[09:07] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08] <zmoylan-pi> morning mammals
[09:09] <brobostigon> morning zmoylan-pi
[09:09] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[09:10] <brobostigon> :)
[10:14] <mappps> morning
[10:20] <brobostigon> morning mappps
[10:44] <linuxrules> whats the best lightweight linux desktop? - i am about to install linux on my mum's computer, it is quite old and she does not know much about computers, i waswondering which one is best
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> lubuntu is very light and easy on ram
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> but best is a variable term and means different things to different people
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> xubuntu is what i use on ancient netbook
[10:46] <linuxrules> yeah i tried lubuntu but the wifi and speakers would not work - on the first intel macbook
[11:02]  * SuperEngineer has found Ubuntu Mate runs faster & lighter on an old oldbook than Xubuntu did
[11:03] <SuperEngineer> *netbook
[11:04] <SuperEngineer> & just realised that he/she has asked on several channels - then left after asking - hmmm
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[11:21] <zmoylan-pi> that's... not good... http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/05/10/0936213/enterprise-ssds-powered-off-potentially-lose-data-in-a-week
[11:41] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, don't seee what your complaining about! You gret to keep all your, personal valued stuff & system for up to a week! :D
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> and if the police raid your gear for copyright infringement and have a backlog... :-P
[11:45] <awilkins> Ah, the totalitarian state discussions
[11:45] <awilkins> It does seem the double-whammy doesn't it
[11:46] <awilkins> Starve all the poor people and keep all the technorati under surveillance
[11:47] <SuperEngineer> well... then you get off scot free & get to bust the police for harassment - with the compensation you could buy yourself a real storage system!  ;)
[11:47] <awilkins> Barely a whiff of the protests outside Downing Street reported on the BBC
[11:49] <SuperEngineer> awilkins, really, still relying on beeb for unbiased news? signed, yours truely, anonymous [hint]
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> the bbc is good for reporting on things NOT in the uk
[11:50] <awilkins> Oh, no, not since I was in a 50,000 person protest that they reported by putting the camera at a low angle across a narrow road to make it look like a mothers meeting and then gave it a 2 minute slot on the local news
[11:51] <awilkins> I FOIAed the coppers for their survellance chopper footage to give an true idea of the scale of the crowd and they go tback to me 6 months later with some terrible stills from what was probably a building surveillance camera
[11:51] <awilkins> With a 640x480 CCD in it
[11:51] <SuperEngineer> awilkins, unfair! it's budget cuts!  they probably couldn't afford a tripod ;)
[11:52] <SuperEngineer> or a camera man
[11:52] <awilkins> Those choppers have super-HD video cams
[11:52] <SuperEngineer> or an unbiased view
[11:53] <awilkins> Yeah. The protest movements need to start putting teams on the roofs and flying drones with GoPro cams over the crowd
[11:53] <awilkins> It's a sad thing but they need to take care of their own journalism
[11:54] <awilkins> Maybe not OVER the crowd
[11:54] <awilkins> Last thing they need is a drone falling on someone's head
[11:54] <awilkins> Give an excuse to ban them
[11:55] <awilkins> Bet the coppers are starting to use drones to monitor protests though
[11:56]  * SuperEngineer coughs & finds cough sounds like a reminder that this is a family friendly channel, not a political awareness channel
[11:57]  * penguin42 doesn't think there's anything against politics is there?
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> "against politics"?
[11:58] <SuperEngineer> lol
[11:59] <SuperEngineer> awilkins, I highly recommend the Greg Proops proopcast [aka podcast] for a real look at life
[12:00] <awilkins> Well, unless you consider the Tories to not be "family friendly"
[12:00] <awilkins> :-P
[12:02]  * awilkins listens to proopcast on "Pies"
[12:08] <SuperEngineer> :)
[13:24] <penguin42> right, first important step to making the next batch of chocolate sorbet; finished the previous batch
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> it's hard work but someone has to do it...
[14:16] <penguin42> hmm, I think I'm going to have to get kitchen scales that have more precision; 1g precision when trying to measure 2g of xanthum gum and 8g of cornflour isn't very good
[14:20] <zmoylan-pi> there's a shop on moore street that sells scales and cigarette lighters... for no reason connected whatsoever... :-P
[14:21] <penguin42> haha
[15:32] <diddledan> ello folks
[15:35]  * penguin42 is watching a BBC programme on the insides of chocolate factories - worrying amount of human interaction with the chocolate
[15:35] <diddledan> human interaction with chocolate!
[15:35] <diddledan> you can't beat chocolate airated by natural waterfall
[15:36] <diddledan> you could whip it I guess
[15:36] <diddledan> a decent lash of a whip
[15:37] <penguin42> diddledan: Well this is a factory, and they've still got humans just checking the boxes over after the robots (unglobved) and loading the fillings into machines (without gloves) and picking duds off the lines (ungloved)
[15:37] <diddledan> :-o
[15:37] <diddledan> humans shouldn't be involved. oompa loompas are much more qualified
[15:38] <OerHeks> Do oompa's have common cold too ?
[15:38] <diddledan> nothing common about it!
[15:39] <diddledan> very upper-class, my colds
[15:40] <diddledan> lol @ mailing list: "I'm doing this through the mailing list as it's not a specific bug report but rather just a general bad mood my phone has developed!"
[16:00] <penguin42> Thorntons have got a wonderful machine for making easter eggs - spins the eggs in all directions
[20:42] <foobarry> can't believe i got sucked in to http://www.reddit.com/r/thebutton
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> do you are now dougal in father ted in the cockpit...
[20:46] <shauno> I hope by "sucked in" you don't mean you pressed it
[21:11] <m0nkey_> foobarry, i've not pushed it yet
[21:13] <m0nkey_> damn it.. it got to 11seconds
[21:13] <m0nkey_> then somebody pushed the button
[21:13] <m0nkey_> fool
[22:01] <diddledan> evenin
[22:08] <m0nkey_> damnit. power went out for a few seconds
[22:09] <diddledan> my APC UPS is moaning (via a red light) that I need to replace the flattery
[22:11] <m0nkey_> i need to get a UPS for this PC
[22:11] <m0nkey_> server closet has UPS
[22:11] <daftykins> diddledan: d'aww :(
[22:12] <daftykins> can't even get a battery for mine anymore so it's whole unit replacement time if i care to
[22:12] <diddledan> :-(
[22:12] <diddledan> booo
[22:12] <daftykins> well there are some on ebay and amazon but i'm not so sure...
[22:13] <daftykins> i thin they're labelled as reconditioned
[22:13] <diddledan> yeah that doesn't sound good
[22:13] <daftykins> +k
[22:14] <diddledan> I donno how long lead-acid really do last
[22:15] <m0nkey_> FFS!
[22:15] <m0nkey_> did it again
[22:15] <intrbiz> more about how they are stored / duty cycles etc
[22:15] <m0nkey_> next time, i'm sure power will go out properly
[22:15] <diddledan> the lcd output says the battery was "installed feb 2012"
[22:15] <daftykins> to be honest the software has started periodically losing contact with the USB attached APC UPS, so likely it's gonna die anyway
[22:17] <intrbiz> what batteries does it take?
[22:18] <daftykins> some proprietary thing
[22:19] <daftykins> http://www.bechtle.co.uk/medias/uazSVaIeVcKx24M9CBYV58-30.jpg
[22:19] <daftykins> like that
[22:21] <intrbiz> ah
[22:21] <daftykins> 'tis a pretty old APC Back-UPS RS 800
[22:21] <m0nkey_> what. that's two jelly cells with some adapter.
[22:21] <intrbiz> propbablly two standard seal lead acids in that pack
[22:21] <daftykins> mmhmm
[22:22] <daftykins> i should probably turn off the mains sometime and see what it does
[22:22] <daftykins> i had to replace every other one i got at the same time
[22:24] <ali1234> that looks like two standard batteries stuck together
[22:25] <diddledan> "standard"?
[22:25] <daftykins> lead acid cells perhaps