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| lotuspsychje | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Massive-Ubuntu-Touch-Update-Coming-to-Phones-and-Tablets-This-Summer-480379.shtml | 04:28 |
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| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Roast Leg Of Lamb Day! 😃 | 08:52 |
| PhilippeP | Poor lamb :) | 08:57 |
| john96 | Does anyone know if native apps for email and xmpp IM are in development? I just gave ubuntu touch a go on my nexus 4 & found it quite nice to use.. but it just seems like the app ecosystem is too small at this point to be able to switch from android.. | 10:19 |
| davmor2 | john96: dekko for email, no to xmpp | 10:20 |
| davmor2 | john96: if you go to the store an type in xmpp or email in the search box it should show anything in the works | 10:20 |
| john96 | davmor2: ok, thanks :) | 10:21 |
| brunch875 | HELLO! | 10:22 |
| brunch875 | Good morning everyone :) | 10:22 |
| ChloeWolfieGirl | morn :3 | 10:25 |
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| jgdx | morn' du | 11:32 |
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| jgdx | Elleo, hi, have you seen this [1] ? I'm running latest Arale and this is still a huge issue on the danish keyboard. [1] bug 1442365 | 12:47 |
| ubot5 | bug 1442365 in ubuntu-keyboard "Auto capitalize allows for many capital letters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442365 | 12:47 |
| Elleo | jgdx: heya, sounds like a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1448145 which I'm working on at the moment | 12:48 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1448145 in ubuntu-keyboard "[Ubuntu Phone] The first characters are always in uppercase in webapps" [High,Confirmed] | 12:48 |
| Elleo | jgdx: do you have word suggestions and spell check disabled? and does it only happen in webapps | 12:48 |
| Elleo | jgdx: if so it's that bug, if not then it's something else for me to worry about :P | 12:49 |
| jgdx | Elleo, okay, yeah it might be a duplicate. This is in _all_ apps that allows for text editing that is not passwords, urls and other special types. | 12:49 |
| Elleo | jgdx: QML apps as well as webapps? | 12:49 |
| jgdx | Elleo, yeah, messaging app | 12:49 |
| jgdx | e.g. | 12:49 |
| Elleo | jgdx: then its a different bug | 12:49 |
| jgdx | exact same symptoms though | 12:50 |
| Elleo | jgdx: will try to reproduce as soon as my arale has enough charge to boot | 12:50 |
| jgdx | Elleo, maybe ping me when you have a silo/package in ppa? | 12:50 |
| Elleo | jgdx: well the other bug is due to an oxide bug, so will have a different fix to this one | 12:51 |
| Elleo | jgdx: does it happen with any other language layouts? | 12:51 |
| jgdx | Elleo, oh ok. I can check when my arale is charged. | 12:53 |
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| Elleo | jgdx: I can't reproduce it with Danish on my arale | 12:53 |
| jgdx | Elleo, good | 12:54 |
| Elleo | jgdx: well, not great, since I can't fix it without being able to reproduce it :P but at least it suggests it might not be widespread | 12:54 |
| jgdx | Elleo, you said you can't. Hah, sorry :P | 12:54 |
| jgdx | It needs maybe 3-5 tries? | 12:55 |
| jgdx | But I can reproduce always. | 12:55 |
| Elleo | jgdx: when you arale is charged could you double check to verify it definitely happens in QML and not just webapps? | 12:55 |
| Elleo | yeah, I've been typing a bunch of words with fullstops between and haven't hit it yet | 12:55 |
| jgdx | Elleo, yup, but it happens in the messaging app | 12:55 |
| jgdx | you have to type quickly | 12:55 |
| Elleo | yeah, I have been, even hitting keys simultaneously | 12:56 |
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| didrocks | cwayne: hey, so I'm getting on a fresh bq device bug #1446766 | 13:30 |
| ubot5 | bug 1446766 in Today Scope "BQ device: On first boot, Today scope continually asks for Google account login after I have done so via Settings -> Accounts" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446766 | 13:30 |
| didrocks | cwayne: and even rebooting doesn't fix it (I installed the calendar app, sync it, reboot) | 13:30 |
| didrocks | and I have the OOBE with "skip and setup later" | 13:31 |
| cwayne | didrocks, click skip and setup later | 13:32 |
| cwayne | click/tap | 13:32 |
| didrocks | cwayne: shouldn't it remove the "configure an account" once it's done? (at least, the google one) | 13:33 |
| didrocks | so yeah, dismissing works, but it seems it's not what the user would expect | 13:33 |
| cwayne | didrocks, the google one was handled differently because it needed a bit more explanation, but yeah, I agree we may need to tweak the UX there a bit | 13:33 |
| didrocks | cwayne: maybe we can recycle this bug report for this? I'm happy to update the description | 13:34 |
| jgdx | awe, ping | 13:35 |
| cwayne | didrocks, please do | 13:35 |
| didrocks | cwayne: doing then, thanks! | 13:35 |
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| awe | jgdx, whatsup? | 13:37 |
| jgdx | awe, do you have time to talk apn? | 13:37 |
| awe | sure | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | funny, i now get excited when i hear "apn" :-D | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | i used to run like hell | 13:38 |
| * jgdx dumps a branch on ken's porch and runs | 13:38 | |
| kenvandine | haha | 13:38 |
| awe | fyi, although I haven't started the work for 'SetPref', I've been thinking about it, and will get going on a patch this afternoon hopefully | 13:38 |
| jgdx | awe, when there are no preferred contexts, should settings set one? Isn't that ofono's job? | 13:38 |
| awe | jgdx, my thoughts on that are no... | 13:39 |
| jgdx | but uss ain't a service | 13:39 |
| jgdx | uaas | 13:39 |
| awe | if there are no preferred contexts, then it should just act as it does today | 13:39 |
| awe | ( ie. NM tries APNs round-robin ) | 13:39 |
| DJJeff | why is nexus 5 not on the status spreedsheet | 13:40 |
| DJJeff | and how come it has not been updated in ages | 13:40 |
| jgdx | awe, I agree, so we don't pick one for the user if there is no preferred | 13:40 |
| jgdx | s/is/are | 13:41 |
| jgdx | however, that's a bit confusing, beucase the UI will have no green check in front of the active one | 13:41 |
| jgdx | but then uss have to pick a preferred one, and that is … hard | 13:42 |
| awe | jgdx, correct. NM picks one, as in the first one that works, is used | 13:42 |
| awe | jgdx, why wouldn't the UI just show the currently active APN as selected if none are 'Preferred'? | 13:43 |
| awe | is that hard to implement? | 13:43 |
| jgdx | maybe | 13:43 |
| awe | I suppose we *could* possibly change ofono to mark the context as 'Preferred' when activated | 13:44 |
| awe | but I'd need to discuss with abeato when he's back | 13:44 |
| awe | hmm, no that wouldn't work | 13:44 |
| awe | that would defeat the initial round-robin behavior | 13:44 |
| jgdx | but then we say that no preferred contexts is a good thing in some cases | 13:45 |
| jgdx | and uss shouldn't pick one | 13:45 |
| jgdx | it could just show a green tick besides the active one, but that is quite inconsistent in my mind | 13:46 |
| jgdx | if I uncheck it, what does that mean? | 13:46 |
| awe | jgdx, after initial unboxing, or after a new SIM is installed | 13:47 |
| awe | having no preferred is a good thing | 13:48 |
| jgdx | right | 13:48 |
| awe | it lets the system try to auto-detect which APN to use if multiple inet APNs exist for the SIM | 13:48 |
| awe | a user may then come along to uss | 13:48 |
| awe | and say "use this one" | 13:48 |
| awe | at that point we set pref | 13:48 |
| awe | and that restricts nm to only use that apn from then on | 13:48 |
| awe | even if it's broken/not working | 13:49 |
| awe | otherwise we get the current unpredictable behavior | 13:49 |
| awe | when a user tries to select a different apn | 13:49 |
| awe | jgdx, can you point me at a silo or PPA so I can play around with the UI? | 13:50 |
| awe | a lot has happened since our white-board re-design session | 13:50 |
| jgdx | awe, phablet-team ppa, but you need to upgrade libqofono | 13:50 |
| awe | is that in the ppa too? | 13:50 |
| jgdx | no | 13:50 |
| awe | where can i get it? | 13:51 |
| awe | or could we push to the ppa too? | 13:51 |
| jgdx | awe, hm, seems it landed in vivid | 13:51 |
| awe | in vivid, or in -updates or -security? | 13:52 |
| awe | do you have a version # for me? | 13:52 |
| jgdx | to sec | 13:52 |
| jgdx | two | 13:52 |
| jgdx | awe, still in a silo, ubuntu/landing-029 | 13:54 |
| jgdx | looking for 0.70-0ubuntu3 | 13:54 |
| kenvandine | awe, jgdx: it is in the ppa | 13:56 |
| awe | jgdx, ok. we have net/telephony meeting in ~5m, then I will take a look this afternoon | 13:56 |
| awe | kenvandine, libqofono? | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | i copied it from the silo last week | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:56 |
| awe | cool | 13:56 |
| awe | jgdx, I'll be on the uss hangout tomorrow too, so will take a look this afternoon as I start working on 'setpref' | 13:56 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, thanks | 13:57 |
| jgdx | awe, score | 13:57 |
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| jgdx | Elleo, http://i.imgur.com/LvF4pIo.gifv | 14:34 |
| adit | Hello | 14:34 |
| Elleo | jgdx: interesting, I wonder why I can't trigger it :/ | 14:35 |
| jgdx | Elleo, you probably don't have fat fingers with actual fat on them | 14:35 |
| jgdx | I just ate chicken | 14:35 |
| Elleo | heh | 14:35 |
| jgdx | That's a word I often start with, and ~30% of the time, it's spelled out KAn | 14:36 |
| Elleo | jgdx: ah, I've just managed to hit it once | 14:37 |
| jgdx | what did you eat? | 14:37 |
| Elleo | hehe | 14:37 |
| Elleo | that should become part of the standard bug report template | 14:38 |
| jgdx | lol | 14:38 |
| supercom32 | Newbie question: Is Ubuntu Touch compatible with any of the standard repos for installing software? | 14:38 |
| Elleo | jgdx: think I'm getting the hang of this now, the timing has to be quite precise; it doesn't happen if you're too quick as well as being too slow | 14:39 |
| jgdx | Elleo, now I feel sorry for bringing this up. "Reproduce: timing has to be just right—not too slow, not too quick" | 14:41 |
| jgdx | supercom32, yeah, a bunch! But the system is read only by default, so you can't install any packages. | 14:42 |
| supercom32 | jgdx: does that mean they don't support installing software on your phone? I'm not sure I understand how it works in that case. | 14:42 |
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| supercom32 | jgdx: or do they just not support installing packages in that way? | 14:43 |
| Elleo | supercom32: there's two parts of the system, the read-only system partition (which is where things installed via apt-get would go if you switch to read/write mode) and the read/write user partition, which is where normal phone apps (click packages) get installed | 14:43 |
| Elleo | supercom32: so you can always install apps via the store, but if you want to install things via apt-get (and so potentially cause issues with the image based updates) you need to make the system partition read/write as well | 14:44 |
| supercom32 | elleo: I assume most programs are not made into click packages. Most of them are debs? | 14:45 |
| Elleo | jgdx: marked that bug as confirmed, will see if we can get it scheduled in one of the upcoming sprints | 14:45 |
| jgdx | Elleo, cool, thanks! | 14:45 |
| Elleo | supercom32: well, all apps that are actually designed for the phone are packaged as clicks, but more general linux programs are mostly just debs | 14:45 |
| supercom32 | elleo: For example, if I wanted to install firefox, or java, I'd have to wait for a click package. | 14:45 |
| Elleo | supercom32: yeah, and for any X11 apps you'd also need to wait for xmir support to be included in the images by default | 14:46 |
| jgdx | and quite possibly an arm build | 14:47 |
| Elleo | (there is a PPA that allows you to play around with xmir stuff already, but it's not quite ready for general usage yet) | 14:47 |
| supercom32 | For the newbie, what is xmir supposed to do? Give you an X11 compatibility layer? | 14:47 |
| Elleo | jgdx: firefox and java at least are already in the vivid arm ports | 14:47 |
| jgdx | cool | 14:48 |
| Elleo | supercom32: yep, pretty much | 14:48 |
| supercom32 | Elleo: suppose xmir is already implemented, that still doesn't solve the packaging problem will it? That is, installing debs into the user area and not the system area? | 14:48 |
| Elleo | supercom32: nope, those apps would still need to be repackaged as clicks (or in the near future snaps) | 14:49 |
| Elleo | supercom32: the phone will soon be moving to snappy based packages/images (which are the next evolution of clicks) and there are tools being developed for automatically creating snaps from debs as I understand it | 14:49 |
| supercom32 | elloe: How long do you think until users can expect the same desktop experience on the phone? It sounds like there are two separate systems involved. | 14:51 |
| supercom32 | To be honest, I was hoping to install packages like I normally do on my desktop. Synaptic, apt-get etc, and just have it all work. With the exception of some base packages pre-installed for phone support. | 14:52 |
| supercom32 | Probably I was expecting too much lol. | 14:52 |
| Elleo | supercom32: well, you can do that now; but it's not officially supported (and may cause you issues with updates), so it's available as an option for experimenters/developers already | 14:53 |
| k1l_ | yeah, that is not possible right now. | 14:53 |
| k1l_ | supercom32: and be aware that those programs are not made for touch. | 14:53 |
| supercom32 | k1l_: Right. I assume the user experience will be a little wonky in those cases. | 14:54 |
| Elleo | supercom32: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3PUYoa1c9M <-- shows some of that working from a development perspective (libre office, netflix, etc. running under xmir) | 14:54 |
| supercom32 | Elleo: Ah sweet. | 14:54 |
| Elleo | supercom32: I'm not sure the full timescale until we reach a state where the majority of non-touch apps are available for general users | 14:55 |
| Elleo | supercom32: but Mark did announce that the first commercial device with some level of desktop convergence is likely to launch sometime this summer | 14:56 |
| Elleo | supercom32: so at least some basic stuff might be available then | 14:56 |
| k1l_ | wasnt that more of a "end of this year"? | 14:56 |
| Elleo | supercom32: there were discussions in some of yesterday's UOS sessions about some initial apps to get ported to clicks (I think libre office came up), but I wouldn't expect a lot of old apps to be in a ready state for a little while yet | 14:57 |
| Elleo | k1l_: possibly, I could easily be misremembering | 14:57 |
| Elleo | k1l_: ah yeah, looks like he just said "this year" | 14:58 |
| Elleo | that sounds more plausible | 14:58 |
| k1l_ | yeah. summer would be somewhat early, imho | 14:59 |
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| pete-woods | Wellark_: hey! back from democracy | 16:06 |
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| morphis | rsalveti, ogra_: played a bit yesterday evening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11009869/ | 16:46 |
| ogra_ | neat ! | 16:47 |
| morphis | bluez5 ahead :) | 16:47 |
| rsalveti | morphis: nice | 16:53 |
| morphis | rsalveti: not sure which way you wanted to go but that is one | 16:56 |
| DonkeyHotei | now if only video playback could work on hammerhead | 16:56 |
| ogra_ | DonkeyHotei, fix it ... :) | 16:57 |
| dobey | DonkeyHotei: you fixed all the other things? | 16:58 |
| DonkeyHotei | ogra_: does this shed any light? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10696198/ | 16:58 |
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| simosx | where can I get boot.img for the bq Aquaris? I need to apply it :-/ | 17:21 |
| simosx | found it, per https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/06/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-2-devices-and-images/ | 17:36 |
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| rsalveti | morphis: what did you actually do with that kernel? | 17:51 |
| morphis | rsalveti: CONFIG_BT=n | 17:51 |
| morphis | thansen: then simply followed https://code.google.com/p/aosp-bluez/ | 17:52 |
| rsalveti | morphis: nice, yeah | 17:52 |
| morphis | thansen: sorry, that should have gone to rsalveti :) | 17:52 |
| rsalveti | cool that is also available for flo | 17:52 |
| rsalveti | morphis: we have bluez 5 in a ppa | 17:52 |
| morphis | rsalveti: it's a very simple approach and works pretty well | 17:53 |
| morphis | from what I remember there were only problems with suspend | 17:53 |
| morphis | rsalveti: where is that ppa? | 17:53 |
| rsalveti | looking | 17:53 |
| rsalveti | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions | 17:53 |
| rsalveti | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-v-bluez5 | 17:53 |
| morphis | rsalveti: let me try that later today | 17:57 |
| kalikiana | wxl: are you joining #ubuntu-uos-appdev-2 for http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22452/html5-application-testing/ ? | 17:58 |
| wxl | kalikiana: naw, been idlying. got an lxqt session going on | 17:59 |
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| equa | Hello | 18:22 |
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| DonkeyHotei | rsalveti: does that ppa include the hal? | 19:33 |
| rsalveti | DonkeyHotei: nops | 19:39 |
| rsalveti | just the bluez itself | 19:39 |
| rsalveti | works for nexus 4 as it has a hci driver | 19:39 |
| DonkeyHotei | so the hal would be a separate source pkg? | 19:39 |
| rsalveti | part of the device tarball | 19:54 |
| rsalveti | android | 19:54 |
| DonkeyHotei | rsalveti: i don't follow | 20:03 |
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| DJJeff | ping, dobey | 20:58 |
| dobey | ? | 21:02 |
| DJJeff | you have ubuntu running on the Nexus 5? | 21:04 |
| dobey | yes | 21:04 |
| DJJeff | how is it | 21:04 |
| dobey | it's mostly usable | 21:04 |
| DJJeff | ok I am not in a hurry to use ubuntu on my N5 for daily usage | 21:05 |
| DJJeff | I may give it a test run but thats about it | 21:05 |
| dobey | then use multirom to install and test it, and decide for yourself :) | 21:05 |
| DJJeff | would be handy if someone had a spreedsheet of things that work and dont work | 21:06 |
| dobey | bt/gps/nfc/local video playback don't work | 21:06 |
| DJJeff | thats pretty hardcore list of things not working | 21:06 |
| DJJeff | stable is pretty far off by the looks of it | 21:07 |
| dobey | *shrug* | 21:07 |
| dobey | i've been using it daily as my only phone for a year now | 21:07 |
| DJJeff | it really depends on how you use the phone | 21:08 |
| dobey | but perhamps i'm a bit more of a masochist than most | 21:08 |
| DJJeff | basic usage vs more hardcore things | 21:08 |
| dobey | well obviously i can't use bluetooth or gps on it | 21:08 |
| dobey | not that i wouldn't if they were working, but i've just lived without them | 21:08 |
| DJJeff | makes you harder to track | 21:09 |
| dobey | not really | 21:09 |
| DJJeff | can always use cell towers to give you location info | 21:09 |
| dobey | i guess, if there were code doing that | 21:10 |
| DJJeff | lol | 21:10 |
| DJJeff | 3 or more towers can triangle your location | 21:10 |
| dobey | but a) the gps radio may still be powered on, even though the ubuntu side of things can't use it | 21:10 |
| dobey | and b) if the feds want to track me, they can do it without even me having a phone i'm sure | 21:11 |
| dobey | well, yes, i know how triangulation works | 21:11 |
| dobey | i mean, there is no code on the phone doing triangulation | 21:11 |
| dobey | at least on the ubuntu side, afaik | 21:12 |
| dobey | the binary stuff in the android bits might do something, but afaik we aren't getting that data in the location service | 21:12 |
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