[00:33] +1 [13:18] I forgot aisrael was in here [13:18] hi Adam [13:18] Hey hey! [13:18] crap, is flavio in here too? [13:19] can we have a TrafficEngine reunion? [13:19] I forgot his nick, arg. I'd know it if I saw it though, probably. [13:19] <_stink_> --> n0p [13:19] crap, I thought so, then thought it was longer before [13:20] <_stink_> n000000000000p [13:20] n0p3 [13:21] :lol: sup guys [13:22] hi [13:22] my email alert thingy still works \o/ [13:22] I like when my thingys work [13:22] thingys. thingies. whichever looks slightly less absurd. [13:24] whats the tl;dr on http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2600-1/ [13:25] haven't looked at it yet [13:26] n0p: local attacker, so not a remote issue. [13:26] n0p: i don't know about you, but I haven't managed systems where local users couldn't sudo to root in many years. [13:26] n0p: also, that is utopic. Most folks use LTS for production. [13:27] jrwren: :thumbsup: i got a bunch of alerts, thought i saw 14.04, may have grabbed wrong link [13:28] jrwren: concurl on the local users, just wasn't sure if it was something that could be exploited through local user: www-data [13:28] jrwren: but thanks for the info [13:28] s/concurl/concur/ [13:30] http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2598-1/ [13:30] filed under "walk don't run" [13:31] oh, it got a different USN [13:31] that is, kind of annoying. [13:31] yeah, got small handful of the same message different versions [13:32] guess in case the fix is different per release ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [13:33] after all the ssl activity in the last 12 months, getting used to "jump on alerts" mode [13:34] jrwren: sounds like a SEM.js on Monday @Nutshell, you going? [13:34] yeah, and I wonder if hosting providers are scrambling. [13:34] n0p: yes, I plan to be there. 2 yr anniversary. [13:34] last year the lightning talks were REALLY GOOD [13:35] yeah, i haven't looked at the lineup this time [13:35] I've been so busy, missing lots of stuff, kinda nice that we have them here, kinda a built in "will attend" [13:37] that is what a lot of the folks at Arbor said when tehy used to meet at arbor. [13:39] jrwren: you aware of this: http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20150222/NEWS/302229974/investors-see-downtown-ann-arbor-as-hub-for-tech-startups [13:40] pretty excited about it [13:40] Email subject for the day: Did you know the Prophecy when you were born [13:41] cmaloney was born in accordance with a prophecy [13:42] n0p: nope. [13:42] * jrwren reads [13:43] Oh this whole email is comedy gold [13:43] n0p: which buildings are they buying? [13:44] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10997302/ [13:45] tbh, not sure what i can disclose, but they should be closing this month so more info can get out. they are close by to our place now [13:45] n0p: That's awesome [13:45] hahaha, I remember walking by coolhouse labs last summer thinking "WTF?" because the 1000 person town harbor springs has no business having a tech startup :p [13:45] yeah, seems crazy [13:46] I get the appeal. I want to work at a startup in harbor springs, at least in teh summer I do :) [13:48] Heh, I think little traverse bay still has ice on it [13:48] NO WAY! [13:48] ugh. [13:49] well, I did say summer. :) That means July, Aug, Sept :) [13:49] http://blogs.woodtv.com/2015/05/06/71996/ [13:49] now I want to be in Harbor Springs in August. [13:50] I look more at St. Joseph as where I'd like to be [13:51] I've never been there. [13:51] so close to benton harbor makes me think riots will break out. I must have the wrong impression. [13:51] Great beach, short train to chicago, in between my families in Niles and Grand Rapids [13:52] The river separates them, and they are two different worlds [13:53] only an hour drive to Munster, IN. I'm sold. Vacation there next summer! [13:53] When I played baseball in high school we played St Joe and Benton Harbor. St Joe had the nicest stadium in the league, Benton Harbor had the worst [13:54] ha! sounds like Pontiac and Bloomfield Hills for me. [13:54] It was essential a dirt lot, but the the dirt was sharp gravel [13:54] No grass at all [13:54] Sounds about right. [13:55] Also, there are a dozen wineries within about 30 minutes of St Joe [13:55] Good ones [14:01] n0p: ! [14:01] I had not considered this [14:07] brousch: breweries? [14:07] aisrael: hi! how are you? [14:08] n0p: Hey man! Pretty good, you? [14:08] doing well [14:08] aisrael: how was malta? you go diving with folks? [14:08] keeping very busy, work, kids [14:09] rick_h_: Malta was pretty cool. Lots of history there. I wish I'd stayed over an extra day to take a tour. No diving for me, though. [14:10] n0p: Good to hear! [14:14] aisrael: how has CA life been? pets? wife? (all good I hope) [14:14] Malta, there's an interesting one [14:15] The pics I saw of Malta were beautiful. [14:15] I wonder if the beer was better than Nuremberg [14:16] n0p: Oh yeah, everything's going pretty great. Got my permanent residence, mostly settled in (about a half hour from the border), and working with jcastro and like, a fifth of the channel it seems. :D [14:16] heh [14:17] I dind't realize you were working there now, nice [14:18] ColonelPanic001: Yep! Since last August. [14:18] jrwren: I'm not sure. I've only been to The Round Barn which is maybe 25mins from there [14:19] new retirement idea: open a brewery in St. Joseph [14:20] I see one on Google maps, but I'd think there should be 2 or3 [14:20] aisrael: congrats [14:20] But I may be biased by the density of things in GR [14:22] brousch: population 8365. 1 brewery is probably enough. [14:23] The one I found is technically in Benton Harbor [14:24] Greenbush!!! [14:25] sawyer is what? 10min down i94? [14:27] Maybe 15 [14:27] I love greenbush. [14:28] I don't think I've tried any of theirs [14:28] O_O [14:29] Greenbush is cool because each of their beers is different than the usual. They don't do anything standard. [14:29] brousch: How is the Beer Barrel Bourbon from New Holland? [14:29] I just ran out of beer. I'll have to get some tonight [14:29] * cmaloney saw it at Meijer and was sorely tempted. [14:29] cmaloney: its good. [14:29] cmaloney: but nothing too special I'd say. [14:30] jrwren: What's the closest bourbon you'd compare it with? [14:30] I need one of these beer apps so I can keep track of what I've tried [14:30] Is it $30 special? [14:30] 'cause $30 buys a lot of nice scotch. ;) [14:30] cmaloney: its hard for me to say. I really like Bulleit and I'd choose Bulleit over it 99% of the time. [14:30] How about Maker's Mark? [14:31] much better than maker's [14:31] That seems to be my go-to for Bourbon [14:31] Bummer, we dropped to #8 best beer city http://www.thrillist.com/drink/nation/best-beer-cities-in-america [14:31] brousch: That's unthinkable. [14:31] kinda like a Knob Creek, maybe. IIRC [14:31] that list is wrong. [14:31] OK, so not like a sour mash like Jack / Jim [14:31] GR is #1 beer city. [14:31] MI is #1 beer state. [14:31] cmaloney: NOOOO [14:32] cmaloney: its definitely a sipping bourbon [14:32] ++ [14:32] Well the cities that are ahead of us are quite a bit larger [14:32] pfff.. NYC, SF, this is list stupid. [14:32] OK, will have to give it a try [14:32] Yeah, it's pretty silly. [14:33] Seems like one of those lists that's guaranteed to get clicks for being wrong [14:33] or confrontationall [14:33] yup [14:34] I guess if you don't include west mi breweries in the GR list, then maybe GR isn't great. [14:34] but if you include all west MI breweries... no other place compares IMO [14:34] well, considering we have Bells the rest of the list is irrelevant. [14:34] It's like comparing potato chips [14:34] hehehe [14:34] Better Made. Game. Set. Match. [14:34] I wish I liked better made, but sugar on potato chips? no TY [14:35] Get the Rainbow Darks [14:35] Sooo good [14:35] It's all the "burned chips" in one bag. [14:35] i'll try 'em. [14:35] sounds great. [14:35] they're a little more expensive [14:36] $10 for a 12oz bag!!! http://www.amazon.com/Better-Made-Rainbow-fashioned-12-5-oz/dp/B008A8FKGI [14:36] about $4 a bag from Meijer [14:36] Amazon prices are stupid [14:36] They're probably $10 a bag in California [14:36] like the Price is Right prices on a can of creamed corn [14:36] lol [14:36] Yeah, you need to look around the grand rapids area, not just in grand rapids [14:37] Although places like bells and greenbush are pretty far away [14:37] Again, Michigan is a beer state [14:37] More than an hour away [14:37] I'd pit us against any state, save Ohio [14:37] definitely [14:37] because Ohio has Great Lakes Brewing [14:37] May as well be in Michigan. ;) [14:38] *coughs* Lagunitas *coughs* [14:38] which that article probably lumped in with SF, but fuck that, Petaluma! [14:38] What is the one up by Muskegon? [14:40] grand haven, oddsides. [14:40] mmm... oddsides. [15:34] odd side has really good stuff [15:45] jcastro: do you still pay for a cleaning service? what's that running you? [15:50] cscheib: $135 every other week here [15:51] rick_h_: what's your sqft? [15:51] 50% of all my income and I still have to do at least half of the cleaning. :p [15:51] haha [15:52] my girlfriend thinks "cleaning the kitchen" consists of loading the dishes in the dishwasher... if it doesn't get loaded in a dishwasher, she won't clean it (that includes counters, stove top, pots/pans, baking sheets) [15:52] cscheib: 1400 main floor & half that finished down stairs [15:52] cscheib, jill pays for it, I'll ask her tonight [15:53] it's not that bad though, it's worth every penny IMO [15:53] +1 [15:53] I already pay for dog waste removal and landscaping [15:53] I figure I may as well go for the trifecta [15:53] hah [15:53] since I'm really bad about keeping up on house cleaning [15:53] it's nice because your place is always presentable [15:54] yea, that'd be nice [15:57] cscheib: I knew a single guy around your age who also paid for cooking services [15:57] jcastro: cscheib I find the big thing is you have to pick up for the cleaners to come [15:57] so it forces me to go through the house and do that [15:58] I've actually gotten much better about picking up recently [15:58] but... there's dog hair EVERYWHERE [15:58] heh, the roomba helps with the pet hair in between cleaner visits [15:58] jcastro knows what I'm talking about, I'm sure. beagle-ish breeds shed like a mofo [15:58] nope [15:58] not much [15:59] some dander [15:59] but he's clean [15:59] well, compared to most dogs [15:59] our lab is pretty good but she's doing her twice a year shed right now so :( [16:00] I can run a swiffer through my house every 2 days or so and come up with a massive pile of hair [16:18] Might look into it for JoDee. [16:18] She swears a blue-streak every time [16:20] <_stink_> we pay $80 every two weeks for ours. [16:20] <_stink_> it maintains some level of sanity around here