[05:55] <zequence> These namings make me learn more English
[06:00] <zequence> Think I'm going to do a couple of apps for the phone this month, to see how that works
[06:00] <zequence> Would be nice to get controls for jack to begin with. Also, some simple recording software.
[06:00] <zequence> ..and I'd like to be able to run pd patches on it as well
[06:13] <zequence> Actually, might as well make -controls have an app version, which can set up rt privilege and control jack, and PA integration
[06:14] <zequence> I'll start working on that next week, once I get inemployed again
[06:14] <zequence> unemployed*
[08:28] <zequence> I'm thinking of scopes too. We should add a Ubuntu Studio scope
[14:26] <OvenWerks> zequence: how is the latency? Are you dealing directly with alsa? It seems to me the docs I have read indicate that androids latency problems come not from HW so much as the extra layers between alsa and the application.
[14:26] <zequence> OvenWerks: Seems to be PA. Haven't actually investigated
[14:27] <zequence> I tried the simple piano app, with which you can play one note at the time
[14:27] <zequence> There is latency, no doubt
[14:27] <zequence> But it's not half a second. It's small, but very audible
[14:27] <OvenWerks> zequence: on android a simple piano is not playable because of latency
[14:28] <OvenWerks> I also put a "drum kit" on it and it was a waste of time for latency
[14:28] <zequence> Haven't tried anything with jack yet. There's probably nothing I can run with it
[14:29] <OvenWerks> zequence: I think PA can be set to different latencys (buffer size)
[14:29] <zequence> Still know all too little about the system, but I'm assuming you can have it run jack in realtime pretty easily
[14:29] <zequence> Haven't actually tried PA latency on the desktop, so don't know how it compares
[14:30] <OvenWerks> for most desktop use latency doesn't really matter
[14:30] <OvenWerks> phone use is the only one.
[14:31]  * OvenWerks considers tracking/swsynth not to be desktop use.
[14:31] <zequence> Time to head home. bb in a while
[14:31] <OvenWerks> ok
[14:31] <OvenWerks> I just woke up :)
[16:55] <zequence> OvenWerks: Good morning then :)
[16:59] <zequence> The browser is ok on the Ubuntu phone, and I can make calls and sms's. Also, there's a pretty ok Kodi app, which I just found.
[16:59] <zequence> Other than that, it's just good looking
[16:59] <zequence> And, the indicator menu is not very fun to navigate, all though it looks cool
[17:00] <zequence> I need owncloud support. Hard to get on any platform so you can get all-in-one
[17:01] <zequence> I'm still going to prefer it over almost any other kind of phone right now.
[20:30] <OvenWerks> zequence: my wife keeps threatening to give her old nex4 to me in which case I will be trying touch for sure.
[20:41] <zequence> OvenWerks: I just had a go using the Ubuntu SDK. A lot of stuff I've never dealt with. 
[20:42] <zequence> I think it was Nokia who developed QML, which is a javascript way of creating QT interfaces
[20:42] <zequence> Then, you have a lot of other stuff to figure out too. And you can use C++, which I have never learned
[20:43] <zequence> Also, not sure 2 month old examples are going to work on the latest IDE
[20:43] <zequence> ..and libraries
[20:43] <zequence> There are a lot of options for sure
[20:44] <zequence> Going to take some time to get into it, and also learn a bit of C++ while I do that
[20:45] <zequence> When you plug in the phone with USB, what you see is the home folder. Very simple. Music, Pictures, Downloads, etc
[20:45] <zequence> I like that.
[20:50] <zequence> Yeah, you might get a bit inspired too perhaps, if you get one in your hand :)
[20:59] <OvenWerks> zequence: c++ is slow going for me. I can at least write working c, though I often find debugging someone elses code tough. I don't do so well writing c++ though.
[21:29] <micahg> bug 1450992 was accepted to -proposed if anyone's interested in doing the verification
[21:37] <OvenWerks> micahg: thankyou. Will take a look... after I figure out (again) how to enable proposed.
[21:40] <micahg> OvenWerks: there's a link in the bug to do that
[21:40] <OvenWerks> Good, what I was doing showed everything but ardour.
[21:41] <micahg> s/to do/on how to do/
[21:41] <kubotu> micahg meant: "OvenWerks: there's a link in the bug on how to do that"
[21:41] <micahg> hi kubotu 
[21:41] <kubotu> salut, micahg
[21:46] <OvenWerks> Maybe it hasn't made it in there yet? (64bit)
[21:48] <OvenWerks> got it
[21:50] <OvenWerks> installed
[21:51] <micahg> normal usage stress testing would probably be sufficient, I've never used it, so can't really speak to what testing is appropriate
[21:51] <micahg> and that existing files open ok in the new version
[22:07] <OvenWerks> micahg: That seems to be a problem... I have moved some sessions and they don't work anymore, but then they don't work in ardour 4 either. A new session works, records, plays back etc. and sessions that have not been moved work ok too.
[22:14] <micahg> hrm
[22:14] <micahg> that sounds like a big problem
[22:15] <micahg> 3->4 can be understandable (would warrant a NEWS entry, but understandable), 3->3 seems problematic
[22:17] <OvenWerks> micahg: At this point I really can't say when the last time I opened one of those sessions was. The saved file format for ardour 3 and 4 is supposed to be interchangable.
[22:18] <OvenWerks> As I say, I may have mess them up when moving things around to clean things up give more disk space.
[22:19] <OvenWerks> My project directory is now a link to another disk. This works fine for new projects.
[22:22] <OvenWerks> *** Error in `/usr/lib/ardour3/ardour-3.5.403~dfsg-3~ubuntu14': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x00007fc9780015c0 *** doesn't sound real good
[22:23] <OvenWerks> Things created recently seem to work.
[22:24] <OvenWerks> Things created with A4 work.
[22:28] <OvenWerks> MIDI i/o works (for control surfaces anyway)
[22:34] <OvenWerks> micahg: The stuff that is causing trouble was done in 12.04. And some that I have tried are originally a2 projects.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> Anything current works, and anything that works with binaries from the ardour site works with the new a3 too.
[22:35] <micahg> can you downgrade and create one in utopic or trusty and then upgrade again?
[22:36] <OvenWerks> I am running trusty, I will try on an older partition.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> B in bit.
[22:39] <micahg> OvenWerks: I meant downgrade ardour :)
[22:50] <OvenWerks> micahg: Thats ok. booted 12.04 (wow have things changed sinse then...)
[22:51] <OvenWerks> created an ardour session with ardour 2 and one with ardour 3.
[22:51] <OvenWerks> the new ardour 3 is able to load and play both of them.
[22:53] <micahg> awesome
[22:55] <OvenWerks> trying the downgrade ardour option too.]
[22:57] <micahg> 12.04 doesn't have ardour3
[22:57] <OvenWerks> Mine does...
[22:57] <micahg> haha
[22:57] <OvenWerks> (binary dl from ardour.
[22:59] <OvenWerks> micahg: all of the sessions that didn't work on the new a3 don't work with 308 either
[22:59] <OvenWerks> So I would put that down to bad files/sessions.
[23:00] <micahg> ok, that's good, can we please also check if our ardour3 files created in trusty work with the new upgrade?
[23:00] <OvenWerks> just doing that now.
[23:00] <micahg> great, thans
[23:00] <micahg> s/thans/thanks/
[23:00] <kubotu> micahg meant: "great, thanks"
[23:00] <micahg> salut kubotu 
[23:00] <kubotu> yo micahg :)
[23:03] <OvenWerks> I guess I have to upgrade again now... to try it out in 403
[23:04] <micahg> right :)
[23:07] <OvenWerks> looks good, plays back old project and was able to add another track and record. session saves and reloads too.
[23:07] <micahg> awesome, so that means 14.04 passes?
[23:07] <OvenWerks> micahg: this is not a real complete test, but that would really take a long time
[23:07] <OvenWerks> I would pass it yes.
[23:08] <micahg> well, I'll leave it to you and zequence how much testing you want to do for the SRU
[23:08] <micahg> I'm just here to push buttons :)
[23:09] <OvenWerks> Ja, where do I go to call it verified?
[23:09] <OvenWerks> On the bug report I guess
[23:10] <micahg> yeah, there should be instructions in the second link about SRU verification
[23:10] <micahg> 14.10 will need to be checked as well
[23:11] <OvenWerks> basically says add a comment to the bug.
[23:12] <micahg> and the comment mentions updating the tag from verification needed to verification-done, but I'd suggest adding something like verification-done-trusty
[23:12] <OvenWerks> right.
[23:21] <OvenWerks> I don't have 14.10 available to me. zequence may have a loaded copy already.
[23:48] <OvenWerks> zequence: I have tested ardour3 in proposed on trusty, do you have 14.10 installed somewhere?
[23:48] <OvenWerks> zequence: it needs a verify there.