[00:16] <jjfrv8> Unit193, ochosi, I made a few tiny suggestions on the Core doc. Just some commas and a lowercase "d" (because it's not a new sentence).
[02:40] <bluesabre> evening folks
[02:41] <Unit193> Howdy, bluesabre.  Archive open, syncy time?
[02:41] <bluesabre> pretty much
[02:41] <bluesabre> have the autosyncs started yet?
[02:41] <Unit193> Don't bother with thunar yet.
[02:41] <Unit193> Yep.
[02:41] <Unit193> xfcegui4 won't sync though.
[02:42] <Unit193> gtk-xfce-engine being out of your set?
[02:42] <bluesabre> yeah, thats outside of my set
[02:42] <bluesabre> gui4 has ubuntu so it wont sync
[02:42] <bluesabre> so I can sync that one :)
[02:42] <Unit193> Yep.
[02:43] <Unit193> -s unit193! :---D
[02:44] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10994070/
[02:44] <bluesabre> :D
[02:45]  * Unit193 wonders what bluesabre's using...
[02:45] <bluesabre> packages.{debian|ubuntu} and a crappy crawler
[02:46] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html :D
[02:46] <bluesabre> :D
[02:46] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce.html too, but don't think that's so much.
[02:47] <bluesabre> ubuntu tools seem to also crawl packages.
[02:47] <bluesabre> syncpackage: Error: Version in Debian 4.10.0-2 (unstable) isn't newer than Ubuntu 4.10.0-2ubuntu1 (wily)
[02:48] <Unit193> https://packages.qa.debian.org/libx/libxfcegui4/news/20150505T220154Z.html
[02:48] <bluesabre> I know
[02:48] <bluesabre> packages.debian is slow to update
[02:49] <Unit193> Oh well, will be there soon ehough...
[02:49] <bluesabre> indeed
[02:49] <bluesabre> will try again tomorrow
[02:49] <bluesabre> we could start working on the seed now
[02:49] <Unit193> Wily bzr branches aren't there yet either, so can't propose merges. :/
[02:49] <Unit193> Don't break it! :P
[02:50] <bluesabre> heh
[03:03] <bluesabre> probably something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10994190/
[03:04] <bluesabre> ubuntu without pdfimport and impress opengl transitions
[03:05] <Unit193> Will likely have to blacklist some, no?
[03:05] <bluesabre> dunno
[03:05] <Unit193> I believe so.
[03:05] <bluesabre> probably
[03:05] <Unit193> And we want -math?
[03:05] <bluesabre> probably not
[03:05] <bluesabre> didn't know what we want, and we never voted on a concise list
[03:06] <bluesabre> can and probably should start with just writer/calc
[03:06] <Unit193> I'd go with calc and writer for now, I believe -math will be pulled in though.
[03:15] <bluesabre> eh, no meta wily branch right now either to play with
[03:15] <bluesabre> so, I think I'll just be productive with this stuff tomorrow instead
[03:15] <Unit193> So I had to go with poking someone that'd uploaded it before.
[03:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: Well, seed will still get it, no?
[03:16] <bluesabre> yeah, I can push my changes to the seed at least
[03:17] <Unit193> Oh, did you look over the draft, on a technical note?
[03:17] <Unit193> jjfrv8: Thanks!
[03:19] <bluesabre> just did
[03:19] <bluesabre> the draft looks good
[03:20] <bluesabre> :)
[03:26] <Unit193> Great!
[03:26] <Unit193> bluesabre: thunar .8 is in svn.
[03:34] <bluesabre> good to know
[03:34] <bluesabre> except the svn part
[03:34] <bluesabre> D:
[03:34] <Unit193> !info git-svn
[03:35] <bluesabre> noted
[03:35] <bluesabre> bed time for now
[03:35] <Unit193> G'nighty.
[03:35] <bluesabre> back tomorrow
[03:35] <bluesabre> :D
[03:35] <bluesabre> night
[06:35] <ochosi> Unit193: anything else on that article or shall we publish it?
[06:35] <ochosi> or maybe pleia2 or elfy wanna give it a quick glance..?
[06:35] <ochosi> (it's on x.org and about x-core)
[06:35] <pleia2> I'll have a look
[06:35] <ochosi> ty!
[06:42] <pleia2> an introduction as to *why* someone might want it may be useful
[06:43] <pleia2> could reword the first paragraph to be that way, but as it is now it kind of jumps into the deep end :)
[06:44] <ochosi> hehe
[06:45] <ochosi> yeah, i tried to add some of that in with "fits on a CD", "good for ppl with limited bandwidth"
[06:45] <Unit193> I even had some in the orig.
[06:46] <Unit193> Not much, but still.
[06:52] <elfy> 2 reasons to use this imo - don't want to download 1Gb and don't like the default apps
[06:53] <pleia2> it's actually ok the way it is, and I'm going to bed :) so it's fine to publish as it
[06:53] <elfy> ha ha 
[06:54] <elfy> made it a bit easier to read 
[06:54] <Unit193> pleia2: G'night!
[06:56] <elfy> I'm good with publishing it too
[07:08] <ochosi> ok, i'll go ahead then
[07:08] <ochosi> and done. thanks Unit193!
[07:09] <Unit193> Sure, thanks for fixing. :P
[07:12]  * Unit193 waits for it to load...
[07:13] <elfy> ochosi: mmm so a bit confused here, grabbed xfpm from git and did all that stuff 
[07:14] <ochosi> mkay..?
[07:14] <elfy> why do I get updates from ppa for it? 
[07:14] <ochosi> oh, well that's because the 1.4.4 branch diverged
[07:14] <ochosi> and yeah, that obviously breaks everything, if you get an update from the PPA :)
[07:14] <elfy> yea 
[07:14] <Unit193> PPA = daily.
[07:14] <elfy> that's what I was a thinking ... 
[07:15] <ochosi> git master is still 1.4.3
[07:15] <elfy> I'll have another go at  clean install later today - had some grrr moments yesterday
[07:15] <ochosi> mm sure, no rush
[07:16] <ochosi> haven't had time to work on it much more so far
[07:17] <ochosi> just lemme know whenever you get to it
[07:21] <elfy> yep
[07:59] <lderan> mm may poke gmusicbrowser, and see how much perl will mess with my mind :P
[08:01] <ochosi> lderan: you can, note that the source is quite ample and written by a single person, so the logic isn't exactly clear as crystal (from my pov)
[08:02] <lderan> fair ennough
[08:03] <ochosi> just sayin, as a former contributor ;)
[08:03] <lderan> :P
[08:03] <ochosi> however, a lot can be done layout/UI wise with gmusicbrowser
[08:03] <ochosi> it has its own layout language
[08:04] <ochosi> so maybe that would be a good entry point
[08:04] <lderan> looking at those files right now
[08:04] <Unit193> Be aware there's a layout patch we use.
[08:04] <ochosi> and plugins aren't that hard to write
[08:04] <ochosi> (i mean if i managed, you surely will)
[08:04] <Unit193> ochosi: It supports mpv now as well, just in case you didn't know.
[08:05] <ochosi> i know
[08:05] <ochosi> is that a plus for you? :)
[08:05] <Unit193> Just "interesting"
[08:05] <ochosi> that would actually be quite nice for parole as well, adding an mplayer backend
[08:05] <ochosi> or libvlc
[08:06] <ochosi> but then again, what a waste of time. could just as well use mplayer or vlc directly...
[08:06] <ochosi> lderan: if you wanna work on parole, i'd have a few ideas for you ;)
[08:06] <lderan> oo
[08:06] <ochosi> e.g. make a gstreamer-plugin installer with packagekit. shouldn't be too hard, but bluesabre and me just never got round to it
[08:07] <lderan> sure sounds like fun :)
[08:07] <ochosi> we even used to have some sample code for that, but i'm sure you can find it on the web
[08:07] <ochosi> we currently use a crappy gstreamer internal script that should ideally install the codecs when needed, but it doesn't really work well
[08:08] <lderan> oh dear, well will have a play this evening after work :)
[08:13] <ochosi> cool, lemme know how it goes
[08:18] <lderan> will do
[09:33] <ochosi> Unit193: btw, i started social-media-ing the -core post, we'll see how much attention it'll generate
[09:33] <Unit193> Awesomeness!
[09:34] <Unit193> Noticed a wordpress pingback, https://www.bitblokes.de/2015/05/xubuntu-core-wird-ab-wily-werewolf-offiziell/
[09:34] <ochosi> oh, ok, already got reshared
[09:34] <ochosi> oh darn, those folks even put up a screenshot
[09:34] <ochosi> we should've done that...
[09:34] <Unit193> "Oops"
[09:34] <Unit193> It's Xubuntu, it looks like Xubuntu.
[09:35] <ochosi> no, i meant the first one, that's sort of nice
[09:35] <ochosi> the installer screenshot
[09:37] <Unit193> Oooh.
[09:37] <Unit193> That's the syslinux default.
[09:37] <Unit193> Except, added in core.
[09:37] <ochosi> yeah, ofc
[09:37] <ochosi> i tend to think it's just nice to show ppl *something*
[09:37] <ochosi> (as long as it's related)
[09:39]  * Unit193 shows a picture of ochosi's face.
[09:40] <Unit193> I, err, thought/couldn't remember if I disabled the disabling of maybe-ubiquity.  "oops"
[09:46] <Unit193> ochosi: You pay attention to the G+ community?  (Not page)
[10:29] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, showing my face would have been an almost viable alternative
[10:30] <ochosi> and i think i'm subscribed to the g+ community, yes
[10:39] <Unit193> I glance in every so often, but if I want to do more I'm going to have to convert my unit193@ into G+..
[14:50] <ochosi> nice that they picked it up as newsworthy, but really, why did they have to show off xubuntu core with simply an historic screenshot... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Xubuntu-Core-Announced
[14:50] <ochosi> Unit193: *that* ^ is exactly why we should have provided one...
[14:50] <ochosi> looks like 4.6 or something...
[14:58] <drc> Seeing as how "core" has come up, does it come with USC or synaptic?
[15:00] <drc> wow..small iso (for these bloated days) :)
[15:05] <lderan> aye very snazzy
[16:21] <GridCube> ochosi: they have done the same for 15.04 and most all phoronix news for xubuntu, they just have one image and re use it
[16:22] <GridCube> see, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Xubuntu-15.10-Defaults
[16:29] <drc> But at least that one's labeled "flashback".
[16:44] <pleia2> shared on the social medias
[16:54] <brainwash_> GridCube: the panel layout shown in that screenshot is actually cool :)
[16:55] <brainwash_> looks like xubuntu did mimic gnome 2 back then
[16:55] <drc> retro-xubuntu-core :)
[17:04] <elfy> ochosi: has new and clean install - not got our ppa's working yet
[17:04] <elfy> that said - it appears to have the power plugin working with an icon
[17:12] <elfy> ochosi: so - if having a working plugin icon makes it null and void on this I'll make it a wily beast - just let me know what's best for testing this issue
[19:05] <elfy> ochosi: latest postion here - git cloned, did the necessary and now power manager fails badly :)
[20:46] <Unit193> ochosi: He'd have done that anyway, he's trying to show Xfce as old and outdated any chance he gets.  Did that last post about Xubuntu/Xfce too.
[20:50] <brainwash_> but won't this screenshot attract new users who want the old gnome 2 experience + lock & feel? :>
[21:06] <pleia2> oh hey, I'm supposed to schedule a meeting
[21:08] <pleia2> elfy: how does 1800 on tuesday work for you?
[21:08] <pleia2> ^^ and others, but I want to talk to elfy :D
[21:09] <pleia2> monday and wednesday within 2 hours of that work too
[21:37] <ochosi> elfy: how badly?
[21:38] <ochosi> pleia2: i'm abroad travelling all of next week, so i won't make it either way i guess
[21:38] <ochosi> the week after that i'll be back and available
[21:39] <pleia2> I won't be :)
[21:39] <ochosi> oh
[21:39] <ochosi> well, i guess that happens :)
[21:39] <pleia2> indeed
[21:45] <ochosi> Unit193: so this might be one of the reasons for your new bandwidth peaks: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/05/xubuntu-core-new-minimal-iso-download
[21:46] <ochosi> big blue link at the bottom really invites you to click it
[21:56] <Unit193> Yep, saw that one too.  Not looked at the Phoronix one yet.
[21:57] <Unit193> See much/any feedback?
[22:02] <pleia2> every comment on social media is positive (2 comments on g+, 5 on fb, 1 on twitter that also asked about boot speed)
[22:02] <ochosi> yeah, a bit
[22:02] <ochosi> quite positive so far
[22:02] <pleia2> for the official outlets
[22:02] <ochosi> some folks asked what exactly is there (or what isn't)
[22:02] <ochosi> which is a legit question
[22:03] <pleia2> 40 likes on facebook, 64 +1s on G+ and 7 retweets
[22:03] <pleia2> all quite good for those resources
[22:05] <bluesabre> :D
[22:05] <bluesabre> nice job
[22:05] <ochosi> evening bluesabre 
[22:05] <drc> is -core supported here or in #xubuntu?
[22:05] <ochosi> well, this is not a support channel really
[22:06] <ochosi> but i guess since it isn't official yet and if you have technical questions about it..
[22:06] <drc> True, but I wan't sure when it stopped being in develment and became a release.
[22:07] <ochosi> hmwell, today i guess :)
[22:07] <drc> Is coreLive and core-installed the same (i.e., no repos listed?
[22:09] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:09] <bluesabre> ochosi: saw your mail this morning, will get a proper response on that :)
[22:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: sure, no rush from my side. just wanted to put it out there. so feel free to take your time
[22:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: about the libreoffice icons...
[22:19] <ochosi> i think i could work something out, but it'd be great if we could split that task up a bit
[22:20] <ochosi> doing the icon part alone will be quite time consuming, but i'm afraid of having to invest even more time into upstreaming everything
[22:20] <ochosi> i could see myself handling the icons
[22:21] <ochosi> even during this cycle, if needed
[22:22]  * ochosi has a feeling we might end up sticking with LO
[22:22] <bluesabre> I was thinking about taking a look at it and see if maybe it would be reasonable to create a gtk icon theme conversion tool
[22:23] <ochosi> nah, not really
[22:23] <ochosi> many special icons that you wont find in a normal gtk icon theme
[22:23] <bluesabre> ah, gotcha
[22:23] <ochosi> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/human
[22:23] <ochosi> this dir alone is not much fun: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/tree/icon-themes/human/cmd
[22:24] <bluesabre> O.O
[22:28] <sidi> you guys are almost reddit frontpage :D
[22:28] <sidi> oh wait, nope, i was in the wrong page :-(
[22:30] <bluesabre> :D
[22:30] <bluesabre> D:
[22:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: still seems like there would be quite a bit of overlap with existing icons
[22:35] <bluesabre> I might put together something handy for that this week, but don't wait for me on that :)
[22:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: heh, well, what now, do i wait for your script or do i just port the icons over? :)
[22:49] <bluesabre> If you want to get started go ahead
[22:49] <bluesabre> I was thinking I might look into image matching and see if I can get icon names by comparing tango LO theme with tango gtk theme
[22:50] <bluesabre> no idea how well that would work, ofc
[23:01] <Unit193> bluesabre: Massive uploadds to unstabler. \o/
[23:01] <Unit193> Please excuse the typos, laaaaaaaaag.
[23:03] <bluesabre> :D
[23:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: enjoying the popularity of -core downloads? :D
[23:04] <Unit193> Hah, that server is fine.  Uploading kali from loki not so much.
[23:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: But yeah, a but. :D
[23:05] <drc> wait till the complaints start coming in (and you know they will :)
[23:06] <Unit193> Right.  So thanks about the feedback, didn't see them.  As to the difference?  How technical did you need/want?
[23:07] <Unit193> drc: Yeeeep, just forward those to bluesabre though! ;)
[23:09] <drc> Ah...the joys of delegation.
[23:09] <bluesabre> ah, you're right!
[23:09] <bluesabre> I can forward those back to Unit193
[23:09] <bluesabre> :D
[23:09] <bluesabre> >.>
[23:09] <bluesabre> <.<
[23:09] <drc> a mobius forward?
[23:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: the question is whether you wanna do more than 1 icon theme i guess. for one, a script might not be worth the effort
[23:12] <ochosi> anyway, time to sleep 
[23:12] <ochosi> night all!
[23:12] <Unit193> G'night.
[23:15] <bluesabre> night ochosi
[23:15] <bluesabre> depending on how long it takes to do the matching, this might be better for even one