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Etriaphahoneybun: I suggest border-radius: 5px on the content regions block element :D00:04
Etriaphahoneybun: Also, will the documentation be provided on mobile using media queries?00:04
ahoneybunnot sure yet00:05
ahoneybunI'm in talk with ovidiu-florin about linking the Docs with the new site and maybe it can look nice on mobile00:05
EtriaphIt would be handy for those having difficulty getting the system configured to be able to walk through documentation on a tablet or mobile device.00:05
ahoneybunI agree there, I'll add a card for it00:08
ahoneybunif we get ebook, pdf support it would be good on the mobile front00:09
* ahoneybun starts Spotify and getting to work00:09
ahoneybunany help with HTML and CSS is always welcome Etriaph :)00:10
valoriewe have ebook integration from the kde wiki00:10
Etriaphahoneybun: I could write a few books.00:10
valoriepdf support as well00:10
valoriethat's how books.kde.org works00:10
ahoneybunvalorie: I've never used it 00:10
Etriaphahoneybun: I'm a web developer by trade.00:11
valoriethe plugin might have to be enabled00:11
ahoneybunyea I think it does00:11
ahoneybunEtriaph: awesome to know00:11
valoriebut I've generated an ebook for the amarok docs00:11
EtriaphIf you have any questions, you can query me and I'll answer as best I can.00:11
ahoneybunEtriaph: thank you very much Etriaph00:11
valorieEtriaph: we have a nice group developing the website here; it would be great to have your input as well00:12
ahoneybunI'll add you to the jsfiddle00:12
ahoneybunyes just ping ovidiu-florin, soee, and myself00:12
Etriaphvalorie: I had originally offered to assist with the website, but I disagree with WordPress.00:12
valorieif canonical IS ever institutes our new site....00:12
valorieah00:12
valorieoriginally meaning back before our SoK student started, or recently?00:13
EtriaphI've put together about 120 wordpress sites over the years, it usually turns into a mess.00:13
valoriebecause the SoK student's work *sucked* imo00:13
EtriaphUh, about 8 months ago.00:13
valoriereboot since then00:13
EtriaphNo one really had a direction for it, that along with it being WordPress = Etriaph Stays Away00:13
Etriaph:D00:13
valorieI'm sure that there are still contributions to be made, but it was looking great last I looked at the testsite00:14
ahoneybunEtriaph: I'm trying not to change the HTML as much as possible since it is built by userbase00:14
valoriepity that Canonical didn't come through for us00:14
ahoneybunhttp://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/00:14
Etriaphahoneybun: Ohh...00:14
ahoneybun?00:15
Etriaphahoneybun: k, lemme take a look at the structure first.00:15
ahoneybunyou see the top left with the prev and next links? I'm trying to move them around00:15
ahoneybunleft to the left, right to the right00:15
ahoneybunEtriaph: #idname, .classname?00:16
EtriaphIf it's uniq, you can position by ID, but depending on the structure of the HTML it may be difficult to do.  Looking at it now.00:17
ahoneybunyea but then have to change it on all the html files00:18
ahoneybunat least 10+00:18
valorieoh gosh, have to eat something and go to my dad's00:22
valoriebbl00:22
Etriaphahoneybun: Sorry, got pulled away, but navCenter is the class that applies00:52
Etriaphahoneybun: You could position anywhere you want.00:52
ahoneybunI've using #footer .nextCell00:52
ahoneybunbut it will not go all the way to the right00:52
Etriaph.navCenter .navigation .nextCell00:53
EtriaphThat's what I would use as my selector.00:53
EtriaphSo .navCenter .navigation .nextCell { /* Styles */ }00:54
EtriaphPrecede it with #content 00:54
ahoneybunthanks 00:55
ahoneybunstill in the center sadly00:56
ahoneybunwell I moved it lol00:57
EtriaphThe trouble is the navigation is in a table.00:58
EtriaphSo the table, and it's cells, have to be width: 100%00:58
EtriaphDo you want a different display for the footer version than at the top of the content?00:59
ahoneybunno both can be the same I believe00:59
ahoneybunRiddell: valorie ovidiu-florin Etriaph http://imgur.com/lkCqDiy00:59
Etriaphahoneybun: Can you show me a shot of it with the lower navigation as well, fully lit up?  ie. Prev Up Next?01:01
ahoneybunEtriaph: aren't you on the jsfiddle?01:02
EtriaphI am.  I'd just rather not fiddle the work; I want to CSS it with Kate01:02
ahoneybunhttp://imgur.com/uV9Dppy01:03
EtriaphOK, lemme fiddle with some of this CSS.  I'm going to use the HTML you have in the fiddle and put my CSS in the fiddle when I'm done.01:06
ahoneybunok01:06
EtriaphThere.01:14
ahoneybunwait01:14
ahoneybunoh01:14
EtriaphTables are as wide as their contents01:14
EtriaphSo .navigation set to width of 100%01:15
ahoneybunI was looking at the kde-docs.css and how they did it01:15
ahoneybunwe might be on different ones since I don't see any changes01:16
EtriaphWell the block element that holds the navigation is free-floating, you can do whatever you want with it now; just remember that tables are only ever as wide as the data they hold.01:16
EtriaphNow we're on the same one.01:17
EtriaphYou'll still have to right-align the text in the .nextCell01:17
ahoneybunworks01:18
ahoneybun:)01:19
EtriaphWhat outputs that HTML?01:20
ahoneybunuserbase.kde.org01:20
ahoneybuna script01:20
ahoneybunask sitter or Riddell01:21
ahoneybunthough there should be a image somewhere on there01:22
ahoneybunhere is the html with the real css01:22
ahoneybunhttp://docs.kubuntu.org/documentation-for-kubuntu.html01:22
EtriaphSo do you provide structure and content, it generates HTML around it?01:22
ahoneybunyea I believe so01:22
ahoneybunit is pulled from here http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu01:23
EtriaphThose templates need to be updated.01:23
EtriaphGoogle is going on a tirade and will soon no longer index sites that aren't responsive.01:24
EtriaphTo mobile, tablet, etc.01:24
EtriaphSo the CSS for the manual is going to have to take that into account; whether or not it deals with the different viewport sizes is its own choice, but the media query has to be there.01:25
EtriaphSo HTML5 + CSS301:25
EtriaphI hope that doesn't scare you away from doing what you're doing :D01:25
ahoneybunthe templates are from KDE upstream01:31
ahoneybunso they have to update them01:31
EtriaphI might update them myself, if they'll take the patches.01:31
EtriaphDo you know which repo they live in?01:32
ahoneybunno clue sadly01:33
EtriaphFor our web site and services, probably should have a look at this:  http://searchengineland.com/google-search-algorithm-adds-mobile-friendly-factors-app-indexing-ranking-21557301:34
EtriaphIt's a concern as of April 2101:34
EtriaphWhat domain is the new site hosted at?01:35
EtriaphOh, found it.01:36
ahoneybunI'm trying to center images01:39
ahoneybunEtriaph: templates is the problem with using someones elses01:41
ahoneybunthey have to change them or let us01:41
EtriaphIs the manual intended to be embedded into userbase.kde.org or elsewhere?01:43
ahoneybunthe docs you mean?01:43
EtriaphYes.01:43
ahoneybunuserbase => kubuntu-docs package => docs.kubuntu.org01:44
ahoneybunI believe01:44
ahoneybuneverything comes from the userbase pages01:44
EtriaphSo they generate a tarball or do we get them individually?01:45
ahoneybunnot sure if it is a tarbal01:45
ahoneybunEtriaph: you have Kubuntu installed?01:46
Etriaph15.04, yes.01:46
ahoneybuninstalled kubuntu-docs?01:46
EtriaphProbably not, one sec...01:46
EtriaphI do now01:46
ahoneybun /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kubuntu/01:47
ahoneybunis where that installs01:47
ahoneybunso userbase exports to a docbook and then a script converts to HTML01:47
EtriaphSo when you repackage it you're just splicing in CSS?01:47
ahoneybunthe KDE site does I think \01:48
EtriaphOK, so that script is likely doing an XSL transformation to HTML01:48
ahoneybunnot sure where it comes from since it is not in or source01:48
EtriaphIf we had the docbook format, we could play with it.01:48
ahoneybunyou it is in the that dir01:49
ahoneybunyou can branch this https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/vivid01:50
ahoneybunas it is the same version as in the repos01:50
EtriaphWell it's just a matter of processing what's there in the docbook format into HTML5.01:52
EtriaphI'd have to write an XSL stylesheet for it then transform; not something I'm going to start today, but something possible down the road :D01:53
ahoneybunbut there you have to do it everytime a new release is out (which is not much really)01:53
ahoneybunyay :D01:53
ahoneybunor for changes made to the userbase page anyway01:53
ahoneybunWe need static pages for each release01:53
EtriaphWell when the manual is updated and you have a new *.docbook, you'd just run the transformer over it.01:54
EtriaphAnd it'll spit out pages.01:54
EtriaphKDE itself has a lot of web technologies that are out of date it seems.01:55
Etriaphwww.kde.org is not responsive to changes in viewport at all.01:56
ahoneybunEtriaph: it would be much easier if we write the docs in HTML and then host it ourselves since we have a server anyway01:56
Etriaphahoneybun: Well, it being in WordPress would make that remarkably easy.01:56
ahoneybunbut HTML is not as easily as MediaWiki01:56
ahoneybunEtriaph: if we merge the WP site with the Docs01:57
ahoneybunI think they should be together as well so they are very easy to find01:57
EtriaphOh, separate domain01:57
ahoneybunyea01:57
ahoneybunatm01:57
ahoneybuncould link it01:57
EtriaphOyy... docs.kubuntu.org is just that?01:57
Etriaph(Not to diminish it, but it's just the manual?)01:58
ahoneybunyea sadly01:58
ahoneybunnot pretty atm01:58
EtriaphNow I'm itching to create a new Rails app just for that :D01:58
EtriaphWho hosts that?01:59
ahoneybunnot sure the host01:59
ahoneybunI think it was donated01:59
ahoneybunhost as in (GoDaddy?)01:59
EtriaphYes01:59
EtriaphWhere is it hosted, hardware, stack?01:59
ahoneybundon't know02:00
ahoneybunRiddell: might02:00
ahoneybunI should stop pinging him lol02:00
EtriaphLOL02:00
EtriaphWho's "in charge" of all of the web parts under Kubuntu.org?02:01
ahoneybunwell he is in charge of Kubuntu as a whole02:02
EtriaphOK.02:02
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: and soee have been working on the new WP02:02
* Etriaph nods02:02
ahoneybunbut Riddell is the one to talk to for that info02:02
EtriaphI tend to shy away from using PHP on the web, these days, as most of the software out there is still old-school PHP5 (in some cases PHP4) format/ideology/compatible.02:03
EtriaphWordPress is one of those.02:03
ahoneybunI'll be heading off for the night.02:03
EtriaphAh, OK02:03
EtriaphSweet dreams :D02:03
ahoneybunits 10pm here02:03
EtriaphI'm in EST too02:04
EtriaphBut I'm up late :D02:04
ahoneybunthanks you too, hopefully you'll be here tomorrow02:04
ahoneybunand join the UOS!02:04
EtriaphI'll be around for sure.02:04
EtriaphTake it easy.02:04
ahoneybunyou too02:04
* ahoneybun is away02:04
valorieahoneybun: a note on that page you showed - if it says Kubuntu [tm] once, it should say it every time (personally, I would leave it off)04:18
valoriebased on the KISS principle04:20
Etriaphsgclark: Are you alive there?04:20
sgclarkhmm?04:20
EtriaphI just got your email re: bugs in 15.04 with backports04:21
EtriaphDo you happen to have an IM client that I could test a message with you with?  All of my contacts are asleep04:21
sgclarkjust need someone using backports to see if they can reproduce04:21
EtriaphYup, I'm doing that.  :D04:22
sgclarkhmm, don't think I set IM back up yet04:22
EtriaphOK04:22
sgclarkoh, ok great04:22
sgclarkEtriaph: thanks!04:22
EtriaphI can only confirm 4.2, I don't understand 4.3 entirely so I can't do much with that one.04:24
EtriaphI'll send a reply to the list, hopefully you can collect more than one report.04:25
sgclarkThank you so much, really appreciated04:26
EtriaphI would bet their installation is just borked.04:28
Etriaphsgclark: np04:33
sgclarkyeah so far I cannot reporduce a single one04:36
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: Always free for open source projects at readthedocs.org.05:26
ovidiu-florinquoted from their website05:26
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: I'd say we should go for readthedocs, it's already done, it's free05:30
* Etriaph sleep &05:34
valoriefree for open source projects does not equal free and open source06:13
shadeslayerScottK: would it be possible to backport Python 2.7.9 into ubuntu-backports?07:17
shadeslayeror would it be way too much work / effort07:17
shadeslayerthe kde sysadmins wanted it07:18
lordievaderGood morning.08:35
sitterRiddell: how would you like to go about kubuntu_wily_archive branches? should we simply branch all of them from where we have vivid_archive or do it on-demand when we upload something new?08:57
Riddellsitter: is it not better to branch from kubuntu_stable ?08:58
sitterRiddell: only if we then do an upload09:00
sitterotherwise that's like on-demand branching anyway, except you do it all at once such that you need to re-merge it anyway once a new version comes out as the archive branch is then outdated compared to stable09:00
sitteranyone knows about this https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?68035-Feedback-on-Kubuntu-15-04&p=371533&viewfull=1#post37153309:03
Riddellsitter: "limitations" is hardly a useful bug report :)09:04
sitterwell, yeah there was no bug report09:05
sitterwhich is a common scheme I see with people whining about the release09:06
sitterthen again since no one triages the bugs anyway, I suppose it is for the best09:06
ngaioI filed a bug report about some 15.04 backport packaging errors. Let me know if I need to add any more details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/145172809:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1451728 in Kubuntu PPA "kde-config-telepathy-accounts package install error" [Undecided,New]09:19
Riddellthanks ngaio that's interesting09:21
Riddellno timeline for when I can get to that I'm afraid09:21
Riddellngaio: have you been able to work around it?09:21
ngaioRiddell, I have no idea how to work around it ;-)09:22
Riddellngaio: sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-engb_4%3a15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa3_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kaccounts-providers_15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_all.deb09:23
Riddellsudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_amd64.deb09:23
Riddellsudo apt -f install09:23
Riddellshould do it09:23
ngaiothanks, I think that did the trick09:26
RiddellI think I'll close bug 145174909:37
ubottubug 1451749 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Wish: provide a way to run kde 4 with vivid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145174909:37
sheytanhey guys09:41
sheytangot this while update to apps 15.04 http://pastebin.com/MRuQhU8v09:41
* Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/05/05/ubuntu-online-summit-ubuntu-community-team-mailing-list/09:43
Riddellsheytan: looking09:43
Riddellsheytan: looks like I missed that, how annying I thought I got all those overlaps09:44
Riddellsheytan: you know how to work around it?09:44
sitter"How is kde-l10n- still a thing?"09:45
sheytanRiddell: well, i just did apt-get upgrade and it's working09:45
Riddellsitter: KDE Applications ships the separated language packs same as KDE SC did09:45
sheytanRiddell: that error was from muon updater09:45
sheytanapt-get upgrade done the job, but why was that?09:45
sheytancan i reboot safely? :D09:46
Riddellsheytan: yep09:46
sitterRiddell: yes, how is that still a thing09:46
* sheytan reboots09:47
Riddellsitter: because that's what the kde release team decided?  where decided means nobody had an opinion so albert got on and did it and you should say thanks09:47
sitterthanks!09:48
* sheytan is back09:50
Riddellsheytan: computer still alive?09:50
sheytanbut where's my 'About system' KCM missing09:50
sheytanRiddell: yeah09:50
Riddellsheytan: it moved to kinfocenter which is where it logically should be but is a bit more hidden alas09:51
sheytanoh :D09:51
sheytanthere it is09:51
sheytanheh, telepathy still sucks with facebook ;/09:53
sheytanit keeps saying my password isin't correct, but it was working09:54
Riddellit's dead now isn't it?09:54
Riddellor just about to be09:54
Riddellmaybe it died on may 1st09:54
sheytanit was fine till yesterday i guess09:54
tsdgeoshttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working09:54
Riddellblame facebook I'm afraid, they withdrew the API09:54
tsdgeosi guess this applies to telepathy too09:54
sheytanthat's what i thought09:54
Riddellthe dark web goes darker, someone should tell the government09:55
sheytancall 911 :D09:55
sheytanor 112 for europe09:56
sheytananyway, this sucks, i was liking it ;/09:56
Riddellit does suck, some people are working on screen scraping messenger.com so hopefully it'll come back09:56
sheytanwhat's more likly, facebook will anncounce messanger for linux09:57
shadeslayerpft09:57
Riddellnever going to happen09:57
shadeslayerwell09:57
sheytani hate that shit, when everybody trys to force you using their tools09:57
shadeslayersheytan: http://messengerfordesktop.com/09:57
sheytanshadeslayer: doesn't it work is xmpp too?09:57
Riddellgood thing in the free software community we all understand the principles of freely distributing and sharing our work09:58
shadeslayersheytan: no09:58
sheytanit is from facebook team or 3rd party?09:58
shadeslayersheytan: it's basically a web browser pointing to the mobile version of messenger.com09:58
shadeslayersheytan: 3rd party09:58
sitterRiddell: so what do we do with wily branches?09:59
sheytancan't you do the same with plasma applet?09:59
shadeslayerpossibly09:59
sheytandolphin still doesn't remember new added places to the sidebar ;/10:00
sheytanshit10:00
Riddellsitter: I've given my suggestion of branching from kubuntu_stable, if you want to branch from kubuntu_vivid_archive and then we'll merge in kubuntu_stable when something is uploaded that works too, it just seems like an extra step10:00
sitterRiddell: stable requires a new upstream release10:01
sitterRiddell: what we could do is branch from backports if backports is available10:01
Riddellsitter: so why ask if you already know the answer you want? :)10:01
sitterbackports just came to mind10:02
sitterRiddell: also FTR I really really really do not like qml files in arch:all datapackages10:04
sitterit feels very naughty to have data recommends: qml-module-yolo, knowing full well that yolo is indeed required for the qml files to work10:04
sitterthis might need some different approach potentially10:05
Riddellsitter: hmm how does other interpreted languages do it?10:13
RiddellScottK: what's python's approach to that? ↑10:13
Riddellsheytan: ngaio uploading 4:15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa4 to backports so fix the issue with overlapping in those packages10:14
ngaioRiddell, thank you10:16
seaLnehas anyone noticed since the vivid app updates that the open file dialog need a double click to go into a folder? for example attatching a file in kmail, dolphin still behaves fine10:26
RiddellseaLne: curious, that was a bug in breeze that should be fixed in plasma10:27
Riddellmaybe the fix didn't make it in time for the backports packages but I did put it in the archive packages10:27
seaLnethis only appeared after rebooting this morining, i have backports ppa enabled10:28
seaLnei'd have never guessed to blaim breeze10:29
Riddellmaybe the bug re-appeared10:29
RiddellseaLne: Qt allows the widget style to set a preference on double click10:29
Riddellanyone on CI able to test it out?10:29
sitterkate file open uses single click10:30
sitter(unstable)10:30
seaLnekate seems fine for me to10:31
Riddellactually I get single click using kate 15.04 from backports ppa10:31
RiddellseaLne: oh it's qt4 is why10:31
Riddellqt5 won't be affected10:31
sitterkmail atttaching indeed is double click10:32
Riddelld_ed: didn't you fix that bug? ↑10:32
tsdgeosRiddell: kate is not qt410:35
Riddelltsdgeos: right that's why we don't see the problem there10:35
tsdgeosok10:35
d_edRiddell: I did ... but for 5.3.110:36
d_edif you can call the qt4 version 5.3.110:36
Riddelloh I see you only pushed it a couple of days ago10:37
sitterRiddell: when exactly10:38
sitterinteresting10:39
sitterjenkins decided to not build breeze-qt410:39
sittereven more intersteing is that according to jenkins it last polled the repo apr 2410:39
Riddell"Git commit aa34eb031e205c6b21bcfe055523ca9be95b8dac by David Edmundson. Committed on 03/05/2015 at 19:29"10:41
Riddellsitter: ↑10:42
BluesKajHiyas all11:22
Riddelld_ed: could you lean on mck a bit here?  we can't co-install kaccounts and gnome accounts which goes against the entire rest of the linux desktop world https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34721911:29
ubottuKDE bug 347219 in accounts-kcm "files overlap with gnome account" [Major,Unconfirmed]11:29
ScottKRiddell: I think that typically the arch all would depend on the arch any extension.  It's not rare in the python world for there to be a fallback pure python (arch all) implementation if the C extension is not available.  In such cases, one might recommend the arch any bit.11:30
ScottKOne sort of example that comes to mind is the ssl module in python itself.11:31
ScottKIf you somehow rip out openssl, it still works, just a lot slower.11:31
soeeRiddell: no info about apps 15.04 on g+ ?12:20
Riddellwho do we interopete with? I'm writing a talk about interoperability and I've got a bunch of topics but I need more https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1reTg2QKRAipyZmsRPb_tPxnSkiwf-aN1nkbpB5n0-Lk/edit?usp=sharing13:03
Sho_interkopete13:04
Quintasanshadeslayer, yofel: Think it would be a good idea to deregister #project-neon and abandon the channel?13:39
shadeslayeryeah13:39
shadeslayerI reckon13:39
shadeslayerwant to do it? :P13:39
QuintasanI'm not sure who registered it in the first place :P13:39
yofelmake it invite only and forward it into here13:39
yofelsitter probably?13:39
sitter[15:42] [Notice] -ChanServ- Channel #project-neon is not registered.13:42
QuintasanHmm, I dropped it13:42
QuintasanI guess a redirect would be better.13:42
QuintasanAw shit, now I can't register it :D13:43
Quintasansitter: Can you make kubotu_ leave #project-neon?13:45
Quintasanshadeslayer: I can't really kick anyone since I locked out myself from the channel by dropping it.13:46
QuintasanNow noone has OP and can't get OPs since it's not registered13:46
sitterkubotu_: part #project-neon13:47
sitterkubotu_: nick kubotu13:47
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shadeslayerheh13:48
shadeslayerQuintasan: fun13:48
Quintasansitter: Thanks.13:48
* sitter rather though he fixed hplip13:53
sitterRiddell: do you have some hp printor in the office?13:53
sitterI fear my test case perhaps was not good enough13:53
Riddellsitter: only a Brother printer14:01
sittersuch a Bother14:09
sitterbadumtss14:09
* sitter heads to the basement in search of a printer14:09
Quintasanshadeslayer or yofel: I need magic irc powers on target channel to set redirects.14:28
QuintasanOr wait, I could give someone here the powers in #project-neon14:28
shadeslayeryeah I think I have magic powers here14:28
shadeslayerif you tell me how to do it14:28
shadeslayeryep14:28
Quintasanjoin #project-neon14:28
QuintasanI'll give you rights14:29
shadeslayerinvite only14:29
shadeslayersuch exclusive14:29
shadeslayerwow14:29
Riddellelite14:29
sitterhplip tray works just fine14:30
Riddellit's compiled right, no skype issue of needing to install i386:sni-qt ?14:31
quintasa1wow14:32
quintasa1such redirects14:32
sitterRiddell: skype is an issue14:32
sitterbut that really is upstream. we can hardly seed half the i386 tooling just so in case the user installs skype they get the sni-qt thing14:32
shadeslayerQuintasan: werks? neat14:32
shadeslayersays invite only for me14:33
Riddellsitter: I think some kubuntu-notification-helper popup is the best we can do there14:33
sitteryeah, I was just about that say that14:33
Riddellit's already on the 15.10 todo14:33
sittertechnically we should be able to craft that via hooks btw14:33
Quintasanshadeslayer: definitely works14:33
shadeslayerokay14:33
shadeslayer*shrug*14:33
sitterhave a package that registers an dpkg interest thingy on usr/bin/skype and if the file appears it creates a hook file that in turn triggers the knh hook stuff14:34
sitterRiddell: problem with all of this is that it would require strings that need to be localized14:34
Riddellyes that would be better14:34
sitterso nothing for vivid14:34
Riddellwell that's ok since k-n-h is now in kubuntu14:35
Riddelloh no I wouldn't expect a backport14:35
sitterRiddell: the hooks are weird xml files :P14:35
sitterl10n would be handled through ubuntu somehow14:35
Riddellwhy do hooks need user facing strings?14:35
Riddellsurely only for command line stuff14:35
sitterthe user needs to run them or at least authorize package installation14:36
sitterdpkg triggers trigger while dpkg is running so we cannot automatically instally sni-qt:i386 at that point (plus that would be highly questionable behavior anyway)14:36
Riddellhmm14:38
shadeslayerdoes anyone remember why we disabled PAM in kwallet14:39
sitterwe didn't14:39
shadeslayeror was it GPG14:39
sittergpg we disabled14:39
shadeslayerah ok14:39
Riddellshadeslayer: pam in kwallet was never ported to kf514:40
sitterpam kwallet was never released even....14:40
shadeslayerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/145174914:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1451749 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Wish: provide a way to run kde 4 with vivid" [Undecided,Won't fix]14:40
shadeslayererm14:40
shadeslayerwrong one14:40
sitterRiddell: you should pick it up in plasma-desktop xD14:40
shadeslayerbug 145186514:40
ubottubug 1451865 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Kwallet is no longer automatically unlocked on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145186514:40
sitterRiddell: eh, plasma release scope14:40
sittershadeslayer: upstream14:40
shadeslayerur upstream14:41
shadeslayerwait ... you are14:41
shadeslayer:P14:41
sitternot of pamkwallet I am not14:41
sitterin fact pamkwallet has no upstream anymore I guess, so there's that14:41
sitterthat other bug though14:42
sitterlike half the stuff seems oddly odd14:42
sitter- Some buttons in system settings do nothing (e.g. Online Accounts -> create -> Google). Why are those buttons there in first place?14:42
sitterthat's kaccounts, we had no kaccounts in vivid, had we?14:42
shadeslayernot that I know of14:42
sitteruh14:42
sitter /home/me/Downloads/kubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso14:42
sitterI have a release iso \o/14:42
shadeslayergood for you14:43
shadeslayerI prefer to use up all of Canonical's bandwidth by Download ISO's over and over again14:43
shadeslayer;)14:43
shadeslayer*downloading14:44
sittervirtualbox killed my system14:46
sitterthat bastard14:46
sittertime to purge it14:46
RiddellBlizzz: is danimo on irc?14:46
sitteroh oh ohoh14:46
shadeslayersitter: you should use VMWare14:46
shadeslayer:P14:46
sitternow hplip is busted14:46
sitterwtf14:46
sittershadeslayer: kvm all the way14:47
BlizzzRiddell: yes, his nick is danimo as well14:47
shadeslayerpft14:47
BlizzzRiddell: for instance on #owncloud-client-dev14:47
RiddellBlizzz: there's another qt update I need to do so I guess I should find time for that14:47
BlizzzRiddell: sounds like a plan14:48
sitterhm14:48
sittererror: option -s not recognized14:48
sitterExec=hp-systray -x14:48
sitternow where did that -s come from Oo14:48
Riddell--session14:49
Riddellis added by ksmserver14:50
shadeslayerdrat sitter quit14:51
sitterhttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/196649393/hplip_3.14.6-1ubuntu1_3.15.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz14:53
sitter-process-events-for-systray.patch14:53
sitteryes well14:53
sitterfuck all of this14:53
sitterI am off14:53
Riddelloh dear14:54
lordievaderDid he throw his keyboard out the window?14:55
shadeslayerheh14:56
shadeslayerno, just time to go home14:56
* shadeslayer will be leaving soon too14:56
ovidiu-florinhello sexy people15:08
* Riddell bats eyelids15:08
Riddellovidiu-florin: any update from sysadmins on the server?15:08
ovidiu-florinRiddell: canonical?15:09
ovidiu-florinno15:09
Riddellhmm, when should we give up on them?15:09
ovidiu-florinI already did15:09
ovidiu-florinI've talked to the main recommended hosting company by Wordpress15:09
ovidiu-florinand I like their offer15:09
ovidiu-florinAlso they have a free hosting option for Non-profits15:10
ovidiu-florinI was to talk with you about this after UOS15:10
ovidiu-florinBlueHost is the company15:10
ovidiu-florinRiddell: can we have a call and help me fill in some info about KDE for the presentation?15:16
Riddellovidiu-florin: not just now I'm afraid I'm busy on busy things and I need to go in an hour15:17
RiddellI'm back about 3 hours later I guess15:17
ovidiu-florinRiddell: let me know when you return15:17
ovidiu-florinRiddell ahoneybun Sick_Rimmit are you around?15:57
Sick_Rimmitovidiu-florin: yES16:33
ovidiu-florinshould we Present 15.04 with or without backports?16:34
ovidiu-florinI'm enclining thouwards with16:35
Sick_RimmitI think we should show it as it comes from the install image16:35
Sick_RimmitThis sets user expectations correctly16:35
Sick_RimmitBetter to under promise and over deliver ;-)16:36
Sick_RimmitI got to go home, now 16:36
Sick_RimmitI'll see you tomorrow. 16:36
Sick_RimmitI'll be here on IRC during the day16:36
Sick_Rimmitttfn16:36
ovidiu-florinI'm enclining thouards with, because this presentation is about Plasma 5 and KF5, not that much about Kubuntu, so we should present the latest and gratest.16:42
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: who will present Plasma 5? you?16:43
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: have you prepared the notes for it?16:43
yofelwhee, wily is open18:10
BluesKajyofel, the repos ?18:20
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: the time is when I'm at work... I'm trying to get out early to be there18:33
EtriaphG'day folks.18:34
ahoneybunhey Etriaph!18:34
ahoneybunholy crap 149 packages to update18:34
EtriaphYup18:34
* Etriaph is crossing his fingers18:35
Etriaph:D18:35
ahoneybunXD18:35
ahoneybunI trust Riddell, sgclark, yofel, sitter and the rest of the great team18:35
ahoneybunI'll bbl18:36
EtriaphNot crossing my fingers due to potential craziness; hoping Dolphin is a KF518:36
Etriaph:D18:36
EtriaphOK, quick reboot18:38
ahoneybunback18:50
ahoneybunaround Etriaph?18:50
sick_rimmithi18:54
KDDAhow did it go ahoneybun?18:54
ahoneybunKDDA: ?18:55
KDDAI thought you went to install packages18:55
ahoneybunoh yea it's fine, have not rebooted yet18:58
KDDAis it 15.04 apps?19:00
ahoneybunyea19:09
BluesKajall is well here after the upgrades , including the kernel 19:19
EtriaphHi19:26
EtriaphSorry ahoneybun, lunchy-type things were going on19:27
ahoneybunits all good19:27
EtriaphWhat do you need?19:27
ahoneybunI broke something on the jsfiddle19:28
EtriaphOK, link 'er up19:30
ahoneybunhttp://jsfiddle.net/guztetgf/1/19:30
EtriaphWhat are you trying to make work?19:31
ahoneybunthe prev and next links being moved19:32
EtriaphSo start with upper nav, where do you want that to go?19:32
EtriaphLike that?19:34
Etriaph.navigation{ width: 100%; }19:34
ahoneybunsorry in a hangout I'll look now19:34
ahoneybunI think your not on the same doc19:34
Etriaphhttp://jsfiddle.net/guztetgf/2/19:35
EtriaphBoth the top and bottom navigation are in a table, tables are only the width of their contents by default.19:35
ahoneybunthat is great!19:36
EtriaphSo if you set their width to 100% of their parent container, they consume the correct area you were expecting19:36
EtriaphAnything else ya need?  :D19:36
ahoneybunEtriaph: check it http://imgur.com/B9eJd6P19:39
EtriaphIt's looking better now.19:40
Etriaph:D19:40
ahoneybunthanks :)19:40
ahoneybunRiddell: ovidiu-florin valorie http://i.imgur.com/B9eJd6P.png19:40
Etriaphahoneybun: You should start thinking about line-height values now.19:42
ahoneybundon't know what that is19:42
EtriaphFor <p> and <h*> elements.19:42
ahoneybunEtriaph: there that wildcards in HTML?19:43
EtriaphLook up the attribute line-height19:43
ahoneybunlike h1 - h2 - h3 = h*19:43
ahoneybunhttp://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_dim_line-height.asp?19:43
EtriaphIt governs double-spacing, single-spacing, spacing at 1.5, for paragraphs, lists, headings19:43
Riddellhola chicos19:44
EtriaphIt makes it easier to read when everything is clearly spaced is all.19:44
Riddell¿que tal?19:44
EtriaphRiddell: Hi :D19:44
ahoneybunwhat do you think Riddell?19:47
Etriaphahoneybun: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS319:47
EtriaphBetter resource.19:47
Riddellahoneybun: of http://i.imgur.com/B9eJd6P.png ?19:48
ahoneybunlots of things I don't know19:48
ahoneybunyea19:48
Riddellget rid of all those stupic TM and (R) signs, makes it hard to read :)19:48
Etriaphahoneybun: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/line-height19:49
ahoneybunthats on the wiki so I'll have to take it off there and then you shoot out a new export19:49
EtriaphTry doing a line-height: 1.5 on P elements and line-height: 1.2 on LI elements.19:50
ahoneybunlooks pretty good19:53
EtriaphOK, that's about the ratio you want.19:55
ahoneybunthanks Etriaph19:55
ovidiu-florinRiddell: are you back?19:55
Etriaphahoneybun: If you tighten it up, reduce it by .4 on both19:55
ahoneybuneven better19:56
EtriaphThen adjust as you desire :D19:56
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: so you have given up on readthedocs?19:57
ahoneybunovidiu-florin: I still have it19:57
ahoneybunbut valorie tells me there is exts for exporting to pdf/ebook in the current setup19:58
ahoneybunplus readthedocs is not as easy for people to edit freely19:58
ahoneybunand has a different markup to learn19:59
ahoneybunI'll keep looking at it myself though19:59
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: have you finished your notes for the presentation?20:00
ahoneybunfinishing touchs for my end20:00
ovidiu-florinAre you using a separate pad? I see no changes on that one20:00
Riddellovidiu-florin: briefly20:01
* ahoneybun always till the end20:01
ahoneybunI have a doc on my pc20:01
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: so are you going to present the Plasma 5 part???20:02
ovidiu-florinyour name is only next to the widgets20:02
ahoneybunque20:02
ovidiu-florinor is rick going to do that?20:02
ahoneybunwhat is that covering?20:02
ahoneybunthe move to Qt5, QML,20:02
ovidiu-florinPlasma 5 features, the thmeme, Kwin20:02
ahoneybunKF5 Frameworks20:02
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: I feel that we have a confusion here on who presents what20:04
ahoneybunhave no clue if rick is going that20:04
ahoneybunI'll write something just in case20:04
ovidiu-florinI've prepared to present about the KDE SC4 -> KF5 stuff20:05
ovidiu-florinand I'm taking notes on the Apps I'm presenting20:05
ovidiu-florinAnd the Conclusion, I think will be a chaos20:06
ovidiu-florinor maybe rick will do that20:06
ahoneybunI have Widgets, Krunner, Amarok, KDE Connect, System Settings, and Muon Discover20:06
ahoneybunI think System Settings should be off as nothing is really really new20:07
ovidiu-florinit is new20:08
ovidiu-florinit's differen't organized20:08
ovidiu-florinahoneybun: I'll be using a virtual machine to present20:09
ahoneybunoh20:09
ovidiu-florinfor several reasons:20:09
ahoneybunI'm on the latest stuff 20:09
ovidiu-florin1. I cahn share only that window and have many other things opened at the same time and people won't see my notes20:10
ovidiu-florin2. It's a stock install, so people will see the same thing when installing Kubuntu20:10
ovidiu-florin3. People don't see my private stuff, links, bookmarks20:11
ahoneybunlink me to the pad please ovidiu-florin20:13
ovidiu-florinhttp://pad.ubuntu.com/plasma5-UOS-201520:13
ahoneybunomg server20:14
ovidiu-florinwhat?20:15
ahoneybunOpenID Authentication Required 20:15
ahoneybunwill not let me login, trying again20:15
ahoneybuncannot login20:16
ahoneybungot it20:16
ahoneybunnvm20:17
EtriaphYa, I can't either.20:18
* ahoneybun has a other monitor to fix ovidiu-florin's issue 120:18
ahoneybunbbl20:18
EtriaphWhat credentials are required for openid authentication with that pad?20:21
ovidiu-florinLaunchpad account20:22
ovidiu-florinit goes thourgh some weird Ubuntu authentication system20:22
EtriaphI have, and am logged in20:22
EtriaphBut I get the message "OpenID Authentication Required"20:23
ovidiu-florinthen you should be able to access the pad20:23
yofelEtriaph: there should be a continue button that sends to to the SSO login20:24
yofel*sends you20:24
vipwcheck if you have ubuntu one account, it will not work20:24
vipwyou've to log in via launchpad account20:25
Etriaphyofel: I am logged in on launchpad, what I see is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/open_id.png20:26
EtriaphOne of those tabs will show you my profile with my name on LP20:26
Etriaphhttps://launchpad.net/~etriaph20:26
yofelhm, I get an auto-redirect to https://login.ubuntu.com/</snip key>/+decide20:27
yofelthe pad *might* be members-only20:27
EtriaphAh, true.20:27
yofelEtriaph: although, can you join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad ?20:29
EtriaphYup20:29
soeeRiddell: when KF 5.9 will be released ?20:29
Etriaphyofel: To confirm, yes I can see that location.20:31
yofelEtriaph: can you see the pad now?20:33
Riddellsoee: last month20:33
soeeRiddell: wrr, *5.10 20:34
yofelwasn't frameworks on a monthly scheudule?20:35
Riddellsoee: on thursday, packagers welcome20:35
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EtriaphNo yofel20:40
yofelhm. Might be members after all then20:40
EtriaphIt's all good yofel.20:40
ovidiu-florinRiddell: please take a look at the KDE stuff at the beginning of http://pad.ubuntu.com/plasma5-UOS-2015, let me know if something is wrong there, or anything that needs to be added20:45
Riddellovidiu-florin: "how KF5 came to existance" is a bit confused20:50
RiddellKF5 is the frameworks20:50
RiddellKDE Frameworks 520:50
RiddellPlasma and Applications are separate20:51
ovidiu-florinRiddell: i DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE STATUS OF MEDIACENTER20:52
ovidiu-florinsorry for the caps20:52
Riddellthat's because it's only been added in plasma 5.320:53
Riddelland it doesn't work too well cos gstreamer 0.10 is old and broken20:53
ovidiu-florinso in 5.3 we have another view like the netbook version in 4? but this time it's Media center?20:53
RiddellTile windows yep20:55
Riddellyep, another view, works on top of plasma desktop or as a standalone for a plug-into-tv setup20:55
RiddellTile windows is not in Plasma 5.3 sorry20:55
ovidiu-florinRiddell: thank you for your feedback20:58
ovidiu-florinI'm off to bed20:58
ovidiu-florinfeel free to add your sugestions :D20:58
* ovidiu-florin ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...................20:58
EtriaphAnyone here played with QtWebKit 3.0?21:17
Riddellit exists?21:17
Riddellsurely it's all qtwebengine now21:18
EtriaphI'm trying to use it, and it doesn't behave as I would expect.21:18
EtriaphOh, I didn't know about WebEngineView21:20
Riddellthat's the replacement21:21
EtriaphHow do I get the lib?21:21
EtriaphQtCreator knows nothing about it.21:21
Etriaphbrb21:24
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ahoneybunovidiu-florin: seeing that we are last on the slot I might not have to leave work early21:30
ahoneybunRiddell: btw the those special TM and R symbols are not on the userbase pages, the export must be putting them there22:05

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