[01:43] valorie: Nomination received. === pw2 is now known as PaulW2U [05:00] Etriaph: I figured I better get that done before I leave for a week [05:00] probably no IRC until I return from CT [05:00] Probably a good idea :D [05:00] Taking a vacation? [05:01] going to see my youngest graduate from college [05:01] didn't get to see them at all last year, so the visit is long overdue [05:02] Are you driving or flying cross country? [05:05] oh, flying [05:05] I wish I had time to drive, but not this year [05:06] not while my husband is off hiking for six months [05:07] perhaps when he decides, (and I know he will) to hike the Appalachian Trail [05:09] :) [05:30] Riddell: too late for me at the time of your ping [06:38] Goodmorning. [06:52] good morning [07:01] Hey soee [07:07] patch parser is broken again [07:07] ... [07:33] we ship with python-svn version 1.7.8. Latest is 1.7.10. [07:33] if I can't find it here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=python&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=vivid it means we don't have it packaged? [07:33] or should I look somewere else? [07:35] also http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/amd64/python-svn/filelist only adds the libs for python 2.7, they are also for python 3 === faust is now known as Guest14235 [07:41] we do not maintain python-svn [09:25] hello there [09:25] any english native speaker here? I need the word for describing somebody, who issues commercial invoice [09:41] vip try #english [09:49] I can't think of a word it's probably just a finance or billing dept in most places [09:50] thanks [11:24] morning [11:26] good morning sgclark [11:54] mh [11:54] apparentely I missed UOS [11:54] haha [11:54] Riddell: you should have rang to remind me :P [11:54] although I was actually already in bed, hadn't had too much sleep the night before [11:55] me either [11:55] sgclark: the hard hours of CI folk, eh? ^5 [11:55] most everything we went over is in the trello board [11:55] sitter: yah omg [11:56] sitter: btw how is docker working for you since the switch to systemd, I can no longer get anything to work [11:59] sgclark: we are running LTS on our servers [11:59] though I haven't noticed any problems on my workspace either [11:59] ahhh [11:59] mm [11:59] sgclark: why are you not running 14.04 for the host? === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [12:00] because it was my local machine lol [12:00] ah xD [12:00] gonna have to sort out systemd eventually anyway, will keep trying [12:01] yeah, it doesn't actually start my docker on boot, and I can't be bothered to figure out why xD [12:02] hehe [12:03] ovidiu-florin: pysvn is team maintained in Debian. We can probably get it updated there and it'll sync into Ubuntu (but not today, I'm about to leave). [12:14] Howdy folks [12:35] "Myriam Schweingruber (myriam) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2016-05-12" yay Mamarok still loves us! [12:39] the lwn subscription keeps them coming back ;-) [12:41] :D [12:46] Riddell: very unlikely I will ever stop loving you folks :) [12:47] remember: I use Kubuntu since its existence [13:31] Sick_Rimmit: ovidiu-florin 151 views, not bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFwAAjutC_0 [13:32] mparillo: maybe a wire post with that video embedded and linked? ↑ [13:34] Sorry I missed the session last night, was it recorded anywhere? [13:37] Darkwing: kickoff meeting at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22508/kubuntu-kickoff/ but that video will be super boring it's just us going over the trello items, you'd be better off just looking at the 15.10 trello board [13:37] and plasma 5 demo at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22517/plasma-5-demo/ [13:37] Lol okay. [13:39] I'm sticking with Kubuntu 15.04 for its hidpi support. [13:40] As far as I understand the uniformed scaling (fonts and icons) this is a X11 issue more than a qt/plasma/KDE one. [13:44] Darkwing: Plasma 5.3 has some hidpi support, next august applications and plasma releases will be perfect or at least so david says [13:45] As long as we keep in mind that there are varying levels for scale. [13:45] Gnome messed up with the "just double everything" [13:45] qt is much better than that [13:46] Unity is honestly currently the best with support. [13:46] But, it's bloody ugly compared to kde [13:48] :) [13:52] Riddell: till i get a 4K display [13:52] and then everything will be screwed again :p [14:22] Riddell: On it. Good work Sick_Rimmit and ovidiu-florin. [14:34] I'm curious if this new thing of holding videoconference meetings with the public invited to watch will become a regular thing. [14:36] hm? it's been a thing for years [14:38] sitter: Yesterday was the first I became aware of it, then. I like the idea, helps people to understand what's being done by who, what kind of constraints they are under like workload or school, etc, and puts faces to the names. [14:39] * ricktimmis Doh! must of left Sick_Rimmit logged in at home [14:39] ghost him! [14:40] * sitter never actually ghosted an actually connected client [14:40] genii: we just didn't do it as we had mumble calls on a different schedule [14:41] * genii makes more coffee and contemplates [14:42] This is my new shiny install of 15.04 Vivid, for my work machine, I traded in my Plasma 5 Tech Preview [14:42] * ricktimmis is happy boy!! [14:42] \o/ [14:45] kubotu: order tea [14:45] * kubotu gives sitter a nice hot cup of tea. [14:45] mh [14:45] kubotu: not that kind [14:45] * sitter smacks kubotu [14:47] http://i.imgur.com/92Esu5Y.jpg ovidiu-florinception that is ^^ [16:18] Riddell: 273 views now :D [16:18] Riddell: I'll write a post for my blog this evening, maybe it can be used for wire [16:34] I hope whoever is supposed to "find out what the hell snappy is" is watching the uos feed :) [16:37] genii, yeah, I found the explanation understandable, but how it's going to be implemented is confusing [16:38] Yes, not like PPA [16:40] or a repos [16:40] a proper repository that is [16:41] hi ranveeraggarwal, ready to learn some packaging? [16:42] Riddell: sure [16:42] ranveeraggarwal: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com [16:42] ranveeraggarwal: in mnt [16:43] make a directory called current [16:43] and another one called new [16:43] ranveeraggarwal: in ~/mnt [16:43] (which is just the large hard disk you get along with an ec2) [16:44] Riddell: done [16:44] ranveeraggarwal: in current use apt-get source packagekit [16:44] to download the current stuff [16:44] and check on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit-qt that it really is the latest [16:45] ranveeraggarwal: now just to complicate life I see Debian has a newer version and we have diverged from them somewhat https://packages.debian.org/src:packagekit [16:45] for simplicity we'll ignore it for now [16:45] but maybe it we get problems we'll need to merge in debian's changes [16:45] ranveeraggarwal: in the new/ directory download the latest upstream tar [16:46] I see. Debian indeed has newer versions of both packagekit and packagekit-qt [16:47] ranveeraggarwal: but there's changes in ubuntu so we can't just take the debian version alas [16:48] ranveeraggarwal: with tar you can miss out the J compression method, it'll work it out when uncompressing these days [16:48] ranveeraggarwal: rename the tar file to follow the same pattern as the one in the current/ directory [16:48] Alright [16:50] Riddell: What pattern? [16:50] ranveeraggarwal: I should have explained, you'll see in the current/ directory the current source "package" which is made up of 3 files, .orig.tar, debian.tar and .dsc [16:50] the .orig.tar is the upstream source [16:50] the debian.tar has the files that describe how to make the package [16:50] and the .dsc is some metadata with checksums etc [16:51] packagekit_0.8.17.orig.tar.xz is the pattern needed for the name [16:51] lowercase underscore .orig [16:51] okay, got it [16:51] just a rename from upstream's naming format for the file [16:52] ranveeraggarwal: mv the PackageKit-1.0.6.tar.xz file not the directory [16:52] too late! :) [16:52] Ah! My bad [16:52] oh now you messed up :) [16:52] rm -r and start again [16:52] Alrighty [16:55] Riddell: Is is fine now? [16:55] ranveeraggarwal: lovely, now inside that source directory copy the debian/ directory from the current package [16:56] that debian.tar contains a debian/ directory with some files that get extracted into the source [16:56] so uncompress it and mv the debian/ directory into the sources [16:57] this is a pretty complex package :( [16:57] lovely [16:57] cd into the sources [16:57] ranveeraggarwal: which editor do you like? [16:57] Riddell: I generally use sublime text, but I'm fine vim [16:58] yep we have that installed [16:58] export EDITOR=vim [16:58] and run dch -i and it'll open an editor with a changelog template to add [16:59] ranveeraggarwal: change the version number on the first line to the right one [16:59] with -0ubuntu1 on the end [16:59] add a 1 line description of what's changed [16:59] and fix the name and e-mail [17:00] ranveeraggarwal: 1.0.0 -> 1.0.6 [17:00] uh oh what happened!? [17:01] I think I pressed a wrong key. Just undo-ed it [17:01] phew :) [17:01] fix name and e-mail [17:01] Do I put mine in there? [17:02] yep [17:02] lovely save and quit [17:03] ranveeraggarwal: check that debian/changelog has updated [17:03] looks good [17:03] Yep [17:03] have a look in debian/ and see what's in there [17:04] so aye, a complex package [17:04] the .install files list the files that will go into each .deb that gets made [17:04] rules is a makefile to describe how to compile the package [17:04] So is there someplace I can gt to know what all those files do? [17:05] and control is the list of .debs that get made [17:05] lots of places, none of them great [17:05] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ [17:05] https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html for example [17:05] the patches/ directory will contain patches that we add to the upstream source [17:06] any questions? [17:07] Well, I get the high level overview, I'll explore the debian/ folder deeper later [17:08] Riddell: What's next? [17:08] we need to work out what patches are still useful [17:09] we use a tool called quilt to manage the patches [17:09] look in patches/ to see what's there [17:09] and from the top source directory run quilt push to see if the first one applies [17:10] yay, 1 down :) [17:10] do it again [17:10] oh well [17:10] it couldn't last [17:10] let me have a look [17:10] Riddell: What exactly is happening there? Where are we pushing the patches to? [17:11] ranveeraggarwal: they're patches to the source from the upstream tar [17:11] e.g. this one wants to edit the /etc/packagekit.conf file [17:11] but it doesn't seem to exist in this new version [17:11] quilt push just applies them to the source [17:12] Oh, so that means, that patch got lost somewhere in between v0.8.17 and v1.0.6. Is that so? [17:12] the file that patch applies to got lost [17:12] so for now lets just remove the patch [17:13] edit debian/patches/series and comment out the line with the patch name in it [17:14] Do I just put a `//` in front of defaults.diff? [17:14] ranveeraggarwal: a # [17:14] ranveeraggarwal: quilt push [17:15] oh live is cruel [17:15] this is why patches are evil [17:20] ranveeraggarwal: ok so I forced it to apply then I edited the file based on installing the current one and working out what the patch it supposed to do [17:20] ranveeraggarwal: this is only for a PPA and not the real archive or I'd take more care but hopefully I got it right [17:20] ranveeraggarwal: ok quilt push again [17:21] "Patch debian/patches/01_changelog-url.patch can be reverse-applied" so that's gone upstream [17:21] ranveeraggarwal: comment it out in the series file [17:22] push push [17:22] ranveeraggarwal: another upstreamed, comment it out [17:23] push! [17:23] ranveeraggarwal: another upstreamed, comment it out [17:24] meh [17:24] ranveeraggarwal: yep looks like that got upstream although not exactly the same so comment that out too [17:24] Alright [17:25] comment it out [17:26] groovy comment that out too [17:26] Damn that latency. I need to get a better internet connection [17:26] Looks like it worked out :) [17:27] the ec2 is in the US, they can probably be set up somewhere closer to you [17:27] ranveeraggarwal: ok let's see if it compiles [17:27] debuild -j2 is the magic command to make the package [17:27] -j2 because we have 2 cores on this machine [17:28] needs some build-depends packages installed [17:28] the command to work out what they are is /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-sat [17:28] it has a silly long name [17:28] use sudo i think [17:29] What does this do? [17:30] ranveeraggarwal: all packages will need other stuff installed to be compiled, those are listed in debian/control [17:30] and this just installs that list of packages [17:31] groovy, debuild -j2 again [17:31] Riddell: ah! Alright [17:32] ranveeraggarwal: groovy, debuild -j2 again [17:33] The previous command still executing here [17:33] ranveeraggarwal: no it's done [17:34] Riddell: I think it's taking time to std-out to my terminal [17:34] ranveeraggarwal: has the connection dropped? can you type stuff in the terminal? [17:35] Riddell: Yes, that's it. I'm on a relatively slower internet this week. So even though the process has completed, it's still throwing all its verbose out [17:35] ranveeraggarwal: just start a new konsole and ssh in again ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com [17:36] Riddell: Yep, that was the issue, it seems :) [17:37] groovy, it's compiling [17:38] ranveeraggarwal: looks like it all compiled [17:38] not it's trying to move the files into place for each of the .deb [17:38] which is done by the comment dh_install [17:39] It shows some error [17:39] dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/etc/PackageKit/events/ debian/packagekit//etc/PackageKit/ returne│··················································································································· [17:39] d exit code 1 [17:39] dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/etc/PackageKit/events/ debian/packagekit//etc/PackageKit/ returned exit code 1 [17:40] so it's trying to move the etc/PackageKit/events/ directory into place for the packagekit .deb [17:40] but that directory doesn't exist any more [17:40] so edit debian/packagekit.install and remove the line that lists it [17:40] 3rd line [17:41] What do I put in place of it? [17:41] Alright, simply remove [17:41] just remove [17:41] now run dh_install --list-missing [17:41] to see where it breaks now [17:42] Riddell: Do I remove that line too? [17:42] yep [17:44] Riddell: What now? [17:44] ranveeraggarwal: did you remove the next one? [17:44] if so run dh_install --list-missing again [17:45] Same issue [17:45] you're getting the hang of this :) [17:46] Riddell: Sort of :) [17:48] Riddell : <>/pk-debuginfo-install isn't present in the .install file [17:49] ranveeraggarwal: "debian/packagekit-tools" it's copying into that other .deb [17:49] so open packagekit-tools.install and edit there [17:55] Riddell: What's the issue now? [17:56] ranveeraggarwal: lovely, so now we have the opposite problem, new files and we need to work out which .deb to put them instal [17:56] ranveeraggarwal: looking at the newer version from debian those files both go into debian/packagekit.install [17:57] so add them there [17:58] Riddell: Success! [17:58] lovely [17:58] ranveeraggarwal: debuild -nc [17:58] will carry on the build with no-clear so it doesn't all compile again [17:59] you don't really need the -j2 here, that's only useful for the compile stage which has already been done [17:59] Riddell: Oh alright [17:59] hmm some scary warnings about unresolvable symbole there [18:00] it's done! [18:00] so you should now have a bunch of .deb packages in the directory above .. [18:00] Riddell: Yep! [18:01] on your launchpad page https://launchpad.net/~ranveeraggarwal click create a PPA [18:01] and fill in the form [18:01] then we can upload this to the PPA [18:02] Riddell: Done [18:02] ranveeraggarwal: do you have gpg keys? [18:02] Riddell: Nope, what are those? [18:03] gpg keys are ecryption keys for pgp encryption and signing [18:03] packages needs to be signed so that launchpad knows they come from you when you upload them [18:04] Oh, so do I create one on my local machine? [18:05] ranveeraggarwal: yep [18:05] gpg --gen-key [18:05] and follow the defaults [18:05] like I just did on the ec2 server [18:10] Alright, key generated. What to do now? [18:11] see step 12 https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey#Importing_your_key_into_Launchpad_with_gpg [18:11] just above that [18:11] that'll send it to the keyserver [18:12] it will have made files in ~/.gnupg and just like ssh there's a public part you can spread around and a private part you can never let anyone access [18:12] so don't put it on this shared ec2 for example [18:16] ranveeraggarwal: I need to leave shortly so I've made the source package with debuild -S and signed it from my computer with debsign -kjriddell@ubuntu.com -r ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/new/packagekit_1.0.6-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_source.changes [18:16] and uploaded it to my ppa with dput -u ppa:jr/ppa packagekit_1.0.6-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_source.changes [18:17] you can try and do the same [18:18] Riddell: Alright, I'm mostly done. Just waiting for the Email verification === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [18:33] Ello me lovelies :-) [18:37] Riddell: I signed it, but it says it has already been uploaded to ppa [18:47] sick_rimmit: rick? [18:48] ahoneybun: Hey [18:48] ahoneybun: Yes thats me [18:48] pretty crazy yesterday lol [18:54] ScottK: I was having the issue with Dolphin regarding places, and I'm trying to install kde-baseapps from vivid-proposed, but it doesn't seem to be one of the packages I can update. [18:54] ScottK: Riddell sent me a link to it suggesting that I try out the proposed package, just looking for some direction [18:55] dolphin places doen't accept added folders either network or others ..so far at least [18:56] BluesKaj: Someone has fixed this upstream, the bug on bko is resolved [18:56] ahoneybun: Hey it was fun, and I think we made a jolly good show of it :-) [18:57] sick_rimmit: ahoneybun, I would love to see some use cases for productivity put forward as some interactive web seminars. [18:58] Etriaph: Funny you should mention that, I'm just working on the very medium for said thing [18:58] sick_rimmit: Excellent. Any chance I can put forward a couple of topics I think would draw people to the community? [19:00] Etriaph: Absolutely!! That would be Ace! - Can you hold them on ice for a few days, whilst I get all the stuff setup, then you'll have a place to post them. [19:01] sick_rimmit: Yup, just let me know when you're ready. :D [19:01] BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1422469 is the bug I was talking about (lp version) [19:01] Launchpad bug 1422469 in kio (Ubuntu Wily) "Dolphin won't keep the folder shortcuts on Kubuntu 15.04 with Plasma 5." [Medium,Confirmed] [19:02] Etriaph: Perfect, I will announce here, there and everywhere. But I will make sure you know [19:02] BluesKaj: There's a patch, but I can't get it in proposed. [19:02] sick_rimmit: I'll query my email if you don't mind. [19:03] Etriaph: Sure, I will post it the mailing list [19:03] sick_rimmit: Or if you're tossing it in kubuntu-devel list I'll wait on that. [19:03] Perfect :D [19:03] Etriaph, thanks, think I'll wait ...proposed is bit dangerous [19:04] BluesKaj: Yes, which is why I haven't updated anything, but kde-baseapps was supposed to have an update in there (according to the notes on the bug) but doesn't, just a bit confused based on ScottK's note [19:06] Etriaph, np, I'm on early days here on 15,10 Wily and my backup OS is 15.04 on a different HDD, so there' no big hurry [19:06] Etriaph: vivid proposed has kde-baseapps 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1, what do you have? [19:07] yofel: Nothing as far as I can see from the updates available. [19:07] mirror might be out of date then [19:07] kde-baseapps isn't included [19:07] Ah, OK [19:38] hiho [19:40] Hey soee === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [19:58] sick_rimmit: are you here? [19:58] Riddell: are you here? [20:08] Sput: is there a particular reason why quassel exchanges its build date in the handshake? [20:09] Riddell is away until next week sometime. [20:09] So is valorie [20:11] ovidiu-florin: Yes, just back from Fish n Chip shop [20:18] o/ prth === aaron__ is now known as ahoneyun === ahoneyun is now known as ahoneybun [20:20] ahoneybun, \o [20:24] debfx: I think purely for the core info dialog [20:25] Who manages Kubuntu Wire? [20:26] http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=319&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter left a comment regarding no annotation for ahoneybun being in the video. [20:27] thanks Etriaph [20:27] ahoneybun: Going to try to get them to change it though if I can find who manages it :D [20:27] * ahoneybun thinks Riddell [20:28] at least have access [20:28] Marco Parillo? [20:28] He posted it I think [20:29] mparillo: ^ [20:29] mparillo: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=319&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter can you update this with ahoneybun added to the list of presenters in the video? [20:29] Sput: are you strongly attached to that feature? :) embedding the build timestamp it makes it impossible to create reproducible builds [20:31] how about making that local-build-only? Unless you compile yourself that's really not of much value [20:31] mparillo: If you do edit it could you change my name to Rick Timmis - my realname [20:31] Thank [20:32] debfx: not necessarily [20:32] debfx: however changing this in the current protocol might be annoying [20:34] Sput: for compatibility new clients could just send a dummy date [20:43] sick_rimmit: I'm searching for a verb in english [20:43] ovidiu-florin: Hi [20:43] how do you call what you did yesterday at the session? [20:44] ovidiu-florin: I was the "Show Host" [20:44] can you put that in a verb? [20:44] ovidiu-florin: In US they call this the Anchor [20:44] presenter ? [20:44] the session was (verb) by Rick [20:44] Hosted [20:45] the session was hosted by Rick [20:45] Who would be the best person to talk to regarding xdg issues? [20:45] that work makes me think that only Rick was part of that presentation [20:45] word* [20:45] (Trying to support a user on the mailing list) [20:45] OK try this [20:46] Plasma 5 demo Hangout hosted by Rick, with co presenters Aaron and Ovidiu [20:46] Or ... [20:47] hosted by kubuntu members Aaron, Ovidiu, and Rick [20:48] sick_rimmit: this is my sentence: "The session was (verb) by Rick, who made sure we keep on track and don't exceed our allocated time frame." [20:48] s/keep/kept [20:48] Ah ok... [20:48] chaired [20:49] I think that's the verb I'm looking for [20:49] The noun is Chairman [20:49] the verb is Chaired [20:49] ok, thank you [20:49] Adjective Chairing [20:50] I will add ahoneybun and change to Rick Timmis [20:50] thanks mparillo [20:50] Chaired is past-tense, can it be a verb? [20:50] mparillo: Oh thank you thats excellent [20:50] what are you talking about? [20:50] Or you could say [20:51] Nah.. leave it, indeed the written piece is referring the the past, so the tense is correct [20:51] Fun with grammar :D [20:51] bbiab [20:53] I'll ask for your feedback in a moment [20:53] ahoneybun: Do you prefer your nick? [20:54] um... name would be more professional maybe 'Aaron Honeycutt (ahoneybun)" ? [20:55] Done. Sorry to have omitted you. [20:55] mparillo: its no problem :) [20:55] ovidiu-florin: Your GMT+2 right ? [20:55] sometimes [20:55] sometimes I'm +3 [20:55] I'm confused about that [20:56]