| Etriaph | valorie: Nomination received. | 01:43 |
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| === pw2 is now known as PaulW2U | ||
| valorie | Etriaph: I figured I better get that done before I leave for a week | 05:00 |
| valorie | probably no IRC until I return from CT | 05:00 |
| Etriaph | Probably a good idea :D | 05:00 |
| Etriaph | Taking a vacation? | 05:00 |
| valorie | going to see my youngest graduate from college | 05:01 |
| valorie | didn't get to see them at all last year, so the visit is long overdue | 05:01 |
| Etriaph | Are you driving or flying cross country? | 05:02 |
| valorie | oh, flying | 05:05 |
| valorie | I wish I had time to drive, but not this year | 05:05 |
| valorie | not while my husband is off hiking for six months | 05:06 |
| valorie | perhaps when he decides, (and I know he will) to hike the Appalachian Trail | 05:07 |
| Etriaph | :) | 05:09 |
| Mirv | Riddell: too late for me at the time of your ping | 05:30 |
| lordievader | Goodmorning. | 06:38 |
| soee | good morning | 06:52 |
| lordievader | Hey soee | 07:01 |
| sitter | patch parser is broken again | 07:07 |
| sitter | ... | 07:07 |
| ovidiu-florin | we ship with python-svn version 1.7.8. Latest is 1.7.10. | 07:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | if I can't find it here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=python&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=vivid it means we don't have it packaged? | 07:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | or should I look somewere else? | 07:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | also http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/amd64/python-svn/filelist only adds the libs for python 2.7, they are also for python 3 | 07:35 |
| === faust is now known as Guest14235 | ||
| sitter | we do not maintain python-svn | 07:41 |
| vip | hello there | 09:25 |
| vip | any english native speaker here? I need the word for describing somebody, who issues commercial invoice | 09:25 |
| soee | vip try #english | 09:41 |
| Riddell | I can't think of a word it's probably just a finance or billing dept in most places | 09:49 |
| vip | thanks | 09:50 |
| sgclark | morning | 11:24 |
| soee | good morning sgclark | 11:26 |
| sitter | mh | 11:54 |
| sitter | apparentely I missed UOS | 11:54 |
| sgclark | haha | 11:54 |
| sitter | Riddell: you should have rang to remind me :P | 11:54 |
| sitter | although I was actually already in bed, hadn't had too much sleep the night before | 11:54 |
| sgclark | me either | 11:55 |
| sitter | sgclark: the hard hours of CI folk, eh? ^5 | 11:55 |
| sgclark | most everything we went over is in the trello board | 11:55 |
| sgclark | sitter: yah omg | 11:55 |
| sgclark | sitter: btw how is docker working for you since the switch to systemd, I can no longer get anything to work | 11:56 |
| sitter | sgclark: we are running LTS on our servers | 11:59 |
| sitter | though I haven't noticed any problems on my workspace either | 11:59 |
| sgclark | ahhh | 11:59 |
| sgclark | mm | 11:59 |
| sitter | sgclark: why are you not running 14.04 for the host? | 11:59 |
| === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter | ||
| sgclark | because it was my local machine lol | 12:00 |
| sitter | ah xD | 12:00 |
| sgclark | gonna have to sort out systemd eventually anyway, will keep trying | 12:00 |
| sitter | yeah, it doesn't actually start my docker on boot, and I can't be bothered to figure out why xD | 12:01 |
| sgclark | hehe | 12:02 |
| ScottK | ovidiu-florin: pysvn is team maintained in Debian. We can probably get it updated there and it'll sync into Ubuntu (but not today, I'm about to leave). | 12:03 |
| BluesKaj | Howdy folks | 12:14 |
| Riddell | "Myriam Schweingruber (myriam) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2016-05-12" yay Mamarok still loves us! | 12:35 |
| seaLne | the lwn subscription keeps them coming back ;-) | 12:39 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 12:41 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: very unlikely I will ever stop loving you folks :) | 12:46 |
| Mamarok | remember: I use Kubuntu since its existence | 12:47 |
| Riddell | Sick_Rimmit: ovidiu-florin 151 views, not bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFwAAjutC_0 | 13:31 |
| Riddell | mparillo: maybe a wire post with that video embedded and linked? ↑ | 13:32 |
| Darkwing | Sorry I missed the session last night, was it recorded anywhere? | 13:34 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: kickoff meeting at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22508/kubuntu-kickoff/ but that video will be super boring it's just us going over the trello items, you'd be better off just looking at the 15.10 trello board | 13:37 |
| Riddell | and plasma 5 demo at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22517/plasma-5-demo/ | 13:37 |
| Darkwing | Lol okay. | 13:37 |
| Darkwing | I'm sticking with Kubuntu 15.04 for its hidpi support. | 13:39 |
| Darkwing | As far as I understand the uniformed scaling (fonts and icons) this is a X11 issue more than a qt/plasma/KDE one. | 13:40 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: Plasma 5.3 has some hidpi support, next august applications and plasma releases will be perfect or at least so david says | 13:44 |
| Darkwing | As long as we keep in mind that there are varying levels for scale. | 13:45 |
| Darkwing | Gnome messed up with the "just double everything" | 13:45 |
| Riddell | qt is much better than that | 13:45 |
| Darkwing | Unity is honestly currently the best with support. | 13:46 |
| Darkwing | But, it's bloody ugly compared to kde | 13:46 |
| Riddell | :) | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: till i get a 4K display | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | and then everything will be screwed again :p | 13:52 |
| mparillo | Riddell: On it. Good work Sick_Rimmit and ovidiu-florin. | 14:22 |
| genii | I'm curious if this new thing of holding videoconference meetings with the public invited to watch will become a regular thing. | 14:34 |
| sitter | hm? it's been a thing for years | 14:36 |
| genii | sitter: Yesterday was the first I became aware of it, then. I like the idea, helps people to understand what's being done by who, what kind of constraints they are under like workload or school, etc, and puts faces to the names. | 14:38 |
| * ricktimmis Doh! must of left Sick_Rimmit logged in at home | 14:39 | |
| sitter | ghost him! | 14:39 |
| * sitter never actually ghosted an actually connected client | 14:40 | |
| sitter | genii: we just didn't do it as we had mumble calls on a different schedule | 14:40 |
| * genii makes more coffee and contemplates | 14:41 | |
| ricktimmis | This is my new shiny install of 15.04 Vivid, for my work machine, I traded in my Plasma 5 Tech Preview | 14:42 |
| * ricktimmis is happy boy!! | 14:42 | |
| sitter | \o/ | 14:42 |
| sitter | kubotu: order tea | 14:45 |
| * kubotu gives sitter a nice hot cup of tea. | 14:45 | |
| sitter | mh | 14:45 |
| sitter | kubotu: not that kind | 14:45 |
| * sitter smacks kubotu | 14:45 | |
| sitter | http://i.imgur.com/92Esu5Y.jpg ovidiu-florinception that is ^^ | 14:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: 273 views now :D | 16:18 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: I'll write a post for my blog this evening, maybe it can be used for wire | 16:18 |
| genii | I hope whoever is supposed to "find out what the hell snappy is" is watching the uos feed :) | 16:34 |
| BluesKaj | genii, yeah, I found the explanation understandable, but how it's going to be implemented is confusing | 16:37 |
| genii | Yes, not like PPA | 16:38 |
| BluesKaj | or a repos | 16:40 |
| BluesKaj | a proper repository that is | 16:40 |
| Riddell | hi ranveeraggarwal, ready to learn some packaging? | 16:41 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: sure | 16:42 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com | 16:42 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: in mnt | 16:42 |
| Riddell | make a directory called current | 16:43 |
| Riddell | and another one called new | 16:43 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: in ~/mnt | 16:43 |
| Riddell | (which is just the large hard disk you get along with an ec2) | 16:43 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: done | 16:44 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: in current use apt-get source packagekit | 16:44 |
| Riddell | to download the current stuff | 16:44 |
| Riddell | and check on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit-qt that it really is the latest | 16:44 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: now just to complicate life I see Debian has a newer version and we have diverged from them somewhat https://packages.debian.org/src:packagekit | 16:45 |
| Riddell | for simplicity we'll ignore it for now | 16:45 |
| Riddell | but maybe it we get problems we'll need to merge in debian's changes | 16:45 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: in the new/ directory download the latest upstream tar | 16:45 |
| ranveeraggarwal | I see. Debian indeed has newer versions of both packagekit and packagekit-qt | 16:46 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: but there's changes in ubuntu so we can't just take the debian version alas | 16:47 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: with tar you can miss out the J compression method, it'll work it out when uncompressing these days | 16:48 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: rename the tar file to follow the same pattern as the one in the current/ directory | 16:48 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Alright | 16:48 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: What pattern? | 16:50 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: I should have explained, you'll see in the current/ directory the current source "package" which is made up of 3 files, .orig.tar, debian.tar and .dsc | 16:50 |
| Riddell | the .orig.tar is the upstream source | 16:50 |
| Riddell | the debian.tar has the files that describe how to make the package | 16:50 |
| Riddell | and the .dsc is some metadata with checksums etc | 16:50 |
| Riddell | packagekit_0.8.17.orig.tar.xz is the pattern needed for the name | 16:51 |
| Riddell | lowercase underscore .orig | 16:51 |
| ranveeraggarwal | okay, got it | 16:51 |
| Riddell | just a rename from upstream's naming format for the file | 16:51 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: mv the PackageKit-1.0.6.tar.xz file not the directory | 16:52 |
| Riddell | too late! :) | 16:52 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Ah! My bad | 16:52 |
| Riddell | oh now you messed up :) | 16:52 |
| Riddell | rm -r and start again | 16:52 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Alrighty | 16:52 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Is is fine now? | 16:55 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: lovely, now inside that source directory copy the debian/ directory from the current package | 16:55 |
| Riddell | that debian.tar contains a debian/ directory with some files that get extracted into the source | 16:56 |
| Riddell | so uncompress it and mv the debian/ directory into the sources | 16:56 |
| Riddell | this is a pretty complex package :( | 16:57 |
| Riddell | lovely | 16:57 |
| Riddell | cd into the sources | 16:57 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: which editor do you like? | 16:57 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: I generally use sublime text, but I'm fine vim | 16:57 |
| Riddell | yep we have that installed | 16:58 |
| Riddell | export EDITOR=vim | 16:58 |
| Riddell | and run dch -i and it'll open an editor with a changelog template to add | 16:58 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: change the version number on the first line to the right one | 16:59 |
| Riddell | with -0ubuntu1 on the end | 16:59 |
| Riddell | add a 1 line description of what's changed | 16:59 |
| Riddell | and fix the name and e-mail | 16:59 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: 1.0.0 -> 1.0.6 | 17:00 |
| Riddell | uh oh what happened!? | 17:00 |
| ranveeraggarwal | I think I pressed a wrong key. Just undo-ed it | 17:01 |
| Riddell | phew :) | 17:01 |
| Riddell | fix name and e-mail | 17:01 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Do I put mine in there? | 17:01 |
| Riddell | yep | 17:02 |
| Riddell | lovely save and quit | 17:02 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: check that debian/changelog has updated | 17:03 |
| Riddell | looks good | 17:03 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Yep | 17:03 |
| Riddell | have a look in debian/ and see what's in there | 17:03 |
| Riddell | so aye, a complex package | 17:04 |
| Riddell | the .install files list the files that will go into each .deb that gets made | 17:04 |
| Riddell | rules is a makefile to describe how to compile the package | 17:04 |
| ranveeraggarwal | So is there someplace I can gt to know what all those files do? | 17:04 |
| Riddell | and control is the list of .debs that get made | 17:05 |
| Riddell | lots of places, none of them great | 17:05 |
| Riddell | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ | 17:05 |
| Riddell | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html for example | 17:05 |
| Riddell | the patches/ directory will contain patches that we add to the upstream source | 17:05 |
| Riddell | any questions? | 17:06 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Well, I get the high level overview, I'll explore the debian/ folder deeper later | 17:07 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: What's next? | 17:08 |
| Riddell | we need to work out what patches are still useful | 17:08 |
| Riddell | we use a tool called quilt to manage the patches | 17:09 |
| Riddell | look in patches/ to see what's there | 17:09 |
| Riddell | and from the top source directory run quilt push to see if the first one applies | 17:09 |
| Riddell | yay, 1 down :) | 17:10 |
| Riddell | do it again | 17:10 |
| Riddell | oh well | 17:10 |
| Riddell | it couldn't last | 17:10 |
| Riddell | let me have a look | 17:10 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: What exactly is happening there? Where are we pushing the patches to? | 17:10 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: they're patches to the source from the upstream tar | 17:11 |
| Riddell | e.g. this one wants to edit the /etc/packagekit.conf file | 17:11 |
| Riddell | but it doesn't seem to exist in this new version | 17:11 |
| Riddell | quilt push just applies them to the source | 17:11 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Oh, so that means, that patch got lost somewhere in between v0.8.17 and v1.0.6. Is that so? | 17:12 |
| Riddell | the file that patch applies to got lost | 17:12 |
| Riddell | so for now lets just remove the patch | 17:12 |
| Riddell | edit debian/patches/series and comment out the line with the patch name in it | 17:13 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Do I just put a `//` in front of defaults.diff? | 17:14 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: a # | 17:14 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: quilt push | 17:14 |
| Riddell | oh live is cruel | 17:15 |
| Riddell | this is why patches are evil | 17:15 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: ok so I forced it to apply then I edited the file based on installing the current one and working out what the patch it supposed to do | 17:20 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: this is only for a PPA and not the real archive or I'd take more care but hopefully I got it right | 17:20 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: ok quilt push again | 17:20 |
| Riddell | "Patch debian/patches/01_changelog-url.patch can be reverse-applied" so that's gone upstream | 17:21 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: comment it out in the series file | 17:21 |
| Riddell | push push | 17:22 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: another upstreamed, comment it out | 17:22 |
| Riddell | push! | 17:23 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: another upstreamed, comment it out | 17:23 |
| Riddell | meh | 17:24 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: yep looks like that got upstream although not exactly the same so comment that out too | 17:24 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Alright | 17:24 |
| Riddell | comment it out | 17:25 |
| Riddell | groovy comment that out too | 17:26 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Damn that latency. I need to get a better internet connection | 17:26 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Looks like it worked out :) | 17:26 |
| Riddell | the ec2 is in the US, they can probably be set up somewhere closer to you | 17:27 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: ok let's see if it compiles | 17:27 |
| Riddell | debuild -j2 is the magic command to make the package | 17:27 |
| Riddell | -j2 because we have 2 cores on this machine | 17:27 |
| Riddell | needs some build-depends packages installed | 17:28 |
| Riddell | the command to work out what they are is /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-sat<tab> | 17:28 |
| Riddell | it has a silly long name | 17:28 |
| Riddell | use sudo i think | 17:28 |
| ranveeraggarwal | What does this do? | 17:29 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: all packages will need other stuff installed to be compiled, those are listed in debian/control | 17:30 |
| Riddell | and this just installs that list of packages | 17:30 |
| Riddell | groovy, debuild -j2 again | 17:31 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: ah! Alright | 17:31 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: groovy, debuild -j2 again | 17:32 |
| ranveeraggarwal | The previous command still executing here | 17:33 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: no it's done | 17:33 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: I think it's taking time to std-out to my terminal | 17:34 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: has the connection dropped? can you type stuff in the terminal? | 17:34 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Yes, that's it. I'm on a relatively slower internet this week. So even though the process has completed, it's still throwing all its verbose out | 17:35 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: just start a new konsole and ssh in again ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com | 17:35 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Yep, that was the issue, it seems :) | 17:36 |
| Riddell | groovy, it's compiling | 17:37 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: looks like it all compiled | 17:38 |
| Riddell | not it's trying to move the files into place for each of the .deb | 17:38 |
| Riddell | which is done by the comment dh_install | 17:38 |
| ranveeraggarwal | It shows some error | 17:39 |
| Riddell | dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/etc/PackageKit/events/ debian/packagekit//etc/PackageKit/ returne│··················································································································· | 17:39 |
| Riddell | d exit code 1 | 17:39 |
| Riddell | dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/etc/PackageKit/events/ debian/packagekit//etc/PackageKit/ returned exit code 1 | 17:39 |
| Riddell | so it's trying to move the etc/PackageKit/events/ directory into place for the packagekit .deb | 17:40 |
| Riddell | but that directory doesn't exist any more | 17:40 |
| Riddell | so edit debian/packagekit.install and remove the line that lists it | 17:40 |
| Riddell | 3rd line | 17:40 |
| ranveeraggarwal | What do I put in place of it? | 17:41 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Alright, simply remove | 17:41 |
| Riddell | just remove | 17:41 |
| Riddell | now run dh_install --list-missing | 17:41 |
| Riddell | to see where it breaks now | 17:41 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Do I remove that line too? | 17:42 |
| Riddell | yep | 17:42 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: What now? | 17:44 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: did you remove the next one? | 17:44 |
| Riddell | if so run dh_install --list-missing again | 17:44 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Same issue | 17:45 |
| Riddell | you're getting the hang of this :) | 17:45 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Sort of :) | 17:46 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell : <>/pk-debuginfo-install isn't present in the .install file | 17:48 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: "debian/packagekit-tools" it's copying into that other .deb | 17:49 |
| Riddell | so open packagekit-tools.install and edit there | 17:49 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: What's the issue now? | 17:55 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: lovely, so now we have the opposite problem, new files and we need to work out which .deb to put them instal | 17:56 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: looking at the newer version from debian those files both go into debian/packagekit.install | 17:56 |
| Riddell | so add them there | 17:57 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Success! | 17:58 |
| Riddell | lovely | 17:58 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: debuild -nc | 17:58 |
| Riddell | will carry on the build with no-clear so it doesn't all compile again | 17:58 |
| Riddell | you don't really need the -j2 here, that's only useful for the compile stage which has already been done | 17:59 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Oh alright | 17:59 |
| Riddell | hmm some scary warnings about unresolvable symbole there | 17:59 |
| Riddell | it's done! | 18:00 |
| Riddell | so you should now have a bunch of .deb packages in the directory above .. | 18:00 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Yep! | 18:00 |
| Riddell | on your launchpad page https://launchpad.net/~ranveeraggarwal click create a PPA | 18:01 |
| Riddell | and fill in the form | 18:01 |
| Riddell | then we can upload this to the PPA | 18:01 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Done | 18:02 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: do you have gpg keys? | 18:02 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Nope, what are those? | 18:02 |
| Riddell | gpg keys are ecryption keys for pgp encryption and signing | 18:03 |
| Riddell | packages needs to be signed so that launchpad knows they come from you when you upload them | 18:03 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Oh, so do I create one on my local machine? | 18:04 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: yep | 18:05 |
| Riddell | gpg --gen-key | 18:05 |
| Riddell | and follow the defaults | 18:05 |
| Riddell | like I just did on the ec2 server | 18:05 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Alright, key generated. What to do now? | 18:10 |
| Riddell | see step 12 https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey#Importing_your_key_into_Launchpad_with_gpg | 18:11 |
| Riddell | just above that | 18:11 |
| Riddell | that'll send it to the keyserver | 18:11 |
| Riddell | it will have made files in ~/.gnupg and just like ssh there's a public part you can spread around and a private part you can never let anyone access | 18:12 |
| Riddell | so don't put it on this shared ec2 for example | 18:12 |
| Riddell | ranveeraggarwal: I need to leave shortly so I've made the source package with debuild -S and signed it from my computer with debsign -kjriddell@ubuntu.com -r ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/new/packagekit_1.0.6-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_source.changes | 18:16 |
| Riddell | and uploaded it to my ppa with dput -u ppa:jr/ppa packagekit_1.0.6-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_source.changes | 18:16 |
| Riddell | you can try and do the same | 18:17 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: Alright, I'm mostly done. Just waiting for the Email verification | 18:18 |
| === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun | ||
| sick_rimmit | Ello me lovelies :-) | 18:33 |
| ranveeraggarwal | Riddell: I signed it, but it says it has already been uploaded to ppa | 18:37 |
| ahoneybun | sick_rimmit: rick? | 18:47 |
| sick_rimmit | ahoneybun: Hey | 18:48 |
| sick_rimmit | ahoneybun: Yes thats me | 18:48 |
| ahoneybun | pretty crazy yesterday lol | 18:48 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: I was having the issue with Dolphin regarding places, and I'm trying to install kde-baseapps from vivid-proposed, but it doesn't seem to be one of the packages I can update. | 18:54 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: Riddell sent me a link to it suggesting that I try out the proposed package, just looking for some direction | 18:54 |
| BluesKaj | dolphin places doen't accept added folders either network or others ..so far at least | 18:55 |
| Etriaph | BluesKaj: Someone has fixed this upstream, the bug on bko is resolved | 18:56 |
| sick_rimmit | ahoneybun: Hey it was fun, and I think we made a jolly good show of it :-) | 18:56 |
| Etriaph | sick_rimmit: ahoneybun, I would love to see some use cases for productivity put forward as some interactive web seminars. | 18:57 |
| sick_rimmit | Etriaph: Funny you should mention that, I'm just working on the very medium for said thing | 18:58 |
| Etriaph | sick_rimmit: Excellent. Any chance I can put forward a couple of topics I think would draw people to the community? | 18:58 |
| sick_rimmit | Etriaph: Absolutely!! That would be Ace! - Can you hold them on ice for a few days, whilst I get all the stuff setup, then you'll have a place to post them. | 19:00 |
| Etriaph | sick_rimmit: Yup, just let me know when you're ready. :D | 19:01 |
| Etriaph | BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1422469 is the bug I was talking about (lp version) | 19:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1422469 in kio (Ubuntu Wily) "Dolphin won't keep the folder shortcuts on Kubuntu 15.04 with Plasma 5." [Medium,Confirmed] | 19:01 |
| sick_rimmit | Etriaph: Perfect, I will announce here, there and everywhere. But I will make sure you know | 19:02 |
| Etriaph | BluesKaj: There's a patch, but I can't get it in proposed. | 19:02 |
| Etriaph | sick_rimmit: I'll query my email if you don't mind. | 19:02 |
| sick_rimmit | Etriaph: Sure, I will post it the mailing list | 19:03 |
| Etriaph | sick_rimmit: Or if you're tossing it in kubuntu-devel list I'll wait on that. | 19:03 |
| Etriaph | Perfect :D | 19:03 |
| BluesKaj | Etriaph, thanks, think I'll wait ...proposed is bit dangerous | 19:03 |
| Etriaph | BluesKaj: Yes, which is why I haven't updated anything, but kde-baseapps was supposed to have an update in there (according to the notes on the bug) but doesn't, just a bit confused based on ScottK's note | 19:04 |
| BluesKaj | Etriaph, np, I'm on early days here on 15,10 Wily and my backup OS is 15.04 on a different HDD, so there' no big hurry | 19:06 |
| yofel | Etriaph: vivid proposed has kde-baseapps 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1, what do you have? | 19:06 |
| Etriaph | yofel: Nothing as far as I can see from the updates available. | 19:07 |
| yofel | mirror might be out of date then | 19:07 |
| Etriaph | kde-baseapps isn't included | 19:07 |
| Etriaph | Ah, OK | 19:07 |
| soee | hiho | 19:38 |
| Etriaph | Hey soee | 19:40 |
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| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: are you here? | 19:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell: are you here? | 19:58 |
| debfx | Sput: is there a particular reason why quassel exchanges its build date in the handshake? | 20:08 |
| Etriaph | Riddell is away until next week sometime. | 20:09 |
| Etriaph | So is valorie | 20:09 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: Yes, just back from Fish n Chip shop | 20:11 |
| aaron__ | o/ prth | 20:18 |
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| prth | ahoneybun, \o | 20:20 |
| Sput | debfx: I think purely for the core info dialog | 20:24 |
| Etriaph | Who manages Kubuntu Wire? | 20:25 |
| Etriaph | http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=319&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter left a comment regarding no annotation for ahoneybun being in the video. | 20:26 |
| ahoneybun | thanks Etriaph | 20:27 |
| Etriaph | ahoneybun: Going to try to get them to change it though if I can find who manages it :D | 20:27 |
| * ahoneybun thinks Riddell | 20:27 | |
| ahoneybun | at least have access | 20:28 |
| Etriaph | Marco Parillo? | 20:28 |
| Etriaph | He posted it I think | 20:28 |
| yofel | mparillo: ^ | 20:29 |
| Etriaph | mparillo: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=319&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter can you update this with ahoneybun added to the list of presenters in the video? | 20:29 |
| debfx | Sput: are you strongly attached to that feature? :) embedding the build timestamp it makes it impossible to create reproducible builds | 20:29 |
| yofel | how about making that local-build-only? Unless you compile yourself that's really not of much value | 20:31 |
| sick_rimmit | mparillo: If you do edit it could you change my name to Rick Timmis - my realname | 20:31 |
| sick_rimmit | Thank | 20:31 |
| Sput | debfx: not necessarily | 20:32 |
| Sput | debfx: however changing this in the current protocol might be annoying | 20:32 |
| debfx | Sput: for compatibility new clients could just send a dummy date | 20:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: I'm searching for a verb in english | 20:43 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: Hi | 20:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | how do you call what you did yesterday at the session? | 20:43 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: I was the "Show Host" | 20:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | can you put that in a verb? | 20:44 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: In US they call this the Anchor | 20:44 |
| BluesKaj | presenter ? | 20:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | the session was (verb) by Rick | 20:44 |
| sick_rimmit | Hosted | 20:44 |
| sick_rimmit | the session was hosted by Rick | 20:45 |
| Etriaph | Who would be the best person to talk to regarding xdg issues? | 20:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | that work makes me think that only Rick was part of that presentation | 20:45 |
| ovidiu-florin | word* | 20:45 |
| Etriaph | (Trying to support a user on the mailing list) | 20:45 |
| sick_rimmit | OK try this | 20:45 |
| sick_rimmit | Plasma 5 demo Hangout hosted by Rick, with co presenters Aaron and Ovidiu | 20:46 |
| sick_rimmit | Or ... | 20:46 |
| sick_rimmit | hosted by kubuntu members Aaron, Ovidiu, and Rick | 20:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: this is my sentence: "The session was (verb) by Rick, who made sure we keep on track and don't exceed our allocated time frame." | 20:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | s/keep/kept | 20:48 |
| sick_rimmit | Ah ok... | 20:48 |
| sick_rimmit | chaired | 20:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | I think that's the verb I'm looking for | 20:49 |
| sick_rimmit | The noun is Chairman | 20:49 |
| sick_rimmit | the verb is Chaired | 20:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | ok, thank you | 20:49 |
| sick_rimmit | Adjective Chairing | 20:49 |
| mparillo | I will add ahoneybun and change to Rick Timmis | 20:50 |
| ahoneybun | thanks mparillo | 20:50 |
| Etriaph | Chaired is past-tense, can it be a verb? | 20:50 |
| sick_rimmit | mparillo: Oh thank you thats excellent | 20:50 |
| ovidiu-florin | what are you talking about? | 20:50 |
| sick_rimmit | Or you could say | 20:50 |
| sick_rimmit | Nah.. leave it, indeed the written piece is referring the the past, so the tense is correct | 20:51 |
| Etriaph | Fun with grammar :D | 20:51 |
| Etriaph | bbiab | 20:51 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'll ask for your feedback in a moment | 20:53 |
| mparillo | ahoneybun: Do you prefer your nick? | 20:53 |
| ahoneybun | um... name would be more professional maybe 'Aaron Honeycutt (ahoneybun)" ? | 20:54 |
| mparillo | Done. Sorry to have omitted you. | 20:55 |
| ahoneybun | mparillo: its no problem :) | 20:55 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: Your GMT+2 right ? | 20:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | sometimes | 20:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | sometimes I'm +3 | 20:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm confused about that | 20:55 |
| sick_rimmit | ahoneybun: What time are you relative to GMT please ? | 20:56 |
| ahoneybun | um not sure | 20:56 |
| ahoneybun | I'm in New York timezone | 20:56 |
| sick_rimmit | OK what about UTC | 20:56 |
| ovidiu-florin | UTC+3 now | 20:56 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: I meant UTC, I have no idea about GMT | 20:56 |
| ahoneybun | UTC-4 | 20:57 |
| ahoneybun | everytimezone.com | 20:57 |
| sick_rimmit | Great, I like UTC, or Swatch @beats | 20:57 |
| sick_rimmit | There's a surprise coming to you boys in a few minutes | 20:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | where and from where? | 20:58 |
| * ahoneybun is scared | 21:00 | |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm searching for a featured image for my blog post, any recomendations? | 21:00 |
| ahoneybun | maybe the 15.04 mascot logo? | 21:01 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: | 21:01 |
| ovidiu-florin | we have one???// | 21:01 |
| ovidiu-florin | for kubuntu? | 21:02 |
| ahoneybun | well not at the moment | 21:02 |
| ahoneybun | I have some svg files for the new mascot | 21:02 |
| ahoneybun | I can change the color to blue maybe | 21:02 |
| Riddell | hi ovidiu-florin | 21:03 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: can you show it to me? like it is now | 21:03 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: I sent you a link to my gdrive that has the files | 21:04 |
| ahoneybun | you can give me the size you need as well if you wish | 21:06 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: ^ | 21:06 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: no | 21:08 |
| ahoneybun | ? | 21:08 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: ahoneybun You ready :-) | 21:10 |
| * ovidiu-florin is terrified | 21:10 | |
| ahoneybun | sick_rimmit: never are | 21:10 |
| * ovidiu-florin is listening to his horrible english from the presentation from yesterday | 21:11 | |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: You're being very silly, your English is excellent, better than some English folks | 21:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | yeah... I've said: "here is the elements"..... | 21:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | I was thinking of list of elements.... | 21:13 |
| ovidiu-florin | but the wrong thing came out | 21:13 |
| * Etriaph is a very good writer, if you're looking for someone to proofread | 21:14 | |
| ovidiu-florin | Etriaph: yes | 21:14 |
| ovidiu-florin | in a monent | 21:14 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: nerves, not bad english | 21:15 |
| ovidiu-florin | Riddell sick_rimmit Etriaph ahoneybun proofread please: http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com/en/2015/05/07/plasma-5-and-kf5-demo-at-uos-2015/ | 21:18 |
| ahoneybun | ovidiu-florin: https://imgur.com/ypWB62j | 21:19 |
| Etriaph | ovidiu-florin: "didn't exceed" | 21:19 |
| Etriaph | 3rd para | 21:19 |
| ovidiu-florin | ahoneybun: that looks like a devil, I don't like it, sorry | 21:19 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: The session was chaired by Rick, who made sure we kept on track and don’t exceed <- Change don't for didn't ( means did not ) | 21:20 |
| ovidiu-florin | Etriaph: thanks | 21:20 |
| sick_rimmit | Sorry I didn't see Etriaph already got that | 21:21 |
| sick_rimmit | Thanks | 21:21 |
| ovidiu-florin | just changed that, not published yet | 21:21 |
| Etriaph | "After that I’ve started talking about what is KDE" should be "After describing what KDE is" | 21:21 |
| ovidiu-florin | Etriaph: I dissagree | 21:22 |
| Etriaph | "a bit of how it is organized" -> "a bit about how it is organized" | 21:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm reffering to the fact that after the introduction I've started my presentation | 21:22 |
| Etriaph | ovidiu-florin: It's gramatically incorrect, I'm adjusting it :D | 21:22 |
| ovidiu-florin | <Etriaph> "After that I’ve started talking about what is KDE" should be "After describing what KDE is", the 2 reffer to two different times | 21:23 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: ahoneybun Check your G+ | 21:23 |
| Etriaph | "After that I’ve started talking about what is KDE, what it consists of, a bit of how it is organized and the migration from KDE SC 4 to KDE Frameworks 5." -> "After that, we discussed what KDE is, what it consists of and a bit about how it is organized followed by the migration from KDE SC 4 to KDE Frameworks 5" | 21:23 |
| Etriaph | That's how I would have phrased that paragraph. | 21:24 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: when is that? it show's me that it will be 2 hours ago | 21:25 |
| ovidiu-florin | Etriaph: I agree, but it wasn't a discussion, it was a presentation | 21:25 |
| sick_rimmit | Ah no | 21:25 |
| sick_rimmit | It's set for June 3rd | 21:25 |
| sick_rimmit | More G+ stuff coming your way | 21:26 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: are you reffering to : https://plus.google.com/events/cvh050dbgcdjrhbdn3g0us999bc | 21:26 |
| ovidiu-florin | ? | 21:26 |
| Etriaph | ovidiu-florin: Change the we to I, but the rest of the sentence is still the best grammatical format. | 21:26 |
| ahoneybun | I see nothing on G+ | 21:26 |
| sick_rimmit | Check out who just added you to the circle | 21:27 |
| sick_rimmit | Ah no https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/112102796730023795852/112102796730023795852/posts | 21:27 |
| ovidiu-florin | Etriaph: how about: "After that, I talked about what KDE is, what it consists of and a bit about how it is organized followed by the migration from KDE SC 4 to KDE Frameworks 5"? | 21:27 |
| ovidiu-florin | iI've***** | 21:28 |
| ahoneybun | I see | 21:28 |
| Etriaph | "After the presentation, I had a short chat with Rick with respect to planning some screencasts and to go more in depth with these applications as a continuation of my Screencast series (of which I’ll talk about in a future blog post)." | 21:28 |
| Etriaph | ovidiu-florin: Yup, that works | 21:28 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: I love it :D | 21:28 |
| Etriaph | Oops, omit the "and" after "screencasts" | 21:28 |
| Etriaph | Or.. no "I had a short chat with Rick regarding additional screencasts to dig deeper into these applications as a continuation of my Screencast series" | 21:30 |
| sick_rimmit | \o/ Woo Hoo | 21:31 |
| sick_rimmit | Glad you like it ovidiu-florin | 21:31 |
| ScottK | Etriaph: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification | 21:31 |
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| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: I can't do 3rd of june | 21:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | I'm traveling | 21:33 |
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| ovidiu-florin | I'll be back on the 8th | 21:34 |
| ahoneybun | I'll be here | 21:34 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: Can you do 10th June ? | 21:34 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: I enabled it, there was no update for kde-baseapps | 21:34 |
| ovidiu-florin | sure | 21:34 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: I enabled it in Muon Discover, fyi | 21:35 |
| ahoneybun | +1 | 21:35 |
| ovidiu-florin | Etriaph: anything else? | 21:35 |
| ahoneybun | sick_rimmit: ^ | 21:35 |
| Etriaph | ovidiu-florin: FYI, the rest is excellent. | 21:35 |
| ovidiu-florin | thank you | 21:35 |
| ScottK | Etriaph: It exists: kde-baseapps | 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1 | vivid-proposed/universe | source, all | 21:36 |
| ovidiu-florin | Etriaph ahoneybun sick_rimmit, now, let's translate it into romanian :D:D | 21:36 |
| sick_rimmit | ahoneybun: Can you make 10 June | 21:36 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: OK, let me try this again. | 21:36 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: on which youtube channel will this be hosted? | 21:36 |
| ahoneybun | sick_rimmit: +1 | 21:36 |
| sick_rimmit | It has its own | 21:37 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: link please | 21:37 |
| ahoneybun | sick_rimmit: I do have control of the Kubuntu Promo account on G+ | 21:40 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: kde-baseapps : Depends: konqueror (>= 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1) but it is not going to be installed | 21:40 |
| ScottK | What happens if you try to install konqueror directly? | 21:41 |
| Etriaph | ovidiu-florin: You lost me at Romanian | 21:41 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: I tried installing it with kde-baseapps | 21:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | :D | 21:41 |
| ScottK | I know. Try installing it by itself. | 21:41 |
| Etriaph | sudo apt-get install konqueror/vivid-proposed kde-baseapps/vivid-proposed | 21:41 |
| Etriaph | OK, one sec. | 21:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | sick_rimmit: if the account is not created yet, please let me create it | 21:42 |
| ahoneybun | wait you made a IRC channel too sick_rimmit? | 21:43 |
| sick_rimmit | ovidiu-florin: All done | 21:43 |
| sick_rimmit | Yes come say hi | 21:43 |
| ahoneybun | damn | 21:43 |
| sick_rimmit | #kubuntu-podcast | 21:43 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: OK, seems to have installed, let me see how it goes. | 21:43 |
| Etriaph | That was interesting. | 21:50 |
| Etriaph | During the install plasma crashed. | 21:50 |
| debfx | Sput: I've posted https://github.com/quassel/quassel/pull/127 | 21:51 |
| debfx | looks like it's very controversial ^^ | 21:51 |
| Sput | I wonder if this should maybe a compile-time option exclusively for Debian | 21:52 |
| Sput | (or maybe just a Debian patch) | 21:54 |
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| Etriaph | ScottK: Now on 4:15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1 for kde-base-apps | 21:57 |
| Etriaph | err... kde-baseapps | 21:57 |
| ScottK | That's not the right version. | 21:57 |
| Etriaph | Hrm. | 21:57 |
| ScottK | Etriaph: You need to remove the PPA packages. | 21:58 |
| debfx | reproducible builds is not something only Debian is interested in | 21:58 |
| ScottK | That's why you can't upgrade to proposes. | 21:59 |
| ScottK | Sput: reproducible builds is a really good idea. Eventually, I think it'll be a foundational security concept. | 21:59 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: So I have to remove everything that the proposed repo intends to provide? | 22:01 |
| * Etriaph hasn't done any formal testing with Ubuntu before. | 22:01 | |
| * ahoneybun is going into Ubuntu Membership Board member mode | 22:03 | |
| ScottK | Etriaph: The PPAs have a newer version than is in Ubuntu proper, so an update to the proposed packages is considered a downgrade on your system. That's why it wasn't working before. | 22:49 |
| ScottK | PPAs and the proposed repos serve different purposes. | 22:49 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: Ah, OK | 22:49 |
| Etriaph | So this is something better tested in a VM? | 22:49 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: I would assume there's potential for system instability if I downgraded to those packages? | 22:53 |
| ScottK | Potentially. | 22:53 |
| ScottK | There are no guarantees, but I think it'd be low risk. | 22:53 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: How do I mass downgrade to the proposed? | 22:54 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: I'm assuming there are deps for kde-baseapps | 22:54 |
| ScottK | There's a ppa-purge command. | 22:54 |
| ScottK | You have to install the package though. | 22:55 |
| Etriaph | I have it. | 22:55 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: What am I purging? | 22:55 |
| ScottK | Anything that was installed via a PPA. | 22:55 |
| Etriaph | So including anything from vivid-backports, vivid-updates? | 22:57 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: OK, kde-baseapps is at 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1 | 23:16 |
| ScottK | No, won't make stuff from vivid-backports or updates go away. Those aren't PPAs. | 23:17 |
| ScottK | OK. Now you should be able to test. | 23:17 |
| Etriaph | I did, still not working. | 23:17 |
| ScottK | Hmmm. | 23:17 |
| Etriaph | Drag & Drop + Manually adding an entry, no Place is saved | 23:17 |
| ScottK | Did you restart your KDE session? | 23:17 |
| Etriaph | Uh, nope, give me 2 secs. | 23:17 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: Nope, no change. | 23:20 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: How do I blow away all of Dolphin's config, start fresh? | 23:20 |
| ScottK | Look in ~/.kde | 23:20 |
| Etriaph | Setting it up again takes minutes for me. | 23:20 |
| Etriaph | Nothing in .config or .local? | 23:20 |
| ScottK | Not for KDE4 (which I think Dolphin still is) | 23:21 |
| ScottK | ~/.kde/share/config/ | 23:21 |
| Etriaph | Yup, removed ~/.kde/share/apps/dolphin and ~/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc | 23:22 |
| Etriaph | Still no change. | 23:22 |
| Etriaph | It can't seem to save ~/.local/share/user-places.xbel; but it reads places saved in other applications, Krita for example | 23:23 |
| Etriaph | I've "worked around" this issue by creating global places in Krita | 23:23 |
| Etriaph | But I would consider this to be a major feature of Dolphin as many people enjoy contextual file browsing, which is why I've been working hard to report it, and stay on top of the process. | 23:25 |
| Etriaph | ScottK: ^ and sorry if my inexperience testing these kinds of bugs has been a hassle. :D | 23:26 |
| ScottK | No problem. Glad to have someone testing. | 23:26 |
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