[00:41] <daftykins> http://www.ebuyer.com/698295-cello-c42250dvb4k-42-4k-led-tv-c42250dvb4k
[05:35] <mappps> morning
[06:19] <knightwise> hey mappps , how are you
[06:31] <diddledan> mornin
[06:37] <knightwise> hey diddledan how are you today ?
[06:37] <diddledan> I'm good thanks ;-0
[06:37] <diddledan> err
[06:37] <diddledan> :-)
[06:37] <diddledan> silly fingers can't type an emoticon :-p
[06:38] <knightwise> lol
[06:38] <knightwise>  its ok , its still early
[06:38] <knightwise> I'm listening to some ambient sounds to help me wakeup
[06:38] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ3h0ybGI3w
[06:39]  * diddledan clicks
[06:39] <diddledan> lol
[06:40] <diddledan> those startrek warp drives must be awesome for their comforting noises
[06:41] <knightwise> they are :) helps me too when I cant get to sleep
[06:41] <knightwise> headphones on ... zzzzzz
[07:28] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:36] <diddledan> m00
[07:36] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning
[08:01] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:03] <diplo> Morning all
[08:06] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:34] <foobarry> i completed super mario galaxy over the weekend...discovered i had got to the final stage about 3 years ago and never got round to attempting it
[08:36] <directhex> i finished SMG, and it was good, but i can't get excited enough to play 2
[08:36] <directhex> i think i bought it on wiiu virtual console, but haven't touched it
[08:37] <foobarry> what happens after you complete it?
[08:37] <foobarry> still have lots of stars to collect, but are extra features opened up?
[08:40] <popey> just played/streamed a windows game from my windows steam box to my linux laptop via steam. Surprised how well it works.
[08:42] <davmor2> popey: why not just vnc?
[08:43] <popey> uh. no.
[08:43] <davmor2> popey: or login to your windows pc via the Ubuntu login (me still has no idea how that works :) )
[08:43] <popey> still no
[08:43] <popey> :)
[08:44] <popey> too slow, low framerate, no audio, no controller passthrough
[08:44] <davmor2> popey: only asking :)
[08:44] <foobarry> directhex: in my mind SMG2 is just more of the same and cannot get excited about it. i've no idea if anything in the game is different/better. i might as well just play SMG and collect all 120 stars
[08:44] <directhex> i was bummed out on mario after sunshine
[08:45] <directhex> and i'm bummed out on zelda after twili
[08:47] <foobarry> sunshine was really hard
[08:47] <foobarry> i got stuck (by boredom ) on zelda during a weird level
[08:47] <directhex> okami was the best zelda game for a decade
[08:47] <foobarry> i hated the wolf scenes on twiligh too
[08:47] <foobarry> what's the one after?
[08:47] <foobarry> the one i got a gold controller for
[08:48] <directhex> after twilight princess? skyward sword
[08:48] <foobarry> yeah
[08:48] <foobarry> got bored on a level where it was dark and i had to catch a load of things
[08:48] <foobarry> then the batteries leaked in my gold remote
[08:48] <directhex> i just can't care any more
[08:49] <directhex> nintendo have learned literally zero from modern game design, since their staff don't play non-nintendo games
[08:49] <directhex> they're just recycling the same N64 design choices over and over
[08:53] <foobarry> however it works to an extent as i am still playing the wii
[08:53] <foobarry> and my son abolsutely loves it (5)
[08:54] <directhex> maybe i'm just old and grumpy
[08:55] <MooDoo> directhex: you old? ;)
[08:56] <directhex> MooDoo: 31! but i've been playing nintendo for 26 years
[08:56] <directhex> so have experienced their changes (or lack thereof) over that time period
[08:56] <directhex> i think what drove me off skyward sword entirely was the god-awful flying controls.
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think i've ever held a nintendo controller other than the wii
[08:56] <directhex> i hate the wiimote
[08:57] <directhex> as far as nintendo systems go, i have NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, Wii U, GBP, GBC, GBA, DS, 3DS
[08:58]  * zmoylan-pi pines for my zx spectrum +2...
[08:58] <foobarry> i like wiimote
[08:58] <directhex> i have a dragon 32 on the shelf in need of a good home
[08:59] <directhex> actually, 2 of them
[08:59] <directhex> sorta like a spectrum, but big and welsh
[08:59] <zmoylan-pi> i remember seeing a dragon 32 manual around the last time i moved...
[08:59] <zmoylan-pi> beautiful keyboard, another also ran 8 bit computer that arrived too late
[09:00] <directhex> the UK had no shortage of those
[09:00] <zmoylan-pi> i liked the oric but mainly as it was nod to blakes 7...
[09:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Ferret Day! 😃
[09:06] <bashrc> happy ferret day
[09:06] <directhex> is there a sad ferret day?
[09:08] <zmoylan-pi> a ferret that has no more pants to be stuffed down?
[09:08] <davmor2> shoves a live one up JamesTait trouser leg and offers bets on when it bites and how loud JamesTait scream is
[09:09] <zmoylan-pi> JamesTait... in the conservatory, with a weasel...
[09:10] <JamesTait> I think I'd be sad if I were a ferret stuck out in this weather.
[09:10] <foobarry> a ferret biting down on a gonad - possibly the most painful thing a human could experience?
[09:10]  * JamesTait replaces tape on webcam, eyes zmoylan-pi suspiciously.
[09:11] <directhex> the sun has appeared!
[09:11] <davmor2> directhex: that was my first colour compter the dragon 32
[09:11] <davmor2> computer even
[09:11] <directhex> davmor2: want a couple?
[09:11] <foobarry> need a blend of sun and rain this week as i planted a lawn
[09:11] <davmor2> directhex: no
[09:11] <directhex> i know one works. not sure about the other. may have mixed them up
[09:11] <davmor2> directhex: still no
[09:11] <directhex> shameful
[09:12] <davmor2> directhex: I have too much stuff already
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> a kitten dropping onto your lap while your wearing tracksuit... kitten digs in claws on landing, you jump up, kitten digs in claws harder...
[09:12] <JamesTait> I knew I should have got the mower out yesterday, just couldn't bring myself to do it rather than going out on the bikes and then going to buy new brake pads.
[09:13] <foobarry> a hoe is such a great tool for gardening. i don't know how i coped before
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> aren't there robots for mowing the lawn... or sheep rentals...
[09:13] <foobarry> the bludgeons guide to weeding
[09:18] <foobarry> "IGN also listed Super Mario Galaxy 2 as the greatest Wii game of all time"
[09:18] <foobarry> the write ups sound like more of the same though :S
[09:22] <directhex> is it worth me finding a wiimote and changing the TV input? that's the question
[09:27] <foobarry> tv input?
[09:27] <foobarry> i use the standard cable i think
[09:28] <directhex> foobarry: well the amp defaults to SAT/CATV, and the wiiu is on DVD/BD
[09:28] <directhex> there's a whole knob i have to turn
[09:28] <directhex> lots of effort to play a game in SD
[09:28] <shauno> it doesn't do it itself?!
[09:29] <directhex> shauno: no, the wii u doesn't support HDMI-CEC
[09:29] <directhex> nor does the xbox one. or my second-gen PS3
[09:30] <directhex> (i.e. a fat one w/ semi-emulated ps2 support)
[09:30] <directhex> i think the slim does. the superslim definitely does
[09:30] <shauno> heh, I haven't owned a console since the megadrive, so I wouldn't know the difference
[09:31] <shauno> I just remember thinking scart was the best thing since sliced bread because it'd change inputs automatically
[09:31] <shauno> seems strange that they've managed to go backwards since
[09:31] <directhex> well, there are two ways to change the input on the av receiver - emulating the remote and sending IR signals (how a kinect-equipped xbone does it), or sending the commands down an HDMI data line (HDMI-CEC)
[09:31] <foobarry> finally managed to remove teh cart switcher from my telly
[09:32] <foobarry> scart*
[09:32] <directhex> HDMI CEC means e.g. pressing a volume key on my TV affects the amp
[09:32] <foobarry> reduced my scart inputs to 2
[09:32] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:32] <directhex> scart was a very silly solution to a problem
[09:33] <foobarry> the thing about scart is that if your hand is round the back of the telly and you are trying to insert it blindly , it will take you 10 minutes of frustration
[09:34] <shauno> I jsut wheel the telly out.  I've got so much behind there now that blindly inserting a limb could be fatal
[09:34] <directhex> shauno: there could be a happy ferret back there
[09:34] <shauno> there actually could be :(
[09:35] <shauno> although more my worry is these silly wall-warts that come with switchable plug bits.  I've a couple that like to fall off the plate if you look at them funny
[09:35] <shauno> which leaves some quite awkward shiny bits very exposed
[09:36] <davmor2> czajkowski: see how everyone ignores you, what did you do to traumatise them that much?
[09:38]  * awilkins sends davmor2 for compulsory Ohana classes
[09:40] <davmor2> awilkins: hahaha nice :)
[09:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: Morning by the way
[09:45] <czajkowski> hmm my alt number key bindings are gone
[09:45] <czajkowski> feck
[09:46] <davmor2> czajkowski: add them back again then ;)
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> when bindings unravel...
[09:47] <czajkowski> hmm have ctrl n and alt p workinbg but not alt number working
[09:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: for irssi?
[09:49] <foobarry> that happens when i have tabs open
[09:49] <zmoylan-pi> an update to the terminal software interferring perhaps...
[09:53] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye
[09:53] <popey> czajkowski: which terminal?
[09:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: ctrl n/p and alt n/p are defaults don't know about alt+number
[09:53] <popey> gnome-terminal?
[09:54] <Laney> go into the preferences and clear the keybindings
[09:54] <popey> yeah, it defaults to using ALT+(letter) for menus. disable that
[09:54] <czajkowski> pooopey aye
[09:55] <czajkowski> popey: even
[09:55] <czajkowski> *headdesk*
[09:55] <Laney> there's also "Switch to tab <n>" which you need to delete these days
[09:55] <popey> i switched to terminator
[09:55] <jpds> popey: You'll be back.
[09:55] <czajkowski> ahhhh
[09:56] <davmor2> now I understand why no-one answered you czajkowski calling popey pooopey he only tried to help you ;)
[09:57] <popey> hah
[10:12] <foobarry> my pet hate...clicking a search box on a web page, and having to delete the word "search" from the box before searching ...WHHHYYYY
[10:13] <diplo> javascript versions and browser versions foobarry
[10:14] <diplo> I try and keep on top of it on my box, think I've removed most instances with placeholder=
[10:29] <shauno> placeholder shouldn't act like that?
[10:35] <diplo> nah the search issue is normally a javascript issue, I've started using placeholder to replace the one foobarry is seeing
[10:42] <shauno> ah gotcha .. I read it almost exactly the opposite :)
[10:47] <diplo> That would probably be my fault, not really with it today
[10:47] <diplo> :)
[12:10] <foobarry> when the last packet of crisps is cheese and onion :(
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> english cheese and onion crisps are 'orrible.  i prefer tayto...
[12:27] <dogmatic69__> oh man... http://www.thedailywtf.com/articles/version-logging
[12:28] <dogmatic69__> foobarry:  the best kind of crisps is anything that is not salt and vinegar.....
[13:20] <foobarry> does anyone know of a good personal alarm? wife wants one
[13:31] <davmor2> popey: just a quick review of my mifi. I was able to work with it Friday afternoon, Over the weekend it had 5 devices attached to it all worked slowly but worked. On Monday I caught the keynote and it stalled to cache twice.  Other than that steady speed that was faster up and down that the site wifi and kept me and my wife online for the whole weekend :)  Well spent £35 in my opinion :)
[13:32] <davmor2> popey: first proper use in the sticks :)
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> next, how well it does in the boonies beyond the sticks...
[13:32] <davmor2> popey: signal strength bounced between 2-3 bars out of 5
[13:33] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I only go to the sticks, ex quarry turned into a caravan park a long time ago :)
[13:37] <popey> nice!
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> huddled around the mifi watching a youtube video in a caravan... :-P
[13:39] <shauno> I guess if you're trapped in a caravan, it's either that or cook meth
[13:39] <diddledan> lol
[13:39] <zmoylan-pi> all out of travel scrabble??
[13:40] <shauno> I spent a weekend in a caravan once.  someone grabbed some CDs before we left.  when we got there, we discovered they'd managed to grab 3 singles.
[13:40] <shauno> that was a looong weekend
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully one was proclaimers 500 miles... :-P
[13:41] <diddledan> haha that's awesome!
[13:42] <shauno> 1990's problems eh?  now I carry around 25,000 songs in my back pocket just in case
[13:45] <davmor2> shauno: they are a bit more modern nowadays they have tv's and everything :P
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> and the tvs have remotes which is weird as they're so close that you don't have to move to touch them... :-)
[13:47] <shauno> it still feels a bit too much like camping in someone's front room for me
[13:47] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I'm tall but even I can't reach that far
[13:49] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: http://www.caravanfinder.co.uk/touring-caravans-for-sale/adria-caravans/adria-altea-552-up-trent-1-caravan-2015-northamptonshire-tk0190c82
[13:50] <shauno> if there was an award for "most british URL" ..
[13:51] <davmor2> shauno: it was the first site with decent images :)  The main adria one is basically just a plan :D
[13:52] <shauno> oh I don't even mean clicking it, just the URL itself :)
[13:53] <zmoylan-pi> we just need to get this picture onto it... :-) http://9gag.com/gag/a09vG6L/my-friend-probably-just-took-the-most-british-picture-ever
[13:53] <davmor2> shauno: there are worse trust me
[14:22] <foobarry> word for the day: tsundoku http://i.imgur.com/4rQX0Kn.jpg
[14:22] <foobarry> my word is tsunsteamo
[14:23] <foobarry> accumulating games on steam that you never play
[14:24] <foobarry> tsunjouki
[14:27]  * bashrc has never used steam
[14:33] <diplo> I really must play some games on my PC again at some point :)
[15:41] <zmoylan-pi> installing linux on a system with uefi and secure boot counts as a game...
[15:43] <shauno> A strange game.  The only winning move is not to play.
[15:44] <bashrc> can you turn uefi off?
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> <would. you. like. to. play. a. game. of. chess.  doctor. falcon?>
[15:45] <shauno> I think you can on some older stuff.  on newer machines, bios is a shim ontop of uefi instead of vice-versa
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> you can turn uefi off for now and secure boot, but it's a pain if you want to dual boot with windows.  and in new systems it's probable you won't be able to turn off secure boot.
[15:46] <bashrc> :(
[15:46] <zmoylan-pi> windows 10 will tighten the noose on installing your own os
[15:48] <shauno> I like efi, in theory.  it's just a bit bumpy finally ditching 30 years of backwards compatibility
[15:49] <shauno> I mean, it really does seem a bit silly that a brand new PC wakes up "thinking" it's an 8088
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> it's the only way to be sure it'll run ms flight simulator :-)
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> with cga
[15:51] <shauno> that's okay, we have X-Plane now :)
[15:52] <popey> GWBASIC ftw
[15:52] <zmoylan-pi> my first pc basic...
[15:52] <popey> I used to love it when we'd go in the computing "suite" and they'd not handed out the floppy disks yet
[15:52] <popey> I'd turn the pc on and start coding
[15:53] <zmoylan-pi> working on single floppy computers, booting from one disk and then swapping to application disk and then saving to personal floppy...
[15:54] <shauno> I could never got on with basic.  it just irked me
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> basic is an awesome language.  it reminds me of perl :-)
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> till ms got their mitts on it, cornered the market and killed it
[15:56] <shauno> it just bugged me that you'd sit and bang away on the atari at home, then go to school and discover that it was all useless because everyone had their own dialect of basic
[15:57] <zmoylan-pi> instead of which everyone has their own version of libraries in any other language on different oses like now... :-)
[16:05] <popey> when I discovered in-line assembly in bbc basic.. that was an eye opener
[16:05] <popey> BBC basic was so far ahead of the other 8-bit micros
[16:06] <bashrc> that was always debated at the time
[16:07] <shauno> peek and poke were my favourites.  mostly because on the atari, there were buttons that could only be read via peek, you could play/pause the tape deck with a poke, etc
[16:07] <shauno> so it grabbed me that they could do something tangible
[16:08] <shauno> I had a 'game' that tried to teach you french.  it'd load each lesson from the tape, and then there was audio between the lessons
[16:08] <shauno> so it'd keep pausing and playing the tape to reel off the next audio
[16:09] <shauno> that struck me as clever as hell, and led me to trawling through the listing figuring out how they did it:)
[16:12] <shauno> (back when the Break key was magic)
[16:13] <popey> BEEP-BOOP!
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> the bbc was sold at a loss initially.  that was why it was above and beyond all the rest.
[16:14] <popey> I bumped into a friend in a pub some 10+ years after leaving school. He found some of my old spectrum games I'd written on tapes in his loft
[16:14] <popey> I have since lost it all :(
[16:14] <zmoylan-pi> is there a wikipedia page like doctor who lost tapes page for popeys tapes? :-)
[16:15] <popey> hah
[16:51] <Myrtti> do you think it's possible to do an intersection search on the electoral roll data and exclude people from the list that aren't eligble to vote in certain elections?
[16:51] <Myrtti> I find it somewhat offensive that I get mail from certain immigration phobic parties addressed to "Dear Voter" when I'm not eligible to vote, because I'm a non-naturalised immigrant
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> you could ring them and with the heaviest accent you can put on ask for more information... :-P
[16:53] <bashrc> I think if you're resident in the UK for more than half the year then you should be allowed to vote, but that's just my opinion
[16:55] <shauno> that'd seem logical to me - I think it should just follow taxation.  wherever I'm tax-resident I should be allowed representation
[16:56] <shauno> (which I believe it's very similar to the 50% rule - it's whichever country you spend the most time in)
[16:56] <shauno> it's pretty funky here though - I'm elligible to vote, just not in elections
[16:57] <shauno> (but I won't, because I'm not elligible for a postal vote.  fun times)
[16:58] <Azelphur> Hey folks, so I have a new router and I'm trying to set up my ISPs native IPv6, the info I have from my ISP is: IPv6 Address 2001:4d48:ad52:4800::/56     PTP Address 2001:4d48:ad00:5248::/64     Size 56
[16:58] <Azelphur> And my router has a lot of options: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2015/May/2015-05-05-175735_1294x1186_scrot.png not sure what to put where
[17:01] <shauno> hm, I think you're missing a detail there
[17:02] <Azelphur> My old router works on IPv6 with no additional info afaik
[17:03] <shauno> I think the first address (...480::) goes in lan setting, and 56 in the box below it
[17:03] <shauno> but for the wan address, they've given you a network but not an address?  so .. not sure where you're supposed to pluck the gateway address from
[17:04] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2015/May/2015-05-05-180347_1556x1333_scrot.png is what I have in the old router, for reference
[17:08] <diddledan> the lan subnet is the /56 and the wan ip is the /64
[17:08] <diddledan> so static ip....5248:: and 64 in the box for prefix
[17:08] <shauno> yeah, that's how I read it too.  the 'routed' in one is the 'lan' in the other, the ad52 address, that's you
[17:09] <Azelphur> confusion growing :P
[17:09] <shauno> and the ad00/64 is the p2p
[17:09] <diddledan> Azelphur: wan ip is 2001:4d48:ad00:5248:: and the prefix is 64
[17:09] <Azelphur> ok
[17:10] <Azelphur> any other boxes to fill in?
[17:10] <diddledan> Azelphur: lan ip is 2001:4d48:ad52:4800::1 and 56 in the prefix
[17:10] <Azelphur> sweet :)
[17:10] <diddledan> (I just plucked the ::1 out of the air)
[17:10] <Azelphur> the gateway is required
[17:10] <diddledan> you can use whatever you want in the lan provided it's in the 2001:4d48:ad52:4800::/56 subnet
[17:10] <Azelphur> won't let me submit the form without gateway
[17:11] <Azelphur> which is strange, because on my old router IPv6 gateway is blank and it has always worked
[17:12] <shauno> I thought that part was meant to be magic
[17:12] <diddledan> the old config is using an ip you didn't tell us about, namely 2001:4d48:ad00:5248::1
[17:13] <Azelphur> well I did tell you about it, I posted a screenshot of all settings :P
[17:13] <shauno> I'd try using the same for the gateway but with ::2
[17:13] <Azelphur> diddledan: and yea I did tell you about that address in my initial question :P
[17:13] <diddledan> yeah try that
[17:13] <shauno> I can't promise it'll work, but there's a chance they're just taking anything that comes down the line and not caring  lol
[17:13] <diddledan> your initial question doesn't mention a ::1 address
[17:14] <Azelphur> it mentions a /64 block, I had someone help me set this up before given only the information that I gave you
[17:15] <diddledan> well then they were psychic :-p
[17:15] <Azelphur> must have been ;)
[17:15] <Azelphur> so um, anything for the gateway?
[17:15] <shauno> but I think it's meant to just use one of the magic addresses, like ff01::2
[17:15] <Azelphur> maybe I can inspect the old router to get this information?
[17:15] <Azelphur> Old router is still here and I haven't changed anything
[17:16] <diddledan> you can look in the booted-up routing table (route -n)
[17:16] <diddledan> maybe `route -6 -n`
[17:17] <Azelphur> diddledan: this reminds me of something the fellow told me to do that was bizarre
[17:17] <diddledan> :-D
[17:17] <Azelphur> ip -6 route add default dev pppoe-wan
[17:17] <Azelphur> had to run that on boot to get it to work
[17:17] <diddledan> hmm
[17:18] <diddledan> that suggests it's just dumping down the pipe and not caring about where it's going
[17:18] <shauno> on the new one or the old one?
[17:18] <Azelphur> shauno: old one
[17:19] <shauno> I'm gonna stick with my ::2 advice until you prove it doesn't work then :)
[17:19] <diddledan> yup
[17:19] <Azelphur> ::2 advice?
[17:19] <Azelphur> must have missed that somewhere
[17:19] <diddledan> alternatively they want you to use ::2 and point the gateway at ::1
[17:19] <shauno> where your wan IP is something::1, make their (gateway) IP thesame::2
[17:20] <Azelphur> (18:09:44) diddledan: Azelphur: wan ip is 2001:4d48:ad00:5248:: and the prefix is 64
[17:20] <shauno> I believe it doesn't actually matter what address it is, as long as your router believes it's someone else, thus shoves it down the wire
[17:20] <Azelphur> so change wan IP add a 1 on the end
[17:20] <Azelphur> and then same for gateway with a 2?
[17:20] <Azelphur> so that makes wan IPv6 address be 2001:4d48:ad00:5248::1 and wan IPv6 gateway 2001:4d48:ad00:5248::2
[17:20] <shauno> bingo
[17:20]  * Azelphur hits apply
[17:21] <shauno> (and if that doesn't work, wake MartijnVdS up ;)
[17:23] <Azelphur> lets see if it works :)
[17:25] <Azelphur> hmm, well it applied but test-ipv6.com fails
[17:26] <shauno> how faily?
[17:26] <Azelphur> 0/10 faily
[17:26] <shauno> (also, try host -6 google.com  see if you have DNS)
[17:26] <shauno> since those boxes were kinda empty too
[17:27] <shauno> er no, host -t AAAA google.com
[17:27] <Azelphur> host -t AAAA works
[17:33] <Azelphur> shauno: can't ping google though :(
[17:34] <shauno> hm.  there goes my guess then
[17:34] <Azelphur> so yea, maybe next best bet is to plug old router in and do some analysis? if you have any ideas there
[17:35] <shauno> possibly, but I suspect you don't have a gateway there either
[17:36] <Azelphur> but the old one works
[17:36] <Azelphur> I could just phone up my ISPs tech support, they are pretty good
[17:37] <shauno> might be worth a shot, I'm gonna be afk for 20 minutes anyway :)
[17:38] <shauno> just an odd one because I don't thinnk you should actually require a gateway address on a p2p link
[17:38] <shauno> but the web interface isn't giving you that option
[17:40] <Azelphur> shauno: maybe relevant? I'm set to Static IPv6 as connection type, I have no P2P option
[21:45] <dogmatic69> hi all, thought I would give 15.04 a go. got this instead... http://pastebin.com/ah6jKvRA
[21:46] <dogmatic69> any ideas
[21:56] <diddledan> dogmatic69: you need to tell the relase upgrader that you want non-lts versions
[21:56] <diddledan> dogmatic69: you'll need to go through 14.10 en-route tho
[22:02] <diddledan> dogmatic69: looks like the config is in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades (that's a file)
[22:03] <diddledan> specifically the last line which reads "Prompt=lts" change the "lts" to "normal"
[22:03] <dogmatic69> diddledan: that was it
[22:04] <dogmatic69> dont care for lts tbh
[22:49] <ali1234> how do i do 'for string in "AAA AAB AAC ... ZZZ"' in shell script?
[22:50] <ali1234> echo {A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}
[22:51] <diddledan> ali1234: try `for string in $(seq AAA ZZZ)`
[22:51] <ali1234> seq: invalid floating point argument: AAA
[22:51] <diddledan> aww
[22:52] <ali1234> echo works though
[22:52] <diddledan> yeah manpage says seq is only numbers
[22:53] <ali1234> of course now i have the problem of how to escape it
[22:53] <diddledan> shell escaping "does me 'ead in"
[22:54] <shauno> why escape it?
[22:55] <shauno> (I mean, what's it going in, since bash will take it alone)
[22:55] <ali1234> for str in $(echo {A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}); do echo $str; done
[22:55] <ali1234> prints {A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}
[22:55] <shauno> ahh
[22:55] <shauno> for foo in {A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z} ; do echo $foo ; done
[22:55] <shauno> don't overcomplicate it :)
[22:55] <ali1234> still prints {A..Z}{A..Z}{A..Z}
[22:56] <shauno> really?
[22:56] <ali1234> oh wait
[22:56] <ali1234> #!/bin/sh
[22:56] <shauno> ah, yeah, I think .. is specific to bash4
[22:56] <ali1234> yeah that works, cheers
[22:56] <ali1234> /bin/bash works for me
[22:57] <ali1234> so this DECT modem thing takes commands in the form AT^C***
[22:57] <ali1234> so my plan is to just try every command and see which ones do stuff
[22:57] <ali1234> since they all appear to be vendor specific
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> ati requests settings.  what those settings mean of course may vary... :-)
[22:58] <shauno> that sounds like an interesting evening :)
[22:58] <zmoylan-pi> at least if it's hayes compatible... :-)
[22:58] <ali1234> it's very much not
[22:58] <ali1234> i have so far figured out that when it rings you answer it by sending AT^CANS
[22:58] <ali1234> and hang up with AT^CRLS
[22:59] <ali1234> but you can't make it go off-hook with that command if it is not already rining
[22:59] <diddledan> is that ^C literal ^ followed by a C or a ctrl-c character?
[22:59] <ali1234> the device i ripped it out of doesn't appear to have the ability to initiate calls at all, so i can't sniff for it
[22:59] <ali1234> diddledan: it's a literal ^ and a literal C
[22:59] <diddledan> dang
[23:00] <diddledan> we're not in kansas anymore, toto
[23:00] <ali1234> so yeah, if i was the engineer making the commands i wouldn't leave out "go off hook" but the modem has three epoxy blobs on it so it is very much custom
[23:01] <ali1234> and technically it's not a modem, just a DTE controlled with custom AT commands on serial
[23:02] <shauno> well, answer and release seem to be non-stupid mnemonics, so there's a little light at the end of the tunnel at least
[23:02] <ali1234> yep
[23:02] <ali1234> amusingly when it rings it does not "ring"
[23:03] <ali1234> the controlling MCU has to pick up the ring message and send AT^CTON=**,* to make it play a sound
[23:03] <ali1234> where **,* = ringtone number and volume
[23:03] <ali1234> you can make it do this at any time
[23:03] <ali1234> TONE = tone presumably
[23:04] <ali1234> and CRST resets it
[23:04] <shauno> I have no idea why this reminds me, but once upon a time I discovered that there's a limit to how many times green-dot equipment can redial the same number
[23:05] <ali1234> green-dot?
[23:05] <shauno> I don't remember the proper name.  some kind of certification that phone equipment has (had?) to be allowed on BT's network
[23:06] <ali1234> oh yeah
[23:06] <ali1234> i know exactly what you mean
[23:06] <shauno> usually shown by a green circle on the label
[23:06] <shauno> (remembering that pretty much everything I know about the UK is 15 years out of date  heh)
[23:06] <ali1234> yeah i haven't seen one of those stickers in years
[23:07] <shauno> this one just sticks in my mind because the "troubleshooting" methodology I took before discovering this was terrible.  absolutely terrible.
[23:09] <shauno> we had the freeserve deal where you paid a flat-rate for all you can eat.  so you didn't pay for calls, but freeserve hung up every 2 hours to stop you being me
[23:09] <shauno> someone yanked my line out so they could use the phone, and didn't plug it back in again.  and I have wvdial on a vicious loop to keep my internet up all night
[23:10] <shauno> so when I woke up, it was refusing to dial out.  I can't remember the error it printed, but I went digging through wvdial's source for it, nadda
[23:10] <shauno> grepped the kernel for it, nadda.  dumped most of potato's sources from CD onto the drive, nada
[23:10] <shauno> though I'd try for a clean install to test there.  moved everything onto one drive.  picked the wrong drive during the install, and ended up with two clean drives
[23:11] <shauno> eventually gave up, dragged the modem off to mum's machine to plead my favourite maillist for help.  and they told me to powercycle the modem
[23:12] <ali1234> ouch
[23:12] <shauno> so that's how I found out that not only does BT have rules, but they're enforced on the equipment, even if it's not plugged into the line
[23:14] <daftykins> O_O
[23:14] <daftykins> a modem was disallowing you to reconnect after that 2hrs?
[23:15] <shauno> not after 2 hour .. because the line was disconnected, it went into redialling as soon as the previous attempt gave up
[23:15] <shauno> iirc wvdial gives up after a number of attempts, but I left it in a loop because I wanted my internet
[23:15] <daftykins> :D
[23:16] <ali1234> i think that happened to me once, back when you could get "engaged" on the ISP dial up line
[23:16] <shauno> it ended up happening regularly because we had that bt answer-service thing that pulsed your dialtone to tell you there was a message waiting
[23:16] <shauno> which my modem totally didn't accept as being a dialtone
[23:16] <ali1234> fun times
[23:16] <diddledan> we had that too
[23:17] <diddledan> I left my firewall doing redial attempts forever
[23:17] <ali1234> my plan, if i get this working, is to build an IVR box from a raspberry pi
[23:17] <diddledan> I was using smoothwall followed by ipcop
[23:17] <ali1234> and use it to confuse telemarketers
[23:17] <shauno> but yeah.  when we say 90% of IT is using teh googles, they're not kidding.  I'll never forget 'troubleshooting' with nothing but the potato CDs
[23:18] <ali1234> the phone this came out of is really rubbish and doesn;t work right with any base station other than it's own
[23:19] <shauno> (or when I discovered man pages, trying to read them all, before realising they're not meant to be consumed like that)
[23:19] <ali1234> i was hoping that by accessing the modem directly i could fix that but it seems too proprietary
[23:19] <daftykins> we had only 1p/min local dial-up or AOL :(
[23:19] <daftykins> so i had to go to AOL
[23:19] <ali1234> 1p/min? luxury!
[23:19] <daftykins> :D
[23:20] <ali1234> we had 5.4p/min off peak and weekends, 12p/min daytime
[23:20] <shauno> we had the choice between local-rate for 'free' or 15 quid a month for freephone access
[23:20] <shauno> it didn't seem to matter which ISP, they were all in cahoots with BT
[23:20] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:22] <ali1234> "A" commands are done... only "ANS" seems valid
[23:23] <shauno> your script caught ANS though?
[23:23] <ali1234> yes the device helpfully tells you "ERROR: UNKNOWN" for actual unknown commands, or "ERROR: ILLEGAL" if the command just doesn't work *now*
[23:24] <shauno> that's pretty optimistic then.  it sounds "feature-free" enough that you're not really expecting a long list
[23:24] <ali1234> ERROR: PARAMETER is also possible for the commands with = in them, but i am not scanning for those this time around
[23:25] <ali1234> it doesn't need a huge amount of commands
[23:25] <ali1234> all i need is "go off hook"
[23:25] <ali1234> i mean it's just a phone, no data is involved
[23:27] <shauno> hm, what if there isn't one?
[23:27] <ali1234> well i can still use it to get caller ID wirelessly
[23:27] <ali1234> and receive calls
[23:28] <shauno> just thinking even if it does do outbound, it could be more "dial this number" than "pick up", "send these tones", etc
[23:30] <ali1234> that would be fine as well, easier even
[23:31] <ali1234> the unit is a digital photo frame that shows a picture of who is calling, it came with a base station and anormal handset as well
[23:31] <ali1234> the baseband radio is the same in all three, the photoframe has an extra chip that talks these AT commands
[23:31] <ali1234> all three have some kind of SPI interface which I could maybe reverse engineer
[23:31] <ali1234> but the baseband is certainly capable of making calls
[23:32] <ali1234> there is also an i2c eeprom, not sure what that is for, pin number/registration i guess
[23:36] <shauno> I'm not sure I would have thought to turn a photoframe into an IVR :)
[23:36] <ali1234> well the modem part is on a daughterboard which is what makes me think it is capable of more
[23:37] <ali1234> the photoframe has a mic and speaker and can answer calls too
[23:37] <ali1234> all of that is on the daughterboard
[23:37] <ali1234> the main board is just a regular photoframe with this thing hanging off a serial port
[23:38] <ali1234> hmm... literally nothing in "B"
[23:42] <shauno> I'm rooting for D :)
[23:43] <ali1234> "dial" command is probably going to want an "=" so i won't find it on this pass
[23:43] <shauno> hm, something for dtmf or digit would probably be similar then