=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === charles_ is now known as charles [04:28] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Massive-Ubuntu-Touch-Update-Coming-to-Phones-and-Tablets-This-Summer-480379.shtml === pw2 is now known as PaulW2U === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:52] Good morning all; happy Roast Leg Of Lamb Day! 😃 [08:57] Poor lamb :) [10:19] Does anyone know if native apps for email and xmpp IM are in development? I just gave ubuntu touch a go on my nexus 4 & found it quite nice to use.. but it just seems like the app ecosystem is too small at this point to be able to switch from android.. [10:20] john96: dekko for email, no to xmpp [10:20] john96: if you go to the store an type in xmpp or email in the search box it should show anything in the works [10:21] davmor2: ok, thanks :) [10:22] HELLO! [10:22] Good morning everyone :) [10:25] morn :3 === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:32] morn' du === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:47] Elleo, hi, have you seen this [1] ? I'm running latest Arale and this is still a huge issue on the danish keyboard. [1] bug 1442365 [12:47] bug 1442365 in ubuntu-keyboard "Auto capitalize allows for many capital letters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1442365 [12:48] jgdx: heya, sounds like a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1448145 which I'm working on at the moment [12:48] Ubuntu bug 1448145 in ubuntu-keyboard "[Ubuntu Phone] The first characters are always in uppercase in webapps" [High,Confirmed] [12:48] jgdx: do you have word suggestions and spell check disabled? and does it only happen in webapps [12:49] jgdx: if so it's that bug, if not then it's something else for me to worry about :P [12:49] Elleo, okay, yeah it might be a duplicate. This is in _all_ apps that allows for text editing that is not passwords, urls and other special types. [12:49] jgdx: QML apps as well as webapps? [12:49] Elleo, yeah, messaging app [12:49] e.g. [12:49] jgdx: then its a different bug [12:50] exact same symptoms though [12:50] jgdx: will try to reproduce as soon as my arale has enough charge to boot [12:50] Elleo, maybe ping me when you have a silo/package in ppa? [12:51] jgdx: well the other bug is due to an oxide bug, so will have a different fix to this one [12:51] jgdx: does it happen with any other language layouts? [12:53] Elleo, oh ok. I can check when my arale is charged. === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:53] jgdx: I can't reproduce it with Danish on my arale [12:54] Elleo, good [12:54] jgdx: well, not great, since I can't fix it without being able to reproduce it :P but at least it suggests it might not be widespread [12:54] Elleo, you said you can't. Hah, sorry :P [12:55] It needs maybe 3-5 tries? [12:55] But I can reproduce always. [12:55] jgdx: when you arale is charged could you double check to verify it definitely happens in QML and not just webapps? [12:55] yeah, I've been typing a bunch of words with fullstops between and haven't hit it yet [12:55] Elleo, yup, but it happens in the messaging app [12:55] you have to type quickly [12:56] yeah, I have been, even hitting keys simultaneously === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:30] cwayne: hey, so I'm getting on a fresh bq device bug #1446766 [13:30] bug 1446766 in Today Scope "BQ device: On first boot, Today scope continually asks for Google account login after I have done so via Settings -> Accounts" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446766 [13:30] cwayne: and even rebooting doesn't fix it (I installed the calendar app, sync it, reboot) [13:31] and I have the OOBE with "skip and setup later" [13:32] didrocks, click skip and setup later [13:32] click/tap [13:33] cwayne: shouldn't it remove the "configure an account" once it's done? (at least, the google one) [13:33] so yeah, dismissing works, but it seems it's not what the user would expect [13:33] didrocks, the google one was handled differently because it needed a bit more explanation, but yeah, I agree we may need to tweak the UX there a bit [13:34] cwayne: maybe we can recycle this bug report for this? I'm happy to update the description [13:35] awe, ping [13:35] didrocks, please do [13:35] cwayne: doing then, thanks! === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader|afk [13:37] jgdx, whatsup? [13:37] awe, do you have time to talk apn? [13:37] sure [13:37] funny, i now get excited when i hear "apn" :-D [13:38] i used to run like hell [13:38] * jgdx dumps a branch on ken's porch and runs [13:38] haha [13:38] fyi, although I haven't started the work for 'SetPref', I've been thinking about it, and will get going on a patch this afternoon hopefully [13:38] awe, when there are no preferred contexts, should settings set one? Isn't that ofono's job? [13:39] jgdx, my thoughts on that are no... [13:39] but uss ain't a service [13:39] uaas [13:39] if there are no preferred contexts, then it should just act as it does today [13:39] ( ie. NM tries APNs round-robin ) [13:40] why is nexus 5 not on the status spreedsheet [13:40] and how come it has not been updated in ages [13:40] awe, I agree, so we don't pick one for the user if there is no preferred [13:41] s/is/are [13:41] however, that's a bit confusing, beucase the UI will have no green check in front of the active one [13:42] but then uss have to pick a preferred one, and that is … hard [13:42] jgdx, correct. NM picks one, as in the first one that works, is used [13:43] jgdx, why wouldn't the UI just show the currently active APN as selected if none are 'Preferred'? [13:43] is that hard to implement? [13:43] maybe [13:44] I suppose we *could* possibly change ofono to mark the context as 'Preferred' when activated [13:44] but I'd need to discuss with abeato when he's back [13:44] hmm, no that wouldn't work [13:44] that would defeat the initial round-robin behavior [13:45] but then we say that no preferred contexts is a good thing in some cases [13:45] and uss shouldn't pick one [13:46] it could just show a green tick besides the active one, but that is quite inconsistent in my mind [13:46] if I uncheck it, what does that mean? [13:47] jgdx, after initial unboxing, or after a new SIM is installed [13:48] having no preferred is a good thing [13:48] right [13:48] it lets the system try to auto-detect which APN to use if multiple inet APNs exist for the SIM [13:48] a user may then come along to uss [13:48] and say "use this one" [13:48] at that point we set pref [13:48] and that restricts nm to only use that apn from then on [13:49] even if it's broken/not working [13:49] otherwise we get the current unpredictable behavior [13:49] when a user tries to select a different apn [13:50] jgdx, can you point me at a silo or PPA so I can play around with the UI? [13:50] a lot has happened since our white-board re-design session [13:50] awe, phablet-team ppa, but you need to upgrade libqofono [13:50] is that in the ppa too? [13:50] no [13:51] where can i get it? [13:51] or could we push to the ppa too? [13:51] awe, hm, seems it landed in vivid [13:52] in vivid, or in -updates or -security? [13:52] do you have a version # for me? [13:52] to sec [13:52] two [13:54] awe, still in a silo, ubuntu/landing-029 [13:54] looking for 0.70-0ubuntu3 [13:56] awe, jgdx: it is in the ppa [13:56] jgdx, ok. we have net/telephony meeting in ~5m, then I will take a look this afternoon [13:56] kenvandine, libqofono? [13:56] i copied it from the silo last week [13:56] yes [13:56] cool [13:56] jgdx, I'll be on the uss hangout tomorrow too, so will take a look this afternoon as I start working on 'setpref' [13:57] kenvandine, thanks [13:57] awe, score === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:34] Elleo, http://i.imgur.com/LvF4pIo.gifv [14:34] Hello [14:35] jgdx: interesting, I wonder why I can't trigger it :/ [14:35] Elleo, you probably don't have fat fingers with actual fat on them [14:35] I just ate chicken [14:35] heh [14:36] That's a word I often start with, and ~30% of the time, it's spelled out KAn [14:37] jgdx: ah, I've just managed to hit it once [14:37] what did you eat? [14:37] hehe [14:38] that should become part of the standard bug report template [14:38] lol [14:38] Newbie question: Is Ubuntu Touch compatible with any of the standard repos for installing software? [14:39] jgdx: think I'm getting the hang of this now, the timing has to be quite precise; it doesn't happen if you're too quick as well as being too slow [14:41] Elleo, now I feel sorry for bringing this up. "Reproduce: timing has to be just right—not too slow, not too quick" [14:42] supercom32, yeah, a bunch! But the system is read only by default, so you can't install any packages. [14:42] jgdx: does that mean they don't support installing software on your phone? I'm not sure I understand how it works in that case. === TaLu is now known as Talustus [14:43] jgdx: or do they just not support installing packages in that way? [14:43] supercom32: there's two parts of the system, the read-only system partition (which is where things installed via apt-get would go if you switch to read/write mode) and the read/write user partition, which is where normal phone apps (click packages) get installed [14:44] supercom32: so you can always install apps via the store, but if you want to install things via apt-get (and so potentially cause issues with the image based updates) you need to make the system partition read/write as well [14:45] elleo: I assume most programs are not made into click packages. Most of them are debs? [14:45] jgdx: marked that bug as confirmed, will see if we can get it scheduled in one of the upcoming sprints [14:45] Elleo, cool, thanks! [14:45] supercom32: well, all apps that are actually designed for the phone are packaged as clicks, but more general linux programs are mostly just debs [14:45] elleo: For example, if I wanted to install firefox, or java, I'd have to wait for a click package. [14:46] supercom32: yeah, and for any X11 apps you'd also need to wait for xmir support to be included in the images by default [14:47] and quite possibly an arm build [14:47] (there is a PPA that allows you to play around with xmir stuff already, but it's not quite ready for general usage yet) [14:47] For the newbie, what is xmir supposed to do? Give you an X11 compatibility layer? [14:47] jgdx: firefox and java at least are already in the vivid arm ports [14:48] cool [14:48] supercom32: yep, pretty much [14:48] Elleo: suppose xmir is already implemented, that still doesn't solve the packaging problem will it? That is, installing debs into the user area and not the system area? [14:49] supercom32: nope, those apps would still need to be repackaged as clicks (or in the near future snaps) [14:49] supercom32: the phone will soon be moving to snappy based packages/images (which are the next evolution of clicks) and there are tools being developed for automatically creating snaps from debs as I understand it [14:51] elloe: How long do you think until users can expect the same desktop experience on the phone? It sounds like there are two separate systems involved. [14:52] To be honest, I was hoping to install packages like I normally do on my desktop. Synaptic, apt-get etc, and just have it all work. With the exception of some base packages pre-installed for phone support. [14:52] Probably I was expecting too much lol. [14:53] supercom32: well, you can do that now; but it's not officially supported (and may cause you issues with updates), so it's available as an option for experimenters/developers already [14:53] yeah, that is not possible right now. [14:53] supercom32: and be aware that those programs are not made for touch. [14:54] k1l_: Right. I assume the user experience will be a little wonky in those cases. [14:54] supercom32: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3PUYoa1c9M <-- shows some of that working from a development perspective (libre office, netflix, etc. running under xmir) [14:54] Elleo: Ah sweet. [14:55] supercom32: I'm not sure the full timescale until we reach a state where the majority of non-touch apps are available for general users [14:56] supercom32: but Mark did announce that the first commercial device with some level of desktop convergence is likely to launch sometime this summer [14:56] supercom32: so at least some basic stuff might be available then [14:56] wasnt that more of a "end of this year"? [14:57] supercom32: there were discussions in some of yesterday's UOS sessions about some initial apps to get ported to clicks (I think libre office came up), but I wouldn't expect a lot of old apps to be in a ready state for a little while yet [14:57] k1l_: possibly, I could easily be misremembering [14:58] k1l_: ah yeah, looks like he just said "this year" [14:58] that sounds more plausible [14:59] yeah. summer would be somewhat early, imho === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [16:06] Wellark_: hey! back from democracy === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [16:46] rsalveti, ogra_: played a bit yesterday evening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11009869/ [16:47] neat ! [16:47] bluez5 ahead :) [16:53] morphis: nice [16:56] rsalveti: not sure which way you wanted to go but that is one [16:56] now if only video playback could work on hammerhead [16:57] DonkeyHotei, fix it ... :) [16:58] DonkeyHotei: you fixed all the other things? [16:58] ogra_: does this shed any light? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10696198/ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:21] where can I get boot.img for the bq Aquaris? I need to apply it :-/ [17:36] found it, per https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/06/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-2-devices-and-images/ === dandrader|lunch is now known as dandrader [17:51] morphis: what did you actually do with that kernel? [17:51] rsalveti: CONFIG_BT=n [17:52] thansen: then simply followed https://code.google.com/p/aosp-bluez/ [17:52] morphis: nice, yeah [17:52] thansen: sorry, that should have gone to rsalveti :) [17:52] cool that is also available for flo [17:52] morphis: we have bluez 5 in a ppa [17:53] rsalveti: it's a very simple approach and works pretty well [17:53] from what I remember there were only problems with suspend [17:53] rsalveti: where is that ppa? [17:53] looking [17:53] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions [17:53] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-v-bluez5 [17:57] rsalveti: let me try that later today [17:58] wxl: are you joining #ubuntu-uos-appdev-2 for http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22452/html5-application-testing/ ? [17:59] kalikiana: naw, been idlying. got an lxqt session going on === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [18:22] Hello === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:33] rsalveti: does that ppa include the hal? [19:39] DonkeyHotei: nops [19:39] just the bluez itself [19:39] works for nexus 4 as it has a hci driver [19:39] so the hal would be a separate source pkg? [19:54] part of the device tarball [19:54] android [20:03] rsalveti: i don't follow === aaron__ is now known as ahoneyun === ahoneyun is now known as ahoneybun === salem_ is now known as _salem [20:58] ping, dobey [21:02] ? [21:04] you have ubuntu running on the Nexus 5? [21:04] yes [21:04] how is it [21:04] it's mostly usable [21:05] ok I am not in a hurry to use ubuntu on my N5 for daily usage [21:05] I may give it a test run but thats about it [21:05] then use multirom to install and test it, and decide for yourself :) [21:06] would be handy if someone had a spreedsheet of things that work and dont work [21:06] bt/gps/nfc/local video playback don't work [21:06] thats pretty hardcore list of things not working [21:07] stable is pretty far off by the looks of it [21:07] *shrug* [21:07] i've been using it daily as my only phone for a year now [21:08] it really depends on how you use the phone [21:08] but perhamps i'm a bit more of a masochist than most [21:08] basic usage vs more hardcore things [21:08] well obviously i can't use bluetooth or gps on it [21:08] not that i wouldn't if they were working, but i've just lived without them [21:09] makes you harder to track [21:09] not really [21:09] can always use cell towers to give you location info [21:10] i guess, if there were code doing that [21:10] lol [21:10] 3 or more towers can triangle your location [21:10] but a) the gps radio may still be powered on, even though the ubuntu side of things can't use it [21:11] and b) if the feds want to track me, they can do it without even me having a phone i'm sure [21:11] well, yes, i know how triangulation works [21:11] i mean, there is no code on the phone doing triangulation [21:12] at least on the ubuntu side, afaik [21:12] the binary stuff in the android bits might do something, but afaik we aren't getting that data in the location service === aaron__ is now known as ahoneyun === ahoneyun is now known as ahoneybun === _salem is now known as salem_ === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun === salem_ is now known as _salem === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun