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* PaulW2U summaries to go - 511:39
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PaulW2Usummaries finished18:08
pleia2:D18:20
pleia2thanks PaulW2U18:20
pleia2this is a good issue <318:50
PaulW2UYes, more community, less Canonical :)18:52
* pleia2 nods18:52
* pleia2 unhelpfully adds two more press articles18:56
pleia2I can write summaries after doing stats ;)18:57
pleia2Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue41619:16
pleia2and sent to the editors early \o/19:16
Unit193https://launchpad.net/~gustavosantaremsilva borked, http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Ubuntu-15-10-to-Be-Called-Wily-Werewolf-ff480096.shtml borken.19:25
Unit193https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gsilva that's what he links to even.19:26
Unit193https://launchpad.net/~gsilvapt there19:27
PaulW2UUnit193: Fixed both links. Try again?19:31
Unit193Oh right.  Yep, just the usual now, PaulW2U.19:35
PaulW2UThanks19:50
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ahoneybunpleia2: hello22:09
pleia2o/ ahoneybun22:09
ahoneybuncheck this out: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing22:10
pleia2what is it?22:10
ahoneybuna talk for SELF I'm thinking of doing22:11
pleia2ah22:11
ahoneybunabout Documentation22:11
pleia2might be worth discussing with the broader ubuntu-doc community, but I think consolidation would be tough sell22:12
pleia2each team already has contributors who are well-versed in their specific formats, and Ubuntu still pulls a fair amount from Gnome (which is why they use Mallard)22:12
pleia2it's a lot of work to move to a new format, and I just don't see the teams having it22:12
ahoneybunMallard?22:13
pleia2ubuntu desktop docs are written in Mallard22:13
ahoneybunoh ok22:13
ahoneybunI've been focusing on online formats22:13
pleia2ubuntu server is still in docbook (same as xubuntu)22:14
ahoneybunI have xubuntu as xml22:14
ahoneybunmust be docbook = xml22:14
pleia2docbook is a type of xml22:14
ahoneybunoh ok22:14
pleia2https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/index.html <-- official online desktop docs generated from Mallard22:14
ahoneybunthanks or the correction22:14
pleia2just like docs.xubuntu.org are generated from docbook22:15
ahoneybunUbuntu Deskop Docs - Mallard = HTML22:15
pleia2help.ubuntu.com/community/ is a moinmoin wiki, but most of it isn't well maintained and the docs team doesn't see it as a priority22:15
pleia2well, Mallard, DocBook, LaTeX, etc can all generate HTML22:16
ahoneybunXubuntu - DocBook22:16
pleia2Ubuntu Desktop Docs: Mallard22:16
pleia2Ubuntu Server Docs: DocBook22:16
pleia2Xubuntu Docs: DocBook22:16
ahoneybunI've been looking at Sphinx and reStructuredText22:16
ahoneybunsince it can be outputed at HTML, PDF, and eBook22:17
pleia2that's what OpenStack is moving toward, but there are a lot of paid people working on doing the transition from DocBook, it's a huge project that's taking them months22:17
Unit193Sphinx is used by a lot of Python projects.22:17
pleia2DocBook can too :) that's how the server docs are relased22:17
pleia2Unit193: yeah22:18
ahoneybunthe main reason I see using a single language is that many projects can help each other out22:18
ahoneybunusing one language contributation is much easier22:18
pleia2ahoneybun: again, a discussion for #ubuntu-doc, but transitioning to that is a huge, huge project22:18
pleia2it may be easier, but you need buy in from everyone involved, and it's a ton of work :(22:18
ahoneybunoh did not know you meant to move it over ther22:18
pleia2it's particularly hard for Ubuntu desktop docs since they still copy stuff over from Gnome+Mallard, so every cycle there's the extra work of translating to RST22:20
pleia2in addition to the initial transition, which all teams would have to do22:20
pleia2they struggle to have enough volunteers to even review documentation for updates, let alone all that other work22:21
ahoneybunwhois pleia222:46
ahoneybunlol22:46
Unit193/22:47
ahoneybungot it thanks Unit19322:52
Unit193Heh. :)22:53

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