[01:36] <zaggah> Greetings
[01:36] <zaggah> new here
[01:36] <zaggah> can anyone tell me if vnc works on latest ubuntu server
[01:37] <zaggah> It loads at startup but I cant seem to connect to it
[01:38] <zaggah> I am trying to run a headless server for mythtv
[02:01] <harushimo> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack
[02:01] <harushimo> does this need to be on every node?
[02:39] <sarnold> harushimo: no; maas and landscape will know how to install ubuntu and openstack on the other nodes
[02:40] <harushimo> those instrucations are reflecting for the main node
[02:40] <harushimo> I mean instructinos
[02:40] <harushimo> I mean instructions
[02:40] <sarnold> harushimo: yeah; thanks for the link, that looks really useful :)
[02:40] <harushimo> not a problem
[02:41] <harushimo> This is my 6th attempt at openstack
[02:41] <harushimo> I get closer everytime
[02:41] <sarnold> I know the feeling.
[02:42] <harushimo> one tip about maas.ip
[02:43] <harushimo> to get the page: you need the ip of the VM and load it in the browser
[02:44] <sarnold> whenever I lose one of my machines, I always use nmap to find it again; nmap 192.168.1.0/24 -p 80   or something like that, to scan the subnet for port 80
[02:44] <harushimo> interesting
[02:45] <sarnold> (I almost always scan for ssh on 22 instead of httpd on 80, since the machines I care about more often have ssh open, but 80 might be faster to find a machine with web control thingy live..)
[02:45] <harushimo> right
[03:47] <boukmandutty> Need some help configuring a headless server
[03:47] <boukmandutty> cant seem to get vnc to load properly at boot
[03:51] <sarnold> boukmandutty: what errors are you gettting?
[03:52] <boukmandutty> I get this
[03:52] <boukmandutty> Active: active (running) since Mon 2015-05-04 22:40:59 CDT; 10min ago
[03:52] <boukmandutty>   Process: 933 ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS
[03:52] <boukmandutty> oops
[03:52] <boukmandutty> typo
[03:52] <boukmandutty> vncserver.service - (null)
[03:52] <boukmandutty>    Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/vncserver)
[03:52] <boukmandutty>    Active: active (exited) since Mon 2015-05-04 22:41:06 CDT; 11min ago
[03:53] <boukmandutty> I notice it exits when booting up
[03:53] <boukmandutty> I had set it to load at boot
[03:53] <sarnold> boukmandutty: anything in the logs?
[03:54] <boukmandutty> But I am then able to load it once I log into lxde
[03:55] <boukmandutty> 04/05/15 22:41:05 Xvnc version TightVNC-1.3.10
[03:55] <boukmandutty> 04/05/15 22:41:05 Copyright (C) 2000-2009 TightVNC Group
[03:55] <boukmandutty> 04/05/15 22:41:05 Copyright (C) 1999 AT&T Laboratories Cambridge
[03:55] <boukmandutty> 04/05/15 22:41:05 All Rights Reserved.
[03:55] <boukmandutty> 04/05/15 22:41:05 See http://www.tightvnc.com/ for information on TightVNC
[03:55] <boukmandutty> 04/05/15 22:41:05 Desktop name 'X' (ubunserver:1)
[03:55] <boukmandutty> 04/05/15 22:41:05 Protocol versions supported: 3.3, 3.7, 3.8, 3.7t, 3.8t
[03:56] <boukmandutty> 04/05/15 22:41:05 Listening for VNC connections on TCP port 5901
[03:56] <boukmandutty> Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/' not found - ignoring
[03:56] <boukmandutty> Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/' not found - ignoring
[03:56] <boukmandutty> Font directory '/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/' not found - ignoring
[03:56] <boukmandutty> ** Message: main.vala:99: Session is Lubuntu
[03:56] <boukmandutty> ** Message: main.vala:100: DE is (null)
[03:56] <boukmandutty> ** Message: main.vala:110: No desktop environnement set, fallback to LXDE
[03:56] <boukmandutty> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":1".
[03:56] <boukmandutty> ** Message: main.vala:131: log directory: /home/boukmandutty/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu
[03:56] <boukmandutty> ** Message: main.vala:132: log path: /home/boukmandutty/.cache/lxsession/Lubuntu/run.log
[03:56] <boukmandutty> I am running ubuntu server 15.04
[03:58] <boukmandutty> The full message when I run "systemctl status vncserver.service -l" is as follows
[03:58] <sarnold> .. please use a pastebin :)
[04:02] <boukmandutty> http://pastebin.com/nfAdbkyC
[04:03] <sarnold> thanks :)
[04:03] <boukmandutty> Sorry about the flooding above
[04:04] <boukmandutty> Havent used irc in a bit
[04:04] <sarnold> what's in /home/boukmandutty/.vnc/ubunserver:1.log
[04:07] <boukmandutty> http://pastebin.com/QV66TZFK
[04:09] <sarnold> boukmandutty: it looks like it shuold be working fine; it starts an X server on :1 listens for connections on tcp port 5901, starts the lxde window manager / environment..
[04:09] <sarnold> boukmandutty: does netstat -anp | grep 5901 show it listening?
[04:12] <boukmandutty> Xtightvnc as listening but I am wondering if that is because I restarted it after loggin into lxde
[04:13] <sarnold> ah could be
[04:13] <boukmandutty> i am going to reboot and try again
[04:18] <boukmandutty> Interesting it still shows  cp        0      0 127.0.0.1:5901          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1048/Xtightvnc
[04:18] <boukmandutty> but I cant connect from another machine
[04:21] <sarnold> hmm
[04:21] <sarnold> it's bound to localhost; I wonder if a public IP is available when it is starting?
[04:22] <boukmandutty> Do you think I should try setting a static ip instead of DHCP ?
[04:22] <sarnold> boukmandutty: check the configs, see if it is set to bind to localhost or if it is set to bind to * or 0.0.0.0 -- this one may be a bug...
[04:22] <sarnold> boukmandutty: not yet
[04:22] <sarnold> boukmandutty: if you want to for other reasons, go ahead, but this might be easier to reproduce with dhcp..
[04:23] <boukmandutty> ok
[04:25] <boukmandutty> You mean the configs for vncserver?
[04:26] <sarnold> yeah
[04:28] <boukmandutty> Neither .vnc/xstartup nor /etc/init.d/vncserver have say anything about an ip address
[04:29] <sarnold> is there an /etc/defaults/*vnc* or /etc/*vnc* that would have such an address?
[04:31] <boukmandutty> I dont seem to have either of those folders
[04:32] <boukmandutty> trying to search to see where ubuntu server keeps the equivalent
[04:35] <sarnold> boukmandutty: time for me to bail, have fun, good luck :)
[04:35] <boukmandutty> hey
[04:35] <boukmandutty> thanks for the help man
[04:35] <boukmandutty> appreciate it
[04:35] <sarnold> you're welcome, I just wish we'd cracked this one first.
[04:35] <boukmandutty> know of any other way to adminsiter headless server?
[04:36] <boukmandutty> any other program i can use?
[04:36] <sarnold> I just ssh in
[04:36] <boukmandutty> ok will try that
[04:36] <sarnold> ssh X forwarding suffices for the handful of times I might want a GUI running on another machine..
[04:36] <sarnold> ssh -X -Y hostname virt-manager &    for example
[04:36] <boukmandutty> i will  try ssh in and then running the vnc for now
[04:37] <boukmandutty> since it loads after startup
[05:27] <Voyage> I just created an amazon ec2 which requires me to login to ssh via a key.pem. that I am able to but now I want to add new users but not share the key. What I did was, created a new user and gave him password. Tried to login by ssh again but now it says  "Permission denied (publickey)." why so?
[06:48] <cluelessperson> so I rm  ed a log file, mail.log and it doesn't seem to have come back yet
[06:49] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to troubleshoot an issue
[07:46] <Voyage>  I wonder WHY everyone can read a file that I created......-rw-rw-r--  1 developer developer-group        5 May  5 06:36 abc . I just used nano. if this is default behaviour of linux to give world wide read persmissions to any file that is creatd by any user; its bad. no?
[07:48] <bradm_> Voyage: its configurable - read up about umask.  umask 006 will make it not world readable.
[07:48] <ogra_> no, it is good in collaborative multiuser environments ... you can always create a folder that only you can read and put your secret stuff in it as a user ... or as a sysadmin you can change the systemwide umask
[07:49] <Voyage> hm. but I though everything in /home/<user> is private and should not be implicitily    r   by all
[07:50] <bradm_> what makes you think that?
[07:50] <ogra_> see /etc/login.defs there is an explanation in the comment section above the UMASK option
[07:50] <Voyage> I created a file, it has -rw-rw-r-- <-- this makes me thingk
[07:51] <bradm> that makes you think its private?
[07:51] <Voyage> the /home/user. is always private.. thats what home means
[07:52] <bradm> no, it really doesn't.
[07:52] <Voyage> hm
[07:52] <ogra_> it only means it is your space on the filesystem, nothing more
[07:52] <bradm> you're making an invalid assumption, things are default setup as world readable - if you want to change it, fix the umask - either in /etc/login.defs, or in your private login files or similar
[07:52] <ogra_> if it is private or not is up to the sysadmin to decide
[08:35] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54] <jamespage> morning
[09:01] <caribou> Hi, is there a way with upstart to force a job to run before runlevel jobs kick in ?
[09:02] <caribou> I need to make sure that kdump runs before the Runlevel 2 jobs start, otherwise CEPH OSD start during a kernel dump
[09:55] <ozanhazer> hey... anybody know where the lxc container config files are when lxd is used?
[12:02] <william_home> jamespage: I'm not always online but have you seen the bug report for the duplicate manpage in the cloud archive repository for ceph and ceph-deploy?
[12:41] <Teduardo> hmm, i'm still having throughput issues.. ahhhh lol
[12:44] <ozanhazer> Hi.. Where should I put my custom init script in ubuntu 15.04? /etc/systemd/system/my-custom.service or ..?
[12:45] <rbasak> ozanhazer: I believe that's the right place, yes. I'm not sure though.
[12:49] <ozanhazer> hmm /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants is better maybe.. thanks rbasak
[12:53] <Teduardo> I'm copying from one NVMe drive to another NVMe drive over NFS @ 10Gbps and I'm only getting 426MB/sec
[12:54] <Teduardo> boo
[12:54] <lordievader> Teduardo: To me that is still quite impressive ;)
[12:54] <Teduardo> unless you were the one that paid $2k each for the NVMe drives
[12:56] <Teduardo> should easily be able to saturate 10G
[12:56] <patdk-wk> heh?
[12:56] <patdk-wk> why?
[12:56] <patdk-wk> you have nvme speed to worry about, network latency, and tcp
[12:57] <patdk-wk> did you tune your tcp for 10gbe?
[12:58] <Teduardo> No, I assumed that 14.04 was pretty much tuned
[12:58] <OpenTokix> Teduardo: it is not
[12:59] <OpenTokix> Teduardo: What 10Gnics do you have?
[12:59] <Teduardo> still iperf shows sustained line rate
[12:59] <patdk-wk> tuning for 10gbe would cause 1gbe to suffer
[12:59] <Teduardo> X710DA-2
[12:59] <OpenTokix> Teduardo: For filecopy I would use dd and nc
[12:59] <OpenTokix> if its single, very large files
[12:59] <Teduardo> im still just testing/benchmarking everything
[13:01] <OpenTokix> Teduardo: And your subsystem can handle suntained writes/reads at 1GByte/sec?
[13:01] <Teduardo> One of the servers is dual E5 2620 and the other is a dual E5 2620v3
[13:02] <Teduardo> i would imagine that the PCIe in those can do 1GB
[13:03] <OpenTokix> But you said you copied files?
[13:04] <OpenTokix> over nfs
[13:04] <Teduardo> yes.
[13:04] <patdk-wk> oh, nfs
[13:04] <OpenTokix> Where does those files end up?
[13:04] <Teduardo> mounted nvme => nfs => mounted nvme
[13:04] <patdk-wk> that changes things a good amount
[13:04] <OpenTokix> nfs isnt exactly superfast, and it is the nfs-kernel-server?
[13:05] <Teduardo> but even doing dd bs=8m if=/run/shm/testfile of=/nvme/testfile it only does 500MB/sec
[13:05] <Teduardo> which is insane
[13:05] <Teduardo> from ram to an nvme
[13:05] <Teduardo> 500MB?
[13:05] <Teduardo> (locally I mean)
[13:05] <Teduardo> on one of the systems
[13:06] <patdk-wk> doesn't sound like your using nvme
[13:06] <OpenTokix> Teduardo: you are talking about the PCIe SSD from intel? Newly released?
[13:06] <Teduardo> yes, the DC P3700
[13:06] <patdk-wk> what slot in your motherboard is it in?
[13:06] <patdk-wk> and what motherboard?
[13:06] <OpenTokix> ok, 400GB?
[13:06] <Teduardo> yeah, its the 400GB cause those were the only ones I could get.
[13:07] <OpenTokix> That has 900MB/s sekvential write theoretical max
[13:07] <Teduardo> on subsequent runs writing from local ram to local NVM sped up to about 685MB/s
[13:08] <Teduardo> okay, reading from the NVM to the ram went at 1.3GB/s
[13:08] <OpenTokix> Where they will shine is for random writes and reads at the time time
[13:08] <OpenTokix> yes
[13:08] <OpenTokix> 2,2GB/sec theoretical max
[13:08] <Teduardo> okay so at least i know the NVM is reading at least 10Gbps
[13:08] <OpenTokix> yes
[13:09] <Teduardo> now i just need that to go through the NIC to the other machine.
[13:09] <OpenTokix> How are they connected? p2p or via switch?
[13:09] <Teduardo> just a da2 cable
[13:09] <OpenTokix> ok
[13:11] <Teduardo> seems like from nvme to the raid-10 fs locally it does about 480MB/s which i doubt is a real number
[13:12] <OpenTokix> Why not?
[13:12] <Teduardo> 8x4TB drives with default stripes...
[13:12] <OpenTokix> Raid-10 on mechanical drives, have very fast sequential write/read performance.
[13:12] <Teduardo> i thought it would be like ~300
[13:13] <Teduardo> or i would be happy with a sustained 300
[13:14] <Teduardo> the actual issue I am having is sustained throughput between a 8x4TB R-10 on machine a and a 8x4TB R-10 on machine B. the throughput in rsync stops at 200MB/s
[13:14] <Teduardo> and drops down to 80MB regularly
[13:15] <OpenTokix> Teduardo: What switches are you using for rsync?
[13:15] <OpenTokix> And how much data and how many files?
[13:15] <Teduardo> just rsync -a --progress src_file dst_file
[13:15] <OpenTokix> ok
[13:16] <Teduardo> but like i said it's over nfs
[13:16] <OpenTokix> rsync is not so good for transfers of very large files 1Gbyte+ - since its hashing will use a lot of resources then
[13:16] <OpenTokix> so try to slap on --whole-file
[13:16] <OpenTokix> and see if its more liniar
[13:16] <patdk-wk> 8 4tb disks should be approx 4*120MB/sec
[13:16] <patdk-wk> sounds like 480MB is valid
[13:17] <patdk-wk> rsync depends on filesize
[13:17] <patdk-wk> the smaller the files, the slower it will go
[13:17] <Teduardo> OpenTokix: it started at 218 then dipped down to 80 and now it's just bouncing between 218 and 80 every few seconds. it's a single 50GB file for this test.
[13:18] <OpenTokix> Teduardo: ok, try --whole-file  - but rsync is not the best tool for that
[13:27] <Teduardo> 174.32MB/s
[13:28] <jrwren> iirc rsync doesn't rsync on a local system. it becomes copy.
[13:30] <jrwren> if you are copying 1 file, using cp is going to use much less resources and be faster.
[13:31] <Teduardo> yea, this is just a test to see what the hardware is capable of
[13:32] <Teduardo> so that i can then yell at the software provider to see why it runs at 30MB/sec
[13:32] <jrwren> from the man page for the -W option: "This is the default when both the source and destination are specified as local paths"
[13:32] <jrwren> bonnie++ is a nice at telling of what hardware is capable
[13:33] <Teduardo> well, its a client/server setup
[13:33] <jrwren> ok. sounded like src_file and dst_file were both local paths. rsync doesn't know that one of those is NFS and do any magic.
[13:33] <Teduardo> ah
[13:35] <jcastro> jamespage, ping
[13:35] <hallyn> rbasak: ok, i'll take a look at the code (next time it bugs me, which should be soon), thanks
[13:35] <jamespage> hey jcastro
[13:35] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/2015-05-05/
[13:35] <jcastro> there are two openstack sessions today
[13:36] <jcastro> (they are currently white on the schedule, I am trying to make them green)
[13:37] <jamespage> jcastro, hmm - not sure these are really uds topics?
[13:37] <jcastro> well they were submitted and pat had me approve them
[13:37] <jcastro> not sure what to do now
[13:37] <jamespage> jcastro, who by?
[13:38] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/~su-zhang submitted the congress one
[13:38] <jcastro> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/rally-neutron-metering-scenarios is the other one
[13:46] <jamespage> jcastro, I think these are confused - they should be targetting the openstatck design summit
[13:46] <jamespage> not the ubuntu developer summit
[13:46] <jamespage> rally is an upstream openstack project
[13:46] <jamespage> and the congress/keystone conversation is similar to that - upstream oriented
[13:47] <jamespage> william_home, hello
[13:47] <william_home> jamespage: hello
[13:48] <jamespage> william_home, this one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1450175 ?
[13:48] <jcastro> jamespage, should I cancel them then?
[13:48] <jcastro> and mail the individual folks?
[13:48] <jamespage> jcastro, I would yes
[13:48] <jcastro> ok on it
[13:48] <william_home> jamespage: yes
[13:48] <jamespage> redirect them to the openstack design summit submissions process
[13:49] <jcastro> ack, I'll sort it
[13:49] <jcastro> jamespage, are there any sessions you plan to have?
[13:49] <Teduardo> i wish there was a way to know what resource it's running out of when the throughput backs off
[13:50] <jamespage> jcastro, we have two on thursday
[13:50] <jamespage> for openstack
[13:51]  * jcastro nods, ok
[13:53] <jamespage> jcastro, just checking with the ceph guys to see if they want to have one
[13:59] <jamespage> william_home, I guess we could include an updated ceph-deploy - I am making the assumption that the newer version does not exhibit the same problem :-)
[14:01] <william_home> jamespage: I have created from github a new package https://github.com/ceph/ceph-deploy
[14:02] <william_home> but I guess that it woul be better that ceph-deploy gets its man page in its own package rather then that it is deployed in here: https://github.com/ceph/ceph/tree/master/doc/man/8
[14:03] <william_home> oh and the package from github does not contain any man page :)
[15:17] <smoser> rbasak, or anyone, i'm looking at getting python2 out of cloud-image
[15:17] <smoser> i know that landscape-client and landscape-common are one of the reasons.
[15:17] <smoser> i apt-get remove them.
[15:18] <smoser> then,
[15:18] <smoser> apt-get remove libpython2.7 python
[15:18] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10990424/
[15:18] <smoser> how can i know why each of those things is there.
[15:18] <smoser> as for example, i can:
[15:19] <smoser> apt-get remove python-twisted-web
[15:19] <smoser> and there are no additional things removed.. ie, it doens't look like its depended on.
[15:19] <smoser> but 'apt-get autoremove' doesn't clean anything
[15:19] <smoser> i know that vim is holding some stuff, but owuld like to know what else...
[15:20] <smoser> looking for a way to do such a thing.
[15:21] <rbasak> smoser: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/rdepends/python2.7/libpython2.7 maybe?
[15:26] <smoser> but how do i know why 'python-serial' was there in the first place
[15:28] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/cloud-image ?
[15:28] <rbasak> python-serial isn't in that pastebin
[15:28] <rbasak> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/rdepends/twisted/python-twisted-core though shows how that got in.
[15:29] <rbasak> If you want libpython2.7 out of main, then http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/rdepends/python2.7/libpython2.7 shows you what you need to clear.
[15:29] <rbasak> (I think it follows both a and b for "a | b" though, so there will be some extra stuff in there)
[15:30] <rbasak> If you only care about particular seeds, then just search the file for instances of the seed you're after.
[15:31] <rbasak> 'apt-get autoremove' won't work because IIRC all the default stuff gets marked as "manually installed".
[15:32] <rbasak> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.vivid/rdepends/twisted/python-twisted-core suggests that python-twisted-web got installed because of landscape-client.
[15:33] <rbasak> But since autoremove doesn't work, I think a better approach is to follow the tree from germinate-output rather than trying to follow it with apt on a live system.
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> You could potentially write a 'for installed package { if package not in seed { mark package as automatically installed } }' sort of a script, but I don't know if that actually gains you anything.
[16:07] <Onionnion> is there a way to see what packages would be upgraded and to what version with a do-release-upgrade without any changes made to the system?
[16:21] <smoser> Onionnion, i dont know if theere is a dry-run for it or not. but you could:
[16:21] <smoser>  back up /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[16:22] <smoser>  sed 's,<release-1>,<release-2>' -i /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[16:22] <smoser> apt-get update
[16:22] <smoser> apt-get dist-upgrade --dry-run
[16:22] <smoser> replace backd up sources.list
[16:25] <Onionnion> so to just adjust the sources file to point to the newer release and dry-run in apt-get?
[16:33] <Daviey> smoser: do-release-upgrade -s ?
[16:33] <smoser> that'd ake sense.
[16:33] <smoser> i didn't know if that worked any more
[16:33] <smoser> but that'd do a ton of download and such if it id id
[16:52] <DeMiNe0> I hate how vmware workstation's virtual network nat service will just randomly shit on you.
[17:14] <mbroadst> hey is jeos and ubuntu-vm-builder dead? is there a tool that supersedes that combo?
[17:15] <rbasak> mbroadst: cloud images, uvtool and mount-image-callback.
[17:15] <rbasak> mbroadst: or alternatively the ubuntu core images I suppose
[17:15] <rbasak> and snappy.
[17:16] <ogra_> yeah, snappy ubuntu-core
[17:17] <mbroadst> I got the impression snappy was sort of a coreos + docker competitor?
[17:19] <jeffreylevesque> if i have a virtualbox instance of ubuntu server 14.04, can i access the default webcam of the server?
[17:20] <bekks> Depends on how it is connected to your computer, technically.
[17:20] <mbroadst> rbasak: I guess what I'm looking for really is something that allows me to automate the creation of a raw ubuntu-baed disk image
[17:21] <mbroadst> ubuntu-server based image that is
[17:21] <ogra_> mbroadst, snappy is embedded, cloud ... soon the base for desktop and phone too ... and yes, you can use a docker framework on top of it
[17:21] <ogra_> essentially it is the future design of ubuntu
[17:22] <rbasak> mbroadst: start with a cloud image. Use mount-image-callback to modify it. Create /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud/ inside it, and userdata and metadata files for cloud-init.
[17:22] <rbasak> mbroadst: then just boot that image.
[17:22] <rbasak> mbroadst: see the output of "cloud-localds" for an example of userdata and metadata files
[17:23] <mbroadst> rbasak: so you're suggesting cloud images + uvtool over snappy then
[17:23] <rbasak> mbroadst: depends on what you're trying to do.
[17:23] <rbasak> snappy is a great new model with many improvements over the traditional model.
[17:23] <ogra_> snappy currently still means you will have to roll your own project snap packages
[17:23] <rbasak> But it involves having maintained snaps for everything you need (or you maintain them yourself)
[17:23] <rbasak> Right.
[17:24] <rbasak> If you already have stuff that fits the traditional model, you can use cloud images instead.
[17:24] <ogra_> if you are willing to invest into that, snappy should be your choice, else use cloud images
[17:24] <mbroadst> well what exactly constitutes a snap in this context, a single app like mysql, or a segment of the file system (/opt/something)
[17:24] <rbasak> mbroadst: if you just want to fire up a VM, uvtool wraps that all for you.
[17:25] <ogra_> a bundle ...
[17:25] <rbasak> A segment of the file system
[17:25] <rbasak> I suppose you could bundle everything you want into one snap.
[17:25] <rbasak> (that you maintain yourself)
[17:25] <ogra_> you can see a snap like a bundle of services confiugured in your preferred way
[17:25] <mbroadst> and each of the snap are like a ro aufs overlay or something
[17:25] <rbasak> But, for example, I don't want to maintain my own mysql snap - I want to use existing mysql packaging
[17:27] <ogra_> i.e. i could roll lamp_ogra.snap which has my personal setup of mysql, apache etc in it ... and always re-use it ... installing it will run it in a confined corner of the filesystem ... if i messed up security or whatever nothing can break out of it ... if i add a fix and the fix is broken, snappy allows me seamless rollback of the whole snap
[17:28] <rbasak> ogra_: anything on the roadmap for Juju integration?
[17:28] <rbasak> I want separate snaps with relations between then :)
[17:28] <rbasak> them
[17:28] <ogra_> i guess so, i dont know the snappy roadmap yet (just changed teams)
[17:35] <jeffreylevesque> so, if i have ubuntu 14.04 server in virtualbox, can i access the webcam?
[17:35] <jeffreylevesque> ;'(
[17:35] <patdk-wk> dunno, ask virtualbox
[17:36] <rbasak> For a USB webcam? USB passthrough is not uncommon. KVM can do it I think. Maybe virtualbox can too?
[17:36] <mbroadst> ogra_: seems like snappy requires a decent amount of user interaction. I'm trying to automate the build of reproducible images. Ideally I'd be using something like bitbake/yocto, but ubuntu certification is required by the customer
[17:37] <ogra_> well, snappy surely comes closer to a bitbake or yocto binary result here
[17:37] <mbroadst> okay maybe I'm missing the automated integration of snaps
[17:38] <mbroadst> I'm checking out the webcam example
[17:38] <ogra_> but it definitely is at a point where you have to do a bit more work still
[17:38] <mbroadst> it seems like I can automate the building of the snaps
[17:38] <mbroadst> but actually loading them in is manual
[17:38] <mbroadst> I can't just pop out a raw disk image with the snaps in them right?
[17:38] <rbasak> I presume the ability to build a snappy+snaps image is a primary use case for IoT. I would assume that you can do that.
[17:39] <rbasak> mbroadst: so maybe try #snappy? They know far more about this than just me and ogra_ :)
[17:39] <mbroadst> ah, right :)
[17:39] <mbroadst> sorry got a little lost in the twenty tabs of concurrent reading over here :)
[17:39] <rbasak> I am curious about the answer though
[17:44] <YamakasY> has anyone a preseed template for softraid ?
[19:24] <jrwren> is it me, or is this documentation simply wrong? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#pre-start
[20:05] <sarnold> jrwren: what part/
[20:06] <jrwren> it does not seem to mix with dpkg
[20:06] <jrwren> i have a debian/upstart script and the stop; exit 0; causes the invoke-rc.d to return a non-zero exit which dpkg hates
[20:07] <jrwren> I'd thought this was a common pattern, but it seems it isn't.
[20:09] <sarnold> ahh :)
[20:10] <jrwren> any suggestions or places to look?
[20:11] <sarnold> no, sorry
[20:39] <jrwren> decided to override the dh_installinst generated postinst. it works.