[00:16] Unit193, ochosi, I made a few tiny suggestions on the Core doc. Just some commas and a lowercase "d" (because it's not a new sentence). [02:40] evening folks [02:41] Howdy, bluesabre. Archive open, syncy time? [02:41] pretty much [02:41] have the autosyncs started yet? [02:41] Don't bother with thunar yet. [02:41] Yep. [02:41] xfcegui4 won't sync though. [02:42] gtk-xfce-engine being out of your set? [02:42] yeah, thats outside of my set [02:42] gui4 has ubuntu so it wont sync [02:42] so I can sync that one :) [02:42] Yep. [02:43] -s unit193! :---D [02:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/10994070/ [02:44] :D [02:45] * Unit193 wonders what bluesabre's using... [02:45] packages.{debian|ubuntu} and a crappy crawler [02:46] https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html :D [02:46] :D [02:46] https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce.html too, but don't think that's so much. [02:47] ubuntu tools seem to also crawl packages. [02:47] syncpackage: Error: Version in Debian 4.10.0-2 (unstable) isn't newer than Ubuntu 4.10.0-2ubuntu1 (wily) [02:48] https://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libxfcegui4/news/20150505T220154Z.html [02:48] I know [02:48] packages.debian is slow to update [02:49] Oh well, will be there soon ehough... [02:49] indeed [02:49] will try again tomorrow [02:49] we could start working on the seed now [02:49] Wily bzr branches aren't there yet either, so can't propose merges. :/ [02:49] Don't break it! :P [02:50] heh [03:03] probably something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10994190/ [03:04] ubuntu without pdfimport and impress opengl transitions [03:05] Will likely have to blacklist some, no? [03:05] dunno [03:05] I believe so. [03:05] probably [03:05] And we want -math? [03:05] probably not [03:05] didn't know what we want, and we never voted on a concise list [03:06] can and probably should start with just writer/calc [03:06] I'd go with calc and writer for now, I believe -math will be pulled in though. [03:15] eh, no meta wily branch right now either to play with [03:15] so, I think I'll just be productive with this stuff tomorrow instead [03:15] So I had to go with poking someone that'd uploaded it before. [03:15] bluesabre: Well, seed will still get it, no? [03:16] yeah, I can push my changes to the seed at least [03:17] Oh, did you look over the draft, on a technical note? [03:17] jjfrv8: Thanks! [03:19] just did [03:19] the draft looks good [03:20] :) [03:26] Great! [03:26] bluesabre: thunar .8 is in svn. [03:34] good to know [03:34] except the svn part [03:34] D: [03:34] !info git-svn [03:34] git-svn (source: git): fast, scalable, distributed revision control system (svn interoperability). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.1.4-2.1 (vivid), package size 91 kB, installed size 871 kB [03:35] noted [03:35] bed time for now [03:35] G'nighty. [03:35] back tomorrow [03:35] :D [03:35] night [06:35] Unit193: anything else on that article or shall we publish it? [06:35] or maybe pleia2 or elfy wanna give it a quick glance..? [06:35] (it's on x.org and about x-core) [06:35] I'll have a look [06:35] ty! [06:42] an introduction as to *why* someone might want it may be useful [06:43] could reword the first paragraph to be that way, but as it is now it kind of jumps into the deep end :) [06:44] hehe [06:45] yeah, i tried to add some of that in with "fits on a CD", "good for ppl with limited bandwidth" [06:45] I even had some in the orig. [06:46] Not much, but still. === paolo_ is now known as paolo [06:52] 2 reasons to use this imo - don't want to download 1Gb and don't like the default apps [06:53] it's actually ok the way it is, and I'm going to bed :) so it's fine to publish as it [06:53] ha ha [06:54] made it a bit easier to read [06:54] pleia2: G'night! [06:56] I'm good with publishing it too [07:08] ok, i'll go ahead then [07:08] and done. thanks Unit193! [07:09] Sure, thanks for fixing. :P [07:12] * Unit193 waits for it to load... [07:13] ochosi: mmm so a bit confused here, grabbed xfpm from git and did all that stuff [07:14] mkay..? [07:14] why do I get updates from ppa for it? [07:14] oh, well that's because the 1.4.4 branch diverged [07:14] and yeah, that obviously breaks everything, if you get an update from the PPA :) [07:14] yea [07:14] PPA = daily. [07:14] that's what I was a thinking ... [07:15] git master is still 1.4.3 [07:15] I'll have another go at clean install later today - had some grrr moments yesterday [07:15] mm sure, no rush [07:16] haven't had time to work on it much more so far [07:17] just lemme know whenever you get to it [07:21] yep [07:59] mm may poke gmusicbrowser, and see how much perl will mess with my mind :P [08:01] lderan: you can, note that the source is quite ample and written by a single person, so the logic isn't exactly clear as crystal (from my pov) [08:02] fair ennough [08:03] just sayin, as a former contributor ;) [08:03] :P [08:03] however, a lot can be done layout/UI wise with gmusicbrowser [08:03] it has its own layout language [08:04] so maybe that would be a good entry point [08:04] looking at those files right now [08:04] Be aware there's a layout patch we use. [08:04] and plugins aren't that hard to write [08:04] (i mean if i managed, you surely will) [08:04] ochosi: It supports mpv now as well, just in case you didn't know. [08:05] i know [08:05] is that a plus for you? :) [08:05] Just "interesting" [08:05] that would actually be quite nice for parole as well, adding an mplayer backend [08:05] or libvlc [08:06] but then again, what a waste of time. could just as well use mplayer or vlc directly... [08:06] lderan: if you wanna work on parole, i'd have a few ideas for you ;) [08:06] oo [08:06] e.g. make a gstreamer-plugin installer with packagekit. shouldn't be too hard, but bluesabre and me just never got round to it [08:07] sure sounds like fun :) [08:07] we even used to have some sample code for that, but i'm sure you can find it on the web [08:07] we currently use a crappy gstreamer internal script that should ideally install the codecs when needed, but it doesn't really work well [08:08] oh dear, well will have a play this evening after work :) [08:13] cool, lemme know how it goes [08:18] will do [09:33] Unit193: btw, i started social-media-ing the -core post, we'll see how much attention it'll generate [09:33] Awesomeness! [09:34] Noticed a wordpress pingback, https://www.bitblokes.de/2015/05/xubuntu-core-wird-ab-wily-werewolf-offiziell/ [09:34] oh, ok, already got reshared [09:34] oh darn, those folks even put up a screenshot [09:34] we should've done that... [09:34] "Oops" [09:34] It's Xubuntu, it looks like Xubuntu. [09:35] no, i meant the first one, that's sort of nice [09:35] the installer screenshot [09:37] Oooh. [09:37] That's the syslinux default. [09:37] Except, added in core. [09:37] yeah, ofc [09:37] i tend to think it's just nice to show ppl *something* [09:37] (as long as it's related) [09:39] * Unit193 shows a picture of ochosi's face. [09:40] I, err, thought/couldn't remember if I disabled the disabling of maybe-ubiquity. "oops" [09:46] ochosi: You pay attention to the G+ community? (Not page) [10:29] Unit193: yeah, showing my face would have been an almost viable alternative [10:30] and i think i'm subscribed to the g+ community, yes [10:39] I glance in every so often, but if I want to do more I'm going to have to convert my unit193@ into G+.. [14:50] nice that they picked it up as newsworthy, but really, why did they have to show off xubuntu core with simply an historic screenshot... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Xubuntu-Core-Announced [14:50] Unit193: *that* ^ is exactly why we should have provided one... [14:50] looks like 4.6 or something... [14:58] Seeing as how "core" has come up, does it come with USC or synaptic? [15:00] wow..small iso (for these bloated days) :) [15:05] aye very snazzy [16:21] ochosi: they have done the same for 15.04 and most all phoronix news for xubuntu, they just have one image and re use it [16:22] see, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Xubuntu-15.10-Defaults [16:29] But at least that one's labeled "flashback". [16:44] shared on the social medias [16:54] GridCube: the panel layout shown in that screenshot is actually cool :) [16:55] looks like xubuntu did mimic gnome 2 back then [16:55] retro-xubuntu-core :) [17:04] ochosi: has new and clean install - not got our ppa's working yet [17:04] that said - it appears to have the power plugin working with an icon [17:12] ochosi: so - if having a working plugin icon makes it null and void on this I'll make it a wily beast - just let me know what's best for testing this issue [19:05] ochosi: latest postion here - git cloned, did the necessary and now power manager fails badly :) [20:46] ochosi: He'd have done that anyway, he's trying to show Xfce as old and outdated any chance he gets. Did that last post about Xubuntu/Xfce too. [20:50] but won't this screenshot attract new users who want the old gnome 2 experience + lock & feel? :> [21:06] oh hey, I'm supposed to schedule a meeting [21:08] elfy: how does 1800 on tuesday work for you? [21:08] ^^ and others, but I want to talk to elfy :D [21:09] monday and wednesday within 2 hours of that work too [21:37] elfy: how badly? [21:38] pleia2: i'm abroad travelling all of next week, so i won't make it either way i guess [21:38] the week after that i'll be back and available [21:39] I won't be :) [21:39] oh [21:39] well, i guess that happens :) [21:39] indeed [21:45] Unit193: so this might be one of the reasons for your new bandwidth peaks: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/xubuntu-core-new-minimal-iso-download [21:46] big blue link at the bottom really invites you to click it [21:56] Yep, saw that one too. Not looked at the Phoronix one yet. [21:57] See much/any feedback? [22:02] every comment on social media is positive (2 comments on g+, 5 on fb, 1 on twitter that also asked about boot speed) [22:02] yeah, a bit [22:02] quite positive so far [22:02] for the official outlets [22:02] some folks asked what exactly is there (or what isn't) [22:02] which is a legit question [22:03] 40 likes on facebook, 64 +1s on G+ and 7 retweets [22:03] all quite good for those resources [22:05] :D [22:05] nice job [22:05] evening bluesabre [22:05] is -core supported here or in #xubuntu? [22:05] well, this is not a support channel really [22:06] but i guess since it isn't official yet and if you have technical questions about it.. [22:06] True, but I wan't sure when it stopped being in develment and became a release. [22:07] hmwell, today i guess :) [22:07] Is coreLive and core-installed the same (i.e., no repos listed? [22:09] evening all [22:09] ochosi: saw your mail this morning, will get a proper response on that :) [22:09] bluesabre: sure, no rush from my side. just wanted to put it out there. so feel free to take your time [22:19] bluesabre: about the libreoffice icons... [22:19] i think i could work something out, but it'd be great if we could split that task up a bit [22:20] doing the icon part alone will be quite time consuming, but i'm afraid of having to invest even more time into upstreaming everything [22:20] i could see myself handling the icons [22:21] even during this cycle, if needed [22:22] * ochosi has a feeling we might end up sticking with LO [22:22] I was thinking about taking a look at it and see if maybe it would be reasonable to create a gtk icon theme conversion tool [22:23] nah, not really [22:23] many special icons that you wont find in a normal gtk icon theme [22:23] ah, gotcha [22:23] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/human [22:23] this dir alone is not much fun: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/human/cmd [22:24] O.O [22:28] you guys are almost reddit frontpage :D [22:28] oh wait, nope, i was in the wrong page :-( [22:30] :D [22:30] D: [22:33] ochosi: still seems like there would be quite a bit of overlap with existing icons [22:35] I might put together something handy for that this week, but don't wait for me on that :) [22:47] bluesabre: heh, well, what now, do i wait for your script or do i just port the icons over? :) [22:49] If you want to get started go ahead [22:49] I was thinking I might look into image matching and see if I can get icon names by comparing tango LO theme with tango gtk theme [22:50] no idea how well that would work, ofc [23:01] bluesabre: Massive uploadds to unstabler. \o/ [23:01] Please excuse the typos, laaaaaaaaag. [23:03] :D [23:03] Unit193: enjoying the popularity of -core downloads? :D [23:04] Hah, that server is fine. Uploading kali from loki not so much. [23:04] bluesabre: But yeah, a but. :D [23:05] wait till the complaints start coming in (and you know they will :) [23:06] Right. So thanks about the feedback, didn't see them. As to the difference? How technical did you need/want? [23:07] drc: Yeeeep, just forward those to bluesabre though! ;) [23:09] Ah...the joys of delegation. [23:09] ah, you're right! [23:09] I can forward those back to Unit193 [23:09] :D [23:09] >.> [23:09] <.< [23:09] a mobius forward? [23:12] bluesabre: the question is whether you wanna do more than 1 icon theme i guess. for one, a script might not be worth the effort [23:12] anyway, time to sleep [23:12] night all! [23:12] G'night. [23:15] night ochosi [23:15] depending on how long it takes to do the matching, this might be better for even one