[01:43] <Etriaph> valorie: Nomination received.
[05:00] <valorie> Etriaph: I figured I better get that done before I leave for a week
[05:00] <valorie> probably no IRC until I return from CT
[05:00] <Etriaph> Probably a good idea :D
[05:00] <Etriaph> Taking a vacation?
[05:01] <valorie> going to see my youngest graduate from college
[05:01] <valorie> didn't get to see them at all last year, so the visit is long overdue
[05:02] <Etriaph> Are you driving or flying cross country?
[05:05] <valorie> oh, flying
[05:05] <valorie> I wish I had time to drive, but not this year
[05:06] <valorie> not while my husband is off hiking for six months
[05:07] <valorie> perhaps when he decides, (and I know he will) to hike the Appalachian Trail
[05:09] <Etriaph> :)
[05:30] <Mirv> Riddell: too late for me at the time of your ping
[06:38] <lordievader> Goodmorning.
[06:52] <soee> good morning
[07:01] <lordievader> Hey soee 
[07:07] <sitter> patch parser is broken again
[07:07] <sitter> ...
[07:33] <ovidiu-florin> we ship with python-svn version 1.7.8. Latest is 1.7.10.
[07:33] <ovidiu-florin> if I can't find it here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=python&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=vivid it means we don't have it packaged?
[07:33] <ovidiu-florin> or should I look somewere else?
[07:35] <ovidiu-florin> also http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/amd64/python-svn/filelist only adds the libs for python 2.7, they are also for python 3
[07:41] <sitter> we do not maintain python-svn
[09:25] <vip> hello there
[09:25] <vip> any english native speaker here? I need the word for describing somebody, who issues commercial invoice
[09:41] <soee> vip try #english
[09:49] <Riddell> I can't think of a word it's probably just a finance or billing dept in most places
[09:50] <vip> thanks
[11:24] <sgclark> morning
[11:26] <soee> good morning sgclark
[11:54] <sitter> mh
[11:54] <sitter> apparentely I missed UOS
[11:54] <sgclark> haha
[11:54] <sitter> Riddell: you should have rang to remind me :P
[11:54] <sitter> although I was actually already in bed, hadn't had too much sleep the night before
[11:55] <sgclark> me either
[11:55] <sitter> sgclark: the hard hours of CI folk, eh? ^5
[11:55] <sgclark> most everything we went over is in the trello board
[11:55] <sgclark> sitter: yah omg
[11:56] <sgclark> sitter: btw how is docker working for you since the switch to systemd, I can no longer get anything to work
[11:59] <sitter> sgclark: we are running LTS on our servers
[11:59] <sitter> though I haven't noticed any problems on my workspace either
[11:59] <sgclark> ahhh
[11:59] <sgclark> mm
[11:59] <sitter> sgclark: why are you not running 14.04 for the host?
[12:00] <sgclark> because it was my local machine lol
[12:00] <sitter> ah xD
[12:00] <sgclark> gonna have to sort out systemd eventually anyway, will keep trying
[12:01] <sitter> yeah, it doesn't actually start my docker on boot, and I can't be bothered to figure out why xD
[12:02] <sgclark> hehe
[12:03] <ScottK> ovidiu-florin: pysvn is team maintained in Debian.  We can probably get it updated there and it'll sync into Ubuntu (but not today, I'm about to leave).
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:35] <Riddell> "Myriam Schweingruber (myriam) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2016-05-12" yay Mamarok still loves us!
[12:39] <seaLne> the lwn subscription keeps them coming back ;-)
[12:41] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:46] <Mamarok> Riddell: very unlikely I will ever stop loving you folks :)
[12:47] <Mamarok> remember: I use Kubuntu since its existence
[13:31] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: ovidiu-florin 151 views, not bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFwAAjutC_0
[13:32] <Riddell> mparillo: maybe a wire post with that video embedded and linked? ↑
[13:34] <Darkwing> Sorry I missed the session last night, was it recorded anywhere? 
[13:37] <Riddell> Darkwing: kickoff meeting at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22508/kubuntu-kickoff/ but that video will be super boring it's just us going over the trello items, you'd be better off just looking at the 15.10 trello board
[13:37] <Riddell> and plasma 5 demo at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22517/plasma-5-demo/
[13:37] <Darkwing> Lol okay. 
[13:39] <Darkwing> I'm sticking with Kubuntu 15.04 for its hidpi support. 
[13:40] <Darkwing> As far as I understand the uniformed scaling (fonts and icons) this is a X11 issue more than a qt/plasma/KDE one. 
[13:44] <Riddell> Darkwing: Plasma 5.3 has some hidpi support, next august applications and plasma releases will be perfect or at least so david says
[13:45] <Darkwing> As long as we keep in mind that there are varying levels for scale. 
[13:45] <Darkwing> Gnome messed up with the "just double everything" 
[13:45] <Riddell> qt is much better than that
[13:46] <Darkwing> Unity is honestly currently the best with support. 
[13:46] <Darkwing> But, it's bloody ugly compared to kde
[13:48] <Riddell> :)
[13:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: till i get a 4K display
[13:52] <shadeslayer> and then everything will be screwed again :p
[14:22] <mparillo> Riddell: On it. Good work Sick_Rimmit and ovidiu-florin.
[14:34] <genii> I'm curious if this new thing of holding videoconference meetings with the public invited to watch will become a regular thing.
[14:36] <sitter> hm? it's been a thing for years
[14:38] <genii> sitter: Yesterday was the first I became aware of it, then. I like the idea, helps people to understand what's being done by who, what kind of constraints they are under like workload or school, etc, and puts faces to the names.
[14:39]  * ricktimmis Doh! must of left Sick_Rimmit logged in at home
[14:39] <sitter> ghost him!
[14:40]  * sitter never actually ghosted an actually connected client
[14:40] <sitter> genii: we just didn't do it as we had mumble calls on a different schedule
[14:41]  * genii makes more coffee and contemplates
[14:42] <ricktimmis> This is my new shiny install of 15.04 Vivid, for my work machine, I traded in my Plasma 5 Tech Preview
[14:42]  * ricktimmis is happy boy!!
[14:42] <sitter> \o/
[14:45] <sitter> kubotu: order tea
[14:45]  * kubotu gives sitter a nice hot cup of tea.
[14:45] <sitter> mh
[14:45] <sitter> kubotu: not that kind
[14:45]  * sitter smacks kubotu
[14:47] <sitter> http://i.imgur.com/92Esu5Y.jpg ovidiu-florinception that is ^^
[16:18] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: 273 views now :D
[16:18] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'll write a post for my blog this evening, maybe it can be used for wire
[16:34] <genii> I hope whoever is supposed to "find out what the hell snappy is"  is watching the uos feed :)
[16:37] <BluesKaj> genii, yeah, I found the explanation understandable, but how it's going to be implemented is confusing
[16:38] <genii> Yes, not like PPA
[16:40] <BluesKaj> or a repos
[16:40] <BluesKaj> a proper repository that is
[16:41] <Riddell> hi ranveeraggarwal, ready to learn some packaging?
[16:42] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: sure
[16:42] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[16:42] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal:  in mnt
[16:43] <Riddell> make a directory called current
[16:43] <Riddell> and another one called new
[16:43] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: in ~/mnt
[16:43] <Riddell> (which is just the large hard disk you get along with an ec2)
[16:44] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: done
[16:44] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: in current  use  apt-get source packagekit
[16:44] <Riddell> to download the current stuff
[16:44] <Riddell> and check on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit-qt that it really is the latest
[16:45] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: now just to complicate life I see Debian has a newer version and we have diverged from them somewhat https://packages.debian.org/src:packagekit
[16:45] <Riddell> for simplicity we'll ignore it for now
[16:45] <Riddell> but maybe it we get problems we'll need to merge in debian's changes
[16:45] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: in the new/ directory download the latest upstream tar
[16:46] <ranveeraggarwal> I see. Debian indeed has newer versions of both packagekit and packagekit-qt
[16:47] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: but there's changes in ubuntu so we can't just take the debian version alas
[16:48] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: with tar you can miss out the J compression method, it'll work it out when uncompressing these days
[16:48] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: rename the tar file to follow the same pattern as the one in the current/ directory
[16:48] <ranveeraggarwal> Alright
[16:50] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: What pattern?
[16:50] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: I should have explained, you'll see in the current/ directory the current source "package" which is made up of 3 files, .orig.tar, debian.tar and .dsc
[16:50] <Riddell> the .orig.tar is the upstream source
[16:50] <Riddell> the debian.tar has the files that describe how to make the package
[16:50] <Riddell> and the .dsc is some metadata with checksums etc
[16:51] <Riddell> packagekit_0.8.17.orig.tar.xz is the pattern needed for the name
[16:51] <Riddell> lowercase underscore .orig
[16:51] <ranveeraggarwal> okay, got it
[16:51] <Riddell> just a rename from upstream's naming format for the file
[16:52] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: mv the PackageKit-1.0.6.tar.xz file not the directory
[16:52] <Riddell> too late! :)
[16:52] <ranveeraggarwal> Ah! My bad
[16:52] <Riddell> oh now you messed up :)
[16:52] <Riddell> rm -r and start again
[16:52] <ranveeraggarwal> Alrighty
[16:55] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Is is fine now?
[16:55] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: lovely, now inside that source directory copy the debian/ directory from the current package
[16:56] <Riddell> that debian.tar contains a debian/ directory with some files that get extracted into the source
[16:56] <Riddell> so uncompress it and mv the debian/ directory into the sources
[16:57] <Riddell> this is a pretty complex package :(
[16:57] <Riddell> lovely
[16:57] <Riddell> cd into the sources
[16:57] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: which editor do you like?
[16:57] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: I generally use sublime text, but I'm fine vim
[16:58] <Riddell> yep we have that installed
[16:58] <Riddell> export EDITOR=vim
[16:58] <Riddell> and run  dch -i  and it'll open an editor with a changelog template to add
[16:59] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: change the version number on the first line to the right one
[16:59] <Riddell> with -0ubuntu1 on the end
[16:59] <Riddell> add a 1 line description of what's changed
[16:59] <Riddell> and fix the name and e-mail
[17:00] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal:  1.0.0 -> 1.0.6
[17:00] <Riddell> uh oh what happened!?
[17:01] <ranveeraggarwal> I think I pressed a wrong key. Just undo-ed it
[17:01] <Riddell> phew :)
[17:01] <Riddell> fix name and e-mail
[17:01] <ranveeraggarwal> Do I put mine in there?
[17:02] <Riddell> yep
[17:02] <Riddell> lovely save and quit
[17:03] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: check that debian/changelog has updated
[17:03] <Riddell> looks good
[17:03] <ranveeraggarwal> Yep
[17:03] <Riddell> have a look in debian/ and see what's in there
[17:04] <Riddell> so aye, a complex package
[17:04] <Riddell> the .install files list the files that will go into each .deb that gets made
[17:04] <Riddell> rules is a makefile to describe how to compile the package
[17:04] <ranveeraggarwal> So is there someplace I can gt to know what all those files do?
[17:05] <Riddell> and control is the list of .debs that get made
[17:05] <Riddell> lots of places, none of them great
[17:05] <Riddell> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[17:05] <Riddell> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dreq.en.html for example
[17:05] <Riddell> the patches/ directory will contain patches that we add to the upstream source
[17:06] <Riddell> any questions?
[17:07] <ranveeraggarwal> Well, I get the high level overview, I'll explore the debian/ folder deeper later
[17:08] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: What's next?
[17:08] <Riddell> we need to work out what patches are still useful
[17:09] <Riddell> we use a tool called quilt to manage the patches
[17:09] <Riddell> look in patches/ to see what's there
[17:09] <Riddell> and from the top source directory run  quilt push to see if the first one applies
[17:10] <Riddell> yay, 1 down :)
[17:10] <Riddell> do it again
[17:10] <Riddell> oh well
[17:10] <Riddell> it couldn't last
[17:10] <Riddell> let me have a look
[17:10] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: What exactly is happening there? Where are we pushing the patches to?
[17:11] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: they're patches to the source from the upstream tar
[17:11] <Riddell> e.g. this one wants to edit the /etc/packagekit.conf file
[17:11] <Riddell> but it doesn't seem to exist in this new version
[17:11] <Riddell> quilt push just applies them to the source
[17:12] <ranveeraggarwal> Oh, so that means, that patch got lost somewhere in between v0.8.17 and v1.0.6. Is that so?
[17:12] <Riddell> the file that patch applies to got lost
[17:12] <Riddell> so for now lets just remove the patch
[17:13] <Riddell> edit debian/patches/series and comment out the line with the patch name in it
[17:14] <ranveeraggarwal> Do I just put a `//` in front of defaults.diff?
[17:14] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: a #
[17:14] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: quilt push
[17:15] <Riddell> oh live is cruel
[17:15] <Riddell> this is why patches are evil
[17:20] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: ok so I forced it to apply then I edited the file based on installing the current one and working out what the patch it supposed to do
[17:20] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: this is only for a PPA and not the real archive or I'd take more care but hopefully I got it right
[17:20] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: ok  quilt push again
[17:21] <Riddell> "Patch debian/patches/01_changelog-url.patch can be reverse-applied" so that's gone upstream
[17:21] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: comment it out in the series file
[17:22] <Riddell> push push
[17:22] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: another upstreamed, comment it out
[17:23] <Riddell> push!
[17:23] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: another upstreamed, comment it out
[17:24] <Riddell> meh
[17:24] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: yep looks like that got upstream although not exactly the same so comment that out too
[17:24] <ranveeraggarwal> Alright
[17:25] <Riddell> comment it out
[17:26] <Riddell> groovy comment that out too
[17:26] <ranveeraggarwal> Damn that latency. I need to get a better internet connection
[17:26] <ranveeraggarwal> Looks like it worked out :)
[17:27] <Riddell> the ec2 is in the US, they can probably be set up somewhere closer to you
[17:27] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: ok let's see if it compiles
[17:27] <Riddell> debuild -j2  is the magic command to make the package
[17:27] <Riddell> -j2 because we have 2 cores on this machine
[17:28] <Riddell> needs some build-depends packages installed
[17:28] <Riddell> the command to work out what they are is  /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-sat<tab>
[17:28] <Riddell> it has a silly long name
[17:28] <Riddell> use sudo i think
[17:29] <ranveeraggarwal> What does this do?
[17:30] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: all packages will need other stuff installed to be compiled, those are listed in debian/control 
[17:30] <Riddell> and this just installs that list of packages
[17:31] <Riddell> groovy, debuild -j2 again
[17:31] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: ah! Alright
[17:32] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal:  groovy, debuild -j2 again
[17:33] <ranveeraggarwal> The previous command still executing here
[17:33] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: no it's done
[17:34] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: I think it's taking time to std-out to my terminal 
[17:34] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: has the connection dropped?  can you type stuff in the terminal?
[17:35] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Yes, that's it. I'm on a relatively slower internet this week. So even though the process has completed, it's still throwing all its verbose out
[17:35] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: just start a new konsole and ssh in again   ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[17:36] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Yep, that was the issue, it seems :)
[17:37] <Riddell> groovy, it's compiling
[17:38] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: looks like it all compiled
[17:38] <Riddell> not it's trying to move the files into place for each of the .deb
[17:38] <Riddell> which is done by the comment dh_install
[17:39] <ranveeraggarwal> It shows some error
[17:39] <Riddell> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/etc/PackageKit/events/ debian/packagekit//etc/PackageKit/ returne│···················································································································
[17:39] <Riddell> d exit code 1
[17:39] <Riddell> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/etc/PackageKit/events/ debian/packagekit//etc/PackageKit/ returned exit code 1
[17:40] <Riddell> so it's trying to move the etc/PackageKit/events/ directory into place for the packagekit .deb
[17:40] <Riddell> but that directory doesn't exist any more
[17:40] <Riddell> so edit debian/packagekit.install and remove the line that lists it
[17:40] <Riddell> 3rd line
[17:41] <ranveeraggarwal> What do I put in place of it?
[17:41] <ranveeraggarwal> Alright, simply remove
[17:41] <Riddell> just remove
[17:41] <Riddell> now run   dh_install --list-missing
[17:41] <Riddell> to see where it breaks now
[17:42] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Do I remove that line too?
[17:42] <Riddell> yep
[17:44] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: What now?
[17:44] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: did you remove the next one?
[17:44] <Riddell> if so run dh_install --list-missing again
[17:45] <ranveeraggarwal> Same issue
[17:45] <Riddell> you're getting the hang of this :)
[17:46] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Sort of :)
[17:48] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell : <>/pk-debuginfo-install isn't present in the .install file
[17:49] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: "debian/packagekit-tools" it's copying into that other .deb
[17:49] <Riddell> so open packagekit-tools.install and edit there
[17:55] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: What's the issue now?
[17:56] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: lovely, so now we have the opposite problem, new files and we need to work out which .deb to put them instal
[17:56] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: looking at the newer version from debian those files both go into debian/packagekit.install
[17:57] <Riddell> so add them there
[17:58] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Success!
[17:58] <Riddell> lovely
[17:58] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: debuild -nc
[17:58] <Riddell> will carry on the build  with  no-clear so it doesn't all compile again
[17:59] <Riddell> you don't really need the -j2 here, that's only useful for the compile stage which has already been done
[17:59] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Oh alright
[17:59] <Riddell> hmm some scary warnings about unresolvable symbole there
[18:00] <Riddell> it's done!
[18:00] <Riddell> so you should now have a bunch of .deb packages in the directory above ..
[18:00] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Yep!
[18:01] <Riddell> on your launchpad page https://launchpad.net/~ranveeraggarwal  click create a PPA
[18:01] <Riddell> and fill in the form
[18:01] <Riddell> then we can upload this to the PPA
[18:02] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Done
[18:02] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: do you have gpg keys?
[18:02] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Nope, what are those?
[18:03] <Riddell> gpg keys are ecryption keys for pgp encryption and signing
[18:03] <Riddell> packages needs to be signed so that launchpad knows they come from you when you upload them
[18:04] <ranveeraggarwal> Oh, so do I create one on my local machine?
[18:05] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: yep
[18:05] <Riddell> gpg --gen-key
[18:05] <Riddell> and follow the defaults
[18:05] <Riddell> like I just did on the ec2 server
[18:10] <ranveeraggarwal> Alright, key generated. What to do now?
[18:11] <Riddell> see step 12 https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey#Importing_your_key_into_Launchpad_with_gpg
[18:11] <Riddell> just above that
[18:11] <Riddell> that'll send it to the keyserver
[18:12] <Riddell> it will have made files in ~/.gnupg and just like ssh there's a public part you can spread around and a private part you can never let anyone access
[18:12] <Riddell> so don't put it on this shared ec2 for example
[18:16] <Riddell> ranveeraggarwal: I need to leave shortly so I've made the source package with  debuild -S  and signed it from my computer with  debsign -kjriddell@ubuntu.com -r ubuntu@ec2-54-166-50-80.compute-1.amazonaws.com:mnt/new/packagekit_1.0.6-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_source.changes
[18:16] <Riddell> and uploaded it to my ppa with   dput -u ppa:jr/ppa packagekit_1.0.6-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1_source.changes
[18:17] <Riddell> you can try and do the same 
[18:18] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: Alright, I'm mostly done. Just waiting for the Email verification
[18:33] <sick_rimmit> Ello me lovelies :-)
[18:37] <ranveeraggarwal> Riddell: I signed it, but it says it has already been uploaded to ppa
[18:47] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: rick?
[18:48] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Hey
[18:48] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Yes thats me
[18:48] <ahoneybun> pretty crazy yesterday lol
[18:54] <Etriaph> ScottK: I was having the issue with Dolphin regarding places, and I'm trying to install kde-baseapps from vivid-proposed, but it doesn't seem to be one of the packages I can update.
[18:54] <Etriaph> ScottK: Riddell sent me a link to it suggesting that I try out the proposed package, just looking for some direction
[18:55] <BluesKaj> dolphin places doen't accept added folders either network or others ..so far at least
[18:56] <Etriaph> BluesKaj: Someone has fixed this upstream, the bug on bko is resolved
[18:56] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Hey it was fun, and I think we made a jolly good show of it :-)
[18:57] <Etriaph> sick_rimmit: ahoneybun, I would love to see some use cases for productivity put forward as some interactive web seminars.
[18:58] <sick_rimmit> Etriaph: Funny you should mention that, I'm just working on the very medium for said thing
[18:58] <Etriaph> sick_rimmit: Excellent.  Any chance I can put forward a couple of topics I think would draw people to the community?
[19:00] <sick_rimmit> Etriaph: Absolutely!! That would be Ace! - Can you hold them on ice for a few days, whilst I get all the stuff setup, then you'll have a place to post them.
[19:01] <Etriaph> sick_rimmit: Yup, just let me know when you're ready.  :D
[19:01] <Etriaph> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1422469 is the bug I was talking about (lp version)
[19:02] <sick_rimmit> Etriaph: Perfect, I will announce here, there and everywhere. But I will make sure you know
[19:02] <Etriaph> BluesKaj: There's a patch, but I can't get it in proposed.
[19:02] <Etriaph> sick_rimmit: I'll query my email if you don't mind.
[19:03] <sick_rimmit> Etriaph: Sure, I will post it the mailing list
[19:03] <Etriaph> sick_rimmit: Or if you're tossing it in kubuntu-devel list I'll wait on that.
[19:03] <Etriaph> Perfect :D
[19:03] <BluesKaj> Etriaph, thanks, think I'll wait ...proposed is bit dangerous 
[19:04] <Etriaph> BluesKaj: Yes, which is why I haven't updated anything, but kde-baseapps was supposed to have an update in there (according to the notes on the bug) but doesn't, just a bit confused based on ScottK's note
[19:06] <BluesKaj> Etriaph, np, I'm on early days here on 15,10 Wily and my backup OS is 15.04 on a different HDD, so there' no big hurry 
[19:06] <yofel> Etriaph: vivid proposed has kde-baseapps 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1, what do you have?
[19:07] <Etriaph> yofel: Nothing as far as I can see from the updates available.
[19:07] <yofel> mirror might be out of date then
[19:07] <Etriaph> kde-baseapps isn't included
[19:07] <Etriaph> Ah, OK
[19:38] <soee> hiho
[19:40] <Etriaph> Hey soee
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: are you here?
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you here?
[20:08] <debfx> Sput: is there a particular reason why quassel exchanges its build date in the handshake?
[20:09] <Etriaph> Riddell is away until next week sometime.
[20:09] <Etriaph> So is valorie
[20:11] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Yes, just back from Fish n Chip shop
[20:18] <aaron__> o/ prth
[20:20] <prth> ahoneybun, \o
[20:24] <Sput> debfx: I think purely for the core info dialog
[20:25] <Etriaph> Who manages Kubuntu Wire?
[20:26] <Etriaph> http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=319&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter left a comment regarding no annotation for ahoneybun being in the video.
[20:27] <ahoneybun> thanks Etriaph
[20:27] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Going to try to get them to change it though if I can find who manages it :D
[20:27]  * ahoneybun thinks Riddell
[20:28] <ahoneybun> at least have access
[20:28] <Etriaph> Marco Parillo?
[20:28] <Etriaph> He posted it I think
[20:29] <yofel> mparillo: ^
[20:29] <Etriaph> mparillo: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=319&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter can you update this with ahoneybun added to the list of presenters in the video?
[20:29] <debfx> Sput: are you strongly attached to that feature? :)  embedding the build timestamp it makes it impossible to create reproducible builds
[20:31] <yofel> how about making that local-build-only? Unless you compile yourself that's really not of much value
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> mparillo: If you do edit it could you change my name to Rick Timmis - my realname
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> Thank
[20:32] <Sput> debfx: not necessarily
[20:32] <Sput> debfx: however changing this in the current protocol might be annoying
[20:34] <debfx> Sput: for compatibility new clients could just send a dummy date
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: I'm searching for a verb in english
[20:43] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Hi
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> how do you call what you did yesterday at the session?
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: I was the "Show Host"
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> can you put that in a verb?
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: In US they call this the Anchor
[20:44] <BluesKaj> presenter ?
[20:44] <ovidiu-florin> the session was (verb) by Rick
[20:44] <sick_rimmit> Hosted
[20:45] <sick_rimmit> the session was hosted by Rick
[20:45] <Etriaph> Who would be the best person to talk to regarding xdg issues?
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> that work makes me think that only Rick was part of that presentation
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> word*
[20:45] <Etriaph> (Trying to support a user on the mailing list)
[20:45] <sick_rimmit> OK try this
[20:46] <sick_rimmit> Plasma 5 demo Hangout hosted by Rick, with co presenters Aaron and Ovidiu
[20:46] <sick_rimmit> Or ...
[20:47] <sick_rimmit> hosted by kubuntu members Aaron, Ovidiu, and Rick
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: this is my sentence: "The session was (verb) by Rick, who made sure we keep on track and don't exceed our allocated time frame."
[20:48] <ovidiu-florin> s/keep/kept
[20:48] <sick_rimmit> Ah ok...
[20:48] <sick_rimmit> chaired
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> I think that's the verb I'm looking for
[20:49] <sick_rimmit> The noun is Chairman
[20:49] <sick_rimmit> the verb is Chaired
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thank you
[20:49] <sick_rimmit> Adjective Chairing
[20:50] <mparillo> I will add ahoneybun and change to  Rick Timmis 
[20:50] <ahoneybun> thanks mparillo
[20:50] <Etriaph> Chaired is past-tense, can it be a verb?
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> mparillo: Oh thank you thats excellent
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> what are you talking about?
[20:50] <sick_rimmit> Or you could say
[20:51] <sick_rimmit> Nah.. leave it, indeed the written piece is referring the the past, so the tense is correct
[20:51] <Etriaph> Fun with grammar :D
[20:51] <Etriaph> bbiab
[20:53] <ovidiu-florin> I'll ask for your feedback in a moment
[20:53] <mparillo> ahoneybun: Do you prefer your nick?
[20:54] <ahoneybun> um... name would be more professional maybe 'Aaron Honeycutt (ahoneybun)" ?
[20:55] <mparillo> Done. Sorry to have omitted you.
[20:55] <ahoneybun> mparillo: its no problem :)
[20:55] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Your GMT+2 right ?
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> sometimes
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> sometimes I'm +3
[20:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'm confused about that
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: What time are you relative to GMT please ?
[20:56] <ahoneybun> um not sure
[20:56] <ahoneybun> I'm in New York timezone
[20:56] <sick_rimmit> OK what about UTC
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> UTC+3 now
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: I meant UTC, I have no idea about GMT
[20:57] <ahoneybun> UTC-4
[20:57] <ahoneybun> everytimezone.com
[20:57] <sick_rimmit> Great, I like UTC, or Swatch @beats
[20:58] <sick_rimmit> There's a surprise coming to you boys in a few minutes
[20:58] <ovidiu-florin> where and from where?
[21:00]  * ahoneybun is scared
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> I'm searching for a featured image for my blog post, any recomendations?
[21:01] <ahoneybun> maybe the 15.04 mascot logo?
[21:01] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: 
[21:01] <ovidiu-florin> we have one???//
[21:02] <ovidiu-florin> for kubuntu?
[21:02] <ahoneybun> well not at the moment
[21:02] <ahoneybun> I have some svg files for the new mascot
[21:02] <ahoneybun> I can change the color to blue maybe
[21:03] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin
[21:03] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: can you show it to me? like it is now
[21:04] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I sent you a link to my gdrive that has the files
[21:06] <ahoneybun> you can give me the size you need as well if you wish
[21:06] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ^
[21:08] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: no
[21:08] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:10] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: ahoneybun You ready :-)
[21:10]  * ovidiu-florin is terrified
[21:10] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: never are
[21:11]  * ovidiu-florin is listening to his horrible english from the presentation from yesterday
[21:13] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: You're being very silly, your English is excellent, better than some English folks
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> yeah... I've said: "here is the elements".....
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> I was thinking of list of elements....
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> but the wrong thing came out
[21:14]  * Etriaph is a very good writer, if you're looking for someone to proofread
[21:14] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: yes
[21:14] <ovidiu-florin> in a monent
[21:15] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: nerves, not bad english
[21:18] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell sick_rimmit Etriaph ahoneybun proofread please: http://ovidiu.geekaliens.com/en/2015/05/07/plasma-5-and-kf5-demo-at-uos-2015/
[21:19] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: https://imgur.com/ypWB62j
[21:19] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: "didn't exceed"
[21:19] <Etriaph> 3rd para
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: that looks like a devil, I don't like it, sorry
[21:20] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: The session was chaired by Rick, who made sure we kept on track and don’t exceed  <-  Change don't for didn't ( means did not )
[21:20] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: thanks
[21:21] <sick_rimmit> Sorry I didn't see Etriaph already got that
[21:21] <sick_rimmit> Thanks
[21:21] <ovidiu-florin> just changed that, not published yet
[21:21] <Etriaph> "After that I’ve started talking about what is KDE" should be "After describing what KDE is"
[21:22] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: I dissagree
[21:22] <Etriaph> "a bit of how it is organized" -> "a bit about how it is organized"
[21:22] <ovidiu-florin> I'm reffering to the fact that after the introduction I've started my presentation
[21:22] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: It's gramatically incorrect, I'm adjusting it :D
 "After that I’ve started talking about what is KDE" should be "After describing what KDE is", the 2 reffer to two different times
[21:23] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: ahoneybun Check your G+
[21:23] <Etriaph> "After that I’ve started talking about what is KDE, what it consists of, a bit of how it is organized and the migration from KDE SC 4 to KDE Frameworks 5." -> "After that, we discussed what KDE is, what it consists of and a bit about how it is organized followed by the migration from KDE SC 4 to KDE Frameworks 5"
[21:24] <Etriaph> That's how I would have phrased that paragraph.
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: when is that? it show's me that it will be 2 hours ago
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: I agree, but it wasn't a discussion, it was a presentation
[21:25] <sick_rimmit> Ah no 
[21:25] <sick_rimmit> It's set for June 3rd
[21:26] <sick_rimmit> More G+ stuff coming your way
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: are you reffering to : https://plus.google.com/events/cvh050dbgcdjrhbdn3g0us999bc
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[21:26] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Change the we to I, but the rest of the sentence is still the best grammatical format.
[21:26] <ahoneybun> I see nothing on G+
[21:27] <sick_rimmit> Check out who just added you to the circle
[21:27] <sick_rimmit> Ah no https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/112102796730023795852/112102796730023795852/posts
[21:27] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: how about: "After that, I talked about what KDE is, what it consists of and a bit about how it is organized followed by the migration from KDE SC 4 to KDE Frameworks 5"?
[21:28] <ovidiu-florin> iI've*****
[21:28] <ahoneybun> I see
[21:28] <Etriaph> "After the presentation, I had a short chat with Rick with respect to planning some screencasts and to go more in depth with these applications as a continuation of my Screencast series (of which I’ll talk about in a future blog post)."
[21:28] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: Yup, that works
[21:28] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: I love it :D
[21:28] <Etriaph> Oops, omit the "and" after "screencasts"
[21:30] <Etriaph> Or.. no "I had a short chat with Rick regarding additional screencasts to dig deeper into these applications as a continuation of my Screencast series"
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> \o/ Woo Hoo 
[21:31] <sick_rimmit> Glad you like it ovidiu-florin
[21:31] <ScottK> Etriaph: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification
[21:33] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: I can't do 3rd of june
[21:33] <ovidiu-florin> I'm traveling
[21:34] <ovidiu-florin> I'll be back on the 8th
[21:34] <ahoneybun> I'll be here
[21:34] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Can you do 10th June ?
[21:34] <Etriaph> ScottK: I enabled it, there was no update for kde-baseapps
[21:34] <ovidiu-florin> sure
[21:35] <Etriaph> ScottK: I enabled it in Muon Discover, fyi
[21:35] <ahoneybun> +1
[21:35] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: anything else?
[21:35] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: ^
[21:35] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: FYI, the rest is excellent.
[21:35] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[21:36] <ScottK> Etriaph: It exists:  kde-baseapps | 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1 | vivid-proposed/universe | source, all
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph ahoneybun sick_rimmit, now, let's translate it into romanian :D:D
[21:36] <sick_rimmit> ahoneybun: Can you make 10 June 
[21:36] <Etriaph> ScottK: OK, let me try this again.
[21:36] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: on which youtube channel will this be hosted?
[21:36] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: +1
[21:37] <sick_rimmit> It has its own
[21:37] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: link please
[21:40] <ahoneybun> sick_rimmit: I do have control of the Kubuntu Promo account on G+
[21:40] <Etriaph> ScottK:  kde-baseapps : Depends: konqueror (>= 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1) but it is not going to be installed
[21:41] <ScottK> What happens if you try to install konqueror directly?
[21:41] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: You lost me at Romanian
[21:41] <Etriaph> ScottK: I tried installing it with kde-baseapps
[21:41] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[21:41] <ScottK> I know.  Try installing it by itself.
[21:41] <Etriaph> sudo apt-get install konqueror/vivid-proposed kde-baseapps/vivid-proposed
[21:41] <Etriaph> OK, one sec.
[21:42] <ovidiu-florin> sick_rimmit: if the account is not created yet, please let me create it
[21:43] <ahoneybun> wait you made a IRC channel too sick_rimmit?
[21:43] <sick_rimmit> ovidiu-florin: All done
[21:43] <sick_rimmit> Yes come say hi
[21:43] <ahoneybun> damn
[21:43] <sick_rimmit> #kubuntu-podcast
[21:43] <Etriaph> ScottK: OK, seems to have installed, let me see how it goes.
[21:50] <Etriaph> That was interesting.
[21:50] <Etriaph> During the install plasma crashed.
[21:51] <debfx> Sput: I've posted https://github.com/quassel/quassel/pull/127
[21:51] <debfx> looks like it's very controversial ^^
[21:52] <Sput> I wonder if this should maybe a compile-time option exclusively for Debian
[21:54] <Sput> (or maybe just a Debian patch)
[21:57] <Etriaph> ScottK: Now on 4:15.04.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1 for kde-base-apps
[21:57] <Etriaph> err... kde-baseapps
[21:57] <ScottK> That's not the right version.
[21:57] <Etriaph> Hrm.
[21:58] <ScottK> Etriaph: You need to remove the PPA packages.
[21:58] <debfx> reproducible builds is not something only Debian is interested in
[21:59] <ScottK> That's why you can't upgrade to proposes.
[21:59] <ScottK> Sput: reproducible builds is a really good idea.  Eventually, I think it'll be a foundational security concept.
[22:01] <Etriaph> ScottK: So I have to remove everything that the proposed repo intends to provide?
[22:01]  * Etriaph hasn't done any formal testing with Ubuntu before.
[22:03]  * ahoneybun is going into Ubuntu Membership Board member mode
[22:49] <ScottK> Etriaph: The PPAs have a newer version than is in Ubuntu proper, so an update to the proposed packages is considered a downgrade on your system.  That's why it wasn't working before.
[22:49] <ScottK> PPAs and the proposed repos serve different purposes.
[22:49] <Etriaph> ScottK: Ah, OK
[22:49] <Etriaph> So this is something better tested in a VM?
[22:53] <Etriaph> ScottK: I would assume there's potential for system instability if I downgraded to those packages?
[22:53] <ScottK> Potentially.
[22:53] <ScottK> There are no guarantees, but I think it'd be low risk.
[22:54] <Etriaph> ScottK: How do I mass downgrade to the proposed?
[22:54] <Etriaph> ScottK: I'm assuming there are deps for kde-baseapps
[22:54] <ScottK> There's a ppa-purge command.
[22:55] <ScottK> You have to install the package though.
[22:55] <Etriaph> I have it.
[22:55] <Etriaph> ScottK: What am I purging?
[22:55] <ScottK> Anything that was installed via a PPA.
[22:57] <Etriaph> So including anything from vivid-backports, vivid-updates?
[23:16] <Etriaph> ScottK: OK, kde-baseapps is at 4:14.12.3-0ubuntu3.1
[23:17] <ScottK> No, won't make stuff from vivid-backports or updates go away.  Those aren't PPAs.
[23:17] <ScottK> OK.  Now you should be able to test.
[23:17] <Etriaph> I did, still not working.
[23:17] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[23:17] <Etriaph> Drag & Drop + Manually adding an entry, no Place is saved
[23:17] <ScottK> Did you restart your KDE session?
[23:17] <Etriaph> Uh, nope, give me 2 secs.
[23:20] <Etriaph> ScottK: Nope, no change.
[23:20] <Etriaph> ScottK: How do I blow away all of Dolphin's config, start fresh?
[23:20] <ScottK> Look in ~/.kde
[23:20] <Etriaph> Setting it up again takes minutes for me.
[23:20] <Etriaph> Nothing in .config or .local?
[23:21] <ScottK> Not for KDE4 (which I think Dolphin still is)
[23:21] <ScottK> ~/.kde/share/config/
[23:22] <Etriaph> Yup, removed ~/.kde/share/apps/dolphin and ~/.kde/share/config/dolphinrc
[23:22] <Etriaph> Still no change.
[23:23] <Etriaph> It can't seem to save ~/.local/share/user-places.xbel; but it reads places saved in other applications, Krita for example
[23:23] <Etriaph> I've "worked around" this issue by creating global places in Krita
[23:25] <Etriaph> But I would consider this to be a major feature of Dolphin as many people enjoy contextual file browsing, which is why I've been working hard to report it, and stay on top of the process.
[23:26] <Etriaph> ScottK: ^ and sorry if my inexperience testing these kinds of bugs has been a hassle.  :D
[23:26] <ScottK> No problem.  Glad to have someone testing.