[00:33] does cellular data work with ubuntu-touch ? [00:33] heh, yes, indeed [00:34] ogra_: for some reason mine isn't working it detects my carrier just can't get on cellular data .. also its enabled [00:34] you might need to set the APN data for the connection ... not all providers are in the db yet [00:34] ok [00:35] what device is that ? [00:35] nexus 4 [00:35] yeah, that should just work [00:35] isn't that the only supported device right now ? [00:35] no [00:35] http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html [00:35] oh [00:46] ogra_: do you use ubuntu-touch as a daily driver if so what device do you use ? [00:46] the above currently [00:46] bq ? [00:47] yeah [01:05] jcbjoe, you need to use the one for Nexus 4 not BQ. Use this command ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=devel [01:06] But change the devel to stable === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [02:10] trying to update click build targets yield this error: [02:10] E: 10mount: umount: /var/lib/schroot/mount/click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf-2c41e05d-ed28-414b-8042-4348c3f49f54/home/nicolasm: target is busy E: 10mount: (In some cases useful info about processes that E: [02:10] 10mount: use the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1).) E: click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf-2c41e05d-ed28-414b-8042-4348c3f49f54: Chroot setup failed: stage=setup-stop Command returned 1: schroot -u root -c source:click-ubuntu-sdk-14.10-armhf -- apt-get update --yes [02:10] ---Click exited with errors, please check the output-- [02:10] anyone knows what I am doing wrong? [02:31] Does ubuntu touch support arm64 arch. Can i directly compile it with arm64 toolchain. === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun === roasted_ is now known as roasted === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [11:32] hola [11:32] E: 10mount: mount: unknown filesystem type 'overlayfs' [11:34] I get this error when I try build my project to mobile instead of desktop [11:36] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11042030/ [11:53] Cannot create file /home/nicolasm/.config/QtProject/qtcreator/toolchains.xml: No such file or directory ? [13:31] There seems to be a difference in the way ringtones function between RTM and vivid. In RTM the tone will repeat. In vivid, the tone only plays once. Is this intentional? [13:44] Doe's anyone know if there's a natwest app for the ubuntu phone? [13:48] Tm_T, I got that too. I disabled overlayfs as I could not find a proper fix. === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem [13:50] maybe because I run a mainline kernel, idk [13:58] a556265: nope [15:23] jgdx: ha so do I, that might explain it very well [15:37] Hi. Can anyone suggest me a website to learn how tutorials use Ubuntu touch terminal? [15:38] hi [15:39] hi studio [15:39] join #nicaragua [15:40] i am loco? :) [15:41] Haha.. I am not sure we can write in this channel. No one anzwer. Lets get private [15:41] maybe use qmake [15:42] is there a root_fs.tar.gz for the bq e4.5 on the web to download? [15:42] Qmake? Is it a website? === BOHverkill_ is now known as BOHverkill [15:42] not [15:42] i find too [15:43] if yes, did someone figured out what key combination to press to boot from the sd-card? [15:44] i want run my code without the qtcreat [15:45] "el loco", do you own the bq e4.5? [15:46] yes, just because my old phone is broken. [15:47] But it is good to start learning about how to use terminals [15:47] did you tried to boot the bq from the sd-card? [15:48] No. I don't even know what is that for [15:49] there are some stuff in Ubuntu touch that need to be dsveloped and I hope the cummunity is gonna do it soon [15:49] if it would working, more space (64gb) for the os and user space [15:50] really.. Have you done it?? [15:51] bq made something like that some times before available for a e-book-reader. but power+home is not working i think on the e4.5 [15:53] i need the root_fs.tar.gz to test it. i do not like to reflash my phone all the time from android to ubuntu and back, just for testing ... :( [15:54] I don't have any idea but I have been looking for someone to keep in touch to learn more. Can you studio keep in touch with me by email?? [15:55] Locomia, what do you want to learn? [15:57] Locomia, do you know this: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=460 [15:57] I use Ubuntu since at least 6 years ago but never use the terminal. I started using it since I got my Ubuntu phone but I'm completly new. [16:00] the ubuntu phone is not the ubuntu desktop, in the moment the ubuntu phone is a "construction site" ... [16:03] Yes, I undrstand and I will leave it for a whilel. But I am not stope using Ubuntu in my computer :) [16:07] Hahahah.. I miss whatsoever and skype but I don't have other phone so i keep using it and enjoying it even it is in construction site. But please, I would like to keep in touch with some one knows better than me to improve using terminal in my desk [16:07] ubuntu on a computer is nice, also the new ubuntu-studio 15.10. but the phone is, with its "want to have convergence", not so nice ... [16:08] studio_, coul you stop spreading FUD [16:09] ogra_, what means FUD? [16:09] google it [16:10] Mm.. Tank you, sorry studio [16:10] ok, but i never made FUD! === aaron_ is now known as ahoneybun [16:10] Does anyone know if the difference in ringtone behaviour between RTM and vivid is intentional? RTM loops the ringtone whereas vivid plays once [16:10] studio_, calling the phone a "construction site" surely is ... [16:11] orga_, the phone is "under constuction" and you know that. [16:11] it is a finished product on sale [16:12] ogra_: dnftt [16:12] and i really dont want to kdismcuss this with you, please stop badmouthing it [16:12] we know that. [16:13] just beacause you try to do exotic stuff on a device that wasnt designed for this and dont get along with it, it doesnt mean that the procuct does not fulfill its purpose [16:13] Anyway, studio, you look like a good guy, please help me to improve my knowledge on ubuntu [16:14] ogra_, i do not talk bad about the phone and its software, i only tell what other pplz, who also use ubuntu desktop, and compare it to the phone os. [16:15] fine, compare it ... but please note it is *not* a construction site, it works perfectly fine in the context it is sold for peoople using it as designed ... [16:16] ogra_, what do you mean with "perfect"? [16:16] what i say [16:16] (and i said "perfectly fine" fwiw) [16:18] Locomia, if you want to learn about the guts of the ubuntu phone i recommend reading SturrmFlut's recent blog posts about it ... there is also a mailing list and a G+ community where some people regulary post very good howtos and the like ... [16:18] ogra_, what do you think why i switched back to android on the bq e4.5? [16:19] Locomia, https://sturmflut.github.io/ for a start [16:19] studio_, i have no idea [16:20] ogra_, try android on the bq e4.5, then you know, what i understand under "perfectly fine" [16:21] studio_, i use it every deay without problems ... since about 6 months ... and many many others out there do too (since a shorter time period though) [16:22] 6 month ago, so it i just a developer version? [16:22] * ogra_ ksighs and puts studio on ignore ... it gets way to tiring ... troll somewhere else ! [16:23] ogra_, how do you play live tv (iptv) on you phone? [16:23] * mariogrip uses the phone every day without any problems too :) [16:26] studio_, dunno, why didnt you develop an app yet instead of annoying everone every second day in here since months about "i cant stream my TV program, so the phone is a broken thing... i cant implement NFS mounting so the phone is broken ... i dont understand how to mount samba shares, must be the fault of the phone then, so the phone is broken" [16:26] if you are missing an exotic feature, add it ... it is opensource [16:26] just stop raving about it and blame the phone [16:34] ogra_, "i dont understand how to mount samba shares," as you was not able to explain here in the chat, another guy told me how to use the cifs shares on the phone. but he was also not able to use nfs. [16:35] studio_, this isnt #samba ... i never use windows anywhere, why woul i even care how to mount samba shares ... note that you got frequently pointed to the filemanager team working on smaba integration, why you didnt ooffer to help them to simply get that feature in place is beyond me ... but apparently you prefer to complain [16:37] Well, I like the phone and I like the direction of travel. It is everything I'd hoped Android was going to be. The ecosystem is still very small, but growing nicely. I don't understand why someone would buy the phone then complai, when it is easy to make things better for everyone. [16:37] ogra_ http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-carry-on-8044.png [16:38] mcphail, studio_ wants to use desktop functions and does not understand the concept of a phone, despite many many people taking a lot of time to try to explain it to him... [16:38] * ogra_ hugs mariogrip [16:39] :) [16:40] mariogrip, btw, how is the work on rild going, can you make calls yet ? [16:40] ogra_: I remember the old Palm devstudio, which had a great intoduction to what a PDA should and should not do. It should be required reading for people trying to hack on phones [16:42] ogra_ the progress i going slow, i havn't had much free time to work on the project... but i think i know what [16:42] mcphail, well, the ubuntu phone can do pretty much everything ... depends on the amount of hacking you invest ;) ... my point is more about constaantly complaining if $exotic_feature isnt there by default on a phone ... [16:42] 's the problem [16:42] ogra_, did i bought the wrong phone and the "desktop-option" is only in the new phone? [16:43] mariogrip, well, last time i checked it looked like this was the last missing piece :) [16:43] studio_, there is no desktop option [16:43] * DanChapman finds the ubuntu phone to be a crazy amount of fun to hack on. Even with it's *quirks* [16:43] it has been planned together with the community last week during the ubuntu online summit [16:44] ogra_, it isn't in the next phone? [16:44] no [16:44] was the propaganda on youtube wrong? [16:44] ogra_ yeah, that, bt and gps :) [16:44] ah, gps is a beast [16:44] * mcphail passes round the popcorn [16:45] bt will become easier once it switched to bluez5 [16:45] studio_, experimentally this feature will show up "in a phone" before end of the year ... [16:46] it will definitely not show up on the bq [16:46] the target for fully featured convergence is the 16.04 release [16:47] ogra_, i am waiting for a MT6595- or 6795-phone a long time and i know what that soc can handle [16:47] ogra_ my biggest problem now is getting time to debug xP [16:47] mariogrip, tried asking the community for help ? seems you have a few people there [16:48] at least for commecting info and the like [16:49] *collecting [16:49] ogra_ yeah, they are helping me providing debug info and links. i also got alot of help of Chloe [16:49] cool [16:51] i also have an app coming up an the store soon :D [16:51] oooh ! [16:51] what will it do ? [16:52] control/monitor for 3D printers (using octoprint) [16:52] neat !! [16:54] you have amazing amounts app on the store :D I love the Google+ app! [16:54] * ogra_ is currently trying to get the first "snap click combo" setup to work ... trying to have a snap you can run in the cloud, monitoring an IRC channel and sending notifications to the phone for all pings you get [16:54] well, most of my apps are webapps :) [16:54] easily generated by scripts [16:54] the G+ one was some work though :) and the lautfm-player app [16:56] :D I use the G+ one every day! [16:56] * ogra_ too :) [17:01] * popey is making a silly game for Ubuntu :) [17:02] ogra_, why are direct links (m3u) for exp. http://stream.laut.fm:80/ondalatina are not working on the phone with the music player? [17:03] we don't have playlist support yet, it's coming [17:03] right, you could have fund a bug on launchpad for it [17:08] popey, will m3u or m3u8 also working on the video player for live tv, for exp. mms, rtp, rtps, rtmp and so on? [17:09] popey: we need games! :D [17:09] studio_: no idea. [17:09] ok [17:42] hello [17:43] there is something wrong with the fonts (ubuntu next 15.10) http://i.imgur.com/p1oYLqX.jpg [17:44] help? i have no idea where to report this bug (mir, unity8,qt)? [17:49] popey, i'm still confused about how we the music-app are going to play remote URLs like m3u's, as we use mediascanner2 to show metadata etc [17:51] popey, we're probably gonna have to change to reading it from media-hub itself or something? [18:04] Where should I file a bug about i18n things? [18:06] ogra_ it's detecting modem type ril, (RILDEV detected modem type ril, 1 SIM slot(s)), but it cannot connect (create_ril: can't connect to RILD: Connection refused (111)) [18:06] any ideas why? [18:16] :( [18:20] Is the vivid channel running bluez5? [18:31] hello is this the user channel or the developer channel? [18:51] test [18:53] Hi. Is there a forum for ubuntu development ? [18:54] *Ubuntu Phone [19:53] does anyone know how to install ubuntu in Micromax A110 [19:53] I have tried a lot but could not unlock bootloader [19:55] ahayzen: well indeed. I don't know that we ever said we would support remote playlists did we? [20:06] any idea of when skipping music via the sound indecator will be released? [20:18] Hi there I am about to write a Qt Application that is not for the Ubuntu phone but I would still like for it to work on Ubuntu Phone. What Libs should I stay away from. and am I going to have to make a custom UI just for Ubuntu Phone ? [20:19] Example: stay away from QtQuick Windows or stay away from QtMultimedia ect [20:42] ouh the sdk is huge!!! 1g After this operation, 1,018 MB of additional disk space will be used. [20:43] *** taiebot is going to create is first app.. [20:55] AndyDavis: you can use whatever libs you want. anything not in the SDK will have to be included within the package itself for the package you create for the phone. Using the QML widgeets in the SDK will give you the best experience on the phone though, as they are already designed with the touch interfaces in mind. Using things not in the SDK might result in interesting problems if you use widgets that aren't already built to [20:57] dobey, what about external libs that I write ? How do I add all this to click ? [20:57] Most of them are debs atm. Maybe there easy way to convert deb to click ? [20:58] then I have a bunch of clicks how do the libs read back and forth ? [20:58] dobey, once ubuntu touch is installed are there regular linux packages on the mirror? [20:58] AndyDavis: you'll need to pull them into your build. just pulling from debs into the click/snap won't necessarily work, as most things tend to have paths hard coded into them when compiled. so it's best to recompile as part of your app's build as well [20:59] ie do they render easily within the ubuntu touch user interface? [20:59] AndyDavis: clicks don't have dependencies. they all need to be in the app's package for the app to use them, if they aren't part of the sdk [20:59] dobey, so when writing the app do not break up all the libs [20:59] artpage: no. apt is not a supported method of installing apps or upgrading the system for the phone images. [21:00] popey, yeah exactly [21:01] dobey, so you are saying that any libs that I use or depend on need to also be compiled in my click ! ? [21:01] dobey, ok thanks, what's the state of video replay on ubtouch, does it run chrome or iplayer? [21:01] ChloeWolfieGirl, we're waiting for media-hub to finish implement some bits, then we'll linkup our end in the music-app, still quite a way to go i'm afraid but it is WIP :) [21:02] AndyDavis: yes, if they are not included in the ubuntu sdk already [21:02] How am I to deal with things that use multiple libs ? example QsqlDatabasedriver -> [array of packages needed for drivers of databases ] -> my lib -> my app [21:03] artpage: no. local videos are played through the local mediahub service, which is built on gstreamer. web videos are through the web engine which also uses gstreamer, and is based on blink. [21:03] so I would have to compile mysql sqlite and all the other databases that are included to make the QSqlDatabaseDriver work with different drivers. [21:03] No way to pulll in there dev packages ? [21:04] pull * [21:04] AndyDavis: they must be included in the package. i don't know what you want the QSql stuff for exactly, but there is u1db in the sdk already if you just want to store simple documents in a db [21:04] sqlite is on the image already [21:04] How much space takes the SDK ? [21:04] dobey, QsqlDatadriver is used to connect to mysql and about 7 other database types. But it was just a example. [21:06] AndyDavis: sure, i know what it is for itself. i don't know what you are doing specifically though. :) [21:07] AndyDavis: but yes, it's just like building an app for any other phone. you either use what is provided in the SDK, or you include everything you need in your own package. [21:08] wow that is way to much work. I will just keep for the desktop. there has to be ways to install debs [21:09] or make a new lxc ect [21:09] I just installed 1g by installing ubuntu-sdk. I am launching it for the first time and i see that is downloading a lots of packages. I am quite low in terms of space on my hard drive it would be nice to know how much it will take before completion [21:09] does anyone know what firewall is used or even if such things as ufw are needed on a mobile? [21:10] AndyDavis: you can make a chroot in the home directory of the phone, sure, but that is a totally unreasonable thing to require users of your app to do [21:11] taiebot: well, to build your app packages for the phone, it needs to create a chroot for cross-compiling, and doing that will basically install all the packages and their -dev variants that are installed on the phone, in that chroot. [21:12] artpage: well, there isn't really a firewall on the phone image, but there also aren't any services exposed over tcp/udp really either, as it's a phone, not a server [21:13] there will probably be some more bits added for firewalling in the future though, as cups or simialr get added to enable more features [21:13] i don't think cups is on the phone right now though [21:13] dobey, It is kinda like this. I have already wrote most the app and it uses many external libs and also builds on some. That is just way to much work to re-write the application. We are talking about a lot of code. But then having to compile and add all the libs that are needed for everything to work. That is just kinda crazy. We are talking about 20 + packages that are needed in order to even build this thing [21:13] AndyDavis: well you're talking about running the app on a completely different platform, too [21:14] Would be cool to have on the phone but it is not a big deal. But I am not going to maintain 20 + external libs [21:14] i don't know what "this thing" is, so i can't really offer you any more advice [21:14] there has to be a way to say deb-> click ion a sbuild or something [21:14] hi [21:14] dobey: it as completed. Its quite weird that there is no explanation on what is happening as a first time user it would be nice to have a set up journey. [21:15] well, you can link statically to them maybe. it depends on what the libs are. libs that have plug-in systems though are very difficult to use by linking statically [21:15] dobey, "this thing" ansible mixed with puppet kinda [21:15] but with ui [21:15] there is no way to convert a deb to a click [21:15] dobey, thanks I'm unaware of these things but thought it was worth an ask if it was somehow related to ubuntu. I've noticed firewalls get multiple ports hit over the internet and wondered if these things happen on mobiles??? :-/ [21:16] dobey, can click be made in chroot ? maybe I can do come fancy things with sbuild pre and post commands ? [21:17] like copying libs and what not to click package so that I do not need to maintain ? [21:17] artpage: well, ports that don't have active services listening on them can't really have open ports. i'm sure phones get hit by botnets looking for things, but unless you have something running, then nothing really happens [21:18] AndyDavis: the SDK builds the packages in a chroot, yes. but like i said, you can't just convert a deb to a click. they are very different things [21:18] you can't just put the .so files in a different location and expect they will work correctly. they won't [21:19] dobey, is that to do with the intermittent nature of mobile connections, some kind of push connection? [21:19] dobey, I think that I need to click and how there put together. there has to be a way to do what I am saying. I can not expect that developers want to maintain othes work. I could be wrong [21:19] artpage: no. it's the fact that the phone isn't running apache and such [21:19] artpage: it's a phone, not a server, after all [21:20] AndyDavis: well, Steam basically installs a full linux distro in ~/.local/share/steam to be able to work properly. [21:21] Steam = 1,000 of developers. me = 1 ; [21:21] AndyDavis: as i said, it depends on what libraries you are using. some you can just link statically, and some have to be re-built. more complex libraries make things more complex. [21:22] i'm pretty sure steam does not have 1K developers working on it [21:22] dobey, right so pcs are still similar to servers even if they don't have static addresses ? I must admit networks baffle me [21:22] but it's not like Valve maintains Xorg and GTK+ and SDL and all the libs they use either [21:23] dobey, so If I am to add all these deps to my app. How do I do this with click in my pro files ? [21:23] artpage: well if you want to see what's what, just put your phone on wifi and then scan it with nmap [21:23] dobey, lol great I'll try that [21:23] how to make click with qmake or cmake or all that ? going to google that now. [21:24] AndyDavis: i don't really know how to deal with qmake and submodules and integrating possibly different build systems into it [21:24] AndyDavis: just use the sdk [21:24] add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && apt-get update && apt-get install ubuntu-sdk [21:25] that is just some added qt mods and what not. Great work and real cool. But does not fit what I am doing . Again code is already wrote and uses qmake and make. [21:26] you're asking how to do what the sdk does [21:26] so yes, it does fit with what you are asking [21:26] All I see in the sdk are for qml scene things, Many of the libs that are in the app are also for qt and that is why I am so confused [21:26] do you use qtcreator? [21:26] the "sdk" is the ide and everything. [21:28] however, the phone target does not include all of the qt extension libs; but there is a plug-in to qtcreator to all the ubuntu stuff, including the building of click packages [21:28] and i'm pretty sure it supports qmake as well as cmake, as the build system for a package [21:29] use it, create a new c++ app using qmake for the ubuntu target, and i'm sure you can probably examine the differences between the qmake template for an ubuntu app in the ide, versus the qmake in your app, to see what you might need to change or add, to enable integration for building a click of your app. then from there you can figure out how to add the other modules you need to build or such. [21:37] mm cannot get my webapp to work the url is changed automatically by the device to not what i have told it. Its on my local network. Trying to build a webapp for runeaudio http://www.runeaudio.com/about/ [21:48] taiebot: changed to what? [21:50] dobey. the address is http://runeaudio/ on my local network it changes it to https://m.runeaudio.com/ so it opens the wrong website [21:51] dobey, so I was just reading that I can take the .so files from my deb build and use in a click package, In fact It looks like I have to make a deb package so that I can run it through sbuild for cross compile. Then make the click package after that. There should be a server that does this for all packages so that one can very easily add to there app . [21:52] example http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/qmake/view/head:/run_on_ubuntu_touch.sh [21:53] taiebot: you need to have the url in your webapp be https://m.runeaudio.com/ i guess [21:54] AndyDavis: no, you can't really. like i said, it depends on what libs you're using. and you don't need sbuild. click build already cross-compiles stuff in a chroot. [21:58] dobey, libs that are used. libbotan1.10-dev libavahi-compat-libdnssd-dev mysql-client-5.5 libmysqlclient-dev << and others like sqlite and odbc ect libmodbus-dev asciidoc libtool xmlto xsltproc libcurl4-gnutls-dev all the ssl libs all the dbus all the udev , all the qt libs like serialport and many many others [21:58] did not want to list all because it would flood [22:00] only simple libs that do not have complex plug-in dependencies or hard coded paths, can really be copied into a click from the deb package, and expect to work properly [22:01] anything more complex, and you may (likely will) run into problems [22:01] anyway, i have to go [22:01] later :) [22:22] well i give up for tonight it looks like i cannot create a webapp which links to my local network it default to the internet. i have those 3 addresses http://runeaudio/ http://runeaudio./ http://runeaudio.local/