[01:06] <drc> OK...just rebooted.  The is only one line in Software & Updates>Other software and it shows:
[01:06] <Unit193> Can you  cat /etc/apt/sources.list  ?
[01:07] <drc> CHECKBOX "cdrom:[xubuntu.core.iso-mad64  20140425] / vivid main multiverse restricted universe"    All one one line
[01:09] <drc> DId I cry wolf?  Not really knowledgeable on these things, but it was definately not what I expected to see.
[01:10] <drc> ok, will reboot (again :) and check
[01:10] <Unit193> I'd think software-properties would list them all as well, but in theory it may not in order for you to not be able to deselect them.  I'd check the sources.list file to be sure, but I'll also check to see if I see it here.
[01:11] <Unit193> Ah, first tab.
[01:14] <drc> cating sources.list gives what <krytarik> showed (in OT)...but definately only one line in S&U>Other software.
[01:16] <Unit193> I looked at that application, and looks like it's listed on the first pane there, with CD only being in "Other"
[01:17] <drc> I would be more than happy to say "mea culpa" and put it down to my ignorance if everything looks fine on your end/
[01:18] <Unit193> Well as long as the file looks good, I'm glad to ignore software-properties as well.
[01:20] <drc> I actually took a look at 15.05 -release and the S&U>Other software looks different also...everything is on one line also.
[01:20] <drc> mea culpa, me culpa, mea maxima culpa.
[01:21] <Unit193> Hah, it's fine.  Thanks for taking a good look around!
[01:23] <drc> But I still think a small note in the blurbs noting apt-get would be a good idea.
[01:23] <Unit193> Err, yeah.  I never use anything but that to install, so it never occured to me. :3
[01:23] <Unit193> My bad on that one.
[01:24] <drc> Weel, with the target audiance, it should be fine, but at least this way you can say "hey <you> missed it' when some one complains
[01:25] <Unit193> Hah, indeed! :D
[01:26] <Unit193> The "What's different" question could be either answered by diff'ing the seeds for a more basic answer, or to be more technical diff the manifests.
[06:28] <elfy> pleia2: 1800 UTC works any day
[06:29] <elfy> ochosi: crashes out - panel wrapper error 
[06:29] <ochosi> ok, at least that is consistent with what i have seen in a vm
[06:30] <ochosi> not that it's particularly good
[06:30] <elfy> not sure why it worked in the other install 
[06:30] <ochosi> i guess i should re-test on a laptop with a clean env
[06:30] <ochosi> so far only desktops seemed to be affected, but that could also just be a coincidence
[06:31] <elfy> right 
[06:31] <elfy> well I can pull it to the laptop too - that just gets used for testing stuff anyway currently
[06:37] <ochosi> ok, that'd be cool actually
[06:39] <elfy> as soon as I've got that set up I'll ping you
[06:40] <ochosi> perfect, thanks
[06:40] <ochosi> i'm actually not sure what to hope for, a consistent crash/bug or something desktop-specific...
[06:41] <elfy> yea, you only have laptop? 
[06:51] <ochosi> exactly
[06:51] <ochosi> well i do have a desktop @office, but i can not really use that for testing/development
[06:55] <elfy> right - so the best scenario is simple enough - fails on laptops and desktops - fix works on both :D
[06:55] <elfy> couldn't help myself ... 
[06:56] <ochosi> hehe
[06:57] <ochosi> yeah, hopefully
[07:01] <elfy> ochosi: question - will this only work with vivid - or can I wily this install? 
[07:01] <ochosi> should work with >= vivid
[07:01] <ochosi> and that's mostly because of the depends, which weren't there earlier
[07:01] <ochosi> (new upower, new gtk3)
[07:02] <elfy> ok - I'll wily it later then :)
[07:03] <elfy> so I will have laptop on vivid, desktop on wily 
[07:10] <ochosi> sounds good, i guess i'll try to switch over to wily myself soon
[07:10] <elfy> easy at the beginning - not much to dist-upgrade ;)
[07:10] <elfy> took 30 seconds lol 
[07:19] <elfy> it also reboots - so that's a bonus 
[07:23] <Unit193> Got isos yet?
[07:24] <elfy> nope
[07:29] <elfy> be a while yet for them to turn up 
[07:29] <elfy> morning brainwash 
[07:30] <brainwash> morning elfy 
[08:19] <Unit193> bluesabre: oooh, shiny!  Check xfce412.html now?
[09:27] <brainwash> ochosi: maybe you understand what the bug reporter is trying to report bug 1450148
[10:45] <bluesabre> brainwash: that bug report just looks like noise
[10:45] <bluesabre> "It's a meta-package so I removed it"
[10:46] <bluesabre> ok... trying to save a few bytes there or something?
[10:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: let the syncs begin.... tonight :D
[10:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: Autosyncs, mate.  Nice they are.
[10:47] <brainwash> bluesabre: I don't know what to answer other than "no, you are doing it wrong. there is no bug."
[10:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: can you discern some other reason why that bug report exists?
[10:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: indeed
[10:47] <bluesabre> time to drop some deltas
[10:50] <Unit193> Yeah, that'll be nice for sure.  Trello still lists the two not in Debian.  And no, but ask how the person is installing.
[10:51] <Unit193> There is nothing wrong.  Apt thinks numix is only installed because -themes brings it in, same for other packages.  Expected and 'invalid'
[10:52] <bluesabre> yeah, thought so
[11:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: how's this wording? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11007967/
[11:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: In addition to that, brainwash noted that "installing" while it's installed or using apt-mark you get it to be marked as maual.  Also, I'd have to confirm, but Xubuntu may already have them marked as manual by default.
[11:06] <Unit193> Ah, OK.  They are auto.
[11:09] <bluesabre> commented and updated the status
[11:10] <brainwash> bluesabre: thanks
[11:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: phew, several MRs again for the greeter
[11:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: yup
[11:57] <bluesabre> they look okay from what I can tell
[11:58] <bluesabre> I think I'll merge them in and release this weekend
[11:59] <bluesabre> unless you want to test and merge them
[12:00] <bluesabre> ochosi: Unit193 also mentioned that there is some graphical oddities with Numix, in case you're interested in investigating
[12:00] <bluesabre> s/is/are
[12:01] <ochosi> re:greeter sounds fine to me
[12:02] <bluesabre> daily ppa still works in case you'd rather not build
[12:02] <bluesabre> since the greeter can be a pain to install sometimes
[12:02] <bluesabre> :)
[12:03] <ochosi> i can try tomorrow
[12:03] <ochosi> today i have a worky worky day
[12:03] <bluesabre> np
[12:03] <ochosi> tomorrow will be actually 50% FOSS
[12:03] <bluesabre> time for me to boogie, I'll bbl
[12:03] <ochosi> which is almost 90% more than most other days recently :)
[12:04] <bluesabre> have a good day ochosi (and everybody else)
[12:04] <ochosi> you too!
[12:04] <ochosi> Unit193: wanna outline the Numix oddities bluesabre mentioned..?
[12:05] <Unit193> ochosi: Can't miss it.  Really, you can't. :P
[12:05] <Unit193> Greybird like background.
[12:05] <ochosi> i'm not really using Numix for anything, so what context are we talking about?
[12:05] <ochosi> just the greeter?
[12:07] <Unit193> The background, there is none.  It's all the color of greybird.
[12:07] <ochosi> oh
[12:07] <ochosi> starting from what greeter version?
[12:07] <Unit193> Whichever one bluesabre pointed me at.  One in vivid is fine.
[12:08] <ochosi> k
[12:08] <ochosi> i'll take a look at that
[12:12] <ochosi> i can't believe i just took an actual note about that on an actual sticky note...
[12:12] <ochosi> i guess my life is getting more analogue
[12:12] <ochosi> next thing you know, i'll use my actual desk for actual work
[12:13] <Unit193> \o/
[12:16] <ochosi> Unit193: looks to me like only the panel is grey
[12:16] <ochosi> the wallpaper shows fine
[12:16] <ochosi> or did you mean there's a problem when disabling the wallpaper?
[12:16] <Unit193> Nope, no wallpaper.
[12:16] <ochosi> (and yeah, the panel needs fixing definitely)
[12:16] <Unit193> Let me boot it.
[12:17] <Unit193> if it helps, it was enough to make me comment about it.
[12:17] <ochosi> i'll fix the panel tomorrow for sure, if you can give me a clear description of the issue with the background and your lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf file ideally so that i can reproduce, i'll take a peek tonight
[12:17] <ochosi> (if i get to it, i'll fix both tonight)
[12:17] <ochosi> and thanks for bringing it up
[12:17] <ochosi> i guess other themes need fixes too then
[12:18] <ochosi> gotta run
[12:18] <ochosi> hf and ttyl
[12:22] <Unit193> ochosi: http://i.imgur.com/w95uvw6.png
[14:56] <elfy> ochosi: so - all done on laptop - which is a clean install as was desktop - get the same results too
[17:20] <pleia2> meeting scheduled \o/
[17:20] <elfy> oh
[17:20] <elfy> except that Tuesday ... 
[17:20] <elfy> :D
[17:20] <pleia2> :P
[17:21] <elfy> I'd added some topics 
[17:21] <pleia2> great
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> pleia2: did you add the meeting to the team calendar?
[17:54] <pleia2> slickymasterWork: yep, and the wiki
[17:54] <slickymasterWork> great, if you hadn't I0d be more than happy to do it for you ;)
[17:59] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:00] <slickymasterWork> sure, np
[18:31] <ochosi> elfy: ok, well good to know. even if it doesn't really make me happy.
[18:31] <ochosi> Unit193: interesting. i guess i should ask what this is supposed to look like.
[18:31] <ochosi> i mean: ask satya
[18:32] <ochosi> i presume the panel shouldn't be all grey
[18:32] <ochosi> this is numix git master, right?
[18:33] <ochosi> ok, i think i found the problem/solution
[18:35] <ochosi> Unit193: i pushed the fix to git, please lemme know whether it works and if it does, maybe we can get it into 15.04
[18:36] <Unit193> Ah, cool.
[18:37] <ochosi> at least it wfm
[20:34] <ochosi> Unit193: not sure whether you have tried my numix patch yet, but as soon as you do, please lemme know. i'd like to cross that off my list ;)
[20:34] <Unit193> Understood, booting.
[20:34] <ochosi> no rush, you don't have to test straight away, i just wanted to make sure i passed on the responsibility to someone else ;)
[20:35] <elfy> awesomest plan ever
[20:35] <ochosi> :)
[20:35]  * Unit193 ponders the best way to test this.
[20:36] <ochosi> well, boot 15.04, copy git master of Numix over /usr/share/themes/Numix and lock your session
[20:36] <ochosi> assuming you have already selected it for the greeter
[20:39] <Unit193> Was thinking download source, patch, rebuild. :D
[20:39] <elfy> ochosi: yea - that's possibly not ideal - but on the other hand if fix - fixes both here 
[20:39] <ochosi> Unit193: think again ;)
[20:40] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, actually it's ok cause it's consistent with my results. so the original bugreport is likely just bollocks and since i couldn't see anything to potentially fix there specifically, i'm happy it's something else
[20:40] <elfy> okey doke 
[20:41] <elfy> always happy to oblige :D
[20:41] <Unit193> ochosi: Yeah, that does it.  Slight wallpaper flicker to black so it's still not seemless, but personally don't care.
[20:41] <Unit193> Thanks.
[20:43] <ochosi> elfy: i'll set up my test env tomorrow and as soon as it works on my lappy i'll send you a patch to test
[20:43] <elfy> ochosi: ok 
[20:44] <ochosi> Unit193: kewl. if you wanna file an SRU for 15.04, that'd be most welcome );
[20:44] <Unit193> It's not needed, ochosi.
[20:45] <ochosi> it is not?
[20:45] <ochosi> you mean this is not the droid errr... fix we were looking for?
[20:47] <Unit193> ochosi: Fix yes, but it'll be valid for wombat.  As I said, vivid is unaffected, it's the new greeter bluesabre is working on and asked if it followed the config style correctly.
[20:47] <ochosi> hmright, actually in vivid i get a grey background for the greeter's panel
[20:48] <ochosi> with Numix
[20:48] <Noskcaj> Can someone please sync libxfcegui4, ristretto, maybe thunar (it doesn't seem to use udisks2 anymore), xfce4, xfce4-fsguard-plugin, xfce4-diskperf-plugin, xfce4-mpc-plugin, xfce4-netload-plugin, xfce4-xkb-plugin, and xfce4-taskmanager
[20:48] <ochosi> and i'm not using the greeter daily PPA atm
[20:48] <Unit193> Noskcaj: bluesabre is going to look into it yet.
[20:49] <Noskcaj> Unit193, ok. That's the list of everything that we can sync, hopefully it helps
[20:49] <Noskcaj> I might have time to do a few merges over the weekend if they don't get done sooner
[20:50] <Unit193> https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce.html and https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html was what I was going off of.