[05:55] These namings make me learn more English [06:00] Think I'm going to do a couple of apps for the phone this month, to see how that works [06:00] Would be nice to get controls for jack to begin with. Also, some simple recording software. [06:00] ..and I'd like to be able to run pd patches on it as well [06:13] Actually, might as well make -controls have an app version, which can set up rt privilege and control jack, and PA integration [06:14] I'll start working on that next week, once I get inemployed again [06:14] unemployed* [08:28] I'm thinking of scopes too. We should add a Ubuntu Studio scope [14:26] zequence: how is the latency? Are you dealing directly with alsa? It seems to me the docs I have read indicate that androids latency problems come not from HW so much as the extra layers between alsa and the application. [14:26] OvenWerks: Seems to be PA. Haven't actually investigated [14:27] I tried the simple piano app, with which you can play one note at the time [14:27] There is latency, no doubt [14:27] But it's not half a second. It's small, but very audible [14:27] zequence: on android a simple piano is not playable because of latency [14:28] I also put a "drum kit" on it and it was a waste of time for latency [14:28] Haven't tried anything with jack yet. There's probably nothing I can run with it [14:29] zequence: I think PA can be set to different latencys (buffer size) [14:29] Still know all too little about the system, but I'm assuming you can have it run jack in realtime pretty easily [14:29] Haven't actually tried PA latency on the desktop, so don't know how it compares [14:30] for most desktop use latency doesn't really matter [14:30] phone use is the only one. [14:31] * OvenWerks considers tracking/swsynth not to be desktop use. [14:31] Time to head home. bb in a while [14:31] ok [14:31] I just woke up :) [16:55] OvenWerks: Good morning then :) [16:59] The browser is ok on the Ubuntu phone, and I can make calls and sms's. Also, there's a pretty ok Kodi app, which I just found. [16:59] Other than that, it's just good looking [16:59] And, the indicator menu is not very fun to navigate, all though it looks cool [17:00] I need owncloud support. Hard to get on any platform so you can get all-in-one [17:01] I'm still going to prefer it over almost any other kind of phone right now. [20:30] zequence: my wife keeps threatening to give her old nex4 to me in which case I will be trying touch for sure. [20:41] OvenWerks: I just had a go using the Ubuntu SDK. A lot of stuff I've never dealt with. [20:42] I think it was Nokia who developed QML, which is a javascript way of creating QT interfaces [20:42] Then, you have a lot of other stuff to figure out too. And you can use C++, which I have never learned [20:43] Also, not sure 2 month old examples are going to work on the latest IDE [20:43] ..and libraries [20:43] There are a lot of options for sure [20:44] Going to take some time to get into it, and also learn a bit of C++ while I do that [20:45] When you plug in the phone with USB, what you see is the home folder. Very simple. Music, Pictures, Downloads, etc [20:45] I like that. [20:50] Yeah, you might get a bit inspired too perhaps, if you get one in your hand :) [20:59] zequence: c++ is slow going for me. I can at least write working c, though I often find debugging someone elses code tough. I don't do so well writing c++ though. [21:29] bug 1450992 was accepted to -proposed if anyone's interested in doing the verification [21:29] bug 1450992 in ardour3 (Ubuntu Utopic) "audio and MIDI files irreversibly deleted from disk" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1450992 [21:37] micahg: thankyou. Will take a look... after I figure out (again) how to enable proposed. [21:40] OvenWerks: there's a link in the bug to do that [21:40] Good, what I was doing showed everything but ardour. [21:41] s/to do/on how to do/ [21:41] micahg meant: "OvenWerks: there's a link in the bug on how to do that" [21:41] hi kubotu [21:41] salut, micahg [21:46] Maybe it hasn't made it in there yet? (64bit) [21:48] got it [21:50] installed [21:51] normal usage stress testing would probably be sufficient, I've never used it, so can't really speak to what testing is appropriate [21:51] and that existing files open ok in the new version [22:07] micahg: That seems to be a problem... I have moved some sessions and they don't work anymore, but then they don't work in ardour 4 either. A new session works, records, plays back etc. and sessions that have not been moved work ok too. [22:14] hrm [22:14] that sounds like a big problem [22:15] 3->4 can be understandable (would warrant a NEWS entry, but understandable), 3->3 seems problematic [22:17] micahg: At this point I really can't say when the last time I opened one of those sessions was. The saved file format for ardour 3 and 4 is supposed to be interchangable. [22:18] As I say, I may have mess them up when moving things around to clean things up give more disk space. [22:19] My project directory is now a link to another disk. This works fine for new projects. [22:22] *** Error in `/usr/lib/ardour3/ardour-3.5.403~dfsg-3~ubuntu14': double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x00007fc9780015c0 *** doesn't sound real good [22:23] Things created recently seem to work. [22:24] Things created with A4 work. [22:28] MIDI i/o works (for control surfaces anyway) [22:34] micahg: The stuff that is causing trouble was done in 12.04. And some that I have tried are originally a2 projects. [22:35] Anything current works, and anything that works with binaries from the ardour site works with the new a3 too. [22:35] can you downgrade and create one in utopic or trusty and then upgrade again? [22:36] I am running trusty, I will try on an older partition. [22:36] B in bit. [22:39] OvenWerks: I meant downgrade ardour :) [22:50] micahg: Thats ok. booted 12.04 (wow have things changed sinse then...) [22:51] created an ardour session with ardour 2 and one with ardour 3. [22:51] the new ardour 3 is able to load and play both of them. [22:53] awesome [22:55] trying the downgrade ardour option too.] [22:57] 12.04 doesn't have ardour3 [22:57] Mine does... [22:57] haha [22:57] (binary dl from ardour. [22:59] micahg: all of the sessions that didn't work on the new a3 don't work with 308 either [22:59] So I would put that down to bad files/sessions. [23:00] ok, that's good, can we please also check if our ardour3 files created in trusty work with the new upgrade? [23:00] just doing that now. [23:00] great, thans [23:00] s/thans/thanks/ [23:00] micahg meant: "great, thanks" [23:00] salut kubotu [23:00] yo micahg :) [23:03] I guess I have to upgrade again now... to try it out in 403 [23:04] right :) [23:07] looks good, plays back old project and was able to add another track and record. session saves and reloads too. [23:07] awesome, so that means 14.04 passes? [23:07] micahg: this is not a real complete test, but that would really take a long time [23:07] I would pass it yes. [23:08] well, I'll leave it to you and zequence how much testing you want to do for the SRU [23:08] I'm just here to push buttons :) [23:09] Ja, where do I go to call it verified? [23:09] On the bug report I guess [23:10] yeah, there should be instructions in the second link about SRU verification [23:10] 14.10 will need to be checked as well [23:11] basically says add a comment to the bug. [23:12] and the comment mentions updating the tag from verification needed to verification-done, but I'd suggest adding something like verification-done-trusty [23:12] right. [23:21] I don't have 14.10 available to me. zequence may have a loaded copy already. [23:48] zequence: I have tested ardour3 in proposed on trusty, do you have 14.10 installed somewhere? [23:48] zequence: it needs a verify there.