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| zaggah | Greetings | 01:36 |
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| zaggah | new here | 01:36 |
| zaggah | can anyone tell me if vnc works on latest ubuntu server | 01:36 |
| zaggah | It loads at startup but I cant seem to connect to it | 01:37 |
| zaggah | I am trying to run a headless server for mythtv | 01:38 |
| harushimo | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack | 02:01 |
| harushimo | does this need to be on every node? | 02:01 |
| === zz_DenBeiren is now known as DenBeiren | ||
| sarnold | harushimo: no; maas and landscape will know how to install ubuntu and openstack on the other nodes | 02:39 |
| harushimo | those instrucations are reflecting for the main node | 02:40 |
| harushimo | I mean instructinos | 02:40 |
| harushimo | I mean instructions | 02:40 |
| sarnold | harushimo: yeah; thanks for the link, that looks really useful :) | 02:40 |
| harushimo | not a problem | 02:40 |
| harushimo | This is my 6th attempt at openstack | 02:41 |
| harushimo | I get closer everytime | 02:41 |
| sarnold | I know the feeling. | 02:41 |
| harushimo | one tip about maas.ip | 02:42 |
| harushimo | to get the page: you need the ip of the VM and load it in the browser | 02:43 |
| sarnold | whenever I lose one of my machines, I always use nmap to find it again; nmap 192.168.1.0/24 -p 80 or something like that, to scan the subnet for port 80 | 02:44 |
| harushimo | interesting | 02:44 |
| sarnold | (I almost always scan for ssh on 22 instead of httpd on 80, since the machines I care about more often have ssh open, but 80 might be faster to find a machine with web control thingy live..) | 02:45 |
| harushimo | right | 02:45 |
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| boukmandutty | Need some help configuring a headless server | 03:47 |
| boukmandutty | cant seem to get vnc to load properly at boot | 03:47 |
| sarnold | boukmandutty: what errors are you gettting? | 03:51 |
| boukmandutty | I get this | 03:52 |
| boukmandutty | Active: active (running) since Mon 2015-05-04 22:40:59 CDT; 10min ago | 03:52 |
| boukmandutty | Process: 933 ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS | 03:52 |
| boukmandutty | oops | 03:52 |
| boukmandutty | typo | 03:52 |
| boukmandutty | vncserver.service - (null) | 03:52 |
| boukmandutty | Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/vncserver) | 03:52 |
| boukmandutty | Active: active (exited) since Mon 2015-05-04 22:41:06 CDT; 11min ago | 03:52 |
| boukmandutty | I notice it exits when booting up | 03:53 |
| boukmandutty | I had set it to load at boot | 03:53 |
| sarnold | boukmandutty: anything in the logs? | 03:53 |
| boukmandutty | But I am then able to load it once I log into lxde | 03:54 |
| boukmandutty | 04/05/15 22:41:05 Xvnc version TightVNC-1.3.10 | 03:55 |
| boukmandutty | 04/05/15 22:41:05 Copyright (C) 2000-2009 TightVNC Group | 03:55 |
| boukmandutty | 04/05/15 22:41:05 Copyright (C) 1999 AT&T Laboratories Cambridge | 03:55 |
| boukmandutty | 04/05/15 22:41:05 All Rights Reserved. | 03:55 |
| boukmandutty | 04/05/15 22:41:05 See http://www.tightvnc.com/ for information on TightVNC | 03:55 |
| boukmandutty | 04/05/15 22:41:05 Desktop name 'X' (ubunserver:1) | 03:55 |
| boukmandutty | 04/05/15 22:41:05 Protocol versions supported: 3.3, 3.7, 3.8, 3.7t, 3.8t | 03:55 |
| boukmandutty | 04/05/15 22:41:05 Listening for VNC connections on TCP port 5901 | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/' not found - ignoring | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/' not found - ignoring | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/' not found - ignoring | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | ** Message: main.vala:99: Session is Lubuntu | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | ** Message: main.vala:100: DE is (null) | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | ** Message: main.vala:110: No desktop environnement set, fallback to LXDE | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1". | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | ** Message: main.vala:131: log directory: /home/boukmandutty/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | ** Message: main.vala:132: log path: /home/boukmandutty/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | I am running ubuntu server 15.04 | 03:56 |
| boukmandutty | The full message when I run "systemctl status vncserver.service -l" is as follows | 03:58 |
| sarnold | .. please use a pastebin :) | 03:58 |
| boukmandutty | http://pastebin.com/nfAdbkyC | 04:02 |
| sarnold | thanks :) | 04:03 |
| boukmandutty | Sorry about the flooding above | 04:03 |
| boukmandutty | Havent used irc in a bit | 04:04 |
| sarnold | what's in /home/boukmandutty/.vnc/ubunserver:1.log | 04:04 |
| boukmandutty | http://pastebin.com/QV66TZFK | 04:07 |
| sarnold | boukmandutty: it looks like it shuold be working fine; it starts an X server on :1 listens for connections on tcp port 5901, starts the lxde window manager / environment.. | 04:09 |
| sarnold | boukmandutty: does netstat -anp | grep 5901 show it listening? | 04:09 |
| boukmandutty | Xtightvnc as listening but I am wondering if that is because I restarted it after loggin into lxde | 04:12 |
| sarnold | ah could be | 04:13 |
| boukmandutty | i am going to reboot and try again | 04:13 |
| boukmandutty | Interesting it still shows cp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5901 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1048/Xtightvnc | 04:18 |
| boukmandutty | but I cant connect from another machine | 04:18 |
| sarnold | hmm | 04:21 |
| sarnold | it's bound to localhost; I wonder if a public IP is available when it is starting? | 04:21 |
| boukmandutty | Do you think I should try setting a static ip instead of DHCP ? | 04:22 |
| sarnold | boukmandutty: check the configs, see if it is set to bind to localhost or if it is set to bind to * or 0.0.0.0 -- this one may be a bug... | 04:22 |
| sarnold | boukmandutty: not yet | 04:22 |
| sarnold | boukmandutty: if you want to for other reasons, go ahead, but this might be easier to reproduce with dhcp.. | 04:22 |
| boukmandutty | ok | 04:23 |
| boukmandutty | You mean the configs for vncserver? | 04:25 |
| sarnold | yeah | 04:26 |
| boukmandutty | Neither .vnc/xstartup nor /etc/init.d/vncserver have say anything about an ip address | 04:28 |
| sarnold | is there an /etc/defaults/*vnc* or /etc/*vnc* that would have such an address? | 04:29 |
| boukmandutty | I dont seem to have either of those folders | 04:31 |
| boukmandutty | trying to search to see where ubuntu server keeps the equivalent | 04:32 |
| sarnold | boukmandutty: time for me to bail, have fun, good luck :) | 04:35 |
| boukmandutty | hey | 04:35 |
| boukmandutty | thanks for the help man | 04:35 |
| boukmandutty | appreciate it | 04:35 |
| sarnold | you're welcome, I just wish we'd cracked this one first. | 04:35 |
| boukmandutty | know of any other way to adminsiter headless server? | 04:35 |
| boukmandutty | any other program i can use? | 04:36 |
| sarnold | I just ssh in | 04:36 |
| boukmandutty | ok will try that | 04:36 |
| sarnold | ssh X forwarding suffices for the handful of times I might want a GUI running on another machine.. | 04:36 |
| sarnold | ssh -X -Y hostname virt-manager & for example | 04:36 |
| boukmandutty | i will try ssh in and then running the vnc for now | 04:36 |
| boukmandutty | since it loads after startup | 04:37 |
| Voyage | I just created an amazon ec2 which requires me to login to ssh via a key.pem. that I am able to but now I want to add new users but not share the key. What I did was, created a new user and gave him password. Tried to login by ssh again but now it says "Permission denied (publickey)." why so? | 05:27 |
| cluelessperson | so I rm ed a log file, mail.log and it doesn't seem to have come back yet | 06:48 |
| cluelessperson | I'm trying to troubleshoot an issue | 06:49 |
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| Voyage | I wonder WHY everyone can read a file that I created......-rw-rw-r-- 1 developer developer-group 5 May 5 06:36 abc . I just used nano. if this is default behaviour of linux to give world wide read persmissions to any file that is creatd by any user; its bad. no? | 07:46 |
| bradm_ | Voyage: its configurable - read up about umask. umask 006 will make it not world readable. | 07:48 |
| ogra_ | no, it is good in collaborative multiuser environments ... you can always create a folder that only you can read and put your secret stuff in it as a user ... or as a sysadmin you can change the systemwide umask | 07:48 |
| Voyage | hm. but I though everything in /home/<user> is private and should not be implicitily r by all | 07:49 |
| bradm_ | what makes you think that? | 07:50 |
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| ogra_ | see /etc/login.defs there is an explanation in the comment section above the UMASK option | 07:50 |
| Voyage | I created a file, it has -rw-rw-r-- <-- this makes me thingk | 07:50 |
| bradm | that makes you think its private? | 07:51 |
| Voyage | the /home/user. is always private.. thats what home means | 07:51 |
| bradm | no, it really doesn't. | 07:52 |
| Voyage | hm | 07:52 |
| ogra_ | it only means it is your space on the filesystem, nothing more | 07:52 |
| bradm | you're making an invalid assumption, things are default setup as world readable - if you want to change it, fix the umask - either in /etc/login.defs, or in your private login files or similar | 07:52 |
| ogra_ | if it is private or not is up to the sysadmin to decide | 07:52 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:35 |
| jamespage | morning | 08:54 |
| caribou | Hi, is there a way with upstart to force a job to run before runlevel jobs kick in ? | 09:01 |
| caribou | I need to make sure that kdump runs before the Runlevel 2 jobs start, otherwise CEPH OSD start during a kernel dump | 09:02 |
| ozanhazer | hey... anybody know where the lxc container config files are when lxd is used? | 09:55 |
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| william_home | jamespage: I'm not always online but have you seen the bug report for the duplicate manpage in the cloud archive repository for ceph and ceph-deploy? | 12:02 |
| Teduardo | hmm, i'm still having throughput issues.. ahhhh lol | 12:41 |
| ozanhazer | Hi.. Where should I put my custom init script in ubuntu 15.04? /etc/systemd/system/my-custom.service or ..? | 12:44 |
| rbasak | ozanhazer: I believe that's the right place, yes. I'm not sure though. | 12:45 |
| ozanhazer | hmm /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants is better maybe.. thanks rbasak | 12:49 |
| Teduardo | I'm copying from one NVMe drive to another NVMe drive over NFS @ 10Gbps and I'm only getting 426MB/sec | 12:53 |
| Teduardo | boo | 12:54 |
| lordievader | Teduardo: To me that is still quite impressive ;) | 12:54 |
| Teduardo | unless you were the one that paid $2k each for the NVMe drives | 12:54 |
| Teduardo | should easily be able to saturate 10G | 12:56 |
| patdk-wk | heh? | 12:56 |
| patdk-wk | why? | 12:56 |
| patdk-wk | you have nvme speed to worry about, network latency, and tcp | 12:56 |
| patdk-wk | did you tune your tcp for 10gbe? | 12:57 |
| Teduardo | No, I assumed that 14.04 was pretty much tuned | 12:58 |
| OpenTokix | Teduardo: it is not | 12:58 |
| OpenTokix | Teduardo: What 10Gnics do you have? | 12:59 |
| Teduardo | still iperf shows sustained line rate | 12:59 |
| patdk-wk | tuning for 10gbe would cause 1gbe to suffer | 12:59 |
| Teduardo | X710DA-2 | 12:59 |
| OpenTokix | Teduardo: For filecopy I would use dd and nc | 12:59 |
| OpenTokix | if its single, very large files | 12:59 |
| Teduardo | im still just testing/benchmarking everything | 12:59 |
| OpenTokix | Teduardo: And your subsystem can handle suntained writes/reads at 1GByte/sec? | 13:01 |
| Teduardo | One of the servers is dual E5 2620 and the other is a dual E5 2620v3 | 13:01 |
| Teduardo | i would imagine that the PCIe in those can do 1GB | 13:02 |
| OpenTokix | But you said you copied files? | 13:03 |
| OpenTokix | over nfs | 13:04 |
| Teduardo | yes. | 13:04 |
| patdk-wk | oh, nfs | 13:04 |
| OpenTokix | Where does those files end up? | 13:04 |
| Teduardo | mounted nvme => nfs => mounted nvme | 13:04 |
| patdk-wk | that changes things a good amount | 13:04 |
| OpenTokix | nfs isnt exactly superfast, and it is the nfs-kernel-server? | 13:04 |
| Teduardo | but even doing dd bs=8m if=/run/shm/testfile of=/nvme/testfile it only does 500MB/sec | 13:05 |
| Teduardo | which is insane | 13:05 |
| Teduardo | from ram to an nvme | 13:05 |
| Teduardo | 500MB? | 13:05 |
| Teduardo | (locally I mean) | 13:05 |
| Teduardo | on one of the systems | 13:05 |
| patdk-wk | doesn't sound like your using nvme | 13:06 |
| OpenTokix | Teduardo: you are talking about the PCIe SSD from intel? Newly released? | 13:06 |
| Teduardo | yes, the DC P3700 | 13:06 |
| patdk-wk | what slot in your motherboard is it in? | 13:06 |
| patdk-wk | and what motherboard? | 13:06 |
| OpenTokix | ok, 400GB? | 13:06 |
| Teduardo | yeah, its the 400GB cause those were the only ones I could get. | 13:06 |
| OpenTokix | That has 900MB/s sekvential write theoretical max | 13:07 |
| Teduardo | on subsequent runs writing from local ram to local NVM sped up to about 685MB/s | 13:07 |
| Teduardo | okay, reading from the NVM to the ram went at 1.3GB/s | 13:08 |
| OpenTokix | Where they will shine is for random writes and reads at the time time | 13:08 |
| OpenTokix | yes | 13:08 |
| OpenTokix | 2,2GB/sec theoretical max | 13:08 |
| Teduardo | okay so at least i know the NVM is reading at least 10Gbps | 13:08 |
| OpenTokix | yes | 13:08 |
| Teduardo | now i just need that to go through the NIC to the other machine. | 13:09 |
| OpenTokix | How are they connected? p2p or via switch? | 13:09 |
| Teduardo | just a da2 cable | 13:09 |
| OpenTokix | ok | 13:09 |
| Teduardo | seems like from nvme to the raid-10 fs locally it does about 480MB/s which i doubt is a real number | 13:11 |
| OpenTokix | Why not? | 13:12 |
| Teduardo | 8x4TB drives with default stripes... | 13:12 |
| OpenTokix | Raid-10 on mechanical drives, have very fast sequential write/read performance. | 13:12 |
| Teduardo | i thought it would be like ~300 | 13:12 |
| Teduardo | or i would be happy with a sustained 300 | 13:13 |
| Teduardo | the actual issue I am having is sustained throughput between a 8x4TB R-10 on machine a and a 8x4TB R-10 on machine B. the throughput in rsync stops at 200MB/s | 13:14 |
| Teduardo | and drops down to 80MB regularly | 13:14 |
| OpenTokix | Teduardo: What switches are you using for rsync? | 13:15 |
| OpenTokix | And how much data and how many files? | 13:15 |
| Teduardo | just rsync -a --progress src_file dst_file | 13:15 |
| OpenTokix | ok | 13:15 |
| Teduardo | but like i said it's over nfs | 13:16 |
| OpenTokix | rsync is not so good for transfers of very large files 1Gbyte+ - since its hashing will use a lot of resources then | 13:16 |
| OpenTokix | so try to slap on --whole-file | 13:16 |
| OpenTokix | and see if its more liniar | 13:16 |
| patdk-wk | 8 4tb disks should be approx 4*120MB/sec | 13:16 |
| patdk-wk | sounds like 480MB is valid | 13:16 |
| patdk-wk | rsync depends on filesize | 13:17 |
| patdk-wk | the smaller the files, the slower it will go | 13:17 |
| Teduardo | OpenTokix: it started at 218 then dipped down to 80 and now it's just bouncing between 218 and 80 every few seconds. it's a single 50GB file for this test. | 13:17 |
| OpenTokix | Teduardo: ok, try --whole-file - but rsync is not the best tool for that | 13:18 |
| Teduardo | 174.32MB/s | 13:27 |
| jrwren | iirc rsync doesn't rsync on a local system. it becomes copy. | 13:28 |
| jrwren | if you are copying 1 file, using cp is going to use much less resources and be faster. | 13:30 |
| Teduardo | yea, this is just a test to see what the hardware is capable of | 13:31 |
| Teduardo | so that i can then yell at the software provider to see why it runs at 30MB/sec | 13:32 |
| jrwren | from the man page for the -W option: "This is the default when both the source and destination are specified as local paths" | 13:32 |
| jrwren | bonnie++ is a nice at telling of what hardware is capable | 13:32 |
| Teduardo | well, its a client/server setup | 13:33 |
| jrwren | ok. sounded like src_file and dst_file were both local paths. rsync doesn't know that one of those is NFS and do any magic. | 13:33 |
| Teduardo | ah | 13:33 |
| jcastro | jamespage, ping | 13:35 |
| hallyn | rbasak: ok, i'll take a look at the code (next time it bugs me, which should be soon), thanks | 13:35 |
| jamespage | hey jcastro | 13:35 |
| jcastro | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/2015-05-05/ | 13:35 |
| jcastro | there are two openstack sessions today | 13:35 |
| jcastro | (they are currently white on the schedule, I am trying to make them green) | 13:36 |
| jamespage | jcastro, hmm - not sure these are really uds topics? | 13:37 |
| jcastro | well they were submitted and pat had me approve them | 13:37 |
| jcastro | not sure what to do now | 13:37 |
| jamespage | jcastro, who by? | 13:37 |
| jcastro | https://launchpad.net/~su-zhang submitted the congress one | 13:38 |
| jcastro | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/rally-neutron-metering-scenarios is the other one | 13:38 |
| jamespage | jcastro, I think these are confused - they should be targetting the openstatck design summit | 13:46 |
| jamespage | not the ubuntu developer summit | 13:46 |
| jamespage | rally is an upstream openstack project | 13:46 |
| jamespage | and the congress/keystone conversation is similar to that - upstream oriented | 13:46 |
| jamespage | william_home, hello | 13:47 |
| william_home | jamespage: hello | 13:47 |
| jamespage | william_home, this one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1450175 ? | 13:48 |
| jcastro | jamespage, should I cancel them then? | 13:48 |
| jcastro | and mail the individual folks? | 13:48 |
| jamespage | jcastro, I would yes | 13:48 |
| jcastro | ok on it | 13:48 |
| william_home | jamespage: yes | 13:48 |
| jamespage | redirect them to the openstack design summit submissions process | 13:48 |
| jcastro | ack, I'll sort it | 13:49 |
| jcastro | jamespage, are there any sessions you plan to have? | 13:49 |
| Teduardo | i wish there was a way to know what resource it's running out of when the throughput backs off | 13:49 |
| jamespage | jcastro, we have two on thursday | 13:50 |
| jamespage | for openstack | 13:50 |
| * jcastro nods, ok | 13:51 | |
| jamespage | jcastro, just checking with the ceph guys to see if they want to have one | 13:53 |
| jamespage | william_home, I guess we could include an updated ceph-deploy - I am making the assumption that the newer version does not exhibit the same problem :-) | 13:59 |
| william_home | jamespage: I have created from github a new package https://github.com/ceph/ceph-deploy | 14:01 |
| william_home | but I guess that it woul be better that ceph-deploy gets its man page in its own package rather then that it is deployed in here: https://github.com/ceph/ceph/tree/master/doc/man/8 | 14:02 |
| william_home | oh and the package from github does not contain any man page :) | 14:03 |
| smoser | rbasak, or anyone, i'm looking at getting python2 out of cloud-image | 15:17 |
| smoser | i know that landscape-client and landscape-common are one of the reasons. | 15:17 |
| smoser | i apt-get remove them. | 15:17 |
| smoser | then, | 15:18 |
| smoser | apt-get remove libpython2.7 python | 15:18 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/10990424/ | 15:18 |
| smoser | how can i know why each of those things is there. | 15:18 |
| smoser | as for example, i can: | 15:18 |
| smoser | apt-get remove python-twisted-web | 15:19 |
| smoser | and there are no additional things removed.. ie, it doens't look like its depended on. | 15:19 |
| smoser | but 'apt-get autoremove' doesn't clean anything | 15:19 |
| smoser | i know that vim is holding some stuff, but owuld like to know what else... | 15:19 |
| smoser | looking for a way to do such a thing. | 15:20 |
| rbasak | smoser: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/rdepends/python2.7/libpython2.7 maybe? | 15:21 |
| smoser | but how do i know why 'python-serial' was there in the first place | 15:26 |
| Odd_Bloke | smoser: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/cloud-image ? | 15:28 |
| rbasak | python-serial isn't in that pastebin | 15:28 |
| rbasak | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/rdepends/twisted/python-twisted-core though shows how that got in. | 15:28 |
| rbasak | If you want libpython2.7 out of main, then http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/rdepends/python2.7/libpython2.7 shows you what you need to clear. | 15:29 |
| rbasak | (I think it follows both a and b for "a | b" though, so there will be some extra stuff in there) | 15:29 |
| rbasak | If you only care about particular seeds, then just search the file for instances of the seed you're after. | 15:30 |
| rbasak | 'apt-get autoremove' won't work because IIRC all the default stuff gets marked as "manually installed". | 15:31 |
| rbasak | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/rdepends/twisted/python-twisted-core suggests that python-twisted-web got installed because of landscape-client. | 15:32 |
| rbasak | But since autoremove doesn't work, I think a better approach is to follow the tree from germinate-output rather than trying to follow it with apt on a live system. | 15:33 |
| Odd_Bloke | You could potentially write a 'for installed package { if package not in seed { mark package as automatically installed } }' sort of a script, but I don't know if that actually gains you anything. | 15:35 |
| Onionnion | is there a way to see what packages would be upgraded and to what version with a do-release-upgrade without any changes made to the system? | 16:07 |
| smoser | Onionnion, i dont know if theere is a dry-run for it or not. but you could: | 16:21 |
| smoser | back up /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 16:21 |
| smoser | sed 's,<release-1>,<release-2>' -i /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 16:22 |
| smoser | apt-get update | 16:22 |
| smoser | apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run | 16:22 |
| smoser | replace backd up sources.list | 16:22 |
| Onionnion | so to just adjust the sources file to point to the newer release and dry-run in apt-get? | 16:25 |
| Daviey | smoser: do-release-upgrade -s ? | 16:33 |
| smoser | that'd ake sense. | 16:33 |
| smoser | i didn't know if that worked any more | 16:33 |
| smoser | but that'd do a ton of download and such if it id id | 16:33 |
| DeMiNe0 | I hate how vmware workstation's virtual network nat service will just randomly shit on you. | 16:52 |
| mbroadst | hey is jeos and ubuntu-vm-builder dead? is there a tool that supersedes that combo? | 17:14 |
| rbasak | mbroadst: cloud images, uvtool and mount-image-callback. | 17:15 |
| rbasak | mbroadst: or alternatively the ubuntu core images I suppose | 17:15 |
| rbasak | and snappy. | 17:15 |
| ogra_ | yeah, snappy ubuntu-core | 17:16 |
| mbroadst | I got the impression snappy was sort of a coreos + docker competitor? | 17:17 |
| jeffreylevesque | if i have a virtualbox instance of ubuntu server 14.04, can i access the default webcam of the server? | 17:19 |
| bekks | Depends on how it is connected to your computer, technically. | 17:20 |
| mbroadst | rbasak: I guess what I'm looking for really is something that allows me to automate the creation of a raw ubuntu-baed disk image | 17:20 |
| mbroadst | ubuntu-server based image that is | 17:21 |
| ogra_ | mbroadst, snappy is embedded, cloud ... soon the base for desktop and phone too ... and yes, you can use a docker framework on top of it | 17:21 |
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| ogra_ | essentially it is the future design of ubuntu | 17:21 |
| rbasak | mbroadst: start with a cloud image. Use mount-image-callback to modify it. Create /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/ inside it, and userdata and metadata files for cloud-init. | 17:22 |
| rbasak | mbroadst: then just boot that image. | 17:22 |
| rbasak | mbroadst: see the output of "cloud-localds" for an example of userdata and metadata files | 17:22 |
| mbroadst | rbasak: so you're suggesting cloud images + uvtool over snappy then | 17:23 |
| rbasak | mbroadst: depends on what you're trying to do. | 17:23 |
| rbasak | snappy is a great new model with many improvements over the traditional model. | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | snappy currently still means you will have to roll your own project snap packages | 17:23 |
| rbasak | But it involves having maintained snaps for everything you need (or you maintain them yourself) | 17:23 |
| rbasak | Right. | 17:23 |
| rbasak | If you already have stuff that fits the traditional model, you can use cloud images instead. | 17:24 |
| ogra_ | if you are willing to invest into that, snappy should be your choice, else use cloud images | 17:24 |
| mbroadst | well what exactly constitutes a snap in this context, a single app like mysql, or a segment of the file system (/opt/something) | 17:24 |
| rbasak | mbroadst: if you just want to fire up a VM, uvtool wraps that all for you. | 17:24 |
| ogra_ | a bundle ... | 17:25 |
| rbasak | A segment of the file system | 17:25 |
| rbasak | I suppose you could bundle everything you want into one snap. | 17:25 |
| rbasak | (that you maintain yourself) | 17:25 |
| ogra_ | you can see a snap like a bundle of services confiugured in your preferred way | 17:25 |
| mbroadst | and each of the snap are like a ro aufs overlay or something | 17:25 |
| rbasak | But, for example, I don't want to maintain my own mysql snap - I want to use existing mysql packaging | 17:25 |
| ogra_ | i.e. i could roll lamp_ogra.snap which has my personal setup of mysql, apache etc in it ... and always re-use it ... installing it will run it in a confined corner of the filesystem ... if i messed up security or whatever nothing can break out of it ... if i add a fix and the fix is broken, snappy allows me seamless rollback of the whole snap | 17:27 |
| rbasak | ogra_: anything on the roadmap for Juju integration? | 17:28 |
| rbasak | I want separate snaps with relations between then :) | 17:28 |
| rbasak | them | 17:28 |
| ogra_ | i guess so, i dont know the snappy roadmap yet (just changed teams) | 17:28 |
| jeffreylevesque | so, if i have ubuntu 14.04 server in virtualbox, can i access the webcam? | 17:35 |
| jeffreylevesque | ;'( | 17:35 |
| patdk-wk | dunno, ask virtualbox | 17:35 |
| rbasak | For a USB webcam? USB passthrough is not uncommon. KVM can do it I think. Maybe virtualbox can too? | 17:36 |
| mbroadst | ogra_: seems like snappy requires a decent amount of user interaction. I'm trying to automate the build of reproducible images. Ideally I'd be using something like bitbake/yocto, but ubuntu certification is required by the customer | 17:36 |
| ogra_ | well, snappy surely comes closer to a bitbake or yocto binary result here | 17:37 |
| mbroadst | okay maybe I'm missing the automated integration of snaps | 17:37 |
| mbroadst | I'm checking out the webcam example | 17:38 |
| ogra_ | but it definitely is at a point where you have to do a bit more work still | 17:38 |
| mbroadst | it seems like I can automate the building of the snaps | 17:38 |
| mbroadst | but actually loading them in is manual | 17:38 |
| mbroadst | I can't just pop out a raw disk image with the snaps in them right? | 17:38 |
| rbasak | I presume the ability to build a snappy+snaps image is a primary use case for IoT. I would assume that you can do that. | 17:38 |
| rbasak | mbroadst: so maybe try #snappy? They know far more about this than just me and ogra_ :) | 17:39 |
| mbroadst | ah, right :) | 17:39 |
| mbroadst | sorry got a little lost in the twenty tabs of concurrent reading over here :) | 17:39 |
| rbasak | I am curious about the answer though | 17:39 |
| YamakasY | has anyone a preseed template for softraid ? | 17:44 |
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| jrwren | is it me, or is this documentation simply wrong? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#pre-start | 19:24 |
| sarnold | jrwren: what part/ | 20:05 |
| jrwren | it does not seem to mix with dpkg | 20:06 |
| jrwren | i have a debian/upstart script and the stop; exit 0; causes the invoke-rc.d to return a non-zero exit which dpkg hates | 20:06 |
| jrwren | I'd thought this was a common pattern, but it seems it isn't. | 20:07 |
| sarnold | ahh :) | 20:09 |
| jrwren | any suggestions or places to look? | 20:10 |
| sarnold | no, sorry | 20:11 |
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| jrwren | decided to override the dh_installinst generated postinst. it works. | 20:39 |
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