[02:59] Well, to my not inconsiderable surprise, it looks like the goal is to actually ship a phone that gives a desktop experience later this year. [03:07] so the whole ubuntu-touch experience is being scrapped? [03:21] Considering this has been the goal of the entire Ubuntu touch experience, no. [03:23] the ubuntu-touch ui is very much a departure from a desktop [03:23] ffs it can't even support an irc client [03:56] The Unity 8 phone interface is always going to be a departure from a desktop interface, because that's sort of important. [03:58] you mentioned "a phone that gives a desktop experience" though [03:58] Yes, a phone shipping later this year will do that. [03:59] so, without unity8? [03:59] With Unity 8. [04:00] "The Unity 8 phone interface is always going to be a departure from a desktop" [04:01] It us. [04:01] It is. [04:01] i am completely confused now [04:02] If you have a large monitor and a mouse and keyboard, Unity 8 provides a desktop interface. [04:02] And if you have a tiny touchscreen with no other input, it doesn't. It gives a more appropriate phone interface. [04:03] And with a mediumish touch screen it gives a tablet interface. [04:03] many phones now have higher resolutions than large monitors [04:03] And yet a desktop interface isn't appropriate and so Unity 8 doesn't provide one on a phone. [04:05] so the desktop experience will be when you plug in a mouse? [04:05] And a large monitor. [04:05] And a keyboard. [04:19] There's some kind of manual override, but that's the default. [04:20] i haven't found it [04:21] It doesn't exist yet, although there's a gconf setting or something.