[00:33] <cmaloney> +1
[13:18] <ColonelPanic001> I forgot aisrael was in here
[13:18] <ColonelPanic001> hi Adam
[13:18] <aisrael> Hey hey!
[13:18] <ColonelPanic001> crap, is flavio in here too?
[13:19] <ColonelPanic001> can we have a TrafficEngine reunion?
[13:19] <ColonelPanic001> I forgot his nick, arg. I'd know it if I saw it though, probably.
[13:19] <_stink_>  --> n0p
[13:19] <ColonelPanic001> crap, I thought so, then thought it was longer before
[13:20] <_stink_> n000000000000p
[13:20] <ColonelPanic001> n0p3
[13:21] <n0p> :lol: sup guys
[13:22] <ColonelPanic001> hi
[13:22] <n0p> my email alert thingy still works \o/
[13:22] <ColonelPanic001> I like when my thingys work
[13:22] <ColonelPanic001> thingys. thingies. whichever looks slightly less absurd.
[13:24] <n0p> whats the tl;dr on http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2600-1/
[13:25] <n0p> haven't looked at it yet
[13:26] <jrwren> n0p: local attacker, so not a remote issue.
[13:26] <jrwren> n0p: i don't know about you, but I haven't managed systems where local users couldn't sudo to root in many years.
[13:26] <jrwren> n0p: also, that is utopic. Most folks use LTS for production.
[13:27] <n0p> jrwren: :thumbsup: i got a bunch of alerts, thought i saw 14.04, may have grabbed wrong link
[13:28] <n0p> jrwren: concurl on the local users, just wasn't sure if it was something that could be exploited through local user: www-data
[13:28] <n0p> jrwren: but thanks for the info
[13:28] <n0p> s/concurl/concur/
[13:30] <n0p> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2598-1/
[13:30] <n0p> filed under "walk don't run"
[13:31] <jrwren> oh, it got a different USN
[13:31] <jrwren> that is, kind of annoying.
[13:31] <n0p> yeah, got small handful of the same message different versions
[13:32] <n0p> guess in case the fix is different per release ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[13:33] <n0p> after all the ssl activity in the last 12 months, getting used to "jump on alerts" mode
[13:34] <n0p> jrwren: sounds like a SEM.js on Monday @Nutshell, you going?
[13:34] <jrwren> yeah, and I wonder if hosting providers are scrambling.
[13:34] <jrwren> n0p: yes, I plan to be there. 2 yr anniversary.
[13:34] <jrwren> last year the lightning talks were REALLY GOOD
[13:35] <n0p> yeah, i haven't looked at the lineup this time
[13:35] <n0p> I've been so busy, missing lots of stuff, kinda nice that we have them here, kinda a built in "will attend"
[13:37] <jrwren> that is what a lot of the folks at Arbor said when tehy used to meet at arbor.
[13:39] <n0p> jrwren: you aware of this: http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20150222/NEWS/302229974/investors-see-downtown-ann-arbor-as-hub-for-tech-startups
[13:40] <n0p> pretty excited about it
[13:40] <cmaloney> Email subject for the day:  Did you know the Prophecy when you were born
[13:41] <ColonelPanic001> cmaloney was born in accordance with a prophecy
[13:42] <jrwren> n0p: nope.
[13:42]  * jrwren reads
[13:43] <cmaloney> Oh this whole email is comedy gold
[13:43] <jrwren> n0p: which buildings are they buying?
[13:44] <cmaloney> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10997302/
[13:45] <n0p> tbh, not sure what i can disclose, but they should be closing this month so more info can get out. they are close by to our place now
[13:45] <cmaloney> n0p: That's awesome
[13:45] <jrwren> hahaha, I remember walking by coolhouse labs last summer thinking "WTF?"  because the 1000 person town harbor springs has no business having a tech startup :p
[13:45] <n0p> yeah, seems crazy
[13:46] <jrwren> I get the appeal. I want to work at a startup in harbor springs, at least in teh summer I do :)
[13:48] <brousch> Heh, I think little traverse bay still has ice on it
[13:48] <jrwren> NO WAY!
[13:48] <jrwren> ugh.
[13:49] <jrwren> well, I did say summer. :)  That means July, Aug, Sept :)
[13:49] <brousch> http://blogs.woodtv.com/2015/05/06/71996/
[13:49] <jrwren> now I want to be in Harbor Springs in August.
[13:50] <brousch> I look more at St. Joseph as where I'd like to be
[13:51] <jrwren> I've never been there.
[13:51] <jrwren> so close to benton harbor makes me think riots will break out. I must have the wrong impression.
[13:51] <brousch> Great beach, short train to chicago, in between my families in Niles and Grand Rapids
[13:52] <brousch> The river separates them, and they are two different worlds
[13:53] <jrwren> only an hour drive to Munster, IN. I'm sold. Vacation there next summer!
[13:53] <brousch> When I played baseball in high school we played St Joe and Benton Harbor. St Joe had the nicest stadium in the league, Benton Harbor had the worst
[13:54] <jrwren> ha!  sounds like Pontiac and Bloomfield Hills for me.
[13:54] <brousch> It was essential a dirt lot, but the the dirt was sharp gravel
[13:54] <brousch> No grass at all
[13:54] <cmaloney> Sounds about right.
[13:55] <brousch> Also, there are a dozen wineries within about 30 minutes of St Joe
[13:55] <brousch> Good ones
[14:01] <aisrael> n0p: !
[14:01] <cmaloney> I had not considered this
[14:07] <jrwren> brousch: breweries?
[14:07] <n0p> aisrael: hi! how are you?
[14:08] <aisrael> n0p: Hey man! Pretty good, you?
[14:08] <n0p> doing well
[14:08] <rick_h_> aisrael: how was malta? you go diving with folks?
[14:08] <n0p> keeping very busy, work, kids
[14:09] <aisrael> rick_h_: Malta was pretty cool. Lots of history there. I wish I'd stayed over an extra day to take a tour. No diving for me, though.
[14:10] <aisrael> n0p: Good to hear!
[14:14] <n0p> aisrael: how has CA life been? pets? wife? (all good I hope)
[14:14] <ColonelPanic001> Malta, there's an interesting one
[14:15] <jrwren> The pics I saw of Malta were beautiful.
[14:15] <jrwren> I wonder if the beer was better than Nuremberg
[14:16] <aisrael> n0p: Oh yeah, everything's going pretty great. Got my permanent residence, mostly settled in (about a half hour from the border), and working with jcastro and like, a fifth of the channel it seems. :D
[14:16] <cmaloney> heh
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> I dind't realize you were working there now, nice
[14:18] <aisrael> ColonelPanic001: Yep! Since last August.
[14:18] <brousch> jrwren: I'm not sure. I've only been to The Round Barn which is maybe 25mins from there
[14:19] <jrwren> new retirement idea: open a brewery in St. Joseph
[14:20] <brousch> I see one on Google maps, but I'd think there should be 2 or3
[14:20] <ColonelPanic001> aisrael: congrats
[14:20] <brousch> But I may be biased by the density of things in GR
[14:22] <jrwren> brousch: population 8365. 1 brewery is probably enough.
[14:23] <brousch> The one I found is technically in Benton Harbor
[14:24] <jrwren> Greenbush!!!
[14:25] <jrwren> sawyer is what? 10min down i94?
[14:27] <brousch> Maybe 15
[14:27] <jrwren> I love greenbush.
[14:28] <brousch> I don't think I've tried any of theirs
[14:28] <jrwren> O_O
[14:29] <jrwren> Greenbush is cool because each of their beers is different than the usual. They don't do anything standard.
[14:29] <cmaloney> brousch: How is the Beer Barrel Bourbon from New Holland?
[14:29] <brousch> I just ran out of beer. I'll have to get some tonight
[14:29]  * cmaloney saw it at Meijer and was sorely tempted.
[14:29] <jrwren> cmaloney: its good.
[14:29] <jrwren> cmaloney: but nothing too special I'd say.
[14:30] <cmaloney> jrwren: What's the closest bourbon you'd compare it with?
[14:30] <brousch> I need one of these beer apps so I can keep track of what I've tried
[14:30] <cmaloney> Is it $30 special?
[14:30] <cmaloney> 'cause $30 buys a lot of nice scotch. ;)
[14:30] <jrwren> cmaloney: its hard for me to say. I really like Bulleit and I'd choose Bulleit over it 99% of the time.
[14:30] <cmaloney> How about Maker's Mark?
[14:31] <jrwren> much better than maker's
[14:31] <cmaloney> That seems to be my go-to for Bourbon
[14:31] <brousch> Bummer, we dropped to #8 best beer city http://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/best-beer-cities-in-america
[14:31] <cmaloney> brousch: That's unthinkable.
[14:31] <jrwren> kinda like a Knob Creek, maybe. IIRC
[14:31] <jrwren> that list is wrong.
[14:31] <cmaloney> OK, so not like a sour mash like Jack / Jim
[14:31] <jrwren> GR is #1 beer city.
[14:31] <jrwren> MI is #1 beer state.
[14:31] <jrwren> cmaloney: NOOOO
[14:32] <jrwren> cmaloney: its definitely a sipping bourbon
[14:32] <cmaloney> ++
[14:32] <brousch> Well the cities that are ahead of us are quite a bit larger
[14:32] <jrwren> pfff.. NYC, SF, this is list stupid.
[14:32] <cmaloney> OK, will have to give it a try
[14:32] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's pretty silly.
[14:33] <cmaloney> Seems like one of those lists that's guaranteed to get clicks for being wrong
[14:33] <cmaloney> or confrontationall
[14:33] <jrwren> yup
[14:34] <jrwren> I guess if you don't include west mi breweries in the GR list, then maybe GR isn't great.
[14:34] <jrwren> but if you include all west MI breweries... no other place compares IMO
[14:34] <cmaloney> well, considering we have Bells the rest of the list is irrelevant.
[14:34] <cmaloney> It's like comparing potato chips
[14:34] <jrwren> hehehe
[14:34] <cmaloney> Better Made. Game. Set. Match.
[14:34] <jrwren> I wish I liked better made, but sugar on potato chips? no TY
[14:35] <cmaloney> Get the Rainbow Darks
[14:35] <cmaloney> Sooo good
[14:35] <cmaloney> It's all the "burned chips" in one bag.
[14:35] <jrwren> i'll try 'em.
[14:35] <jrwren> sounds great.
[14:35] <cmaloney> they're a little more expensive
[14:36] <jrwren> $10 for a 12oz bag!!! http://www.amazon.com/Better-Made-Rainbow-fashioned-12-5-oz/dp/B008A8FKGI
[14:36] <cmaloney> about $4 a bag from Meijer
[14:36] <cmaloney> Amazon prices are stupid
[14:36] <cmaloney> They're probably $10 a bag in California
[14:36] <cmaloney> like the Price is Right prices on a can of creamed corn
[14:36] <jrwren> lol
[14:36] <brousch> Yeah, you need to look around the grand rapids area, not just in grand rapids
[14:37] <brousch> Although places like bells and greenbush are pretty far away
[14:37] <cmaloney> Again, Michigan is a beer state
[14:37] <brousch> More than an hour away
[14:37] <cmaloney> I'd pit us against any state, save Ohio
[14:37] <brousch> definitely
[14:37] <cmaloney> because Ohio has Great Lakes Brewing
[14:37] <cmaloney> May as well be in Michigan. ;)
[14:38] <greg-g> *coughs* Lagunitas *coughs*
[14:38] <greg-g> which that article probably lumped in with SF, but fuck that, Petaluma!
[14:38] <jrwren> What is the one up by Muskegon?
[14:40] <jrwren> grand haven, oddsides.
[14:40] <jrwren> mmm... oddsides.
[15:34] <cscheib> odd side has really good stuff
[15:45] <cscheib> jcastro: do you still pay for a cleaning service?  what's that running you?
[15:50] <rick_h_> cscheib: $135 every other week here
[15:51] <cscheib> rick_h_: what's your sqft?
[15:51] <jrwren> 50% of all my income and I still have to do at least half of the cleaning. :p
[15:51] <cscheib> haha
[15:52] <cscheib> my girlfriend thinks "cleaning the kitchen" consists of loading the dishes in the dishwasher... if it doesn't get loaded in a dishwasher, she won't clean it (that includes counters, stove top, pots/pans, baking sheets)
[15:52] <rick_h_> cscheib: 1400 main floor & half that finished down stairs
[15:52] <jcastro> cscheib, jill pays for it, I'll ask her tonight
[15:53] <jcastro> it's not that bad though, it's worth every penny IMO
[15:53] <rick_h_> +1
[15:53] <cscheib> I already pay for dog waste removal and landscaping
[15:53] <cscheib> I figure I may as well go for the trifecta
[15:53] <rick_h_> hah
[15:53] <cscheib> since I'm really bad about keeping up on house cleaning
[15:53] <jcastro> it's nice because your place is always presentable
[15:54] <cscheib> yea, that'd be nice
[15:57] <jrwren> cscheib: I knew a single guy around your age who also paid for cooking services
[15:57] <rick_h_> jcastro: cscheib I find the big thing is you have to pick up for the cleaners to come
[15:57] <rick_h_> so it forces me to go through the house and do that
[15:58] <cscheib> I've actually gotten much better about picking up recently
[15:58] <cscheib> but... there's dog hair EVERYWHERE
[15:58] <rick_h_> heh, the roomba helps with the pet hair in between cleaner visits
[15:58] <cscheib> jcastro knows what I'm talking about, I'm sure.  beagle-ish breeds shed like a mofo
[15:58] <jcastro> nope
[15:58] <jcastro> not much
[15:59] <jcastro> some dander
[15:59] <jcastro> but he's clean
[15:59] <jcastro> well, compared to most dogs
[15:59] <rick_h_> our lab is pretty good but she's doing her twice a year shed right now so :(
[16:00] <cscheib> I can run a swiffer through my house every 2 days or so and come up with a massive pile of hair
[16:18] <cmaloney> Might look into it for JoDee.
[16:18] <cmaloney> She swears a blue-streak every time
[16:20] <_stink_> we pay $80 every two weeks for ours.
[16:20] <_stink_> it maintains some level of sanity around here