[04:21] <bluesabre> will sync those things in the morning
[04:22] <bluesabre> came home and fell asleep
[04:22] <bluesabre> and now I'm going back to sleep
[04:22] <bluesabre> so night all
[04:25] <Unit193> G'night.
[06:10] <ochosi> morning all
[07:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: i think the mirror mode in xfce4-display-settings might need another look. i just booted up the 15.04 live system and while my two displays are mirrored (which seems like a pretty good default setting), the display settings dialog is showing the mirror option greyed out/insensitive and disabled
[07:46] <ochosi> elfy: so i have a clean 15.04 system again now, i'll start digging into the xfpm issue
[07:50] <ochosi> hmm, uncool, i can't reproduce the problem :'(
[07:50] <ochosi> it built and installed fine and now the plugin is displaying just fine and i get all the warning output you didn't get
[10:29] <Unit193> ochosi: Mmm, I see.
[10:34] <ochosi> so yeah, i dunno, it seems easy enough to backport, then again, it's not a huge problem if we don't
[11:08] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, I'll take a look at that this weekend
[11:08] <bluesabre> at some point I'd like to get my wife a monitor so I can have a second one to work with at all times
[11:08] <bluesabre> *a new monitor
[11:20] <ochosi> that sounds like a good plan
[11:20] <ochosi> two monitors really increase the productivity in my experience
[11:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: either way, you said you were gonna merge the greeter branches?
[11:21] <ochosi> i think the more crucial one i linked to before in #shimmer is ok to merge, since it has been externally tested by someone who had that exact problem
[11:21] <ochosi> the other (more cosmetic one) about the infobar i can test and report back
[11:21] <ochosi> i guess first i'll have to try to reproduce the issue
[11:24] <ochosi> Unit193: so just to be sure, you don't see the grey panel issue with Numix in 15.04?
[11:25] <Unit193> If I look I do.
[11:25] <Unit193> If I don't look, I don't see it.
[11:25] <ochosi> k :)
[11:25] <ochosi> well, the readability is not ideal
[11:25] <ochosi> but that's a more general issue with the transparent panel in Numix when it works as it should too
[11:31] <ochosi> it's not at all failure-proof, but actually setting all background elements in the greeter to transparent looks quite nice
[11:31] <ochosi> (failure proof in the readability sense)
[11:40] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, that's the plan
[11:57] <bluesabre> work time, bbl
[11:58] <bluesabre> did one sync this morning
[11:58] <bluesabre> bad sean
[11:58] <bluesabre> >.<
[12:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: well one is better than none
[12:02] <ochosi> have a nice day!
[12:05] <lderan> bluesabre: do not regret getting my 2nd monitor. tho it barely fits on my desk at home :P
[12:15] <bluesabre> I use two at work, its a good experience
[21:55] <Unit193> For anyone asking, xubuntu-core was named that sometime before trusty for Xubuntu, and was following a naming scheme created in 2010. :P
[21:55] <mrkramps> and you do not want to switch to Xubuntu Basic?
[21:57] <Unit193> Well, not against it, but don't want to do the effort of renaming just because Ubuntu named something 'Core' now as well.
[21:59] <drc> The sue them, claiming Prior Art....
[22:01] <mrkramps> actually i do not care about the naming, i know what is meant and i am just happy to see you found a simple solution for the default applications discussion
[22:01] <drc> Cahnging names in mid-stream is not fun...Just ask Ikey Doherty, the creater of EvolveOS...er...Solus Project.
[22:02] <Unit193> drc: Or, trying to make the upgrade path work for the rename, changing it everywhere, and keeping a smooth transition? :P
[22:04] <drc> Well, it was in beta (alpha really, imo), so that made it a bit easier.
[22:04] <drc> I think he had more problems with social media accounts :)
[22:05] <mrkramps> and the domains
[22:06] <mrkramps> btw. did you shutdown the 4.10 PPA for 12.04?
[22:07] <Unit193> Me specifically?  No, but yes it was shut down.  Xubuntu Precise went EOL.
[22:07] <mrkramps> ok, thanks for the information
[22:07] <Unit193> !precise-#xubuntu
[22:11] <ochosi> Unit193: i had already written a paragraph about our naming being done earlier than ubuntu, but in the end it felt too petty so i kicked the paragraph out
[22:12] <Unit193> Sure, makes sense.  drc also noted that there is no GUI software manager, and perhaps we should have noted that (I agree, in hindsight. :P )
[22:12] <mrkramps> hell, no USC?! =D
[22:13] <Unit193> Hah, that's not core, that's frilly.
[22:20] <ochosi> well yeah, the default software could've been listed
[22:20] <ochosi> but anyway, i think the announcement was ok, all in all
[22:20] <ochosi> alrighty, gotta go, i'll be pretty much offline for a week now
[22:20] <ochosi> so enjoy your time, peeps!
[22:21] <ochosi> and have a productive meeting on tuesday
[22:21] <ochosi> i'll set up some blueprints when i'm back, if any of you wanna start on that (sorry i didn't manage today), feel free to go ahead
[22:22] <Unit193> ochosi: Yep, decent indeed.  Have fun!
[22:22] <Unit193> Also, size breakdown: http://paste.openstack.org/show/MS3PjOASmkgPCbxg65xS
[22:24] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Can you convince darkxst to fix yelp to only suggest gnome-user-guide?
[22:25] <micahg> not likely, recommends is appropriate
[22:26] <micahg> it's its documentation isn't it?
[22:27] <Unit193> micahg: 'yelp' is a help viewer, gnome-user-guide is the manual for GNOME.  Other applications use yelp to display help (evince, etc)
[22:27] <micahg> isn't yelp part of core GNOME?
[22:27] <micahg> hence, it's its documentation?
[22:28] <Unit193> 'yelp' is the help browser for GNOME, but ships its own documentation it the yelp package.
[22:28] <micahg> oh, if it ships its own docs separately, than suggests would be fine
[22:29] <Unit193> And even, the default page is help:ubuntu-help/index which isn't even in suggests.
[22:30] <micahg> ISTR fixing that before actually
[22:31] <Unit193> :/
[22:31] <Unit193> micahg: It's kind of large, and useless to Xubuntu.
[22:33] <micahg>  * Recommend gnome-user-guide. Closes: #528017.
[22:34] <micahg> debian bug 528017
[22:34] <micahg> haha, that's why it's there :)
[22:34] <micahg> if the facts on the ground have changed, so should the recommends :)
[22:34] <Unit193> There is no 'help' menu...
[22:34] <Unit193> ...That I can see.
[22:35] <Unit193> F1 is non-act.
[22:37] <Unit193> Maybe in GNOME it does, and of course when you open yelp it's expecting ubuntu-docs to be installed, but it's not actually any sort of issue that it isn't.
[22:37] <micahg> oh, haha, maybe that's what I fixed
[22:37] <Unit193> I wish blacklists worked better. :/