| zequence | These namings make me learn more English | 05:55 |
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| zequence | Think I'm going to do a couple of apps for the phone this month, to see how that works | 06:00 |
| zequence | Would be nice to get controls for jack to begin with. Also, some simple recording software. | 06:00 |
| zequence | ..and I'd like to be able to run pd patches on it as well | 06:00 |
| zequence | Actually, might as well make -controls have an app version, which can set up rt privilege and control jack, and PA integration | 06:13 |
| zequence | I'll start working on that next week, once I get inemployed again | 06:14 |
| zequence | unemployed* | 06:14 |
| zequence | I'm thinking of scopes too. We should add a Ubuntu Studio scope | 08:28 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: how is the latency? Are you dealing directly with alsa? It seems to me the docs I have read indicate that androids latency problems come not from HW so much as the extra layers between alsa and the application. | 14:26 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Seems to be PA. Haven't actually investigated | 14:26 |
| zequence | I tried the simple piano app, with which you can play one note at the time | 14:27 |
| zequence | There is latency, no doubt | 14:27 |
| zequence | But it's not half a second. It's small, but very audible | 14:27 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: on android a simple piano is not playable because of latency | 14:27 |
| OvenWerks | I also put a "drum kit" on it and it was a waste of time for latency | 14:28 |
| zequence | Haven't tried anything with jack yet. There's probably nothing I can run with it | 14:28 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I think PA can be set to different latencys (buffer size) | 14:29 |
| zequence | Still know all too little about the system, but I'm assuming you can have it run jack in realtime pretty easily | 14:29 |
| zequence | Haven't actually tried PA latency on the desktop, so don't know how it compares | 14:29 |
| OvenWerks | for most desktop use latency doesn't really matter | 14:30 |
| OvenWerks | phone use is the only one. | 14:30 |
| * OvenWerks considers tracking/swsynth not to be desktop use. | 14:31 | |
| zequence | Time to head home. bb in a while | 14:31 |
| OvenWerks | ok | 14:31 |
| OvenWerks | I just woke up :) | 14:31 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: Good morning then :) | 16:55 |
| zequence | The browser is ok on the Ubuntu phone, and I can make calls and sms's. Also, there's a pretty ok Kodi app, which I just found. | 16:59 |
| zequence | Other than that, it's just good looking | 16:59 |
| zequence | And, the indicator menu is not very fun to navigate, all though it looks cool | 16:59 |
| zequence | I need owncloud support. Hard to get on any platform so you can get all-in-one | 17:00 |
| zequence | I'm still going to prefer it over almost any other kind of phone right now. | 17:01 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: my wife keeps threatening to give her old nex4 to me in which case I will be trying touch for sure. | 20:30 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: I just had a go using the Ubuntu SDK. A lot of stuff I've never dealt with. | 20:41 |
| zequence | I think it was Nokia who developed QML, which is a javascript way of creating QT interfaces | 20:42 |
| zequence | Then, you have a lot of other stuff to figure out too. And you can use C++, which I have never learned | 20:42 |
| zequence | Also, not sure 2 month old examples are going to work on the latest IDE | 20:43 |
| zequence | ..and libraries | 20:43 |
| zequence | There are a lot of options for sure | 20:43 |
| zequence | Going to take some time to get into it, and also learn a bit of C++ while I do that | 20:44 |
| zequence | When you plug in the phone with USB, what you see is the home folder. Very simple. Music, Pictures, Downloads, etc | 20:45 |
| zequence | I like that. | 20:45 |
| zequence | Yeah, you might get a bit inspired too perhaps, if you get one in your hand :) | 20:50 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: c++ is slow going for me. I can at least write working c, though I often find debugging someone elses code tough. I don't do so well writing c++ though. | 20:59 |
| micahg | bug 1450992 was accepted to -proposed if anyone's interested in doing the verification | 21:29 |
| ubottu | bug 1450992 in ardour3 (Ubuntu Utopic) "audio and MIDI files irreversibly deleted from disk" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450992 | 21:29 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: thankyou. Will take a look... after I figure out (again) how to enable proposed. | 21:37 |
| micahg | OvenWerks: there's a link in the bug to do that | 21:40 |
| OvenWerks | Good, what I was doing showed everything but ardour. | 21:40 |
| micahg | s/to do/on how to do/ | 21:41 |
| kubotu | micahg meant: "OvenWerks: there's a link in the bug on how to do that" | 21:41 |
| micahg | hi kubotu | 21:41 |
| kubotu | salut, micahg | 21:41 |
| OvenWerks | Maybe it hasn't made it in there yet? (64bit) | 21:46 |
| OvenWerks | got it | 21:48 |
| OvenWerks | installed | 21:50 |
| micahg | normal usage stress testing would probably be sufficient, I've never used it, so can't really speak to what testing is appropriate | 21:51 |
| micahg | and that existing files open ok in the new version | 21:51 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: That seems to be a problem... I have moved some sessions and they don't work anymore, but then they don't work in ardour 4 either. A new session works, records, plays back etc. and sessions that have not been moved work ok too. | 22:07 |
| micahg | hrm | 22:14 |
| micahg | that sounds like a big problem | 22:14 |
| micahg | 3->4 can be understandable (would warrant a NEWS entry, but understandable), 3->3 seems problematic | 22:15 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: At this point I really can't say when the last time I opened one of those sessions was. The saved file format for ardour 3 and 4 is supposed to be interchangable. | 22:17 |
| OvenWerks | As I say, I may have mess them up when moving things around to clean things up give more disk space. | 22:18 |
| OvenWerks | My project directory is now a link to another disk. This works fine for new projects. | 22:19 |
| OvenWerks | *** Error in `/usr/lib/ardour3/ardour-3.5.403~dfsg-3~ubuntu14': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x00007fc9780015c0 *** doesn't sound real good | 22:22 |
| OvenWerks | Things created recently seem to work. | 22:23 |
| OvenWerks | Things created with A4 work. | 22:24 |
| OvenWerks | MIDI i/o works (for control surfaces anyway) | 22:28 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: The stuff that is causing trouble was done in 12.04. And some that I have tried are originally a2 projects. | 22:34 |
| OvenWerks | Anything current works, and anything that works with binaries from the ardour site works with the new a3 too. | 22:35 |
| micahg | can you downgrade and create one in utopic or trusty and then upgrade again? | 22:35 |
| OvenWerks | I am running trusty, I will try on an older partition. | 22:36 |
| OvenWerks | B in bit. | 22:36 |
| micahg | OvenWerks: I meant downgrade ardour :) | 22:39 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: Thats ok. booted 12.04 (wow have things changed sinse then...) | 22:50 |
| OvenWerks | created an ardour session with ardour 2 and one with ardour 3. | 22:51 |
| OvenWerks | the new ardour 3 is able to load and play both of them. | 22:51 |
| micahg | awesome | 22:53 |
| OvenWerks | trying the downgrade ardour option too.] | 22:55 |
| micahg | 12.04 doesn't have ardour3 | 22:57 |
| OvenWerks | Mine does... | 22:57 |
| micahg | haha | 22:57 |
| OvenWerks | (binary dl from ardour. | 22:57 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: all of the sessions that didn't work on the new a3 don't work with 308 either | 22:59 |
| OvenWerks | So I would put that down to bad files/sessions. | 22:59 |
| micahg | ok, that's good, can we please also check if our ardour3 files created in trusty work with the new upgrade? | 23:00 |
| OvenWerks | just doing that now. | 23:00 |
| micahg | great, thans | 23:00 |
| micahg | s/thans/thanks/ | 23:00 |
| kubotu | micahg meant: "great, thanks" | 23:00 |
| micahg | salut kubotu | 23:00 |
| kubotu | yo micahg :) | 23:00 |
| OvenWerks | I guess I have to upgrade again now... to try it out in 403 | 23:03 |
| micahg | right :) | 23:04 |
| OvenWerks | looks good, plays back old project and was able to add another track and record. session saves and reloads too. | 23:07 |
| micahg | awesome, so that means 14.04 passes? | 23:07 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: this is not a real complete test, but that would really take a long time | 23:07 |
| OvenWerks | I would pass it yes. | 23:07 |
| micahg | well, I'll leave it to you and zequence how much testing you want to do for the SRU | 23:08 |
| micahg | I'm just here to push buttons :) | 23:08 |
| OvenWerks | Ja, where do I go to call it verified? | 23:09 |
| OvenWerks | On the bug report I guess | 23:09 |
| micahg | yeah, there should be instructions in the second link about SRU verification | 23:10 |
| micahg | 14.10 will need to be checked as well | 23:10 |
| OvenWerks | basically says add a comment to the bug. | 23:11 |
| micahg | and the comment mentions updating the tag from verification needed to verification-done, but I'd suggest adding something like verification-done-trusty | 23:12 |
| OvenWerks | right. | 23:12 |
| OvenWerks | I don't have 14.10 available to me. zequence may have a loaded copy already. | 23:21 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I have tested ardour3 in proposed on trusty, do you have 14.10 installed somewhere? | 23:48 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: it needs a verify there. | 23:48 |
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