[05:18] <pitti> Good morning
[06:05] <didrocks> good morning
[06:36] <larsu> bonjour!
[06:38] <didrocks> hey larsu
[06:38] <larsu> hi didrocks! How are you?
[06:38] <didrocks> I'm good, thanks, yourself?
[06:38]  * larsu searches for that gsettings session seb128 wanted to schedule
[06:39] <larsu> didrocks: great :)
[06:39]  * larsu has tea
[07:14] <willcooke> morning
[07:15] <didrocks> hey willcooke! optical experiments over?
[07:15] <willcooke> he!
[07:15] <willcooke> yeah
[07:16] <willcooke> Took me all day Sunday to recover
[07:16] <didrocks> :)
[07:16] <larsu> morning willcooke
[07:17] <willcooke> Argh
[07:17] <willcooke> Just realised
[07:17] <willcooke> UOS means I'll be here until 9 tonight
[07:17] <willcooke> hmm
[07:18] <willcooke> I might carry on now and take Friday off
[07:18] <willcooke> Do you guys want to do the weekly meeting today?  I will /probably/ be in sessions
[07:18] <willcooke> seb128,  ^
[07:26] <didrocks> first kernel uploaded to wily, time to push the track! :)
[07:26] <didrocks> crack*
[07:29]  * larsu waits for Laney to do that :D
[07:41] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:42] <seb128> willcooke, I'm probably going to be in sessions as well
[07:42] <seb128> so unsure
[07:42] <seb128> I guess most of the team is not going to be, so if we find somebody who wants to lead we can probably have the meeting
[07:43] <larsu> seb128: we could have a quick one? Without pasting notes, just "is there anything of importance to talk ab
[07:43] <larsu> out"
[07:43]  * larsu wonders if that would be helpful though
[07:44] <seb128> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/2015-05-05/
[07:44] <seb128> there is a snappy desktop session at the meeting time
[07:44] <larsu> so that's our meeting!
[07:44] <seb128> willcooke, what about doing the meeting at 2utc with those who are here/get the change?
[07:45] <seb128> or do we want to listen to the plenary?
[07:45] <seb128> we can probably do 2:30pm and keep it to half an hour
[07:48] <willcooke> oki, let's do 1430 UTC and keep it short...
[07:49] <willcooke> I'll email
[07:49] <seb128> thanks
[08:03] <Laney> hullo
[08:04] <larsu> guten Tag Laney!
[08:04] <Laney> good day to you sir
[08:04] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:05] <Laney> hello didrocks!
[08:05] <Laney> how are you all?
[08:05] <Laney> it's been four days of pain that we have been apart
[08:05] <larsu> painful
[08:08]  * Laney ws the w
[08:08] <Laney> NO, must patch pilot before looking at anything and getting distracted
[08:13] <seb128> hey Laney, wie gehts?
[08:16] <Laney> hey seb128, doing good thanks!
[08:16] <Laney> family at the weekend, climbing yesterday, all good fun
[08:16] <Laney> you?
[08:17] <seb128> nice w.e as well, bbq with friends, spa, relaxing, and played tennis after work yesterday
[08:17] <seb128> ready for UOS and w opening this week!
[08:37] <Laney> thanks willcooke!
[08:38] <willcooke> Laney, np
[08:38]  * Laney sends out the bat signal
[08:43] <davmor2> Laney: is now swamped in bats
[08:45]  * Laney hangs davmor2 upside down from the church rafters
[08:45] <Laney> one of ussss
[08:46] <davmor2> Laney: how do you know my back stretch routine?
[08:46]  * Laney has root
[09:11]  * Laney is going to merge the oldest sponsoring request
[09:11] <Laney> muhahaha
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, which one was that?
[09:16] <Laney> oneconf
[09:16] <Laney> 2013-12-10
[09:16] <seb128> nice
[09:17]  * didrocks hopes that Laney will test if it still works, I heared it didn't since the python3 switch
[09:17] <Laney> that's why it has taken me 45 minutes to review one thing :)
[09:17] <Laney> I got my laptop to show up!
[09:18] <didrocks> nice :p
[09:18] <Laney> does it communicate via the server?
[09:18] <Laney> no avahi or anything right
[09:18] <didrocks> yeah, it's using apps.ubuntu.com
[09:18]  * Laney nods
[09:25] <Laney> bzr push :parent #take that!
[10:15] <Laney> tjaalton: hiya, do you think you could maybe self verify bug #1447143? there's another fix in the queue that could probably go in after this one
[10:16] <tjaalton> Laney: oh right
[10:17] <tjaalton> yeah it needs skl hw so I'd better :)
[10:17] <tjaalton> the kernel bits are missing still though, but I'll verify with what I've built
[10:17] <Laney> whatever that is :P
[10:18] <tjaalton> skylake
[10:18] <Laney> ah
[10:19] <Laney> oh wait, I meant to poke you about the utopic sru
[10:19]  * Laney clicked the wrong link
[10:19] <tjaalton> this was fine too
[10:20] <Laney> bug #1444436
[10:20] <tjaalton> yep
[10:20] <Laney> please to fiddle the tags then :)
[12:35] <Sweet5hark> hmmm, someone said at the london sprint that clicking mail merge was a noop in libreoffice if libreoffice-base wasnt installed ... anyone remembering that? because I cant reproduce here ...
[12:35] <Laney> me
[12:36] <Laney> it's after you get to selecting the document containing the addresses (or whatever)
[12:36] <Laney> 3-4 stages into the wizard iirc
[12:38] <Laney> biab
[12:42] <Sweet5hark> Laney: ah, ok -- will recheck ..l
[13:33] <willcooke> hrm
[13:33] <willcooke> I think I might have got the time wrong for the meeting today
[13:33] <willcooke> we should do it now right?
[13:33] <willcooke> before the plenary?
[13:33] <willcooke> seb128, ^
[13:34] <seb128> willcooke, I was assuming that the time was correct and that we would do it during the second half of the plenary slot, not sure if the plenary is going to be a full hour and how useful it is
[13:34] <willcooke> oki, let's do it in 1 hr then
[13:35] <willcooke> I will be listening to the plenary I hink
[13:35] <willcooke> *think
[13:35] <willcooke> but I can do both :)
[13:38] <willcooke> seb128, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22513/convergence-1505-gsettings-confinement/
[13:38] <willcooke> it had to go in the community room because we are full in Convergence
[13:38] <willcooke> desrt, ^^
[13:39] <seb128> oh, it's today?!
[13:39] <willcooke> I can move it
[13:39] <willcooke> if you want
[13:39] <seb128> desrt, larsu ^
[13:40] <willcooke> I could ask to borrow "Cloud 2" tomorrow at 1400 UTC
[13:40] <willcooke> or 1900 UTC
[13:40] <willcooke> tomorrow
[13:40] <willcooke> or 1400 or 1500 Thursday
[13:40] <willcooke> other than that - we are full up
[13:40] <willcooke> we = UOS sessions in all
[14:00]  * Laney screams
[14:01]  * Laney had the plenary youtube video open in a background tab
[14:10] <larsu> seb128: I already have plans for tonight. Let me check if I can move them
[14:11] <seb128> larsu, don't worry, willcooke said he can move
[14:11] <seb128> larsu, like tomorrow 2pm utc or 7p,
[14:11] <willcooke> larsu, please let me know asap the other available slots are up there ^^
[14:11] <larsu> willcooke: I prefer tomorrow
[14:11] <seb128> thursday 2pm and 3pm seem free as well
[14:11] <larsu> (any time)
[14:12] <larsu> thursday works as well
[14:12]  * willcooke checks
[14:12] <larsu> thanks
[14:12]  * larsu thought it was going to be Thu night, but I guess everything always changes at uos
[14:13] <seb128> larsu, mhall119 said he would put it there but he didn't and the slot got claimed it seems
[14:13] <mhall119> seb128: the gsettings one?
[14:13] <seb128> mhall119, yes
[14:14] <mhall119> it's at 1900 today
[14:14] <seb128> mhall119, right, and that doesn't work for us
[14:14] <mhall119> I thought I scheduled it when you asked for it, maybe another lead moved it
[14:14] <mhall119> seb128: when would work for you?
[14:14] <seb128> mhall119, I though we said thursday 7pm
[14:14] <seb128> mhall119, willcooke is moving it to tomorrow or thursday
[14:14] <mhall119> yeah, that's when I originally scheduled it I thought
[14:14] <mhall119> ok
[14:15] <larsu> is that 7 utc or cet?
[14:15] <willcooke> mhall119, timezones on summit look a bit broken
[14:15] <willcooke> or maybe its just me
[14:16] <mhall119> willcooke: there aren't timezones, everything is UTC
[14:16] <seb128> larsu, utc
[14:16] <seb128> larsu, better to do 2 or 3 utc
[14:17] <larsu> seb128: yes
[14:17] <desrt> uh
[14:17] <mdeslaur> seb128, mhall119, willcooke: would be better tomorrow, I won't be able to attend on thurs
[14:17] <desrt> what?
[14:18] <seb128> desrt, would tomorrow 2pm utc work for you for the settings session?
[14:19] <desrt> 14 UTC = 10 for me
[14:19] <desrt> sure
[14:19] <desrt> as long as it doesn't get moved again :)
[14:19] <seb128> willcooke, ^ can we get that?
[14:19] <willcooke> seb128, that clashes with "U8 as default desktop" - but I think that's more the U8 guys than ius
[14:19] <willcooke> us
[14:20] <seb128> willcooke, I'm probably going to go to the U8 default desktop but I don't think I would be much useful to the gsettings one
[14:20] <willcooke> ok, mdeslaur seb128 desrt larsu mhall119  - scheduled for 1400 UTC tomorrow in the "Cloud 2"  room
[14:20] <seb128> as long as mdeslaur larsu and desrt can be at the settings one we are good
[14:20] <willcooke> cool
[14:20] <larsu> thanks!
[14:20] <mdeslaur> great, thanks
[14:20] <mhall119> thanks willcooke
[14:20] <desrt> thanks
[14:20] <desrt> and sorry for missing it today
[14:21] <willcooke> nw
[14:31] <seb128> willcooke, having the short meeting now?
[14:31]  * Sweet5hark sneaks in
[14:31]  * didrocks same
[14:32] <tkamppeter> hi
[14:34]  * Sweet5hark starts shuffling a deck of cards under the table and distributes a hand to didrocks and tkamppeter. like in the old days at school.
[14:34]  * didrocks takes his hp49 calculator and starts a game
[14:34] <willcooke> seb128, argh
[14:34] <willcooke> oki, let's do it
[14:34] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Meeting 2015-05-05
[14:34] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May  5 14:34:58 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:37] <willcooke> attente, desrt, didrocks, FJKong, happyaron, Laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, Sweet5hark, tkamppeter, Sweet5hark
[14:37] <qengho> yo
[14:37] <willcooke> anyone else I forgot ^^
[14:37] <willcooke> ok, gotta be quick...
[14:37] <willcooke> #topic attente
[14:37] <willcooke> GO!
[14:37] <attente> packaged input method framework switcher and uploaded to a ppa, but it won't be as useful for us now that the plan seems to be to replace maliit with fcitx and add osk support there instead
[14:37] <attente> fixed gdk mir build from master due to mir api break
[14:37] <attente> debugging the qt5 port of fcitx-qimpanel; problem lies somewhere between qt5 and libdbusmenu-qt
[14:38] <willcooke> attente, eof?
[14:38] <attente> right, yes :)
[14:38] <willcooke> :)
[14:38] <willcooke> thanks attente
[14:38] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[14:38] <desrt> got the reader-side of the gsettings proxy service working.  need to work on the writer side and getting the client packaged up as a proper gsettings backend.  need to figure out how to get a list of which keys an app is allowed to read/write -- have UDS session on that tomorrow
[14:39] <desrt> will continue work during this week
[14:39] <desrt> eof
[14:39] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[14:39] <didrocks> short week (Friday was a bank holiday)
[14:39] <didrocks> ubuntu make:
[14:39] <didrocks>  - release ubuntu make 0.7 with visual studio code support
[14:39] <didrocks>  - enable removing deprecated frameworks without letting user to reinstall them or listing them once removed (dedicated to popey)
[14:39] <didrocks>  - add non interactive installation mode
[14:39] <didrocks>  - add more tests for the new use case. However, the i386 VM is broken in the CI system since yesterday. CI Team is looking at it now.
[14:39] <didrocks>  - bugs triaging
[14:39] <didrocks> eof
[14:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[14:39] <willcooke> timeout in 1m
[14:39] <popey> \o/
[14:39] <desrt> tsk tsk tsk
[14:40] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[14:40] <willcooke> timeout in 1m
[14:40] <happyaron> hey
[14:41] <happyaron> I've just back from holidays, and reading emails & backlogs
[14:41] <willcooke> thx happyaron
[14:41] <happyaron> wonders if we can switch fcitx to default early in this cycle?
[14:41] <desrt> happyaron: we need to talk.....
[14:41] <seb128> default for what langages?
[14:41] <willcooke> lets pick that up after the meeting
[14:41] <happyaron>  /eol
[14:41] <willcooke> #topic laney
[14:41] <happyaron> seb128: for all languages
[14:42]  * happyaron let's talk about it after meeting
[14:42] <seb128> happyaron, did we decide to do that? but yeah, out of meeting topic
[14:42] <FJKong> willcooke: my turn?
[14:42] <willcooke> FJKong, laney is up, let's give him a moment and then we'll come bacl
[14:42] <willcooke> back
[14:42] <Laney> aah
[14:43]  * desrt watches Laney strugle with gucharmap
[14:43] <Laney> actually http://unicode-table.com/en/sets/social-symbols/
[14:43] <Laney> PHEW
[14:43] <Laney> HERE GOES:
[14:43] <Laney> • short week due to May bank holiday
[14:43] <Laney> • Worked some more on preparing gtk, o-s & some others for W opening, sitting in ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ww ~ready to go
[14:43] <Laney> • Filed some initial bugs tag 'gtk316' and assigned them, still some more to go
[14:43] <Laney> • Patch piloted (uploaded the longest standing item in the queue, woo)
[14:43] <Laney> • SRUs
[14:43] <Laney> ∘ gtk: column resizing (T & U), 3.14.13 (V)
[14:43] <Laney> ∘ gnome-session: Start compiz from upstart, fixes unity --replace
[14:43] <Laney> ∘ empathy/account-plugins: Kill off FB and MSN messengers, no longer supported by their providers
[14:43] <Laney> ∘ totem: Don't play videos twice if you start them from the commandline
[14:43] <Laney> ♞
[14:44] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[14:44] <FJKong> not much to update due to the Holiday of Labors Day
[14:44] <FJKong> finish Dash pinyin search and preview in Unity.
[14:44] <FJKong> need more test and work on it
[14:44] <FJKong> that's all
[14:44] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[14:44] <larsu> - short week due to May 1
[14:44] <larsu> - reviewed and tested an indicator-messages MR and found a bug in the process
[14:44] <larsu> - libsoup bug
[14:45] <larsu> - investigated treeview column resizing problem for 14.04, backported patches and filed SRU
[14:45] <larsu> - some bug triage (also upstream)
[14:45] <larsu> - started testing gtk 3.16
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[14:45] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[14:45] <qengho> Sorry! Not ready.
[14:46] <qengho> Dazzled by the video.
[14:46] <willcooke> will come back
[14:46] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[14:46] <seb128> * 4 days week, friday was 1st of may
[14:46] <seb128> * some preparation for UOS
[14:46] <seb128> * worked on w-blueprints
[14:46] <seb128> * quite some bugs triage/review of e.u.c top issues after vivid
[14:46] <seb128> * looked at SRUing some bugfixes
[14:46] <seb128> * u-s-s reviews
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[14:46] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> - day off due to may day holiday (which is needed in Hamburg and Berlin to defend your home in the riots)
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> - prepared a 4.4.3~rc2 build for vivid/ppa
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> - tried updating breeze from bug 1448508 SRU -> unfortunately the breeze snapshot seems to be broken
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> - looked into the top crasher on errors.ubuntu.com
[14:46] <Sweet5hark>   - identified offending commit
[14:46] <Sweet5hark>   - lifecycle issue on shutdown
[14:46] <Sweet5hark>   - unfortunately the commit causing the regression also fixed a lifecycle issue crash (simplified version)
[14:46] <Sweet5hark>   - not quite sure yet if this can be reverted without making things worse
[14:46] <Sweet5hark>   -> ongoing
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> - caught up with missed out upstream mail and developments after sprint
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> - some more work on another lifecycle issue upstream
[14:46] <Sweet5hark>   - ended up in a maze of corridors all looking the same
[14:46] <Sweet5hark>   -> punted
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> - looked into Laneys 'mail merge is trolling me, when libreoffice-base is not installed' issue
[14:46] <Sweet5hark> eh, got throttled ...
[14:47] <desrt> last: 10:46 < Sweet5hark> - looked into Laneys 'mail merge is trolling me, when libreoffice-base is not installed' issue
[14:47] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, eof?
[14:47] <Sweet5hark>   - can reproduce now, should be reasonably easy to fix
[14:47] <Sweet5hark>   -> ongoing
[14:47] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[14:47] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[14:48] <willcooke> 1m timeout
[14:49] <Laney> Sweet5hark: I should tell you about my other issues :)
[14:49] <Sweet5hark> Laney: not your personal army
[14:49] <Laney> the worst one was that all lists lost their formatting so I had to manually type them
[14:49]  * Laney giggles and runs off
[14:49] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[14:49] <qengho> * Done: tested Cr 42.0.2311.135, including a new Flash update test and warning.
[14:49] <qengho> * To-do: Re-sync Ozone/Mir patches after v42 breakage. Start hacking mir in again.
[14:49] <qengho> EOF
[14:50] <qengho> Will get v42 Cr in today, including wily
[14:50] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May  5 14:50:24 2015 UTC.
[14:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-05-05-14.34.moin.txt
[14:50] <willcooke> thanks all
[14:50] <willcooke> maybe next week we'll be back to normal
[14:50] <desrt> happyaron: so about fcitx...
[14:50] <happyaron> desrt: huh?
[14:50] <desrt> i think there is some bad communication here
[14:50] <seb128> thanks
[14:51] <Laney> thanks!
[14:51] <desrt> last i heard is that we won't even have sogou at all
[14:51] <seb128> desrt, speaking about phone or desktop?
[14:51] <desrt> both
[14:51] <happyaron> desrt: I meant desktop...
[14:51] <Sweet5hark> thanks
[14:52] <seb128> desrt, we have sogou for desktop afaik
[14:52] <seb128> going to be in the partner or restricted archive
[14:52] <happyaron> that's what Fanjun and I did for the last year, desktop version of Sogou
[14:52] <desrt> on account of maliit not being an issue on desktop....
[14:53] <desrt> even still -- what is the advantage of using fcitx for all languages always?
[14:55] <happyaron> desrt: well, personally I don't see the necessary of maintaining two stacks of input method
[14:55] <desrt> except that some users clearly prefer ibus
[14:56] <desrt> (we could apply the same argument otherwise to "let's just use ibus for all languages")
[14:56] <happyaron> fcitx is architecturely more advanced
[14:56] <desrt> also: attente just finished the switching code and it's working quite well now
[14:57] <happyaron> that's why Sogou has chosen fcitx
[14:57] <attente> my main concern is who's going to end up doing the osk work for fcitx
[14:57] <happyaron> we shouldn't stick on 2000s user experience since it's one and a half decade already, right?
[14:58]  * happyaron I'm purely talking about desktop, not phone, so not relevant to osk atm
[14:58] <didrocks> well, it clearly is
[14:58] <desrt> happyaron: well, then we still need to maintain two stacks anyway, then...
[14:58] <happyaron> if we whant to have Sogou, we must do the OSK work
[14:58] <didrocks> we are aiming for convergence, remember?
[14:58] <desrt> happyaron: i don't think maliit is going anywhere....
[14:58] <happyaron> * want
[14:58] <desrt> (i mean... i don't think it's going away)
[14:59] <happyaron> desrt: then let's wait for sogou plan
[14:59] <happyaron> in real world commercial cooperations, if we don't have Sogou on phone, we can hardly to work with Tencent.
[15:00] <happyaron> this means our phone can't probably sale in China
[15:00] <happyaron> but that's up to phone poeple to decide, and to work it out
[15:00]  * happyaron sell
[15:01] <didrocks> there is no "phone people", and this cycle, some people will work to have one image for phone and desktop, so we all have to work it out this cycle
[15:01] <happyaron> I mean the business guys
[15:02] <didrocks> let's just focus on the technical part, our part
[15:02] <happyaron> I tend to switch to fcitx on desktop, and keep maliit on phone for the moment, and wait business guys to sort out the mess of cooperations
[15:03] <happyaron> this means we'll support up to 2 frameworks (fcitx, maliit), not 3 (+ ibus)
[15:03] <happyaron> what do you think?
[15:03] <didrocks> happyaron: what are you going to do for the common image then?
[15:04] <happyaron> didrocks: have both of the two, we can't use maliit on desktop anyway
[15:04] <didrocks> and so, when we have the ubuntu phone booted, plugged to a screen + keyboard, what happens?
[15:05] <happyaron> if the coming result is "desktop mode" like a full featured desktop, fcitx should run
[15:05] <didrocks> but the session was already running
[15:05] <attente> we can probably use the input method switcher for that, at least for now
[15:05] <didrocks> with maliit I follow you
[15:06] <happyaron> attente did the online switching stuff
[15:06] <didrocks> so we need to install both
[15:06] <happyaron> yes
[15:06] <didrocks> and it will still be good to have some real user feedback for non chinese input method usage
[15:07] <happyaron> mobile input methods doesn't work that well on desktop, actually, people use different engines on mobile /desktop, a less powerful one for mobile to save battery.
[15:08] <attente> isn't that an argument against using fcitx for osk?
[15:08] <happyaron> didrocks: what language do you mean then, Japanese or non-engine users?
[15:08] <happyaron> attente: not it isn't
[15:08] <happyaron> fcitx/maliit are just framework, treat it like system API/service
[15:08] <happyaron> OSK is a standalone part
[15:08] <happyaron> neither of these parts have the power thing to worry
[15:09] <happyaron> but the computing library needs to be dealt with
[15:09] <didrocks> happyaron: Japanese, Thai…
[15:09] <attente> ok, it just seemed like we're taking fcitx which is a desktop one and using it for mobile
[15:10] <didrocks> arabic…
[15:10] <happyaron> the only mobile-targeted pinyin engine in our archive is libgooglepinyin
[15:10] <happyaron> using libpinyin will, waste power, and destroy SD cards
[15:10] <cyphermox> hey all, it would be nice if someone from the desktop team wanted to join my installer session at 18:00 UTC; since eventually there might be a need to mix Snappy convergence on desktop with the installer.
[15:10] <happyaron> didrocks: I can find real user for Japanese to comment, at least
[15:11] <cyphermox> (just thinking aloud right now, of course)
[15:14] <happyaron> attente: the advantage of using maliit, is that it has a OSK implementation that adresses some of the needs
[15:15] <happyaron> but please treat the stuff as two parts, Part 1 is a framework, which is fcitx's role, Part 2 is the OSK, which is what all the benefits it have
[15:16] <happyaron> we need a good framework, because OSKs and engines should be done by 3rd party, we just need a ok-to-go OSK/panel on mobile/desktop as os vendor.
[15:16] <happyaron> guess this time I've made myself a bit clearer?
[15:22] <attente> happyaron: yes, that makes sense
[15:24] <cyphermox> Laney: willcooke: could you's be there later for the installer session?
[15:24] <cyphermox> seb128 suggested I ping ;)
[15:28] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hi, I am going to copy the 4.4.3~rc2 builds when they are ready, ~vivid1  runs fine here afaics -- to avoid waiting for the breeze-update
[15:29] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: hmm, k. do you copy the vivid1 to vivid too?
[15:29] <Laney> cyphermox: I could maybe make the first half, but I'm not sure I'll be helpful
[15:29] <Laney> what did you want to talk about?
[15:29] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: because, as it turns out the breeze icons in vivid2 are b0rked ...
[15:29] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, yes, all these https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=libreoffice&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[15:29] <cyphermox> installer in general, but since there's discussion right now about snappy desktop convergence magic
[15:30] <cyphermox> Laney: I'm thinking somehow we'll need to install snappy on metal :)
[15:30] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, yeah, I noticed that is why I mentioned to copy them ;)
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: great, sure go ahead! ;)
[15:30] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, when trusty/amd64 is finished ;)
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: kk
[15:32] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, as a note, please push 4.4.x updates to wily as long there is no 5.x package
[15:35] <Laney> cyphermox: I'm pretty far from understanding what's wanted there
[15:35] <cyphermox> ok
[15:35] <Laney> Unless the outcome is going to be "what do we need to know?"
[15:36] <Laney> In which case maybe I could be mildly helpful
[15:36]  * Laney engages in expectations management
[15:37] <Laney> cyphermox: I'll hang around on IRC and jump on the hangout if you need me
[15:37] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[15:37] <cyphermox> cool.
[15:37] <cyphermox> I don't know what I need to know for snappy installs.
[15:38] <Laney> then maybe "who do we need to talk to and about what?" would be an okay outcome
[15:54] <willcooke> cyphermox, Laney - I can try and be in the session, but track lead duties are all consuming
[15:54] <willcooke> cyphermox, I guess it boils down to:  We can live without a live session for now, but at least a CLI "installer" would be needed
[15:58] <Laney> like: plug in USB stick, have some way of installing?
[16:02] <cyphermox> Laney: kind of. :)
[17:24] <willcooke> cyphermox, I have to host the convergence track HO, so I can't be in another one
[17:24] <willcooke> cyphermox, what sort of thing do you need?
[17:25] <cyphermox> willcooke: I think I have everything I need. I got the high-level summary from slangasek earlier
[17:25] <cyphermox> so I guess I will mention it, but not spend much time on that aspect given that it seems more like a JDFI thing than anything else
[17:26] <cyphermox> rearrange these letters how it makes sense :)
[17:38] <willcooke> thx cyphermox
[17:38] <willcooke> ping me if you need anything, I'll be around, but hosting a session
[17:38] <cyphermox> ack. I'm not worried, I just wanted to make sure things didn't become surprises
[17:45] <willcooke> :)
[17:51] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, new under water vacuum cleaner eh? ;)
[17:52] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: should have bought a scooba instead of a roomba in the first place.
[17:52] <willcooke> LOL
[17:52] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: although I shouldnt complain. the roomba really is an awesome device.
[17:52] <willcooke> sooo tempted to get one
[17:53] <willcooke> but $$$$$$$
[17:53] <willcooke> oh
[17:53] <willcooke> amazon says < 300 GBP
[17:53] <willcooke> which is about 1/10th what I thought they cost
[18:03] <attente> sil2100: hi, in appmenu-qt5, is there a reason createPlatformMenu() returns 0 for both the GnomeAppMenuPlatformTheme and KdeAppMenuPlatformTheme?
[18:05] <sil2100> attente: in a meeting right now, would have to think about that for a moment to remember the reasons for that
[18:06] <sil2100> attente: if you could remind me of that through e-mail I would probably be able to answer tomorrow, since it's anyway way past my normal OED
[18:06] <sil2100> *EOD
[18:10] <attente> sil2100: sure, thanks
[18:11] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: get one. they are awesome. ... as long as they dont eat all your cables.
[18:12] <mitya57> attente: that is to avoid the endless loop in QMenu constructor
[18:13] <mitya57> QMenu constructs a QPlatformMenu internally (via createPlatformMenu()), which constructs a QMenu again, ...
[18:14] <attente> mitya57: is there a way to avoid it and still provide a QPlatformMenu?
[18:15] <attente> because returning 0 seems to be problematic for creating submenus in QSystemTrayIcon
[18:16] <mitya57> attente: http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/?id=03dc2b2e82750d1c531cf00a406368cde4a8928b
[18:17] <mitya57> That will be in Qt 5.4.2
[18:17] <attente> mitya57: oh! thanks!
[18:18] <mitya57> You are welcome! We can also SRU it to Vivid if you want.
[18:21] <attente> mitya57: does this require changes to appmenu-qt5 as well?
[18:21] <mitya57> No
[18:26] <attente> mitya57: so the indicator in vivid doesn't require the SRU because it moved its submenus into the top-level menu, and i'm unaware of others that might need it
[18:26] <attente> so i guess we don't need to SRU to vivid
[18:26] <attente> (this is fcitx-qimpanel/fcitx-ui-qimpanel)
[18:29] <mitya57> Ok
[18:31] <seb128> would that fix bug #1435348?
[18:32] <mitya57> seb128: no, my fix is only for tray icons
[18:33] <seb128> k