| === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun | ||
| === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun | ||
| === aaron is now known as ahoneybun | ||
| wxl | what's up gsilva ? | 20:33 |
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| ahoneybun | hey wxl | 21:01 |
| wxl | hey ahoneybun | 21:01 |
| ahoneybun | can you look at something for me? | 21:02 |
| wxl | sure | 21:02 |
| ahoneybun | thanks | 21:03 |
| wxl | don't forget your bulletpoints on the documentation section ahoneybun :) | 21:03 |
| ahoneybun | its a slideshow about the current documentation setup for each project | 21:03 |
| ahoneybun | got those might now show well with google docs | 21:04 |
| wxl | ko | 21:04 |
| wxl | well i sure like the idea of using rtd | 21:06 |
| wxl | frankly i loathe all the different lightweight markup languages | 21:06 |
| wxl | we need to just pick one and go for it | 21:06 |
| ahoneybun | to me the language that rtd uses is much cleaner and easier for someone to get a hold of so they can contribute | 21:07 |
| wxl | largely it seems this has been already chosen by a lot of the internet: markdown | 21:07 |
| ahoneybun | I've been toying with the idea that all the projects use one service/host/language | 21:07 |
| wxl | luckily rtd supports markdown | 21:07 |
| wxl | the other side of the coin is that a lot of potential docs contributors are not technical users | 21:08 |
| ahoneybun | that way we do not do double work, help eachother, and make it easy for everyone to help out other projects | 21:08 |
| wxl | getting them to learn *ANY* markdown is a pain | 21:08 |
| wxl | s/markdown/lightweight markup language/ | 21:09 |
| ahoneybun | reStructuredText is pretty easy | 21:09 |
| wxl | they are all easy | 21:09 |
| wxl | moin moin is easy | 21:09 |
| wxl | media wiki is easy | 21:09 |
| wxl | but easy isn't the problem | 21:09 |
| wxl | they all have a different take on what "easy" looks like | 21:09 |
| wxl | and so switching from one flavor to another just sucks | 21:09 |
| ahoneybun | even then like gsilva said we can just have people file bugs against the manual/docs and we fix the issue | 21:10 |
| wxl | oh now that's a fairly decent idea | 21:10 |
| ahoneybun | just having second eyes helps awhole lot | 21:10 |
| wxl | i think the other key to get people to contribute is a wysiwyg lightweight markup language editor | 21:10 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: I'm thinking of giving a talk about this at SELF (South East Linux Fest) | 21:11 |
| wxl | yes, great idea1!!!! | 21:11 |
| wxl | i am 100% in support of this | 21:11 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 21:11 |
| wxl | maybe it would be good to encourage a wysiwyg editor that can easily convert into whatever language you want | 21:12 |
| ahoneybun | like the 2nd slide shows that we are pretty much in 2 main places (Wiki Ubuntu or Launchpad) | 21:12 |
| ahoneybun | wysiwyg? | 21:12 |
| wxl | what you see is what you get | 21:12 |
| ahoneybun | oh | 21:12 |
| wxl | think google docs on the outside | 21:12 |
| ahoneybun | I've been using kate but that is the default in KDE | 21:12 |
| wxl | but you can save to whatever format you want | 21:12 |
| ahoneybun | oh not sure of a system that supports that many | 21:13 |
| wxl | there isn't as far as i know | 21:13 |
| wxl | but that's been the probelms i have perceived: | 21:13 |
| ahoneybun | mhall thinks this is a good talk idea as well | 21:13 |
| ahoneybun | *topic | 21:13 |
| ianorlin | yes that is a great idea | 21:13 |
| ahoneybun | thanks ianorlin | 21:14 |
| wxl | * lightweight markup languages are a great alternative to something as heavy weight as word processor formats or even something as complex as latex | 21:14 |
| ianorlin | seriously I am more worried about lxqt documantion than code quality | 21:14 |
| wxl | * lightweight markup languages resemble ways that we intuitively markup plain text for emphasis, etc. | 21:14 |
| ahoneybun | even I see LaTeX as complex and I know a little programming languages | 21:14 |
| ianorlin | also LaTeX for noobs isn't quite that easy I know | 21:14 |
| wxl | * lightweight markup languages are all slightly different and incompatible | 21:14 |
| ianorlin | wxl pretty much | 21:14 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: ianorlin http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html | 21:15 |
| wxl | * those of us that are well versed in different languages won't struggle too much to switch between lightweight markup langauges but the same can't be expected of noobs | 21:16 |
| wxl | * noobs need to be able to just "do it" quick | 21:16 |
| wxl | this is why i say an editor would be great | 21:16 |
| ianorlin | exactly I am still noob to both markdown and rst | 21:16 |
| ahoneybun | https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/2.1/phk/sphinx.html | 21:17 |
| ianorlin | hmm unfortanely juffed doesn't have thouse for syntax highilighting | 21:17 |
| wxl | also sphinx is FANTASTIC because it can basically pump out whatever you want including html, pdf, etc | 21:17 |
| ahoneybun | yess! | 21:17 |
| ahoneybun | that page is rst, and it is themed nicely | 21:17 |
| wxl | my only concern about sphinx is that it relies on rst which is canonical in the python world but not the world of the internets | 21:17 |
| wxl | let me find my blog about htis | 21:18 |
| wxl | http://polka.bike/blog/down-with-markup/ | 21:18 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: ianorlin feel free to correct/ improve anything on my slideshow | 21:18 |
| wxl | ahoneybun: when you do this presentation, get it on video and i'll do a follow up blog entry on this | 21:20 |
| ahoneybun | I think I know someone who could film it | 21:21 |
| ahoneybun | if he is not busy doing something else at the con | 21:21 |
| wxl | the conference may film it too | 21:21 |
| ahoneybun | true | 21:21 |
| wxl | also this is totally up gsilva's alley | 21:22 |
| ianorlin | I think they do for southeast linuxfest | 21:22 |
| wxl | he NEEDS to see this | 21:22 |
| ianorlin | I have watched a ton of them | 21:22 |
| ahoneybun | I've been talking to him | 21:22 |
| ahoneybun | my dream is to use RTD and rst, upload to LP, let people file bugs, we fix them = users have PDF, HTML and eBook formats | 21:23 |
| wxl | seems reasonable | 21:23 |
| wxl | certainly moving from random wiki pages to having a cohesive manual is important | 21:23 |
| ahoneybun | and can easily host on their own docs.*buntu.org/net/com | 21:23 |
| wxl | i think that will only come through something like rtd | 21:23 |
| ahoneybun | the wiki is a mess with the login system, MoinMoin | 21:24 |
| wxl | ahoneybun: assuming canonical it can handle the hosting! our loco is still waiting… | 21:24 |
| ahoneybun | they host for free for Free Software | 21:24 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: they still have not replied to us about Kubuntu's new site | 21:24 |
| ahoneybun | so we are looking at other hosting options | 21:24 |
| wxl | ahoneybun: we got the ok and everything, but we're waiting for them to have time to do it, i guess | 21:25 |
| ahoneybun | the setup I'm thinking is a lot better then telling a user to go to this: page.org then this one though this one | 21:25 |
| ahoneybun | instead just bzr branch lp:*buntu-manual/docs | 21:26 |
| ahoneybun | or file a bug | 21:26 |
| ianorlin | actually I thnk the wiki is hard to navigate and that must mean it is only that much harder for a noob | 21:26 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 21:26 |
| ahoneybun | sometimes I have issues logining in | 21:27 |
| ahoneybun | *logging | 21:27 |
| ianorlin | or when you hit preview then click to see your link worked and it doesn't get saved | 21:27 |
| ahoneybun | oh man | 21:28 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: my slideshow now has 10 slides :) | 21:36 |
| ianorlin | this is an interesting talk tangentially related to other reasons to use lightweight markup langagues 14:35 < ubottu> plank (source: plank): Elegant, simple, clean dock. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0-1 (vivid), package size 33 kB, installed size 319 kB | 21:37 |
| ianorlin | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A96iWavwyOo | 21:37 |
| ianorlin | oops | 21:37 |
| ianorlin | should not have middle clicked there | 21:38 |
| ahoneybun | wxl: what are the Ubuntu docs written in? | 21:39 |
| wxl | you mean the manual? | 21:39 |
| ahoneybun | yea what ever is on LP | 21:40 |
| wxl | it's tex | 21:41 |
| * ahoneybun looks at ianorlin's link | 21:42 | |
| ahoneybun | thanks wxl | 21:42 |
| wxl | here's help with autostarting, ModelEngine https://askubuntu.com/questions/81383/how-can-i-add-new-autostart-programs-in-lubuntu | 21:44 |
| ianorlin | wxl wrong channel | 21:44 |
| wxl | argh | 21:44 |
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| ahoneybun | silly multi monitor | 21:49 |
| Nairwolf | hi, | 23:32 |
| Nairwolf | wxl are you here ? | 23:33 |
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