[00:04] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: I suggest border-radius: 5px on the content regions block element :D
[00:04] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Also, will the documentation be provided on mobile using media queries?
[00:05] <ahoneybun> not sure yet
[00:05] <ahoneybun> I'm in talk with ovidiu-florin about linking the Docs with the new site and maybe it can look nice on mobile
[00:05] <Etriaph> It would be handy for those having difficulty getting the system configured to be able to walk through documentation on a tablet or mobile device.
[00:08] <ahoneybun> I agree there, I'll add a card for it
[00:09] <ahoneybun> if we get ebook, pdf support it would be good on the mobile front
[00:09]  * ahoneybun starts Spotify and getting to work
[00:10] <ahoneybun> any help with HTML and CSS is always welcome Etriaph :)
[00:10] <valorie> we have ebook integration from the kde wiki
[00:10] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: I could write a few books.
[00:10] <valorie> pdf support as well
[00:10] <valorie> that's how books.kde.org works
[00:10] <ahoneybun> valorie: I've never used it 
[00:11] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: I'm a web developer by trade.
[00:11] <valorie> the plugin might have to be enabled
[00:11] <ahoneybun> yea I think it does
[00:11] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: awesome to know
[00:11] <valorie> but I've generated an ebook for the amarok docs
[00:11] <Etriaph> If you have any questions, you can query me and I'll answer as best I can.
[00:11] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: thank you very much Etriaph
[00:12] <valorie> Etriaph: we have a nice group developing the website here; it would be great to have your input as well
[00:12] <ahoneybun> I'll add you to the jsfiddle
[00:12] <ahoneybun> yes just ping ovidiu-florin, soee, and myself
[00:12] <Etriaph> valorie: I had originally offered to assist with the website, but I disagree with WordPress.
[00:12] <valorie> if canonical IS ever institutes our new site....
[00:12] <valorie> ah
[00:13] <valorie> originally meaning back before our SoK student started, or recently?
[00:13] <Etriaph> I've put together about 120 wordpress sites over the years, it usually turns into a mess.
[00:13] <valorie> because the SoK student's work *sucked* imo
[00:13] <Etriaph> Uh, about 8 months ago.
[00:13] <valorie> reboot since then
[00:13] <Etriaph> No one really had a direction for it, that along with it being WordPress = Etriaph Stays Away
[00:13] <Etriaph> :D
[00:14] <valorie> I'm sure that there are still contributions to be made, but it was looking great last I looked at the testsite
[00:14] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: I'm trying not to change the HTML as much as possible since it is built by userbase
[00:14] <valorie> pity that Canonical didn't come through for us
[00:14] <ahoneybun> http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[00:14] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Ohh...
[00:15] <ahoneybun> ?
[00:15] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: k, lemme take a look at the structure first.
[00:15] <ahoneybun> you see the top left with the prev and next links? I'm trying to move them around
[00:15] <ahoneybun> left to the left, right to the right
[00:16] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: #idname, .classname?
[00:17] <Etriaph> If it's uniq, you can position by ID, but depending on the structure of the HTML it may be difficult to do.  Looking at it now.
[00:18] <ahoneybun> yea but then have to change it on all the html files
[00:18] <ahoneybun> at least 10+
[00:22] <valorie> oh gosh, have to eat something and go to my dad's
[00:22] <valorie> bbl
[00:52] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Sorry, got pulled away, but navCenter is the class that applies
[00:52] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: You could position anywhere you want.
[00:52] <ahoneybun> I've using #footer .nextCell
[00:52] <ahoneybun> but it will not go all the way to the right
[00:53] <Etriaph> .navCenter .navigation .nextCell
[00:53] <Etriaph> That's what I would use as my selector.
[00:54] <Etriaph> So .navCenter .navigation .nextCell { /* Styles */ }
[00:54] <Etriaph> Precede it with #content 
[00:55] <ahoneybun> thanks 
[00:56] <ahoneybun> still in the center sadly
[00:57] <ahoneybun> well I moved it lol
[00:58] <Etriaph> The trouble is the navigation is in a table.
[00:58] <Etriaph> So the table, and it's cells, have to be width: 100%
[00:59] <Etriaph> Do you want a different display for the footer version than at the top of the content?
[00:59] <ahoneybun> no both can be the same I believe
[00:59] <ahoneybun> Riddell: valorie ovidiu-florin Etriaph http://imgur.com/lkCqDiy
[01:01] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Can you show me a shot of it with the lower navigation as well, fully lit up?  ie. Prev Up Next?
[01:02] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: aren't you on the jsfiddle?
[01:02] <Etriaph> I am.  I'd just rather not fiddle the work; I want to CSS it with Kate
[01:03] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/uV9Dppy
[01:06] <Etriaph> OK, lemme fiddle with some of this CSS.  I'm going to use the HTML you have in the fiddle and put my CSS in the fiddle when I'm done.
[01:06] <ahoneybun> ok
[01:14] <Etriaph> There.
[01:14] <ahoneybun> wait
[01:14] <ahoneybun> oh
[01:14] <Etriaph> Tables are as wide as their contents
[01:15] <Etriaph> So .navigation set to width of 100%
[01:15] <ahoneybun> I was looking at the kde-docs.css and how they did it
[01:16] <ahoneybun> we might be on different ones since I don't see any changes
[01:16] <Etriaph> Well the block element that holds the navigation is free-floating, you can do whatever you want with it now; just remember that tables are only ever as wide as the data they hold.
[01:17] <Etriaph> Now we're on the same one.
[01:17] <Etriaph> You'll still have to right-align the text in the .nextCell
[01:18] <ahoneybun> works
[01:19] <ahoneybun> :)
[01:20] <Etriaph> What outputs that HTML?
[01:20] <ahoneybun> userbase.kde.org
[01:20] <ahoneybun> a script
[01:21] <ahoneybun> ask sitter or Riddell
[01:22] <ahoneybun> though there should be a image somewhere on there
[01:22] <ahoneybun> here is the html with the real css
[01:22] <ahoneybun> http://docs.kubuntu.org/documentation-for-kubuntu.html
[01:22] <Etriaph> So do you provide structure and content, it generates HTML around it?
[01:22] <ahoneybun> yea I believe so
[01:23] <ahoneybun> it is pulled from here http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu
[01:23] <Etriaph> Those templates need to be updated.
[01:24] <Etriaph> Google is going on a tirade and will soon no longer index sites that aren't responsive.
[01:24] <Etriaph> To mobile, tablet, etc.
[01:25] <Etriaph> So the CSS for the manual is going to have to take that into account; whether or not it deals with the different viewport sizes is its own choice, but the media query has to be there.
[01:25] <Etriaph> So HTML5 + CSS3
[01:25] <Etriaph> I hope that doesn't scare you away from doing what you're doing :D
[01:31] <ahoneybun> the templates are from KDE upstream
[01:31] <ahoneybun> so they have to update them
[01:31] <Etriaph> I might update them myself, if they'll take the patches.
[01:32] <Etriaph> Do you know which repo they live in?
[01:33] <ahoneybun> no clue sadly
[01:34] <Etriaph> For our web site and services, probably should have a look at this:  http://searchengineland.com/google-search-algorithm-adds-mobile-friendly-factors-app-indexing-ranking-215573
[01:34] <Etriaph> It's a concern as of April 21
[01:35] <Etriaph> What domain is the new site hosted at?
[01:36] <Etriaph> Oh, found it.
[01:39] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to center images
[01:41] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: templates is the problem with using someones elses
[01:41] <ahoneybun> they have to change them or let us
[01:43] <Etriaph> Is the manual intended to be embedded into userbase.kde.org or elsewhere?
[01:43] <ahoneybun> the docs you mean?
[01:43] <Etriaph> Yes.
[01:44] <ahoneybun> userbase => kubuntu-docs package => docs.kubuntu.org
[01:44] <ahoneybun> I believe
[01:44] <ahoneybun> everything comes from the userbase pages
[01:45] <Etriaph> So they generate a tarball or do we get them individually?
[01:45] <ahoneybun> not sure if it is a tarbal
[01:46] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: you have Kubuntu installed?
[01:46] <Etriaph> 15.04, yes.
[01:46] <ahoneybun> installed kubuntu-docs?
[01:46] <Etriaph> Probably not, one sec...
[01:46] <Etriaph> I do now
[01:47] <ahoneybun>  /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kubuntu/
[01:47] <ahoneybun> is where that installs
[01:47] <ahoneybun> so userbase exports to a docbook and then a script converts to HTML
[01:47] <Etriaph> So when you repackage it you're just splicing in CSS?
[01:48] <ahoneybun> the KDE site does I think \
[01:48] <Etriaph> OK, so that script is likely doing an XSL transformation to HTML
[01:48] <ahoneybun> not sure where it comes from since it is not in or source
[01:48] <Etriaph> If we had the docbook format, we could play with it.
[01:49] <ahoneybun> you it is in the that dir
[01:50] <ahoneybun> you can branch this https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/vivid
[01:50] <ahoneybun> as it is the same version as in the repos
[01:52] <Etriaph> Well it's just a matter of processing what's there in the docbook format into HTML5.
[01:53] <Etriaph> I'd have to write an XSL stylesheet for it then transform; not something I'm going to start today, but something possible down the road :D
[01:53] <ahoneybun> but there you have to do it everytime a new release is out (which is not much really)
[01:53] <ahoneybun> yay :D
[01:53] <ahoneybun> or for changes made to the userbase page anyway
[01:53] <ahoneybun> We need static pages for each release
[01:54] <Etriaph> Well when the manual is updated and you have a new *.docbook, you'd just run the transformer over it.
[01:54] <Etriaph> And it'll spit out pages.
[01:55] <Etriaph> KDE itself has a lot of web technologies that are out of date it seems.
[01:56] <Etriaph> www.kde.org is not responsive to changes in viewport at all.
[01:56] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: it would be much easier if we write the docs in HTML and then host it ourselves since we have a server anyway
[01:56] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Well, it being in WordPress would make that remarkably easy.
[01:56] <ahoneybun> but HTML is not as easily as MediaWiki
[01:57] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: if we merge the WP site with the Docs
[01:57] <ahoneybun> I think they should be together as well so they are very easy to find
[01:57] <Etriaph> Oh, separate domain
[01:57] <ahoneybun> yea
[01:57] <ahoneybun> atm
[01:57] <ahoneybun> could link it
[01:57] <Etriaph> Oyy... docs.kubuntu.org is just that?
[01:58] <Etriaph> (Not to diminish it, but it's just the manual?)
[01:58] <ahoneybun> yea sadly
[01:58] <ahoneybun> not pretty atm
[01:58] <Etriaph> Now I'm itching to create a new Rails app just for that :D
[01:59] <Etriaph> Who hosts that?
[01:59] <ahoneybun> not sure the host
[01:59] <ahoneybun> I think it was donated
[01:59] <ahoneybun> host as in (GoDaddy?)
[01:59] <Etriaph> Yes
[01:59] <Etriaph> Where is it hosted, hardware, stack?
[02:00] <ahoneybun> don't know
[02:00] <ahoneybun> Riddell: might
[02:00] <ahoneybun> I should stop pinging him lol
[02:00] <Etriaph> LOL
[02:01] <Etriaph> Who's "in charge" of all of the web parts under Kubuntu.org?
[02:02] <ahoneybun> well he is in charge of Kubuntu as a whole
[02:02] <Etriaph> OK.
[02:02] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: and soee have been working on the new WP
[02:02]  * Etriaph nods
[02:02] <ahoneybun> but Riddell is the one to talk to for that info
[02:03] <Etriaph> I tend to shy away from using PHP on the web, these days, as most of the software out there is still old-school PHP5 (in some cases PHP4) format/ideology/compatible.
[02:03] <Etriaph> WordPress is one of those.
[02:03] <ahoneybun> I'll be heading off for the night.
[02:03] <Etriaph> Ah, OK
[02:03] <Etriaph> Sweet dreams :D
[02:03] <ahoneybun> its 10pm here
[02:04] <Etriaph> I'm in EST too
[02:04] <Etriaph> But I'm up late :D
[02:04] <ahoneybun> thanks you too, hopefully you'll be here tomorrow
[02:04] <ahoneybun> and join the UOS!
[02:04] <Etriaph> I'll be around for sure.
[02:04] <Etriaph> Take it easy.
[02:04] <ahoneybun> you too
[02:04]  * ahoneybun is away
[04:18] <valorie> ahoneybun: a note on that page you showed - if it says Kubuntu [tm] once, it should say it every time (personally, I would leave it off)
[04:20] <valorie> based on the KISS principle
[04:20] <Etriaph> sgclark: Are you alive there?
[04:20] <sgclark> hmm?
[04:21] <Etriaph> I just got your email re: bugs in 15.04 with backports
[04:21] <Etriaph> Do you happen to have an IM client that I could test a message with you with?  All of my contacts are asleep
[04:21] <sgclark> just need someone using backports to see if they can reproduce
[04:22] <Etriaph> Yup, I'm doing that.  :D
[04:22] <sgclark> hmm, don't think I set IM back up yet
[04:22] <Etriaph> OK
[04:22] <sgclark> oh, ok great
[04:22] <sgclark> Etriaph: thanks!
[04:24] <Etriaph> I can only confirm 4.2, I don't understand 4.3 entirely so I can't do much with that one.
[04:25] <Etriaph> I'll send a reply to the list, hopefully you can collect more than one report.
[04:26] <sgclark> Thank you so much, really appreciated
[04:28] <Etriaph> I would bet their installation is just borked.
[04:33] <Etriaph> sgclark: np
[04:36] <sgclark> yeah so far I cannot reporduce a single one
[05:26] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Always free for open source projects at readthedocs.org.
[05:26] <ovidiu-florin> quoted from their website
[05:30] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I'd say we should go for readthedocs, it's already done, it's free
[05:34]  * Etriaph sleep &
[06:13] <valorie> free for open source projects does not equal free and open source
[07:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: would it be possible to backport Python 2.7.9 into ubuntu-backports?
[07:17] <shadeslayer> or would it be way too much work / effort
[07:18] <shadeslayer> the kde sysadmins wanted it
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:57] <sitter> Riddell: how would you like to go about kubuntu_wily_archive branches? should we simply branch all of them from where we have vivid_archive or do it on-demand when we upload something new?
[08:58] <Riddell> sitter: is it not better to branch from kubuntu_stable ?
[09:00] <sitter> Riddell: only if we then do an upload
[09:00] <sitter> otherwise that's like on-demand branching anyway, except you do it all at once such that you need to re-merge it anyway once a new version comes out as the archive branch is then outdated compared to stable
[09:03] <sitter> anyone knows about this https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?68035-Feedback-on-Kubuntu-15-04&p=371533&viewfull=1#post371533
[09:04] <Riddell> sitter: "limitations" is hardly a useful bug report :)
[09:05] <sitter> well, yeah there was no bug report
[09:06] <sitter> which is a common scheme I see with people whining about the release
[09:06] <sitter> then again since no one triages the bugs anyway, I suppose it is for the best
[09:19] <ngaio> I filed a bug report about some 15.04 backport packaging errors. Let me know if I need to add any more details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1451728
[09:21] <Riddell> thanks ngaio that's interesting
[09:21] <Riddell> no timeline for when I can get to that I'm afraid
[09:21] <Riddell> ngaio: have you been able to work around it?
[09:22] <ngaio> Riddell, I have no idea how to work around it ;-)
[09:23] <Riddell> ngaio: sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-engb_4%3a15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa3_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kaccounts-providers_15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_all.deb
[09:23] <Riddell> sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_amd64.deb
[09:23] <Riddell> sudo apt -f install
[09:23] <Riddell> should do it
[09:26] <ngaio> thanks, I think that did the trick
[09:37] <Riddell> I think I'll close bug 1451749
[09:41] <sheytan> hey guys
[09:41] <sheytan> got this while update to apps 15.04 http://pastebin.com/MRuQhU8v
[09:43]  * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/05/05/ubuntu-online-summit-ubuntu-community-team-mailing-list/
[09:43] <Riddell> sheytan: looking
[09:44] <Riddell> sheytan: looks like I missed that, how annying I thought I got all those overlaps
[09:44] <Riddell> sheytan: you know how to work around it?
[09:45] <sitter> "How is kde-l10n- still a thing?"
[09:45] <sheytan> Riddell: well, i just did apt-get upgrade and it's working
[09:45] <Riddell> sitter: KDE Applications ships the separated language packs same as KDE SC did
[09:45] <sheytan> Riddell: that error was from muon updater
[09:45] <sheytan> apt-get upgrade done the job, but why was that?
[09:46] <sheytan> can i reboot safely? :D
[09:46] <Riddell> sheytan: yep
[09:46] <sitter> Riddell: yes, how is that still a thing
[09:47]  * sheytan reboots
[09:47] <Riddell> sitter: because that's what the kde release team decided?  where decided means nobody had an opinion so albert got on and did it and you should say thanks
[09:48] <sitter> thanks!
[09:50]  * sheytan is back
[09:50] <Riddell> sheytan: computer still alive?
[09:50] <sheytan> but where's my 'About system' KCM missing
[09:50] <sheytan> Riddell: yeah
[09:51] <Riddell> sheytan: it moved to kinfocenter which is where it logically should be but is a bit more hidden alas
[09:51] <sheytan> oh :D
[09:51] <sheytan> there it is
[09:53] <sheytan> heh, telepathy still sucks with facebook ;/
[09:54] <sheytan> it keeps saying my password isin't correct, but it was working
[09:54] <Riddell> it's dead now isn't it?
[09:54] <Riddell> or just about to be
[09:54] <Riddell> maybe it died on may 1st
[09:54] <sheytan> it was fine till yesterday i guess
[09:54] <tsdgeos> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[09:54] <Riddell> blame facebook I'm afraid, they withdrew the API
[09:54] <tsdgeos> i guess this applies to telepathy too
[09:54] <sheytan> that's what i thought
[09:55] <Riddell> the dark web goes darker, someone should tell the government
[09:55] <sheytan> call 911 :D
[09:56] <sheytan> or 112 for europe
[09:56] <sheytan> anyway, this sucks, i was liking it ;/
[09:56] <Riddell> it does suck, some people are working on screen scraping messenger.com so hopefully it'll come back
[09:57] <sheytan> what's more likly, facebook will anncounce messanger for linux
[09:57] <shadeslayer> pft
[09:57] <Riddell> never going to happen
[09:57] <shadeslayer> well
[09:57] <sheytan> i hate that shit, when everybody trys to force you using their tools
[09:57] <shadeslayer> sheytan: http://messengerfordesktop.com/
[09:57] <sheytan> shadeslayer: doesn't it work is xmpp too?
[09:58] <Riddell> good thing in the free software community we all understand the principles of freely distributing and sharing our work
[09:58] <shadeslayer> sheytan: no
[09:58] <sheytan> it is from facebook team or 3rd party?
[09:58] <shadeslayer> sheytan: it's basically a web browser pointing to the mobile version of messenger.com
[09:58] <shadeslayer> sheytan: 3rd party
[09:59] <sitter> Riddell: so what do we do with wily branches?
[09:59] <sheytan> can't you do the same with plasma applet?
[09:59] <shadeslayer> possibly
[10:00] <sheytan> dolphin still doesn't remember new added places to the sidebar ;/
[10:00] <sheytan> shit
[10:00] <Riddell> sitter: I've given my suggestion of branching from kubuntu_stable, if you want to branch from kubuntu_vivid_archive and then we'll merge in kubuntu_stable when something is uploaded that works too, it just seems like an extra step
[10:01] <sitter> Riddell: stable requires a new upstream release
[10:01] <sitter> Riddell: what we could do is branch from backports if backports is available
[10:01] <Riddell> sitter: so why ask if you already know the answer you want? :)
[10:02] <sitter> backports just came to mind
[10:04] <sitter> Riddell: also FTR I really really really do not like qml files in arch:all datapackages
[10:04] <sitter> it feels very naughty to have data recommends: qml-module-yolo, knowing full well that yolo is indeed required for the qml files to work
[10:05] <sitter> this might need some different approach potentially
[10:13] <Riddell> sitter: hmm how does other interpreted languages do it?
[10:13] <Riddell> ScottK: what's python's approach to that? ↑
[10:14] <Riddell> sheytan: ngaio uploading 4:15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa4 to backports so fix the issue with overlapping in those packages
[10:16] <ngaio> Riddell, thank you
[10:26] <seaLne> has anyone noticed since the vivid app updates that the open file dialog need a double click to go into a folder? for example attatching a file in kmail, dolphin still behaves fine
[10:27] <Riddell> seaLne: curious, that was a bug in breeze that should be fixed in plasma
[10:27] <Riddell> maybe the fix didn't make it in time for the backports packages but I did put it in the archive packages
[10:28] <seaLne> this only appeared after rebooting this morining, i have backports ppa enabled
[10:29] <seaLne> i'd have never guessed to blaim breeze
[10:29] <Riddell> maybe the bug re-appeared
[10:29] <Riddell> seaLne: Qt allows the widget style to set a preference on double click
[10:29] <Riddell> anyone on CI able to test it out?
[10:30] <sitter> kate file open uses single click
[10:30] <sitter> (unstable)
[10:31] <seaLne> kate seems fine for me to
[10:31] <Riddell> actually I get single click using kate 15.04 from backports ppa
[10:31] <Riddell> seaLne: oh it's qt4 is why
[10:31] <Riddell> qt5 won't be affected
[10:32] <sitter> kmail atttaching indeed is double click
[10:32] <Riddell> d_ed: didn't you fix that bug? ↑
[10:35] <tsdgeos> Riddell: kate is not qt4
[10:35] <Riddell> tsdgeos: right that's why we don't see the problem there
[10:35] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:36] <d_ed> Riddell: I did ... but for 5.3.1
[10:36] <d_ed> if you can call the qt4 version 5.3.1
[10:37] <Riddell> oh I see you only pushed it a couple of days ago
[10:38] <sitter> Riddell: when exactly
[10:39] <sitter> interesting
[10:39] <sitter> jenkins decided to not build breeze-qt4
[10:39] <sitter> even more intersteing is that according to jenkins it last polled the repo apr 24
[10:41] <Riddell> "Git commit aa34eb031e205c6b21bcfe055523ca9be95b8dac by David Edmundson. Committed on 03/05/2015 at 19:29"
[10:42] <Riddell> sitter: ↑
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:29] <Riddell> d_ed: could you lean on mck a bit here?  we can't co-install kaccounts and gnome accounts which goes against the entire rest of the linux desktop world https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347219
[11:30] <ScottK> Riddell: I think that typically the arch all would depend on the arch any extension.  It's not rare in the python world for there to be a fallback pure python (arch all) implementation if the C extension is not available.  In such cases, one might recommend the arch any bit.
[11:31] <ScottK> One sort of example that comes to mind is the ssl module in python itself.
[11:31] <ScottK> If you somehow rip out openssl, it still works, just a lot slower.
[12:20] <soee> Riddell: no info about apps 15.04 on g+ ?
[13:03] <Riddell> who do we interopete with? I'm writing a talk about interoperability and I've got a bunch of topics but I need more https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1reTg2QKRAipyZmsRPb_tPxnSkiwf-aN1nkbpB5n0-Lk/edit?usp=sharing
[13:04] <Sho_> interkopete
[13:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: Think it would be a good idea to deregister #project-neon and abandon the channel?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:39] <shadeslayer> I reckon
[13:39] <shadeslayer> want to do it? :P
[13:39] <Quintasan> I'm not sure who registered it in the first place :P
[13:39] <yofel> make it invite only and forward it into here
[13:39] <yofel> sitter probably?
[13:42] <sitter> [15:42] [Notice] -ChanServ- Channel #project-neon is not registered.
[13:42] <Quintasan> Hmm, I dropped it
[13:42] <Quintasan> I guess a redirect would be better.
[13:43] <Quintasan> Aw shit, now I can't register it :D
[13:45] <Quintasan> sitter: Can you make kubotu_ leave #project-neon?
[13:46] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I can't really kick anyone since I locked out myself from the channel by dropping it.
[13:46] <Quintasan> Now noone has OP and can't get OPs since it's not registered
[13:47] <sitter> kubotu_: part #project-neon
[13:47] <sitter> kubotu_: nick kubotu
[13:48] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: fun
[13:48] <Quintasan> sitter: Thanks.
[13:53]  * sitter rather though he fixed hplip
[13:53] <sitter> Riddell: do you have some hp printor in the office?
[13:53] <sitter> I fear my test case perhaps was not good enough
[14:01] <Riddell> sitter: only a Brother printer
[14:09] <sitter> such a Bother
[14:09] <sitter> badumtss
[14:09]  * sitter heads to the basement in search of a printer
[14:28] <Quintasan> shadeslayer or yofel: I need magic irc powers on target channel to set redirects.
[14:28] <Quintasan> Or wait, I could give someone here the powers in #project-neon
[14:28] <shadeslayer> yeah I think I have magic powers here
[14:28] <shadeslayer> if you tell me how to do it
[14:28] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:28] <Quintasan> join #project-neon
[14:29] <Quintasan> I'll give you rights
[14:29] <shadeslayer> invite only
[14:29] <shadeslayer> such exclusive
[14:29] <shadeslayer> wow
[14:29] <Riddell> elite
[14:30] <sitter> hplip tray works just fine
[14:31] <Riddell> it's compiled right, no skype issue of needing to install i386:sni-qt ?
[14:32] <quintasa1> wow
[14:32] <quintasa1> such redirects
[14:32] <sitter> Riddell: skype is an issue
[14:32] <sitter> but that really is upstream. we can hardly seed half the i386 tooling just so in case the user installs skype they get the sni-qt thing
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: werks? neat
[14:33] <shadeslayer> says invite only for me
[14:33] <Riddell> sitter: I think some kubuntu-notification-helper popup is the best we can do there
[14:33] <sitter> yeah, I was just about that say that
[14:33] <Riddell> it's already on the 15.10 todo
[14:33] <sitter> technically we should be able to craft that via hooks btw
[14:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: definitely works
[14:33] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:33] <shadeslayer> *shrug*
[14:34] <sitter> have a package that registers an dpkg interest thingy on usr/bin/skype and if the file appears it creates a hook file that in turn triggers the knh hook stuff
[14:34] <sitter> Riddell: problem with all of this is that it would require strings that need to be localized
[14:34] <Riddell> yes that would be better
[14:34] <sitter> so nothing for vivid
[14:35] <Riddell> well that's ok since k-n-h is now in kubuntu
[14:35] <Riddell> oh no I wouldn't expect a backport
[14:35] <sitter> Riddell: the hooks are weird xml files :P
[14:35] <sitter> l10n would be handled through ubuntu somehow
[14:35] <Riddell> why do hooks need user facing strings?
[14:35] <Riddell> surely only for command line stuff
[14:36] <sitter> the user needs to run them or at least authorize package installation
[14:36] <sitter> dpkg triggers trigger while dpkg is running so we cannot automatically instally sni-qt:i386 at that point (plus that would be highly questionable behavior anyway)
[14:38] <Riddell> hmm
[14:39] <shadeslayer> does anyone remember why we disabled PAM in kwallet
[14:39] <sitter> we didn't
[14:39] <shadeslayer> or was it GPG
[14:39] <sitter> gpg we disabled
[14:39] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[14:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pam in kwallet was never ported to kf5
[14:40] <sitter> pam kwallet was never released even....
[14:40] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1451749
[14:40] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:40] <shadeslayer> wrong one
[14:40] <sitter> Riddell: you should pick it up in plasma-desktop xD
[14:40] <shadeslayer> bug 1451865
[14:40] <sitter> Riddell: eh, plasma release scope
[14:40] <sitter> shadeslayer: upstream
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ur upstream
[14:41] <shadeslayer> wait ... you are
[14:41] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:41] <sitter> not of pamkwallet I am not
[14:41] <sitter> in fact pamkwallet has no upstream anymore I guess, so there's that
[14:42] <sitter> that other bug though
[14:42] <sitter> like half the stuff seems oddly odd
[14:42] <sitter> - Some buttons in system settings do nothing (e.g. Online Accounts -> create -> Google). Why are those buttons there in first place?
[14:42] <sitter> that's kaccounts, we had no kaccounts in vivid, had we?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> not that I know of
[14:42] <sitter> uh
[14:42] <sitter>  /home/me/Downloads/kubuntu-15.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:42] <sitter> I have a release iso \o/
[14:43] <shadeslayer> good for you
[14:43] <shadeslayer> I prefer to use up all of Canonical's bandwidth by Download ISO's over and over again
[14:43] <shadeslayer> ;)
[14:44] <shadeslayer> *downloading
[14:46] <sitter> virtualbox killed my system
[14:46] <sitter> that bastard
[14:46] <sitter> time to purge it
[14:46] <Riddell> Blizzz: is danimo on irc?
[14:46] <sitter> oh oh ohoh
[14:46] <shadeslayer> sitter: you should use VMWare
[14:46] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:46] <sitter> now hplip is busted
[14:46] <sitter> wtf
[14:47] <sitter> shadeslayer: kvm all the way
[14:47] <Blizzz> Riddell: yes, his nick is danimo as well
[14:47] <shadeslayer> pft
[14:47] <Blizzz> Riddell: for instance on #owncloud-client-dev
[14:47] <Riddell> Blizzz: there's another qt update I need to do so I guess I should find time for that
[14:48] <Blizzz> Riddell: sounds like a plan
[14:48] <sitter> hm
[14:48] <sitter> error: option -s not recognized
[14:48] <sitter> Exec=hp-systray -x
[14:48] <sitter> now where did that -s come from Oo
[14:49] <Riddell> --session
[14:50] <Riddell> is added by ksmserver
[14:51] <shadeslayer> drat sitter quit
[14:53] <sitter> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/196649393/hplip_3.14.6-1ubuntu1_3.15.2-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[14:53] <sitter> -process-events-for-systray.patch
[14:53] <sitter> yes well
[14:53] <sitter> fuck all of this
[14:53] <sitter> I am off
[14:54] <Riddell> oh dear
[14:55] <lordievader> Did he throw his keyboard out the window?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:56] <shadeslayer> no, just time to go home
[14:56]  * shadeslayer will be leaving soon too
[15:08] <ovidiu-florin> hello sexy people
[15:08]  * Riddell bats eyelids
[15:08] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: any update from sysadmins on the server?
[15:09] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: canonical?
[15:09] <ovidiu-florin> no
[15:09] <Riddell> hmm, when should we give up on them?
[15:09] <ovidiu-florin> I already did
[15:09] <ovidiu-florin> I've talked to the main recommended hosting company by Wordpress
[15:09] <ovidiu-florin> and I like their offer
[15:10] <ovidiu-florin> Also they have a free hosting option for Non-profits
[15:10] <ovidiu-florin> I was to talk with you about this after UOS
[15:10] <ovidiu-florin> BlueHost is the company
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: can we have a call and help me fill in some info about KDE for the presentation?
[15:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: not just now I'm afraid I'm busy on busy things and I need to go in an hour
[15:17] <Riddell> I'm back about 3 hours later I guess
[15:17] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: let me know when you return
[15:57] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell ahoneybun Sick_Rimmit are you around?
[16:33] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: yES
[16:34] <ovidiu-florin> should we Present 15.04 with or without backports?
[16:35] <ovidiu-florin> I'm enclining thouwards with
[16:35] <Sick_Rimmit> I think we should show it as it comes from the install image
[16:35] <Sick_Rimmit> This sets user expectations correctly
[16:36] <Sick_Rimmit> Better to under promise and over deliver ;-)
[16:36] <Sick_Rimmit> I got to go home, now 
[16:36] <Sick_Rimmit> I'll see you tomorrow. 
[16:36] <Sick_Rimmit> I'll be here on IRC during the day
[16:36] <Sick_Rimmit> ttfn
[16:42] <ovidiu-florin> I'm enclining thouards with, because this presentation is about Plasma 5 and KF5, not that much about Kubuntu, so we should present the latest and gratest.
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: who will present Plasma 5? you?
[16:43] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: have you prepared the notes for it?
[18:10] <yofel> whee, wily is open
[18:20] <BluesKaj> yofel, the repos ?
[18:33] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: the time is when I'm at work... I'm trying to get out early to be there
[18:34] <Etriaph> G'day folks.
[18:34] <ahoneybun> hey Etriaph!
[18:34] <ahoneybun> holy crap 149 packages to update
[18:34] <Etriaph> Yup
[18:35]  * Etriaph is crossing his fingers
[18:35] <Etriaph> :D
[18:35] <ahoneybun> XD
[18:35] <ahoneybun> I trust Riddell, sgclark, yofel, sitter and the rest of the great team
[18:36] <ahoneybun> I'll bbl
[18:36] <Etriaph> Not crossing my fingers due to potential craziness; hoping Dolphin is a KF5
[18:36] <Etriaph> :D
[18:38] <Etriaph> OK, quick reboot
[18:50] <ahoneybun> back
[18:50] <ahoneybun> around Etriaph?
[18:54] <sick_rimmit> hi
[18:54] <KDDA> how did it go ahoneybun?
[18:55] <ahoneybun> KDDA: ?
[18:55] <KDDA> I thought you went to install packages
[18:58] <ahoneybun> oh yea it's fine, have not rebooted yet
[19:00] <KDDA> is it 15.04 apps?
[19:09] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:19] <BluesKaj> all is well here after the upgrades , including the kernel 
[19:26] <Etriaph> Hi
[19:27] <Etriaph> Sorry ahoneybun, lunchy-type things were going on
[19:27] <ahoneybun> its all good
[19:27] <Etriaph> What do you need?
[19:28] <ahoneybun> I broke something on the jsfiddle
[19:30] <Etriaph> OK, link 'er up
[19:30] <ahoneybun> http://jsfiddle.net/guztetgf/1/
[19:31] <Etriaph> What are you trying to make work?
[19:32] <ahoneybun> the prev and next links being moved
[19:32] <Etriaph> So start with upper nav, where do you want that to go?
[19:34] <Etriaph> Like that?
[19:34] <Etriaph> .navigation{ width: 100%; }
[19:34] <ahoneybun> sorry in a hangout I'll look now
[19:34] <ahoneybun> I think your not on the same doc
[19:35] <Etriaph> http://jsfiddle.net/guztetgf/2/
[19:35] <Etriaph> Both the top and bottom navigation are in a table, tables are only the width of their contents by default.
[19:36] <ahoneybun> that is great!
[19:36] <Etriaph> So if you set their width to 100% of their parent container, they consume the correct area you were expecting
[19:36] <Etriaph> Anything else ya need?  :D
[19:39] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: check it http://imgur.com/B9eJd6P
[19:40] <Etriaph> It's looking better now.
[19:40] <Etriaph> :D
[19:40] <ahoneybun> thanks :)
[19:40] <ahoneybun> Riddell: ovidiu-florin valorie http://i.imgur.com/B9eJd6P.png
[19:42] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: You should start thinking about line-height values now.
[19:42] <ahoneybun> don't know what that is
[19:42] <Etriaph> For <p> and <h*> elements.
[19:43] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: there that wildcards in HTML?
[19:43] <Etriaph> Look up the attribute line-height
[19:43] <ahoneybun> like h1 - h2 - h3 = h*
[19:43] <ahoneybun> http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_dim_line-height.asp?
[19:43] <Etriaph> It governs double-spacing, single-spacing, spacing at 1.5, for paragraphs, lists, headings
[19:44] <Riddell> hola chicos
[19:44] <Etriaph> It makes it easier to read when everything is clearly spaced is all.
[19:44] <Riddell> ¿que tal?
[19:44] <Etriaph> Riddell: Hi :D
[19:47] <ahoneybun> what do you think Riddell?
[19:47] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS3
[19:47] <Etriaph> Better resource.
[19:48] <Riddell> ahoneybun: of http://i.imgur.com/B9eJd6P.png ?
[19:48] <ahoneybun> lots of things I don't know
[19:48] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:48] <Riddell> get rid of all those stupic TM and (R) signs, makes it hard to read :)
[19:49] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/line-height
[19:49] <ahoneybun> thats on the wiki so I'll have to take it off there and then you shoot out a new export
[19:50] <Etriaph> Try doing a line-height: 1.5 on P elements and line-height: 1.2 on LI elements.
[19:53] <ahoneybun> looks pretty good
[19:55] <Etriaph> OK, that's about the ratio you want.
[19:55] <ahoneybun> thanks Etriaph
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you back?
[19:55] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: If you tighten it up, reduce it by .4 on both
[19:56] <ahoneybun> even better
[19:56] <Etriaph> Then adjust as you desire :D
[19:57] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: so you have given up on readthedocs?
[19:57] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I still have it
[19:58] <ahoneybun> but valorie tells me there is exts for exporting to pdf/ebook in the current setup
[19:58] <ahoneybun> plus readthedocs is not as easy for people to edit freely
[19:59] <ahoneybun> and has a different markup to learn
[19:59] <ahoneybun> I'll keep looking at it myself though
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: have you finished your notes for the presentation?
[20:00] <ahoneybun> finishing touchs for my end
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> Are you using a separate pad? I see no changes on that one
[20:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: briefly
[20:01]  * ahoneybun always till the end
[20:01] <ahoneybun> I have a doc on my pc
[20:02] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: so are you going to present the Plasma 5 part???
[20:02] <ovidiu-florin> your name is only next to the widgets
[20:02] <ahoneybun> que
[20:02] <ovidiu-florin> or is rick going to do that?
[20:02] <ahoneybun> what is that covering?
[20:02] <ahoneybun> the move to Qt5, QML,
[20:02] <ovidiu-florin> Plasma 5 features, the thmeme, Kwin
[20:02] <ahoneybun> KF5 Frameworks
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I feel that we have a confusion here on who presents what
[20:04] <ahoneybun> have no clue if rick is going that
[20:04] <ahoneybun> I'll write something just in case
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> I've prepared to present about the KDE SC4 -> KF5 stuff
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> and I'm taking notes on the Apps I'm presenting
[20:06] <ovidiu-florin> And the Conclusion, I think will be a chaos
[20:06] <ovidiu-florin> or maybe rick will do that
[20:06] <ahoneybun> I have Widgets, Krunner, Amarok, KDE Connect, System Settings, and Muon Discover
[20:07] <ahoneybun> I think System Settings should be off as nothing is really really new
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> it is new
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> it's differen't organized
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I'll be using a virtual machine to present
[20:09] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> for several reasons:
[20:09] <ahoneybun> I'm on the latest stuff 
[20:10] <ovidiu-florin> 1. I cahn share only that window and have many other things opened at the same time and people won't see my notes
[20:10] <ovidiu-florin> 2. It's a stock install, so people will see the same thing when installing Kubuntu
[20:11] <ovidiu-florin> 3. People don't see my private stuff, links, bookmarks
[20:13] <ahoneybun> link me to the pad please ovidiu-florin
[20:13] <ovidiu-florin> http://pad.ubuntu.com/plasma5-UOS-2015
[20:14] <ahoneybun> omg server
[20:15] <ovidiu-florin> what?
[20:15] <ahoneybun> OpenID Authentication Required 
[20:15] <ahoneybun> will not let me login, trying again
[20:16] <ahoneybun> cannot login
[20:16] <ahoneybun> got it
[20:17] <ahoneybun> nvm
[20:18] <Etriaph> Ya, I can't either.
[20:18]  * ahoneybun has a other monitor to fix ovidiu-florin's issue 1
[20:18] <ahoneybun> bbl
[20:21] <Etriaph> What credentials are required for openid authentication with that pad?
[20:22] <ovidiu-florin> Launchpad account
[20:22] <ovidiu-florin> it goes thourgh some weird Ubuntu authentication system
[20:22] <Etriaph> I have, and am logged in
[20:23] <Etriaph> But I get the message "OpenID Authentication Required"
[20:23] <ovidiu-florin> then you should be able to access the pad
[20:24] <yofel> Etriaph: there should be a continue button that sends to to the SSO login
[20:24] <yofel> *sends you
[20:24] <vipw> check if you have ubuntu one account, it will not work
[20:25] <vipw> you've to log in via launchpad account
[20:26] <Etriaph> yofel: I am logged in on launchpad, what I see is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1422687/open_id.png
[20:26] <Etriaph> One of those tabs will show you my profile with my name on LP
[20:26] <Etriaph> https://launchpad.net/~etriaph
[20:27] <yofel> hm, I get an auto-redirect to https://login.ubuntu.com/</snip key>/+decide
[20:27] <yofel> the pad *might* be members-only
[20:27] <Etriaph> Ah, true.
[20:29] <yofel> Etriaph: although, can you join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad ?
[20:29] <Etriaph> Yup
[20:29] <soee> Riddell: when KF 5.9 will be released ?
[20:31] <Etriaph> yofel: To confirm, yes I can see that location.
[20:33] <yofel> Etriaph: can you see the pad now?
[20:33] <Riddell> soee: last month
[20:34] <soee> Riddell: wrr, *5.10 
[20:35] <yofel> wasn't frameworks on a monthly scheudule?
[20:35] <Riddell> soee: on thursday, packagers welcome
[20:40] <Etriaph> No yofel
[20:40] <yofel> hm. Might be members after all then
[20:40] <Etriaph> It's all good yofel.
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: please take a look at the KDE stuff at the beginning of http://pad.ubuntu.com/plasma5-UOS-2015, let me know if something is wrong there, or anything that needs to be added
[20:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: "how KF5 came to existance" is a bit confused
[20:50] <Riddell> KF5 is the frameworks
[20:50] <Riddell> KDE Frameworks 5
[20:51] <Riddell> Plasma and Applications are separate
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: i DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE STATUS OF MEDIACENTER
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> sorry for the caps
[20:53] <Riddell> that's because it's only been added in plasma 5.3
[20:53] <Riddell> and it doesn't work too well cos gstreamer 0.10 is old and broken
[20:53] <ovidiu-florin> so in 5.3 we have another view like the netbook version in 4? but this time it's Media center?
[20:55] <Riddell> Tile windows yep
[20:55] <Riddell> yep, another view, works on top of plasma desktop or as a standalone for a plug-into-tv setup
[20:55] <Riddell> Tile windows is not in Plasma 5.3 sorry
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thank you for your feedback
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> feel free to add your sugestions :D
[20:58]  * ovidiu-florin ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...................
[21:17] <Etriaph> Anyone here played with QtWebKit 3.0?
[21:17] <Riddell> it exists?
[21:18] <Riddell> surely it's all qtwebengine now
[21:18] <Etriaph> I'm trying to use it, and it doesn't behave as I would expect.
[21:20] <Etriaph> Oh, I didn't know about WebEngineView
[21:21] <Riddell> that's the replacement
[21:21] <Etriaph> How do I get the lib?
[21:21] <Etriaph> QtCreator knows nothing about it.
[21:24] <Etriaph> brb
[21:30] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: seeing that we are last on the slot I might not have to leave work early
[22:05] <ahoneybun> Riddell: btw the those special TM and R symbols are not on the userbase pages, the export must be putting them there