=== aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [11:39] * PaulW2U summaries to go - 5 === aaron__ is now known as ahoneybun [18:08] summaries finished [18:20] :D [18:20] thanks PaulW2U [18:50] this is a good issue <3 [18:52] Yes, more community, less Canonical :) [18:52] * pleia2 nods [18:56] * pleia2 unhelpfully adds two more press articles [18:57] I can write summaries after doing stats ;) [19:16] Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue416 [19:16] and sent to the editors early \o/ [19:25] https://launchpad.net/~gustavosantaremsilva borked, http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Ubuntu-15-10-to-Be-Called-Wily-Werewolf-ff480096.shtml borken. [19:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/gsilva that's what he links to even. [19:27] https://launchpad.net/~gsilvapt there [19:31] Unit193: Fixed both links. Try again? [19:35] Oh right. Yep, just the usual now, PaulW2U. [19:50] Thanks === aaron is now known as ahoneybun === aaron is now known as ahoneybun [22:09] pleia2: hello [22:09] o/ ahoneybun [22:10] check this out: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing [22:10] what is it? [22:11] a talk for SELF I'm thinking of doing [22:11] ah [22:11] about Documentation [22:12] might be worth discussing with the broader ubuntu-doc community, but I think consolidation would be tough sell [22:12] each team already has contributors who are well-versed in their specific formats, and Ubuntu still pulls a fair amount from Gnome (which is why they use Mallard) [22:12] it's a lot of work to move to a new format, and I just don't see the teams having it [22:13] Mallard? [22:13] ubuntu desktop docs are written in Mallard [22:13] oh ok [22:13] I've been focusing on online formats [22:14] ubuntu server is still in docbook (same as xubuntu) [22:14] I have xubuntu as xml [22:14] must be docbook = xml [22:14] docbook is a type of xml [22:14] oh ok [22:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/index.html <-- official online desktop docs generated from Mallard [22:14] thanks or the correction [22:15] just like docs.xubuntu.org are generated from docbook [22:15] Ubuntu Deskop Docs - Mallard = HTML [22:15] help.ubuntu.com/community/ is a moinmoin wiki, but most of it isn't well maintained and the docs team doesn't see it as a priority [22:16] well, Mallard, DocBook, LaTeX, etc can all generate HTML [22:16] Xubuntu - DocBook [22:16] Ubuntu Desktop Docs: Mallard [22:16] Ubuntu Server Docs: DocBook [22:16] Xubuntu Docs: DocBook [22:16] I've been looking at Sphinx and reStructuredText [22:17] since it can be outputed at HTML, PDF, and eBook [22:17] that's what OpenStack is moving toward, but there are a lot of paid people working on doing the transition from DocBook, it's a huge project that's taking them months [22:17] Sphinx is used by a lot of Python projects. [22:17] DocBook can too :) that's how the server docs are relased [22:18] Unit193: yeah [22:18] the main reason I see using a single language is that many projects can help each other out [22:18] using one language contributation is much easier [22:18] ahoneybun: again, a discussion for #ubuntu-doc, but transitioning to that is a huge, huge project [22:18] it may be easier, but you need buy in from everyone involved, and it's a ton of work :( [22:18] oh did not know you meant to move it over ther [22:20] it's particularly hard for Ubuntu desktop docs since they still copy stuff over from Gnome+Mallard, so every cycle there's the extra work of translating to RST [22:20] in addition to the initial transition, which all teams would have to do [22:21] they struggle to have enough volunteers to even review documentation for updates, let alone all that other work [22:46] whois pleia2 [22:46] lol [22:47] / [22:52] got it thanks Unit193 [22:53] Heh. :)