[02:59] <nhaines> Well, to my not inconsiderable surprise, it looks like the goal is to actually ship a phone that gives a desktop experience later this year.
[03:07] <DonkeyHotei> so the whole ubuntu-touch experience is being scrapped?
[03:21] <nhaines> Considering this has been the goal of the entire Ubuntu touch experience, no.
[03:23] <DonkeyHotei> the ubuntu-touch ui is very much a departure from a desktop
[03:23] <DonkeyHotei> ffs it can't even support an irc client
[03:56] <nhaines> The Unity 8 phone interface is always going to be a departure from a desktop interface, because that's sort of important.
[03:58] <DonkeyHotei> you mentioned "a phone that gives a desktop experience" though
[03:58] <nhaines> Yes, a phone shipping later this year will do that.
[03:59] <DonkeyHotei> so, without unity8?
[03:59] <nhaines> With Unity 8.
[04:00] <DonkeyHotei> "The Unity 8 phone interface is always going to be a departure from a desktop"
[04:01] <nhaines> It us.
[04:01] <nhaines> It is.
[04:01] <DonkeyHotei> i am completely confused now
[04:02] <nhaines> If you have a large monitor and a mouse and keyboard, Unity 8 provides a desktop interface.
[04:02] <nhaines> And if you have a tiny touchscreen with no other input, it doesn't.  It gives a more appropriate phone interface.
[04:03] <nhaines> And with a mediumish touch screen it gives a tablet interface.
[04:03] <DonkeyHotei> many phones now have higher resolutions than large monitors
[04:03] <nhaines> And yet a desktop interface isn't appropriate and so Unity 8 doesn't provide one on a phone.
[04:05] <DonkeyHotei> so the desktop experience will be when you plug in a mouse?
[04:05] <nhaines> And a large monitor.
[04:05] <nhaines> And a keyboard.
[04:19] <nhaines> There's some kind of manual override, but that's the default.
[04:20] <DonkeyHotei> i haven't found it
[04:21] <nhaines> It doesn't exist yet, although there's a gconf setting or something.