[00:19] <slangasek> because in our default configuration the persistent logging is via rsyslogd, and this is intentional
[00:20] <slangasek> so having systemd satisfy the dependency and throw away the logs on reboot wouldn't be very satisfactory
[00:20] <slangasek> it would be possible to create a package which provides: system-log-daemon and just ships /var/log/journal, perhaps
[01:24] <psusi> ahh, the journal is entirely in memory?  doesn't that chew up a lot of ram?
[20:11] <psusi> so mediatomb.service fails to start at boot because the network is not yet up... it seems that network-online.target isn't waiting for NetworkManager managed interfaces to come up.. any idea how to get it to or where to file the bug?
[22:10] <Unit193> infinity: Howdy.  So did a quick bzr log check of livecd-rootfs and ubuntu-cdimage for where you switched from using tasks to metas, was wondering how you did that.  Is it in another repo?
[22:22] <cjwatson> Unit193: it's in livecd-rootfs but in the branches for various stable releases.  you should be able to find it from https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs
[22:23] <Unit193> cjwatson: Ah, thanks very much.
[22:23] <cjwatson> Unit193: actually, sorry, make that https://code.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/
[22:23] <cjwatson> {precise,trusty}-proposed
[22:25] <Unit193> Right, found it.  Thanks again.