[00:04] ahoneybun: I suggest border-radius: 5px on the content regions block element :D [00:04] ahoneybun: Also, will the documentation be provided on mobile using media queries? [00:05] not sure yet [00:05] I'm in talk with ovidiu-florin about linking the Docs with the new site and maybe it can look nice on mobile [00:05] It would be handy for those having difficulty getting the system configured to be able to walk through documentation on a tablet or mobile device. [00:08] I agree there, I'll add a card for it [00:09] if we get ebook, pdf support it would be good on the mobile front [00:09] * ahoneybun starts Spotify and getting to work [00:10] any help with HTML and CSS is always welcome Etriaph :) [00:10] we have ebook integration from the kde wiki [00:10] ahoneybun: I could write a few books. [00:10] pdf support as well [00:10] that's how books.kde.org works [00:10] valorie: I've never used it [00:11] ahoneybun: I'm a web developer by trade. [00:11] the plugin might have to be enabled [00:11] yea I think it does [00:11] Etriaph: awesome to know [00:11] but I've generated an ebook for the amarok docs [00:11] If you have any questions, you can query me and I'll answer as best I can. [00:11] Etriaph: thank you very much Etriaph [00:12] Etriaph: we have a nice group developing the website here; it would be great to have your input as well [00:12] I'll add you to the jsfiddle [00:12] yes just ping ovidiu-florin, soee, and myself [00:12] valorie: I had originally offered to assist with the website, but I disagree with WordPress. [00:12] if canonical IS ever institutes our new site.... [00:12] ah [00:13] originally meaning back before our SoK student started, or recently? [00:13] I've put together about 120 wordpress sites over the years, it usually turns into a mess. [00:13] because the SoK student's work *sucked* imo [00:13] Uh, about 8 months ago. [00:13] reboot since then [00:13] No one really had a direction for it, that along with it being WordPress = Etriaph Stays Away [00:13] :D [00:14] I'm sure that there are still contributions to be made, but it was looking great last I looked at the testsite [00:14] Etriaph: I'm trying not to change the HTML as much as possible since it is built by userbase [00:14] pity that Canonical didn't come through for us [00:14] http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/ [00:14] ahoneybun: Ohh... [00:15] ? [00:15] ahoneybun: k, lemme take a look at the structure first. [00:15] you see the top left with the prev and next links? I'm trying to move them around [00:15] left to the left, right to the right [00:16] Etriaph: #idname, .classname? [00:17] If it's uniq, you can position by ID, but depending on the structure of the HTML it may be difficult to do. Looking at it now. [00:18] yea but then have to change it on all the html files [00:18] at least 10+ [00:22] oh gosh, have to eat something and go to my dad's [00:22] bbl [00:52] ahoneybun: Sorry, got pulled away, but navCenter is the class that applies [00:52] ahoneybun: You could position anywhere you want. [00:52] I've using #footer .nextCell [00:52] but it will not go all the way to the right [00:53] .navCenter .navigation .nextCell [00:53] That's what I would use as my selector. [00:54] So .navCenter .navigation .nextCell { /* Styles */ } [00:54] Precede it with #content [00:55] thanks [00:56] still in the center sadly [00:57] well I moved it lol [00:58] The trouble is the navigation is in a table. [00:58] So the table, and it's cells, have to be width: 100% [00:59] Do you want a different display for the footer version than at the top of the content? [00:59] no both can be the same I believe [00:59] Riddell: valorie ovidiu-florin Etriaph http://imgur.com/lkCqDiy [01:01] ahoneybun: Can you show me a shot of it with the lower navigation as well, fully lit up? ie. Prev Up Next? [01:02] Etriaph: aren't you on the jsfiddle? [01:02] I am. I'd just rather not fiddle the work; I want to CSS it with Kate [01:03] http://imgur.com/uV9Dppy [01:06] OK, lemme fiddle with some of this CSS. I'm going to use the HTML you have in the fiddle and put my CSS in the fiddle when I'm done. [01:06] ok [01:14] There. [01:14] wait [01:14] oh [01:14] Tables are as wide as their contents [01:15] So .navigation set to width of 100% [01:15] I was looking at the kde-docs.css and how they did it [01:16] we might be on different ones since I don't see any changes [01:16] Well the block element that holds the navigation is free-floating, you can do whatever you want with it now; just remember that tables are only ever as wide as the data they hold. [01:17] Now we're on the same one. [01:17] You'll still have to right-align the text in the .nextCell [01:18] works [01:19] :) [01:20] What outputs that HTML? [01:20] userbase.kde.org [01:20] a script [01:21] ask sitter or Riddell [01:22] though there should be a image somewhere on there [01:22] here is the html with the real css [01:22] http://docs.kubuntu.org/documentation-for-kubuntu.html [01:22] So do you provide structure and content, it generates HTML around it? [01:22] yea I believe so [01:23] it is pulled from here http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu [01:23] Those templates need to be updated. [01:24] Google is going on a tirade and will soon no longer index sites that aren't responsive. [01:24] To mobile, tablet, etc. [01:25] So the CSS for the manual is going to have to take that into account; whether or not it deals with the different viewport sizes is its own choice, but the media query has to be there. [01:25] So HTML5 + CSS3 [01:25] I hope that doesn't scare you away from doing what you're doing :D [01:31] the templates are from KDE upstream [01:31] so they have to update them [01:31] I might update them myself, if they'll take the patches. [01:32] Do you know which repo they live in? [01:33] no clue sadly [01:34] For our web site and services, probably should have a look at this: http://searchengineland.com/google-search-algorithm-adds-mobile-friendly-factors-app-indexing-ranking-215573 [01:34] It's a concern as of April 21 [01:35] What domain is the new site hosted at? [01:36] Oh, found it. [01:39] I'm trying to center images [01:41] Etriaph: templates is the problem with using someones elses [01:41] they have to change them or let us [01:43] Is the manual intended to be embedded into userbase.kde.org or elsewhere? [01:43] the docs you mean? [01:43] Yes. [01:44] userbase => kubuntu-docs package => docs.kubuntu.org [01:44] I believe [01:44] everything comes from the userbase pages [01:45] So they generate a tarball or do we get them individually? [01:45] not sure if it is a tarbal [01:46] Etriaph: you have Kubuntu installed? [01:46] 15.04, yes. [01:46] installed kubuntu-docs? [01:46] Probably not, one sec... [01:46] I do now [01:47] /usr/share/doc/HTML/en/kubuntu/ [01:47] is where that installs [01:47] so userbase exports to a docbook and then a script converts to HTML [01:47] So when you repackage it you're just splicing in CSS? [01:48] the KDE site does I think \ [01:48] OK, so that script is likely doing an XSL transformation to HTML [01:48] not sure where it comes from since it is not in or source [01:48] If we had the docbook format, we could play with it. [01:49] you it is in the that dir [01:50] you can branch this https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/vivid [01:50] as it is the same version as in the repos [01:52] Well it's just a matter of processing what's there in the docbook format into HTML5. [01:53] I'd have to write an XSL stylesheet for it then transform; not something I'm going to start today, but something possible down the road :D [01:53] but there you have to do it everytime a new release is out (which is not much really) [01:53] yay :D [01:53] or for changes made to the userbase page anyway [01:53] We need static pages for each release [01:54] Well when the manual is updated and you have a new *.docbook, you'd just run the transformer over it. [01:54] And it'll spit out pages. [01:55] KDE itself has a lot of web technologies that are out of date it seems. [01:56] www.kde.org is not responsive to changes in viewport at all. [01:56] Etriaph: it would be much easier if we write the docs in HTML and then host it ourselves since we have a server anyway [01:56] ahoneybun: Well, it being in WordPress would make that remarkably easy. [01:56] but HTML is not as easily as MediaWiki [01:57] Etriaph: if we merge the WP site with the Docs [01:57] I think they should be together as well so they are very easy to find [01:57] Oh, separate domain [01:57] yea [01:57] atm [01:57] could link it [01:57] Oyy... docs.kubuntu.org is just that? [01:58] (Not to diminish it, but it's just the manual?) [01:58] yea sadly [01:58] not pretty atm [01:58] Now I'm itching to create a new Rails app just for that :D [01:59] Who hosts that? [01:59] not sure the host [01:59] I think it was donated [01:59] host as in (GoDaddy?) [01:59] Yes [01:59] Where is it hosted, hardware, stack? [02:00] don't know [02:00] Riddell: might [02:00] I should stop pinging him lol [02:00] LOL [02:01] Who's "in charge" of all of the web parts under Kubuntu.org? [02:02] well he is in charge of Kubuntu as a whole [02:02] OK. [02:02] ovidiu-florin: and soee have been working on the new WP [02:02] * Etriaph nods [02:02] but Riddell is the one to talk to for that info [02:03] I tend to shy away from using PHP on the web, these days, as most of the software out there is still old-school PHP5 (in some cases PHP4) format/ideology/compatible. [02:03] WordPress is one of those. [02:03] I'll be heading off for the night. [02:03] Ah, OK [02:03] Sweet dreams :D [02:03] its 10pm here [02:04] I'm in EST too [02:04] But I'm up late :D [02:04] thanks you too, hopefully you'll be here tomorrow [02:04] and join the UOS! [02:04] I'll be around for sure. [02:04] Take it easy. [02:04] you too [02:04] * ahoneybun is away [04:18] ahoneybun: a note on that page you showed - if it says Kubuntu [tm] once, it should say it every time (personally, I would leave it off) [04:20] based on the KISS principle [04:20] sgclark: Are you alive there? [04:20] hmm? [04:21] I just got your email re: bugs in 15.04 with backports [04:21] Do you happen to have an IM client that I could test a message with you with? All of my contacts are asleep [04:21] just need someone using backports to see if they can reproduce [04:22] Yup, I'm doing that. :D [04:22] hmm, don't think I set IM back up yet [04:22] OK [04:22] oh, ok great [04:22] Etriaph: thanks! [04:24] I can only confirm 4.2, I don't understand 4.3 entirely so I can't do much with that one. [04:25] I'll send a reply to the list, hopefully you can collect more than one report. [04:26] Thank you so much, really appreciated [04:28] I would bet their installation is just borked. [04:33] sgclark: np [04:36] yeah so far I cannot reporduce a single one [05:26] ahoneybun: Always free for open source projects at readthedocs.org. [05:26] quoted from their website [05:30] ahoneybun: I'd say we should go for readthedocs, it's already done, it's free [05:34] * Etriaph sleep & [06:13] free for open source projects does not equal free and open source [07:17] ScottK: would it be possible to backport Python 2.7.9 into ubuntu-backports? [07:17] or would it be way too much work / effort [07:18] the kde sysadmins wanted it [08:35] Good morning. [08:57] Riddell: how would you like to go about kubuntu_wily_archive branches? should we simply branch all of them from where we have vivid_archive or do it on-demand when we upload something new? [08:58] sitter: is it not better to branch from kubuntu_stable ? [09:00] Riddell: only if we then do an upload [09:00] otherwise that's like on-demand branching anyway, except you do it all at once such that you need to re-merge it anyway once a new version comes out as the archive branch is then outdated compared to stable [09:03] anyone knows about this https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?68035-Feedback-on-Kubuntu-15-04&p=371533&viewfull=1#post371533 [09:04] sitter: "limitations" is hardly a useful bug report :) [09:05] well, yeah there was no bug report [09:06] which is a common scheme I see with people whining about the release [09:06] then again since no one triages the bugs anyway, I suppose it is for the best [09:19] I filed a bug report about some 15.04 backport packaging errors. Let me know if I need to add any more details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/1451728 [09:19] Launchpad bug 1451728 in Kubuntu PPA "kde-config-telepathy-accounts package install error" [Undecided,New] [09:21] thanks ngaio that's interesting [09:21] no timeline for when I can get to that I'm afraid [09:21] ngaio: have you been able to work around it? [09:22] Riddell, I have no idea how to work around it ;-) [09:23] ngaio: sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-engb_4%3a15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa3_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kaccounts-providers_15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_all.deb [09:23] sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-config-telepathy-accounts_15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_amd64.deb [09:23] sudo apt -f install [09:23] should do it [09:26] thanks, I think that did the trick [09:37] I think I'll close bug 1451749 [09:37] bug 1451749 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Wish: provide a way to run kde 4 with vivid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451749 [09:41] hey guys [09:41] got this while update to apps 15.04 http://pastebin.com/MRuQhU8v [09:43] * Riddell blogs http://jriddell.org/2015/05/05/ubuntu-online-summit-ubuntu-community-team-mailing-list/ [09:43] sheytan: looking [09:44] sheytan: looks like I missed that, how annying I thought I got all those overlaps [09:44] sheytan: you know how to work around it? [09:45] "How is kde-l10n- still a thing?" [09:45] Riddell: well, i just did apt-get upgrade and it's working [09:45] sitter: KDE Applications ships the separated language packs same as KDE SC did [09:45] Riddell: that error was from muon updater [09:45] apt-get upgrade done the job, but why was that? [09:46] can i reboot safely? :D [09:46] sheytan: yep [09:46] Riddell: yes, how is that still a thing [09:47] * sheytan reboots [09:47] sitter: because that's what the kde release team decided? where decided means nobody had an opinion so albert got on and did it and you should say thanks [09:48] thanks! [09:50] * sheytan is back [09:50] sheytan: computer still alive? [09:50] but where's my 'About system' KCM missing [09:50] Riddell: yeah [09:51] sheytan: it moved to kinfocenter which is where it logically should be but is a bit more hidden alas [09:51] oh :D [09:51] there it is [09:53] heh, telepathy still sucks with facebook ;/ [09:54] it keeps saying my password isin't correct, but it was working [09:54] it's dead now isn't it? [09:54] or just about to be [09:54] maybe it died on may 1st [09:54] it was fine till yesterday i guess [09:54] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working [09:54] blame facebook I'm afraid, they withdrew the API [09:54] i guess this applies to telepathy too [09:54] that's what i thought [09:55] the dark web goes darker, someone should tell the government [09:55] call 911 :D [09:56] or 112 for europe [09:56] anyway, this sucks, i was liking it ;/ [09:56] it does suck, some people are working on screen scraping messenger.com so hopefully it'll come back [09:57] what's more likly, facebook will anncounce messanger for linux [09:57] pft [09:57] never going to happen [09:57] well [09:57] i hate that shit, when everybody trys to force you using their tools [09:57] sheytan: http://messengerfordesktop.com/ [09:57] shadeslayer: doesn't it work is xmpp too? [09:58] good thing in the free software community we all understand the principles of freely distributing and sharing our work [09:58] sheytan: no [09:58] it is from facebook team or 3rd party? [09:58] sheytan: it's basically a web browser pointing to the mobile version of messenger.com [09:58] sheytan: 3rd party [09:59] Riddell: so what do we do with wily branches? [09:59] can't you do the same with plasma applet? [09:59] possibly [10:00] dolphin still doesn't remember new added places to the sidebar ;/ [10:00] shit [10:00] sitter: I've given my suggestion of branching from kubuntu_stable, if you want to branch from kubuntu_vivid_archive and then we'll merge in kubuntu_stable when something is uploaded that works too, it just seems like an extra step [10:01] Riddell: stable requires a new upstream release [10:01] Riddell: what we could do is branch from backports if backports is available [10:01] sitter: so why ask if you already know the answer you want? :) [10:02] backports just came to mind [10:04] Riddell: also FTR I really really really do not like qml files in arch:all datapackages [10:04] it feels very naughty to have data recommends: qml-module-yolo, knowing full well that yolo is indeed required for the qml files to work [10:05] this might need some different approach potentially [10:13] sitter: hmm how does other interpreted languages do it? [10:13] ScottK: what's python's approach to that? ↑ [10:14] sheytan: ngaio uploading 4:15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa4 to backports so fix the issue with overlapping in those packages [10:16] Riddell, thank you [10:26] has anyone noticed since the vivid app updates that the open file dialog need a double click to go into a folder? for example attatching a file in kmail, dolphin still behaves fine [10:27] seaLne: curious, that was a bug in breeze that should be fixed in plasma [10:27] maybe the fix didn't make it in time for the backports packages but I did put it in the archive packages [10:28] this only appeared after rebooting this morining, i have backports ppa enabled [10:29] i'd have never guessed to blaim breeze [10:29] maybe the bug re-appeared [10:29] seaLne: Qt allows the widget style to set a preference on double click [10:29] anyone on CI able to test it out? [10:30] kate file open uses single click [10:30] (unstable) [10:31] kate seems fine for me to [10:31] actually I get single click using kate 15.04 from backports ppa [10:31] seaLne: oh it's qt4 is why [10:31] qt5 won't be affected [10:32] kmail atttaching indeed is double click [10:32] d_ed: didn't you fix that bug? ↑ [10:35] Riddell: kate is not qt4 [10:35] tsdgeos: right that's why we don't see the problem there [10:35] ok [10:36] Riddell: I did ... but for 5.3.1 [10:36] if you can call the qt4 version 5.3.1 [10:37] oh I see you only pushed it a couple of days ago [10:38] Riddell: when exactly [10:39] interesting [10:39] jenkins decided to not build breeze-qt4 [10:39] even more intersteing is that according to jenkins it last polled the repo apr 24 [10:41] "Git commit aa34eb031e205c6b21bcfe055523ca9be95b8dac by David Edmundson. Committed on 03/05/2015 at 19:29" [10:42] sitter: ↑ [11:22] Hiyas all [11:29] d_ed: could you lean on mck a bit here? we can't co-install kaccounts and gnome accounts which goes against the entire rest of the linux desktop world https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347219 [11:29] KDE bug 347219 in accounts-kcm "files overlap with gnome account" [Major,Unconfirmed] [11:30] Riddell: I think that typically the arch all would depend on the arch any extension. It's not rare in the python world for there to be a fallback pure python (arch all) implementation if the C extension is not available. In such cases, one might recommend the arch any bit. [11:31] One sort of example that comes to mind is the ssl module in python itself. [11:31] If you somehow rip out openssl, it still works, just a lot slower. [12:20] Riddell: no info about apps 15.04 on g+ ? [13:03] who do we interopete with? I'm writing a talk about interoperability and I've got a bunch of topics but I need more https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1reTg2QKRAipyZmsRPb_tPxnSkiwf-aN1nkbpB5n0-Lk/edit?usp=sharing [13:04] interkopete [13:39] shadeslayer, yofel: Think it would be a good idea to deregister #project-neon and abandon the channel? [13:39] yeah [13:39] I reckon [13:39] want to do it? :P [13:39] I'm not sure who registered it in the first place :P [13:39] make it invite only and forward it into here [13:39] sitter probably? [13:42] [15:42] [Notice] -ChanServ- Channel #project-neon is not registered. [13:42] Hmm, I dropped it [13:42] I guess a redirect would be better. [13:43] Aw shit, now I can't register it :D [13:45] sitter: Can you make kubotu_ leave #project-neon? [13:46] shadeslayer: I can't really kick anyone since I locked out myself from the channel by dropping it. [13:46] Now noone has OP and can't get OPs since it's not registered [13:47] kubotu_: part #project-neon [13:47] kubotu_: nick kubotu === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [13:48] heh [13:48] Quintasan: fun [13:48] sitter: Thanks. [13:53] * sitter rather though he fixed hplip [13:53] Riddell: do you have some hp printor in the office? [13:53] I fear my test case perhaps was not good enough [14:01] sitter: only a Brother printer [14:09] such a Bother [14:09] badumtss [14:09] * sitter heads to the basement in search of a printer [14:28] shadeslayer or yofel: I need magic irc powers on target channel to set redirects. [14:28] Or wait, I could give someone here the powers in #project-neon [14:28] yeah I think I have magic powers here [14:28] if you tell me how to do it [14:28] yep [14:28] join #project-neon [14:29] I'll give you rights [14:29] invite only [14:29] such exclusive [14:29] wow [14:29] elite [14:30] hplip tray works just fine [14:31] it's compiled right, no skype issue of needing to install i386:sni-qt ? [14:32] wow [14:32] such redirects [14:32] Riddell: skype is an issue [14:32] but that really is upstream. we can hardly seed half the i386 tooling just so in case the user installs skype they get the sni-qt thing [14:32] Quintasan: werks? neat [14:33] says invite only for me [14:33] sitter: I think some kubuntu-notification-helper popup is the best we can do there [14:33] yeah, I was just about that say that [14:33] it's already on the 15.10 todo [14:33] technically we should be able to craft that via hooks btw [14:33] shadeslayer: definitely works [14:33] okay [14:33] *shrug* [14:34] have a package that registers an dpkg interest thingy on usr/bin/skype and if the file appears it creates a hook file that in turn triggers the knh hook stuff [14:34] Riddell: problem with all of this is that it would require strings that need to be localized [14:34] yes that would be better [14:34] so nothing for vivid [14:35] well that's ok since k-n-h is now in kubuntu [14:35] oh no I wouldn't expect a backport [14:35] Riddell: the hooks are weird xml files :P [14:35] l10n would be handled through ubuntu somehow [14:35] why do hooks need user facing strings? [14:35] surely only for command line stuff [14:36] the user needs to run them or at least authorize package installation [14:36] dpkg triggers trigger while dpkg is running so we cannot automatically instally sni-qt:i386 at that point (plus that would be highly questionable behavior anyway) [14:38] hmm [14:39] does anyone remember why we disabled PAM in kwallet [14:39]