[05:22] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[05:23] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[05:23]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[05:34] <Kilos> hi barrydk  aquarat  and all others
[05:34]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[05:35] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry  
[05:35] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz: Kettle on please
[05:35] <Maaz> Jacques_Stry: Excuse me?
[05:35] <Jacques_Stry> ...
[05:35] <Kilos> lol
[05:35] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[05:35]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[05:35] <Jacques_Stry> >.<
[05:35] <Jacques_Stry> Maaz: with milk
[05:35] <Maaz> Haha Jacques_Stry You aren't one of those that needs to drink black coffee to be able to cast a shadow!
[05:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:39] <Kilos> Maaz  danke
[05:39] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[05:54] <pieter2627> morning all
[05:55] <Kilos> hi  pieter2627  hoe gaan dit
[05:55] <pieter2627> goed dankie, en met oom?
[05:56] <Kilos> net kopseer vandag weer maar anders goed dankie
[06:03] <Kilos> hi Xethron  
[06:31] <Padroni> morning
[06:31] <Kilos> hi Padroni  
[06:31] <Padroni> how you?
[06:32] <Padroni> had some serious internet issues all week
[06:32] <Padroni> drove me nuts
[06:32] <Kilos> more nuts than you already are?
[06:32] <Padroni>  amazingly enough, yes
[06:32] <Kilos> headache day looks like. how are you?
[06:33] <Padroni> no double shifts this week
[06:33] <Padroni> almost starting to feel like a normal worker drone again
[06:33] <Kilos> lol
[06:34] <magespawn> good morning
[06:34] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[06:35] <Padroni> ugh
[06:35] <magespawn> power back at last Kilos ?
[06:35] <Symmetria> heh
[06:35] <Padroni> just found another government tender scam
[06:35] <Symmetria> internet issues make me itch 
[06:35] <Padroni> I'm out for a while
[06:35] <Symmetria> thankfully I have very few of them
[06:35] <Padroni> gotta stop this 
[06:35] <magespawn> i thought all govenment tenders were scams
[06:36] <Symmetria> magespawn they are all scams unless you're Malema or Zuma, in which case they are just good business
[06:36] <Kilos> yeah was about 6 hours one day then 3 the next now we have undergroung cables
[06:49] <magespawn> Kilos, hopefully your power will be more stable now
[06:49] <qwebirc28930> Good morning. any ideo how to choose between different dhcp servers on a single LAN?
[06:49] <Kilos> yes i think so ty magespawn  
[06:50] <magespawn> hi qwebirc28930, each dhcp server will control a the entire lan or subnet if i recall correctly
[06:50] <Kilos> hi qwebirc28930  just hang here a while, guys still settling in at work
[06:51] <magespawn> so i think there should only be one server per subnet or lan
[06:52] <Jacques_Stry> think so too
[06:52] <Jacques_Stry> else you will have to split the lan into segments with different subnets
[06:53] <qwebirc28930> keyword being should. To me it makes sense to have one server per network, but I am not being assigned the same address as friends of mine on the same network
[06:53] <magespawn> i have a set up where one router gets its wan address from another, but that is then effect two different lans
[06:53] <magespawn> qwebirc28930, what address are you getting?
[06:54] <Kilos> qwebirc28930  welcome to ubuntu-za where are you?
[06:54] <qwebirc28930> 10.0.0.161 
[06:54] <magespawn> and the others?
[06:54] <qwebirc28930> University of Pretoria 
[06:55] <Kilos> cool
[06:55] <qwebirc28930> they get 137.215.xxx.xxx
[06:56] <magespawn> and you are definately on the same network?
[06:56] <qwebirc28930> yes, checked it using the exact same cable
[06:58] <magespawn> what is your ip address set to dynamic or static?
[06:59] <qwebirc28930> dynamic
[07:01] <magespawn> qwebirc28930, are you on ubuntu?
[07:01] <qwebirc28930> yes, 14.04
[07:03] <magespawn> let me just check something quickly
[07:03] <magespawn> brb
[07:16] <superfly> qwebirc28930: in some cases you'll use different subnets, but from 10.x.x.x to 137.x.x.x is just crazy. 
[07:16] <superfly> Also, isn't 137.x.x.x a public ip range? 
[07:18] <magespawn> so maybe the others are on the wrong network and qwebirc28930 is on the correct one?
[07:19] <qwebirc28930> but they have access to all the resources of the university while I dont
[07:20] <Kilos> ai!
[07:21] <MaNI> you could try force a renewal a few times and see if it changes
[07:23] <qwebirc28930> how would I go about doing that?
[07:24] <MaNI> sudo dhclient -r
[07:24] <MaNI> sudo dhclient eth0
[07:24] <MaNI> (or whatever interface it is)
[07:25] <MaNI> it looks possibly like dhclient -s <ip> can force what server it uses but I'm not sure I've never tried such a thing
[07:25] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:25] <MaNI> I suspect there is some way to have dhclient specifically ask for one subnet or the other - but I don't know how
[07:27] <MaNI> this isn't just a case of UP purposefully dishing out one set of ips to visitors and another to internal users is it? If it is they may have to actually add you to the list of allowed mac addresses before you are recognised and allowed in
[07:29] <magespawn> qwebirc28930 you can also statically configure your ip, but that means you will have to guess the settings
[07:29] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[07:34] <stickyboy> Wassup wassup
[07:34] <magespawn> looks like Kilos is still having problems
[07:34] <stickyboy> Typical, Kilos is scared of me.
[07:34] <magespawn> hi stickyboy 
[07:41] <stickyboy> magespawn: Morning
[07:43] <qwebirc28930> dhxpthe dhcp server is sending me DHCPNAK... off to IT helpdesk I suppose. thanks for all the help guys 
[07:54] <Symmetria> mmmm
[07:55] <Symmetria> I tried to reinstall my one linux box yesterday and for some bizarro reason, the entire install runs through fine, but the box refuses to boot off the drive
[07:56] <stickyboy> Symmetria: :(
[07:56] <stickyboy> Go drink a beer.
[08:25] <Squirm> Hey all
[08:25] <Squirm> superfly: what would this command do?
[08:25] <Squirm> abs(hash('')) % (10 ** 3)
[08:25] <Squirm> in python
[08:26] <Squirm> Or anyone else that knows python
[08:27] <MaNI> 10 ** 3 - 10 to the power of 3
[08:28] <MaNI> % is modulus - so its dividing the absolute value of the hash by 10^3 and taking the remainder
[08:29] <MaNI> I don't know what the hash function does when its passed an empty value though
[08:37] <MaNI> hash('') seems to just return 0 always, making the whole thing a bit useless
[08:41] <Squirm> MaNI: I get 0
[08:41] <Squirm> All the time
[08:42] <MaNI> well yeah
[08:42] <MaNI> hash('') is 0
[08:42] <MaNI> abs(0) is 0
[08:42] <MaNI> 0 % anything is 0
[08:42] <MaNI> so you will just get 0 unless you change hash to take something
[08:42] <MaNI> like hash('a') would give you a result
[08:42] <MaNI> or hash(somevar)
[08:42] <MaNI> otherwise its all rather pointless
[08:43] <MaNI> its possible there are some implementations of python where hash('') returns random memory or something  - in which case it would act as a random number generator of sorts - but thats terrible and I hope thats not whats going on
[08:45] <Squirm> Ok
[08:45] <Squirm> I think I'll plug the box's IP in there
[08:47] <Squirm> I think I'll plug the box's IP in there
[08:47] <Squirm> Thanks MaNI
[09:56] <magespawn> does anyone know how to register a .co domain, and is there someone doing it in SA?
[10:12] <Kilos> hmm... now the connecting street lights, power off, connect one then power on and drive to next lamp and so the cycle goes
[10:16] <magespawn> nice, not at all disruptive
[10:16] <Kilos> lol
[10:17] <Kilos> 4 times already
[10:29] <Kilos> did  that guy come right with his ip prob?
[10:30] <Kilos> and did you guys teach him to install hexchat and join us?
[10:31] <pieter2627> he left to go to the IT helpdesk
[10:31] <Kilos> ai!
[10:32] <Kilos> at least he is on ubuntu
[10:54] <Kilos> wb mazal  
[11:38] <stickyboy> Man.
[11:38] <stickyboy> Just fixed my coffee machine.
[11:45] <Kilos> well at least youve done something usefull
[11:45] <Kilos> very sad when there aint no coffee
[12:00] <mazal> Hi guys
[12:00] <Kilos-> wen jy darem mazal  ?
[12:00] <mazal> I am struggling to fin a way to get a list of active ip's and hostnames on my network
[12:00] <mazal> I have googled a lot but can't find a solution
[12:01] <mazal> I have tried both nmap and arc
[12:01] <mazal> Both return active ip's , but not the hostnames , and I need the hostnames
[12:01] <andrewlsd> Hi mazal
[12:01] <mazal> Anybody know of a command or app that returns hostnames as well please ?
[12:01] <andrewlsd> nmap will return hostnames via DNS lookups
[12:02] <andrewlsd> so if there is a reverse mapping of the IP to DNS, then nmap will give it to you.
[12:02] <mazal> andrewlsd: I must have wrong switches on the command or something then ?
[12:02] <mazal> Or I don't have that what you said there
[12:02] <andrewlsd> the only way to get hostnames from the machines themselves would be via a login or agent.
[12:02] <andrewlsd> e.g snmp /wmi
[12:02] <andrewlsd> mazal, test with dig -x [IP.ADD.RE.SS]
[12:03] <mazal> k hang on
[12:03] <andrewlsd> like: dig -x 192.168.1.3
[12:03] <andrewlsd> for the IP you're interested
[12:04] <mazal> http://bin.snyman.info/gfehy
[12:04] <andrewlsd> or, dig +short -x 41.160.103.162
[12:04] <andrewlsd> so , your answer section has "0:
[12:04] <andrewlsd> ... 0
[12:04] <andrewlsd> which means no answer
[12:04] <andrewlsd> QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0
[12:05] <andrewlsd> ... which means the reverse lookup for that IP range is not managed by the server you're asking.
[12:05] <mazal> ok , so on this network I can't get hostnames
[12:05] <andrewlsd> (which is 127.0.1.1, basically localhost)
[12:05] <andrewlsd> try doing 
[12:05] <andrewlsd> dig +short -x 192.168.0.6 @dns.server.address
[12:05] <andrewlsd> got to run, fetch my son
[12:07] <mazal> oom Kilos , you were refering to the website thing ?
[12:07] <Kilos> when mazal  ?
 wen jy darem mazal  ?
[12:07] <Kilos> o ja
[12:08] <mazal> Yeah , did a bit of wordpress , and I think that will do the trick
[12:08] <Kilos> good
[12:08] <mazal> Saw that I can make sub pages and all , so think I'm going to use that
[12:08] <mazal> Space limitation is my only worry
[12:09] <Kilos> size?
[12:09] <mazal> Has 2gig limit
[12:09] <mazal> But as long as I stay away from photo's it should be fine
[12:09] <Kilos> thats lost for a basic site without frills
[12:10] <Kilos> put your photos somewhere else and just add links to them
[12:10] <mazal> Yeah , is just if I add a photos section that it will be an issues. Will find alternative for that
[12:10] <mazal> That's the plan oom
[12:11] <Kilos> i have a site somewhere that was also free
[12:11] <Kilos> yola or something
[12:11] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.site
[12:11] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.site is http://mileys-site.yolasite.com and https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite
[12:12] <Kilos> yolasite
[12:12] <mazal> Gonna abuse facebook , I think you can put a direct link to a profile's photo album
[12:12] <Kilos> try get one there i have lots of music and all there
[12:12] <Kilos> lol
[12:13] <mazal> Can oom check if you can see this album:
[12:13] <mazal> https://www.facebook.com/LewendeWoordCullinanRayton/photos_stream
[12:13] <Kilos> ja ek sien dit
[12:14] <mazal> Kewl , then it will work :)
[12:14] <Kilos> lol
[12:14] <mazal> Will put all pics there and just link to it from website
[12:15] <Kilos> yes then that leaves your site light and fast
[12:15] <mazal> Now , I must just go see the leader with my idea :)
[12:15] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <mazal> Think he is going to be happy with my plan
[12:16] <mazal> Currently he only has facebook for info sharing , and that is a mess
[12:18] <Kilos> eish
[12:20] <stickyboy> Man, my eye is twitching. Too much work?
[12:20] <Kilos> lol stickyboy  you are crazy
[12:23] <andrewlsd> mazal, I think you can directly link to dropbox images. 
[12:24] <mazal> hmm , yeah that's another option I can investigate. Although I never worked with dropbox , but I can check it out
[12:24] <andrewlsd> http://ryanmo.co/2013/11/03/dropboxsharedlinks/
[12:27] <mazal> Doesn't google drive also have a feature to share ?
[12:28] <mazal> I used my gdrive so long ago that I can't remember
[12:30] <andrewlsd> mazal, either way you'd probably want to create a dedicated account for them if using gdrive or dropbox, rather than "your own", so that if you hand the site over, you can give the dropbx/gdrive creds to the next person
[12:30] <mazal> Good idea , thanx. Have some options to go investigate now :)
[12:44] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[12:45] <andrewlsd> cheerio mazal
[12:45] <Kilos> ha you dont use tab complete for nicks
[12:46] <andrewlsd> Kilos: aah.
[12:46] <Kilos> maz
[12:46] <Kilos> some long nicks are hard to type out
[12:47] <magespawn> andrewlsd, have you used etherape?
[12:47] <andrewlsd> true, but tab complete it only works if nick is first.
[12:47] <andrewlsd> magespawn: am trying to remember
[12:47] <andrewlsd> magespawn: nope
[12:48] <andrewlsd> I normally just use tcpdump
[12:48]  * andrewlsd installs etherape
[12:48] <magespawn> i think that will give host names to ip, local computer host name
[12:49] <andrewlsd> magespawn: ooh, shiny
[12:49] <andrewlsd> magespawn: but only if the IP is DNS resolvable.
[12:50] <magespawn> so you still need to have dns for the local lan anyway
[12:51] <andrewlsd> yip
[12:53] <magespawn> i do get host names for some of the computers on the network but not always, so not too sure what is happening there
[12:55] <andrewlsd> magespawn: typically that's because some of the computers have associated reverse DNS entries.
[12:55] <andrewlsd> ... e.g when a PC gets address assigned by AD's DHCP service.
[12:56] <andrewlsd> or if you're running dnsmasq which combines dhcp+dns
[12:57] <magespawn> ahh right, let me check the router quickly
[12:59] <magespawn> yes, ther router is set to dnsmasq and local dns
[13:01] <magespawn> there is still so much to learn, too little time
[13:01] <andrewlsd> :-)
[13:01] <Kilos> hehe
[13:03] <magespawn> it is frustrating to be working alone, i really need to find somewhere to work where there are people who know more than me
[13:05] <Kilos> lol
[13:05] <magespawn> now i have to go and buy a replacement charger for a laptop, intellect stretching
[13:09] <magespawn> \wine off
[13:12] <magespawn> chat later all
[13:12] <Kilos> ok
[13:15] <andrewlsd> inetpro: you've been on IRC for a long time. 
[13:15] <andrewlsd> ... I see your nick was registered 8 years ago.
[13:15] <andrewlsd> impressive
[13:16] <inetpro> andrewlsd: hmm... you only realise now? :-)
[13:17] <inetpro> andrewlsd: that was only my come back to irc back then
[13:17] <andrewlsd> first time I've gone and done a '/msg nickserv info'
[13:17] <inetpro> I actually remember using it as far back as in 1995 or somewhere there 
[13:18] <andrewlsd> I used IRC briefly in '97, iirc
[13:19] <inetpro> some time after BBS
[13:20] <inetpro> those where interesting times when it was still simple to host your own BBS 
[13:20] <inetpro> all that was needed was a phone line, a PC and a modem
[13:20] <inetpro> s/where/were/
[13:23] <andrewlsd> I never experienced BBS
[13:26] <inetpro> oh and then there was still CompuServe before that as well, IIRC
[13:28] <inetpro> and somewhere in between then and now was Usenet and many other NNTP services
[13:29] <inetpro> we've been having it! :-)
[13:30] <inetpro> and these days people thing Facebook is the Internet
[13:30] <inetpro> reminds me of AOL
[13:31] <inetpro> s/thing/think/
[13:31] <Kilos> you guys are the ballies
[13:31] <inetpro> ai!
[13:32] <inetpro> Kilos: are they finished with your street lights now?
[13:32] <Kilos> yeah we got 9 in this short street
[13:32] <Kilos> hehe
[13:33] <inetpro> so you went on and off 9 times?
[13:33] <Kilos> 7 about
[13:33] <Kilos> i think they connected the last 3 then powered on again
[13:35] <inetpro> ridiculous!
[13:36] <inetpro> seriously hope that was the last of your troubles with power now
[13:36] <Kilos> me too ty
[14:17] <andrewlsd> Kilos: 
[14:17] <andrewlsd> Kilos: thanks for your help, I got "cloaked" ;-)
[14:18] <Kilos> cool and
[14:18] <Kilos> andrewlsd  
[14:28] <andrewlsd> Kilos: hey, not sure if you got my previous "thank you", so thanks again.
[14:29] <Kilos> you welcome andrewlsd  only times i can help clever peeps
[14:29] <Kilos> looks much better with a cloak hey
[14:33] <andrewlsd> lol, ty Kilos
[14:33] <Kilos> now to work on the ubuntu cloak
[14:40] <andrewlsd> maybe when I get big.
[14:40] <Kilos> lol
[14:40] <andrewlsd> ... rather, "maybe, one day when I'm big"
[14:40] <Kilos> you were here long before me man
[14:49] <andrewlsd> cheers all. time to sign off for the day.
[14:49] <Kilos> cheers andrewlsd  
[14:50] <Kilos> you gotta work on a night pc as well
[14:50] <Kilos> too much tv is bad for the eyes
[14:50] <andrewlsd> Kilos: my wife hits hard 
[14:50] <Kilos> rofl
[14:50] <Kilos> get her involved man
[14:51] <Kilos> ubuntu women need new members too
[14:51] <andrewlsd> what, and leave me with the kids?
[14:51] <Kilos> lol
[14:51] <andrewlsd> fyi: adoptlove.org.za
[14:51] <andrewlsd> anyways. as the dolphins said "so long, and thanks for all the fish"
[17:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:34] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[18:34]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:38] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[18:38] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:38] <Kilos> Maaz  botsnack
[18:38] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[19:10] <inetpro> good evening
[19:11] <inetpro> oh and hi to you too oom Kilos
[19:11] <Kilos> rofl hello my pro are you well sir?
[19:11] <inetpro> good good thank you
[19:26] <superfly> Maaz: tell magespawn I use gandi.net for all my domains
[19:26] <Maaz> superfly: Okay, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[19:37] <Kilos> evening superfly  ThatGraemeGuy  
[19:37] <superfly> hi Kilos\
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: remeber that!
[19:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[19:40] <inetpro> remember as well
[19:40] <Kilos> what?
[19:40] <inetpro> wb superfly
[19:40] <inetpro> oh and even ThatGraemeGuy... you ok?
[19:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuuuh
[19:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> think so
[19:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> :)
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: you been quiet
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: where's that sjambok now?
[19:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> vm where my bouncer runs has had no connectivity since tuesday
[19:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> just haven't had time to figure out why
[19:41] <Kilos> your friend has it
[19:41] <inetpro> ai!
[19:42] <inetpro> maybe better he left with it
[19:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> they had to change the virtual network interface type, seems like it might be a bug with 15.04 and whatever hypervisor they use
[19:42] <Kilos> ive decided that ill get further with my charming manner
[19:42]  * Kilos giggles
[19:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> probably kvm, unless some other hypervisor also has virtio interfaces
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: when is your membership board meeting, is that not tonight?
[19:43] <Kilos> yip at midnight
[19:43] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:43] <inetpro> horrible timing that
[19:44] <Kilos> im working on that too
[19:44] <Kilos> i just need backup
[19:44]  * inetpro will unfortunately only take part as a sleeping member by that time
[19:45] <Kilos> thats fine
[19:45] <Kilos> you always go read the logs anyway
[19:45] <Kilos> mr nosy
[19:45] <inetpro> uh... only when have have a spare moment
[19:46] <inetpro> I have*
[19:46] <Kilos> yaya
[19:46] <Kilos> i believe you, millions wouldnt
[19:47]  * inetpro does speed reading of many things in an attempt to stay up to date
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: so I'm good at beeing a jack of all trades but master of none
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:48] <Kilos> in your opinion yes
[19:48] <Kilos> whatever ive dropped in your lap you have found a cure for
[19:49] <inetpro> unfortunately I've realised long ago it's impossible to cover all bases
[19:49] <inetpro> slowly but surely I'm learning to ignore certain things
[19:49] <Kilos> yes but when you find one you havent covered you go patch it
[19:50] <inetpro> maybe by the time I retire I will have learned to be the master of something
[19:51] <Kilos> lol
[19:51] <Kilos> it never happens, things change too fast
[19:51] <inetpro> ai!
[19:51] <Kilos> did you watch marks keynote
[19:52] <Kilos> big plans and leading the world
[19:52] <inetpro> hmm... you forget too quickly again?
[19:52]  * inetpro listened to that at 1.5 speed
[19:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:54] <Kilos> i had to listen twice to catch most of it
[19:55] <inetpro> I still have to go see other interesting topics as well
[19:55] <Kilos> i looked at belkinsa'a one too about getting more new members in
[19:56] <Kilos> 's
[19:58] <inetpro> wish we could get a number of members here to just jump in and take part at these events, there's a lot to learn, and there's a lot to do as well
[19:58] <Kilos> yeah too much
[19:59] <inetpro> but those times are not the best for us either
[19:59] <Kilos> i cant keep up with the youngsters though
[19:59] <Kilos> they type faster than i can read
[20:00] <inetpro> hopefully we will get there, one day
[20:00] <Kilos> lol when kids all married
[20:01] <inetpro> anyway, I'm off
[20:01] <inetpro> good night
[20:01] <Kilos> night inetpro  sleep tight
[20:02] <inetpro> oh and good luck with your first proper meeting oom Kilos
[20:02] <Kilos> ty sir
[20:03] <inetpro> Maaz: watch him
[20:03] <Maaz> I'll keep one eye on him for you inetpro
[20:03] <Kilos> lol
[22:30] <Kilos> fp