[04:48] <pitti> Good morning
[06:23] <didrocks> good morning
[06:34] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:36] <didrocks> pitti: bonjour pitti. ça va, et toi ?
[06:39] <pitti> didrocks: je vais bien aussi ! c'était un grand dimanche, beaucoup du soleil (et de la glace ☺ )
[06:40] <pitti> didrocks: we went to a "Tribute to George Gershwin" concert on Friday, and to bowling on Saturday
[06:40] <pitti> ^ my best games so far, I was on fire :)
[06:42] <didrocks> yeah, I saw your post on g+, well done! :)
[07:24] <willcooke> morning
[07:26] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:36] <seb128> good morning desktopers, didrocks, willcooke
[07:36] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:41] <pitti> hey seb128
[07:41] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[07:43] <pitti> seb128: prima, danke!
[08:03] <Laney> ahoy!
[08:03] <willcooke> pip pip
[08:05] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:06] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? good w.e?
[08:08] <Laney> hey fellas
[08:08] <Laney> It was three days but I don't entirely remember what I did on Saturday
[08:08] <Laney> wtf
[08:08] <Laney> anyway the other days were nice, climbing and seeing friends!
[08:09] <Laney> the staying up all night bit was not so fun in the end
[08:10] <larsu> Laney: because of the result?
[08:10] <Laney> ya
[08:11] <Laney> quite a few big beasts lost their seats which I guess was interesting in a schadenfreude kind of way
[08:11] <larsu> ah right, you don't have that list thing going on that we have in addition to direct candidates
[08:11] <Laney> nop
[08:16] <seb128> Laney, do you know if we have details on what can go to restricted and how you target that section?
[08:16] <seb128> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu states but " Supported software that is not available under a completely free license." but that's not really explaining a lot of the details
[08:16] <Laney> the normal way when you accept the new packages no?
[08:17] <Laney> I thought that it was only meant to be non free drivers though
[08:17] <seb128> right
[08:17] <seb128> happyaron is asking because he wants to get some IM things there
[08:17] <Laney> is it redistributable?
[08:18] <seb128> I'm unsure about the details
[08:19] <seb128> they include binaries in the deb that are not built from the source/on our infrastructure
[08:19] <seb128> the copyright states
[08:19] <seb128> "The binary package (without modification) is freely redistributable
[08:19] <seb128>  for non-commercial purpose,"
[08:20] <Laney> freely (not freely)
[08:20] <Laney> I guess talk with the rest of the archive team
[08:21] <seb128> right
[08:21] <seb128> thanks Laney
[08:21] <Laney> is there going to be some UI way to install this?
[08:35] <seb128> I think they would like a checkbox in ubiquity
[10:09] <dholbach> hiya
[10:09] <dholbach> can somebody please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/ubuntu-themes/mate-fixes/+merge/229649?
[10:10] <seb128> hey dholbach
[10:10] <seb128> Laney or larsu can probably help you
[10:11] <dholbach> <3
[10:11] <dholbach> thanks seb128, Laney and larsu
[10:14] <Laney> dholbach: I think the review requested on 2015-05-05 was by me. ;-)
[10:15] <dholbach> ah yes
[10:15] <larsu> I hate MRs that don't explain what they do
[10:15] <larsu> "Add MATE compatibility" :/
[10:19] <larsu> caja is their renamed nautilus?
[10:20] <Laney> ya
[10:20] <larsu> to be honest, I'd prefer it if mate shipped its own theme
[10:21] <seb128> that's a valid position, feel free to comment saying that
[10:21] <larsu> we already have a apps/nautilus.rc - and now we need to add caja just because they didn't like the name?
[10:22] <seb128> we can also symlink if that's easy?
[10:22] <larsu> which gets loaded for everyone (even non-mate users)
[10:22] <seb128> or can't they get their fork to load nautilus.css?
[10:22] <larsu> seb128: no, the file contains references to the renamed widgets...
[10:22] <willcooke> there would be less maintenance for us too if they shipped their own right?
[10:22] <seb128> oh, right, they renamed code/widgets
[10:22] <larsu> willcooke: ya. They forked all the things and renamed widget classes and such, which is why this is an issue
[10:23] <seb128> less maintenance +1
[10:23] <larsu> I mean, it's totally not a big deal to ship this one thing of course
[10:23] <seb128> if we can support them at low cost we should
[10:23] <larsu> I guess I'm making a slippery slope argument
[10:23] <seb128> but if they create work they should maintain it, it would also make them not block on us for review/upload
[10:23] <larsu> but I really think they'd be better off with their own theme (including faster turn around for them, which is something they're complaining about)
[10:23] <seb128> +1
[10:24] <larsu> and I don't feel I'm in the right position to test this properly (would have to install mate etc)
[10:25] <larsu> the icon symlinks are a good idea I guess, but would be moot after we move to -symbolic, which is something other desktops have been asking about as well
[10:25] <larsu> and it's something I wanted to look at this cycle anyway (hi ochosi ;) )
[10:25] <Laney> pretty sure that they already forked the themes
[10:25] <Laney> this would only be interesting if we were going to merge again
[10:26] <larsu> Laney: do you think that would be worthwhile?
[10:26] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-artwork/0.4.7
[10:26] <larsu> I'm only arguing slippery slope here - this is really not that big of a deal
[10:26] <larsu> is someone of the MATE devs around?
[10:28] <Laney> If someone can get added to the team so they can fix/review themselves then maybe
[10:28] <Laney> that'll be flexiondotorg
[10:29] <Laney> (not added right now, but soon)
[10:30] <larsu> flexiondotorg: hey, what are your plans regarding the theme (see scrollback)? You forked it, but want to merge again?
[10:31] <larsu> Laney: I really think it'd be easier if they had a fork to make sure we don't step on each other's toes. We don't check if our changes break MATE (and probably not the other way around either)
[10:32] <Laney> okay
[10:32] <larsu> let's wait for their rationale thoguh
[10:34] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128!
[10:34] <GunnarHj> seb128: Did you see my latest comment at bug #1443178?
[10:38] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, on the phone
[10:39] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, thanks for letting me know.
[11:04] <popey> \o/ filed my first wily bug :) - Can someone on vivid see if it's new to wily or also on vivid? bug 1453763
[11:08] <larsu> popey: same issue in vivid. The gradient is different, but I agree that it's hard to spot. I'll reassign to the theme
[11:09] <larsu> s/spot/discern
[11:09] <larsu> and I guess we need a design task for this as well...
[11:28] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128, dholbach, larsu, willcooke - Ubuntu MATE does have it's own forked versions of the light themes.
[11:28] <larsu> flexiondotorg: so the MR we were looking at is obsolete?
[11:28] <flexiondotorg> The merge proposal was just to add basic compatibility to Ambiance and Radiance.
[11:28] <flexiondotorg> larsu, Well, it is old. I don;t know it will apply cleanly.
[11:29] <larsu> flexiondotorg: regardless of whether it applies, why do you think we need compatibility if you have your own theme?
[11:29] <mpt> Trevinho, hi, could you possibly take a minute to answer the last commenter’s question in bug 1308800?
[11:30] <flexiondotorg> larsu, Mainly because you can just install MATE from the repos but not use Ubuntu MATE. In that case the panels are not correctly rendered by Ambiance and Radiance.
[11:32] <larsu> flexiondotorg: hm - that means we'll always have to mirror the themes, right?
[11:33] <flexiondotorg> larsu, Yes, I am merging changes to the ubuntu-mate-artwork package periodically.
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> larsu, There are some changes I am carrying that are probably not suitable for Ambiance and Radiance so I can't see that we can unify them.
[11:34] <flexiondotorg> larsu, But the minor tweak to get MATE working with Ambiance and Radiance will be fine to merge.
[11:35] <larsu> flexiondotorg: but using Ambiance on mate will give a subpar experience anyway...
[11:37] <flexiondotorg> larsu, No, it works well. Just the panel issue really.
[11:37] <flexiondotorg> larsu, What do you forsee as subpar?
[11:38] <larsu> flexiondotorg: well, you do have a fork, so presumably that's what you want people to use, no?
[11:38] <larsu> flexiondotorg: that merge request contains much more than the panel issue
[11:39] <flexiondotorg> larsu, The fork was mostly because of the panel issue to start with. Since then I've overridden the symbolic icons with full color icons and changed the orange highlighting to green.
[11:39] <flexiondotorg> larsu, In essence Amiant-MATE and Radiant-MATE are 99% of Ambiance and Radiance. Just with green hinting and full colour icons.
[11:41] <larsu> flexiondotorg: so it seems that merging the panel fixes into Ambiance is enough?
[11:41] <flexiondotorg> larsu, Yes. I think so.
[11:42] <larsu> flexiondotorg: that sounds much more reasonable. Mind updating the MR (or making a new one)?
[11:42] <flexiondotorg> larsu, OK. I'll do it sometime this week.
[11:42] <larsu> thanks
[12:07] <larsu> Laney: I guess there's no upstream bug for the menubar patches we have in totem?
[12:08] <larsu> there doesn't even seem to be a launchpad bug?
[12:08] <Laney> larsu: I can't remember, sorry, darkxst did them
[12:09] <larsu> no worries
[12:09] <larsu> just working my way through this issue just now
[12:09] <Laney> I guess we could submit it once this issue is fixed and see what happens
[12:10] <larsu> right
[12:50] <Trevinho> mpt: sure
[13:11] <Laney> desrt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11078996/ ?
[13:11] <Laney> (tracker's testsuite broke with new glib)
[13:11] <Laney> also, and more importantly, hello!
[13:12] <desrt> good morning :)
[13:12] <Laney> good weekend?
[13:12] <desrt> Laney: who wrote this patch?
[13:12] <Laney> me
[13:12] <desrt> Laney: yup
[13:12] <Laney> think of it as an opening offer
[13:13] <desrt> your patch is suspicious...
[13:13] <desrt> ah.  i think it's right, though
[13:14] <Laney> this: https://git.gnome.org/browse/tracker/tree/tests/libtracker-miner/tracker-monitor-test.c#n638 is what breaks
[13:14] <desrt> i just wonder about the case directly above
[13:14] <Laney> we now get a MOVED instead of DELETED
[13:14] <desrt> i guess we have a testcase that expects non-NULL 'other' for MOVED events?
[13:14] <Laney> indeed
[13:14] <desrt> seems perfectly reasonable
[13:14] <desrt> thanks!
[13:14] <Laney> you want a bug?
[13:15] <desrt> not the first small issue like this that has been found in that monster tower of switch statements
[13:15] <desrt> please do
[13:15] <Laney> okay
[13:15]  * Laney goes to put shorts on first (H)
[13:16] <Laney> apparently it's 19
[13:18] <davmor2> Laney: no it's definitely the 11th not the 19th
[13:18]  * Laney draws a willy on davmor2's back in mayonnaise and ties him out under the sun
[13:18] <Laney> hush!
[13:19] <davmor2> Laney: what sun it's cloudy here
[13:19] <Laney> :( the west midlands :(
[13:21] <davmor2> Laney: oh oh oh SUN admittedly between levels of cloud but SUN :)
[13:21] <davmor2> ah gone again
[13:23]  * Laney is going to eat lunch outside
[13:23] <didrocks> enjoy Laney!
[13:23] <Laney> didrocks: !!!
[13:23] <Laney> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2996944 is this true?
[13:29] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, that's why I delayed my run for at least another hour :p
[13:29] <didrocks> no cloud though from my window, just sun
[14:08] <mitya57> desrt: Hi, what is the status of bug 1222053? I see it's linked to a blueprint – does that mean you are still going to implement it?
[14:08] <desrt> mitya57: in theory it's on my TODO list :)
[14:09] <mitya57> desrt: Good! Are you going to use Alberts' patch or do it in a different way?
[14:09] <desrt> the patch i reviewed was insufficient for the reasons i mentioned in the review
[14:09] <desrt> so it won't go...
[14:09] <mitya57> Ok, thanks
[14:30] <nessita> tseliot, hey, last week I reported issues with the ubuntu splash screen and the passphrase for unlocking the hard drive, still having the issue, this is the logs you requested from last Friday https://pastebin.canonical.com/131051/
[14:31] <nessita> tseliot, this is from today https://pastebin.canonical.com/131121/. On boot, the splash screen looks "ugly" and the prompt for drive encryption password is not shown until I touch some key from the keyboard
[14:32] <nessita> when I do that, and enter the correct passphrase, the splash screen gets stuck with a blinking cursor (it does not finish booting at all)
[14:59] <Laney> Trevinho: gnome-session is (should be) fixed again in vivid-proposed btw
[14:59] <Laney> just saw your comment
[15:00]  * Laney copies that to wubbly walrus
[15:02]  * qengho afk lunch with son.
[15:07] <Trevinho> Laney: thanks
[15:07] <Laney> Trevinho: can you close that other alt-f2 environment bug if it's fixed by this?
[15:08] <Trevinho> Laney: we'd need to include in the gnome-session upstart script a way to export the XDG_MENU_PREFIX
[15:08] <Trevinho> Laney: I need to check it
[15:10] <Laney> ok, no idea what XDG_MENU_PREFIX is so I'll wait and see the patch ;)
[15:10] <Trevinho> Laney: as far I've seen that's the only env variable that is not exported when running in upstart... It should be exported by gnome-session from my first google searches, but I need to check further
[15:12] <Trevinho> mh, nope...
[15:14] <Trevinho> oh, really it is... https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/scm-commits/2012-October/886745.html
[15:41] <Laney> schroot -e --all-sessions
[15:41] <Laney> <accidentally kills 20 minute old build>
[15:41] <Laney> $"£($"(£&$"£(
[15:44] <seb128> Laney, stop using the hammer ;-)
[15:46]  * Laney so lazy
[15:48]  * Laney wonders why restoring from trash in nautilus is broken on his desktop
[15:48] <Laney> but not laptop
[15:53] <Laney> the trashinfo file is right
[16:08]  * qengho back
[16:38] <mitya57> desrt: One more question: can you please reply something to Alberts' comments in gnome #746592?
[16:38] <mitya57> (We need to make some decisions on what to do for this cycle in Flashback session, so we want to at least know what the plan is.)
[16:54] <tseliot> nessita: sorry but I don't see anything suspicious in the logs
[16:57]  * didrocks is listening at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22439/ubuntu-component-store/ and at each aquarius' comment, I'm basically "+1"
[16:59] <nessita> tseliot, hey, thanks. How can we debug further? I can not login to the desktop from this installation
[17:00] <nessita> tseliot, will a screencats help? the only option I have so far is booting on recovery mode, then trying to run failsafeX option, which does not work, hitting CTRL+C on the booting screen and waiting for X to restart enough times it will show the lightdm screen
[17:01] <tseliot> nessita: last time you mentioned a bug report about plymouth, didn't you?
[17:06] <tseliot> nessita: so my question is, does plymouth work correctly if you uninstall the nvidia driver ( with --purge remove)?
[17:27] <Laney> laters!
[17:27]  * Laney goes to enjoy the end of the sun
[17:54] <nessita> tseliot, so the bug I mentioned on Friday was LP: #1359689
[17:54] <nessita> tseliot, I can try cleaning up nvidida drivers and rebooting, will do so when I'm close to EOD (right now I have too much local setups to loose)
[17:54] <nessita> tseliot, would you know by heart the package name I need to purge?
[18:27] <tseliot> nessita: try with sudo apt-get --purge remove nvidia-340
[18:28] <nessita> tseliot, ack, thanks!
[20:24] <willcooke> g'night all
[20:24] <willcooke> cheers robert_ancell