[04:28] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Massive-Ubuntu-Touch-Update-Coming-to-Phones-and-Tablets-This-Summer-480379.shtml
[08:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Roast Leg Of Lamb Day! 😃
[08:57] <PhilippeP> Poor lamb  :)
[10:19] <john96> Does anyone know if native apps for email and xmpp IM are in development? I just gave ubuntu touch a go on my nexus 4 & found it quite nice to use.. but it just seems like the app ecosystem is too small at this point to be able to switch from android..
[10:20] <davmor2> john96: dekko for email, no to xmpp
[10:20] <davmor2> john96: if you go to the store an type in xmpp or email in the search box it should show anything in the works
[10:21] <john96> davmor2: ok, thanks :)
[10:22] <brunch875> HELLO!
[10:22] <brunch875> Good morning everyone :)
[10:25] <ChloeWolfieGirl> morn :3
[11:32] <jgdx> morn' du
[12:47] <jgdx> Elleo, hi, have you seen this [1] ? I'm running latest Arale and this is still a huge issue on the danish keyboard. [1] bug 1442365
[12:48] <Elleo> jgdx: heya, sounds like a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1448145 which I'm working on at the moment
[12:48] <Elleo> jgdx: do you have word suggestions and spell check disabled? and does it only happen in webapps
[12:49] <Elleo> jgdx: if so it's that bug, if not then it's something else for me to worry about :P
[12:49] <jgdx> Elleo, okay, yeah it might be a duplicate. This is in _all_ apps that allows for text editing that is not passwords, urls and other special types.
[12:49] <Elleo> jgdx: QML apps as well as webapps?
[12:49] <jgdx> Elleo, yeah, messaging app
[12:49] <jgdx> e.g.
[12:49] <Elleo> jgdx: then its a different bug
[12:50] <jgdx> exact same symptoms though
[12:50] <Elleo> jgdx: will try to reproduce as soon as my arale has enough charge to boot
[12:50] <jgdx> Elleo, maybe ping me when you have a silo/package in ppa?
[12:51] <Elleo> jgdx: well the other bug is due to an oxide bug, so will have a different fix to this one
[12:51] <Elleo> jgdx: does it happen with any other language layouts?
[12:53] <jgdx> Elleo, oh ok. I can check when my arale is charged.
[12:53] <Elleo> jgdx: I can't reproduce it with Danish on my arale
[12:54] <jgdx> Elleo, good
[12:54] <Elleo> jgdx: well, not great, since I can't fix it without being able to reproduce it :P but at least it suggests it might not be widespread
[12:54] <jgdx> Elleo, you said you can't. Hah, sorry :P
[12:55] <jgdx> It needs maybe 3-5 tries?
[12:55] <jgdx> But I can reproduce always.
[12:55] <Elleo> jgdx: when you arale is charged could you double check to verify it definitely happens in QML and not just webapps?
[12:55] <Elleo> yeah, I've been typing a bunch of words with fullstops between and haven't hit it yet
[12:55] <jgdx> Elleo, yup, but it happens in the messaging app
[12:55] <jgdx> you have to type quickly
[12:56] <Elleo> yeah, I have been, even hitting keys simultaneously
[13:30] <didrocks> cwayne: hey, so I'm getting on a fresh bq device bug #1446766
[13:30] <didrocks> cwayne: and even rebooting doesn't fix it (I installed the calendar app, sync it, reboot)
[13:31] <didrocks> and I have the OOBE with "skip and setup later"
[13:32] <cwayne> didrocks, click skip and setup later
[13:32] <cwayne> click/tap
[13:33] <didrocks> cwayne: shouldn't it remove the "configure an account" once it's done? (at least, the google one)
[13:33] <didrocks> so yeah, dismissing works, but it seems it's not what the user would expect
[13:33] <cwayne> didrocks, the google one was handled differently because it needed a bit more explanation, but yeah, I agree we may need to tweak the UX there a bit
[13:34] <didrocks> cwayne: maybe we can recycle this bug report for this? I'm happy to update the description
[13:35] <jgdx> awe, ping
[13:35] <cwayne> didrocks, please do
[13:35] <didrocks> cwayne: doing then, thanks!
[13:37] <awe> jgdx, whatsup?
[13:37] <jgdx> awe, do you have time to talk apn?
[13:37] <awe> sure
[13:37] <kenvandine> funny, i now get excited when i hear "apn" :-D
[13:38] <kenvandine> i used to run like hell
[13:38]  * jgdx dumps a branch on ken's porch and runs
[13:38] <kenvandine> haha
[13:38] <awe> fyi, although I haven't started the work for 'SetPref', I've been thinking about it, and will get going on a patch this afternoon hopefully
[13:38] <jgdx> awe, when there are no preferred contexts, should settings set one? Isn't that ofono's job?
[13:39] <awe> jgdx, my thoughts on that are no...
[13:39] <jgdx> but uss ain't a service
[13:39] <jgdx> uaas
[13:39] <awe> if there are no preferred contexts, then it should just act as it does today
[13:39] <awe> ( ie. NM tries APNs round-robin )
[13:40] <DJJeff> why is nexus 5 not on the status spreedsheet
[13:40] <DJJeff> and how come it has not been updated in ages
[13:40] <jgdx> awe, I agree, so we don't pick one for the user if there is no preferred
[13:41] <jgdx> s/is/are
[13:41] <jgdx> however, that's a bit confusing, beucase the UI will have no green check in front of the active one
[13:42] <jgdx> but then uss have to pick a preferred one, and that is … hard
[13:42] <awe> jgdx, correct.  NM picks one, as in the first one that works, is used
[13:43] <awe> jgdx, why wouldn't the UI just show the currently active APN as selected if none are 'Preferred'?
[13:43] <awe> is that hard to implement?
[13:43] <jgdx> maybe
[13:44] <awe> I suppose we *could* possibly change ofono to mark the context as 'Preferred' when activated
[13:44] <awe> but I'd need to discuss with abeato when he's back
[13:44] <awe> hmm, no that wouldn't work
[13:44] <awe> that would defeat the initial round-robin behavior
[13:45] <jgdx> but then we say that no preferred contexts is a good thing in some cases
[13:45] <jgdx> and uss shouldn't pick one
[13:46] <jgdx> it could just show a green tick besides the active one, but that is quite inconsistent in my mind
[13:46] <jgdx> if I uncheck it, what does that mean?
[13:47] <awe> jgdx, after initial unboxing, or after a new SIM is installed
[13:48] <awe> having no preferred is a good thing
[13:48] <jgdx> right
[13:48] <awe> it lets the system try to auto-detect which APN to use if multiple inet APNs exist for the SIM
[13:48] <awe> a user may then come along to uss
[13:48] <awe> and say "use this one"
[13:48] <awe> at that point we set pref
[13:48] <awe> and that restricts nm to only use that apn from then on
[13:49] <awe> even if it's broken/not working
[13:49] <awe> otherwise we get the current unpredictable behavior
[13:49] <awe> when a user tries to select a different apn
[13:50] <awe> jgdx, can you point me at a silo or PPA so I can play around with the UI?
[13:50] <awe> a lot has happened since our white-board re-design session
[13:50] <jgdx> awe, phablet-team ppa, but you need to upgrade libqofono
[13:50] <awe> is that in the ppa too?
[13:50] <jgdx> no
[13:51] <awe> where can i get it?
[13:51] <awe> or could we push to the ppa too?
[13:51] <jgdx> awe, hm, seems it landed in vivid
[13:52] <awe> in vivid, or in -updates or -security?
[13:52] <awe> do you have a version # for me?
[13:52] <jgdx> to sec
[13:52] <jgdx> two
[13:54] <jgdx> awe, still in a silo, ubuntu/landing-029
[13:54] <jgdx> looking for 0.70-0ubuntu3
[13:56] <kenvandine> awe, jgdx: it is in the ppa
[13:56] <awe> jgdx, ok.  we have net/telephony meeting in ~5m, then I will take a look this afternoon
[13:56] <awe> kenvandine, libqofono?
[13:56] <kenvandine> i copied it from the silo last week
[13:56] <kenvandine> yes
[13:56] <awe> cool
[13:56] <awe> jgdx, I'll be on the uss hangout tomorrow too, so will take a look this afternoon as I start working on 'setpref'
[13:57] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[13:57] <jgdx> awe, score
[14:34] <jgdx> Elleo, http://i.imgur.com/LvF4pIo.gifv
[14:34] <adit> Hello
[14:35] <Elleo> jgdx: interesting, I wonder why I can't trigger it :/
[14:35] <jgdx> Elleo, you probably don't have fat fingers with actual fat on them
[14:35] <jgdx> I just ate chicken
[14:35] <Elleo> heh
[14:36] <jgdx> That's a word I often start with, and ~30% of the time, it's spelled out KAn
[14:37] <Elleo> jgdx: ah, I've just managed to hit it once
[14:37] <jgdx> what did you eat?
[14:37] <Elleo> hehe
[14:38] <Elleo> that should become part of the standard bug report template
[14:38] <jgdx> lol
[14:38] <supercom32> Newbie question: Is Ubuntu Touch compatible with any of the standard repos for installing software?
[14:39] <Elleo> jgdx: think I'm getting the hang of this now, the timing has to be quite precise; it doesn't happen if you're too quick as well as being too slow
[14:41] <jgdx> Elleo, now I feel sorry for bringing this up. "Reproduce: timing has to be just right—not too slow, not too quick"
[14:42] <jgdx> supercom32, yeah, a bunch! But the system is read only by default, so you can't install any packages.
[14:42] <supercom32> jgdx: does that mean they don't support installing software on your phone? I'm not sure I understand how it works in that case.
[14:43] <supercom32> jgdx: or do they just not support installing packages in that way?
[14:43] <Elleo> supercom32: there's two parts of the system, the read-only system partition (which is where things installed via apt-get would go if you switch to read/write mode) and the read/write user partition, which is where normal phone apps (click packages) get installed
[14:44] <Elleo> supercom32: so you can always install apps via the store, but if you want to install things via apt-get (and so potentially cause issues with the image based updates) you need to make the system partition read/write as well
[14:45] <supercom32> elleo: I assume most programs are not made into click packages. Most of them are debs?
[14:45] <Elleo> jgdx: marked that bug as confirmed, will see if we can get it scheduled in one of the upcoming sprints
[14:45] <jgdx> Elleo, cool, thanks!
[14:45] <Elleo> supercom32: well, all apps that are actually designed for the phone are packaged as clicks, but more general linux programs are mostly just debs
[14:45] <supercom32> elleo: For example, if I wanted to install firefox, or java, I'd have to wait for a click package.
[14:46] <Elleo> supercom32: yeah, and for any X11 apps you'd also need to wait for xmir support to be included in the images by default
[14:47] <jgdx> and quite possibly an arm build
[14:47] <Elleo> (there is a PPA that allows you to play around with xmir stuff already, but it's not quite ready for general usage yet)
[14:47] <supercom32> For the newbie, what is xmir supposed to do? Give you an X11 compatibility layer?
[14:47] <Elleo> jgdx: firefox and java at least are already in the vivid arm ports
[14:48] <jgdx> cool
[14:48] <Elleo> supercom32: yep, pretty much
[14:48] <supercom32> Elleo: suppose xmir is already implemented, that still doesn't solve the packaging problem will it? That is, installing debs into the user area and not the system area?
[14:49] <Elleo> supercom32: nope, those apps would still need to be repackaged as clicks (or in the near future snaps)
[14:49] <Elleo> supercom32: the phone will soon be moving to snappy based packages/images (which are the next evolution of clicks) and there are tools being developed for automatically creating snaps from debs as I understand it
[14:51] <supercom32> elloe: How long do you think until users can expect the same desktop experience on the phone? It sounds like there are two separate systems involved.
[14:52] <supercom32> To be honest, I was hoping to install packages like I normally do on my desktop. Synaptic, apt-get etc, and just have it all work. With the exception of some base packages pre-installed for phone support.
[14:52] <supercom32> Probably I was expecting too much lol.
[14:53] <Elleo> supercom32: well, you can do that now; but it's not officially supported (and may cause you issues with updates), so it's available as an option for experimenters/developers already
[14:53] <k1l_> yeah, that is not possible right now.
[14:53] <k1l_> supercom32: and be aware that those programs are not made for touch.
[14:54] <supercom32> k1l_: Right. I assume the user experience will be a little wonky in those cases.
[14:54] <Elleo> supercom32: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3PUYoa1c9M <-- shows some of that working from a development perspective (libre office, netflix, etc. running under xmir)
[14:54] <supercom32> Elleo: Ah sweet.
[14:55] <Elleo> supercom32: I'm not sure the full timescale until we reach a state where the majority of non-touch apps are available for general users
[14:56] <Elleo> supercom32: but Mark did announce that the first commercial device with some level of desktop convergence is likely to launch sometime this summer
[14:56] <Elleo> supercom32: so at least some basic stuff might be available then
[14:56] <k1l_> wasnt that more of a "end of this year"?
[14:57] <Elleo> supercom32: there were discussions in some of yesterday's UOS sessions about some initial apps to get ported to clicks (I think libre office came up), but I wouldn't expect a lot of old apps to be in a ready state for a little while yet
[14:57] <Elleo> k1l_: possibly, I could easily be misremembering
[14:58] <Elleo> k1l_: ah yeah, looks like he just said "this year"
[14:58] <Elleo> that sounds more plausible
[14:59] <k1l_> yeah. summer would be somewhat early, imho
[16:06] <pete-woods> Wellark_: hey! back from democracy
[16:46] <morphis> rsalveti, ogra_: played a bit yesterday evening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11009869/
[16:47] <ogra_> neat !
[16:47] <morphis> bluez5 ahead :)
[16:53] <rsalveti> morphis: nice
[16:56] <morphis> rsalveti: not sure which way you wanted to go but that is one
[16:56] <DonkeyHotei> now if only video playback could work on hammerhead
[16:57] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, fix it ... :)
[16:58] <dobey> DonkeyHotei: you fixed all the other things?
[16:58] <DonkeyHotei> ogra_: does this shed any light? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10696198/
[17:21] <simosx> where can I get boot.img for the bq Aquaris? I need to apply it :-/
[17:36] <simosx> found it, per https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/06/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-2-devices-and-images/
[17:51] <rsalveti> morphis: what did you actually do with that kernel?
[17:51] <morphis> rsalveti: CONFIG_BT=n
[17:52] <morphis> thansen: then simply followed https://code.google.com/p/aosp-bluez/
[17:52] <rsalveti> morphis: nice, yeah
[17:52] <morphis> thansen: sorry, that should have gone to rsalveti  :)
[17:52] <rsalveti> cool that is also available for flo
[17:52] <rsalveti> morphis: we have bluez 5 in a ppa
[17:53] <morphis> rsalveti: it's a very simple approach and works pretty well
[17:53] <morphis> from what I remember there were only problems with suspend
[17:53] <morphis> rsalveti: where is that ppa?
[17:53] <rsalveti> looking
[17:53] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/transitions
[17:53] <rsalveti> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-v-bluez5
[17:57] <morphis> rsalveti: let me try that later today
[17:58] <kalikiana> wxl: are you joining #ubuntu-uos-appdev-2 for http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22452/html5-application-testing/ ?
[17:59] <wxl> kalikiana: naw, been idlying. got an lxqt session going on
[18:22] <equa> Hello
[19:33] <DonkeyHotei> rsalveti: does that ppa include the hal?
[19:39] <rsalveti> DonkeyHotei: nops
[19:39] <rsalveti> just the bluez itself
[19:39] <rsalveti> works for nexus 4 as it has a hci driver
[19:39] <DonkeyHotei> so the hal would be a separate source pkg?
[19:54] <rsalveti> part of the device tarball
[19:54] <rsalveti> android
[20:03] <DonkeyHotei> rsalveti: i don't follow
[20:58] <DJJeff> ping, dobey
[21:02] <dobey> ?
[21:04] <DJJeff> you have ubuntu running on the Nexus 5?
[21:04] <dobey> yes
[21:04] <DJJeff> how is it
[21:04] <dobey> it's mostly usable
[21:05] <DJJeff> ok I am not in a hurry to use ubuntu on my N5 for daily usage
[21:05] <DJJeff> I may give it a test run but thats about it
[21:05] <dobey> then use multirom to install and test it, and decide for yourself :)
[21:06] <DJJeff> would be handy if someone had a spreedsheet of things that work and dont work
[21:06] <dobey> bt/gps/nfc/local video playback don't work
[21:06] <DJJeff> thats pretty hardcore list of things not working
[21:07] <DJJeff> stable is pretty far off by the looks of it
[21:07] <dobey> *shrug*
[21:07] <dobey> i've been using it daily as my only phone for a year now
[21:08] <DJJeff> it really depends on how you use the phone
[21:08] <dobey> but perhamps i'm a bit more of a masochist than most
[21:08] <DJJeff> basic usage vs more hardcore things
[21:08] <dobey> well obviously i can't use bluetooth or gps on it
[21:08] <dobey> not that i wouldn't if they were working, but i've just lived without them
[21:09] <DJJeff> makes you harder to track
[21:09] <dobey> not really
[21:09] <DJJeff> can always use cell towers to give you location info
[21:10] <dobey> i guess, if there were code doing that
[21:10] <DJJeff> lol
[21:10] <DJJeff> 3 or more towers can triangle your location
[21:10] <dobey> but a) the gps radio may still be powered on, even though the ubuntu side of things can't use it
[21:11] <dobey> and b) if the feds want to track me, they can do it without even me having a phone i'm sure
[21:11] <dobey> well, yes, i know how triangulation works
[21:11] <dobey> i mean, there is no code on the phone doing triangulation
[21:12] <dobey> at least on the ubuntu side, afaik
[21:12] <dobey> the binary stuff in the android bits might do something, but afaik we aren't getting that data in the location service