[03:04] <mappps> hi all
[05:27] <knightwise> morning mapps
[05:53] <shauno> morning knightwise
[05:57] <shauno> trying to install spotify on windows.  it's not going so well  heh
[06:12] <shauno> and that took a little under 45 minutes :|
[06:29] <RogersBlant> Morning; noob (gawd, hate that word!) here; q re replacement HDD and 14.04 LTS installation, any takers?
[06:33] <RogersBlant> Anyone?
[06:33] <nigelb> Try asking first?
[06:33] <RogersBlant> Morning Nigel - I did, pls see above :)
[06:34] <nigelb> RogersBlant: What's your question? I don't see anything in scollback.
[06:35] <RogersBlant> oFair enough :) My HDD is dying, so I've ordered a new one, it's due later today (Toshiba Satellite C855-29M laptop). problem is that this is the first brand new fresh out of the wrapping HDD I've worked with, and need to know if there are pitfals to avoid when formattting it?
[06:36] <nigelb> The last time I had to do this, there really wasn't any big pitfalls I hit that I can remember.
[06:36] <nigelb> So, I don't think so.
[06:36] <nigelb> But then, the last I did this was a year ago.
[06:38] <RogersBlant> that's a relief, thanks :) Just to clarify, though, I'm going to be using a bootable thumb drive with 14.04 LTS on it - previously, I've overwritten an existing filesystem (Fat32, then replaced with EXT3 when FAT fell over), the 14.04 installer will cope with a fresh HDD?
[06:39] <nigelb> So, I don't remember having trouble with this.
[06:39] <nigelb> I mean, logically, it shouldn't have a problem.
[06:39] <nigelb> The installer is able to format harddisks anyway.
[06:39] <nigelb> the fact that it's new shouldn't make a difference to it.
[06:39] <RogersBlant> outstanding, many thanks indeed :)
[06:59] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:02] <directhex> the installer will just create a fresh partition table and go from there. new disks are unformatted.
[07:11] <RogersBlant> ah, cool, thanks :)
[07:54] <popey> Good morning all!
[08:02] <MooDoo> howdy
[08:08] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:10] <davmor2> Morning all today is brought to you by the Letter L, For layla, lola and Liberian girl
[08:10] <bashrc> tzag
[08:12] <zmoylan-pi> and the number ∞
[08:13] <davmor2> my wife said she was going to watch Blues Brothers I said not without me so now she is going to watch lost boys so I also have that ost running around in my head
[08:14] <TwistedLucidity> They're going to remake Lost Boys
[08:14] <TwistedLucidity> ^ prediction
[08:19] <davmor2> time to kill all the film producers then
[08:28] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, just means they'll hire some nobody to produce... cheaper too probably
[08:38] <davmor2> Last fire will rise behind those eyes.....
[08:57] <foobarry> m0nkey_: tht
[08:57] <foobarry> that was me on 11s
[09:01] <foobarry> faceb99k keeps saying "waiting for 1-edge-chat.facebook.com"
[09:01] <foobarry> think they turned off too much chat
[09:01] <foobarry> even on their own site
[09:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Twilight Zone Day! 😃
[09:07] <bashrc> dodo-dodo
[09:08] <davmor2> \o/ JamesTait twiglets
[09:08] <JamesTait> Hah!
[09:09] <zmoylan-pi> shatner on a plane!! \o/
[09:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: the thing that scares me is that an entire generation will be cheering thinking this is a new sequel to a teenage vampire flick
[09:15] <JamesTait> Or a rehash of the X-Files.
[09:15] <zmoylan-pi> they are doing more x-files
[09:15] <JamesTait> I know! 🙌
[09:15] <zmoylan-pi> by the end was anyone watching x-files?
[09:15]  * JamesTait does a little dance.
[09:16] <JamesTait> I think I was, but it's a long time ago.
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> i started watching it again and seemed to have missed a lot of episodes from 7 onwards
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> *season 7
[09:20] <JamesTait> I wonder if I still have them on DVD.
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> it was funny listening to the lone gunmen talking about how the feds were eavsdropping on everything
[10:00] <davmor2> the thing I find most amusing about the x-file is in really life their beliefs are reversed, Mulder is the doubter and Scully the believer :D
[10:00] <davmor2> s/really/real
[10:23] <zmoylan-pi> was good scifi in it's day
[10:25] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: that and twin peaks and the outer limits  I think those were the 3 weird thing on tv then weren't they :D
[10:25] <zmoylan-pi> millenium and dark skies too
[10:25] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: no those were newer
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> outer limits was mid 90s too.
[10:28] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: ah no millennium was 90's I thought it was 00's
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> saw a few episodes of twin peaks but it was too weird for me
[11:22] <knightwise> morning peeps
[11:23] <popey> yo
[11:38] <diddledan> arta noon
[11:39] <MooDoo> howdy
[11:45] <diddledan> jeebers - 5TB WD Elephants USB3.0 drive for 119.99
[11:46] <diddledan> methinks somewhat shy of a WD RED drive for NAS use
[11:46] <diddledan> they like using their greenies
[11:46] <diddledan> last WD NAS all-in-one unit I bought was a greenie
[11:46] <popey> \o/ re-heated left-over lasagne for lunch
[11:54] <diddledan> excuse that it's graham clueless, but funny: http://www.welivesecurity.com/2015/05/11/hacker-execution
[12:00] <MooDoo> diddledan: i've got 2x WD reds for my storage server, they see ok :D
[12:00] <diddledan> MooDoo: yeah, I'm using reds in mine
[12:00] <MooDoo> diddledan: mine are just mirrored
[12:01] <diddledan> I've got 4 in a RAIDZ (ZFS-based RAID5 equiv)
[12:02] <MooDoo> nice, my server isn't that new so it'll only hangle 2 drives
[12:02] <MooDoo> *handle
[12:02] <diddledan> aah
[12:02] <MooDoo> and only max of 1tb lol
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> 1tb... remember when 1tb was a lot? :-)
[12:06] <zmoylan-pi> i think you can buy usb drives that big now.  but you'd need deep pockets for next few years
[12:06] <diddledan> hmm?
[12:10] <moreati> A snip at £676 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc7k-DwrITI&feature=youtu.be
[12:10] <moreati> er, I mean  http://www.amazon.co.uk/HyperX-DataTraveler-Predator-1TB-DTHXP30/dp/B00E65QM8O
[12:13] <davmor2> moreati: how do
[12:14] <moreati> davmor2: fine thanks, good to see you're alive still
[12:15] <diddledan> byeck that's a big flashy stick
[12:16] <elfy> I'd buy 10 - but it's grey
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> usb chunky...
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> and they only have 7 in stock
[12:21] <knightwise> yo peeps
[12:28] <shauno> I Think he's stuck in a loop ;)
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> stand back, i'm an engineer... ::thumps knightwise's connection::
[12:34] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: that's not gonna work here use this hammer
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> no no, first a thump, THEN the hammer, THEN the big hammer
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> but it is acceptable to use a fubar in an emergency
[12:35]  * davmor2 lines up his hammers muhahahahahahahaha
[12:39] <diddledan> our procedure for recycling dead hard disks involves a hammer
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> i keep meaning to shoot dead drives with bow and arrow after a hammering to be sure to be sure
[12:43] <popey> I just dd zeroes over them
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> what if they're not running well enough to 0 like that?
[12:45] <shauno> use a sharpie
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> and write really really small? :-)
[12:45] <shauno> yes :)
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> just remember to use permanent marker otherwise it would just be silly :-)
[12:46] <shauno> actually, I bet platers could make for some pretty spirographs.  platter, spirograph & the pointy end of a compass
[12:50] <popey> i usually dismantle them
[12:51] <popey> and maybe scratch the disks a bit and put them in different bins
[12:51] <popey> i haven't had many drives die though, which is surprising given how many I own.
[12:51] <zmoylan-pi> i have had drives of every make, ilk and type fail.  some spectacurally
[12:52] <diddledan> maxtor ftw!
[12:52] <diddledan> :-p
[12:52] <shauno> I've only tried that once.  I wanted to fire it up with the cover off so I could see how fast thousands of rpm actually is
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> at my first job they did open 5-10mb hard drives to fix them...
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> when they cost a few grand it was worth the effort
[12:55] <diddledan> oil-change
[12:55] <diddledan> :-D
[12:56] <TwistedLucidity> I've put my HDD in a vice to compress the data...
[14:11] <diddledan> folks, this is fun: https://poststatus.com/the-trojan-emoji/
[14:12] <diddledan> in other words: hoh lee pancake (crape)
[14:12] <diddledan> crepe**
[14:12] <diddledan> I can't spel foreign words
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> which is most of english so you do have a problem... :-P
[14:13] <davmor2> diddledan: or words would of been enough there :D
[14:13] <diddledan> indeed
[14:14] <diddledan> davmor2: >.<
[14:14] <diddledan> seriously though, that is a scary article
[14:15] <diddledan> the entire world was broken for years
[14:20] <davmor2> diddledan: people have been using windows for decades of course the world is broken :P
[14:23] <diddledan> -_-
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> this is the os they use on british subs isn't it?
[14:25] <diddledan> it took me ages to realise that todo was something you needed to do rather than some random thing that I had no clue what it was "what is a toedoe[phonetic]?"
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> a person i worked with yonks back pronounced menu minu to the confusion of all.  was very inspector closeau
[14:26] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: they use windows nt on the subs
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> that's... reassuring... sortof... not really...
[14:26] <davmor2> diddledan: todo it's like a dojo for origami right?
[14:27] <diddledan> as in nt4 (the recent subs) or maybe even 3.51 :-p
[14:27] <zmoylan-pi> running ie3 for interface...
[14:27] <diddledan> davmor2: I figured it was something to do with feet
[14:28] <diddledan> ie3? you mean mosaic, right?
[14:28] <diddledan> I remember we had mosaic installed on one pc at school - that was the internet pc
[14:28] <diddledan> had a dialup modem
[14:29] <zmoylan-pi> i had arachne dos browser installed on a 286 with 640k of ram.  boy did that take a while...
[14:29] <diddledan> after I left in 1999 they actually decided to update the network with a proper shared internet connection (adsl I believe)
[14:30] <diddledan> back in those days a proxy server was almost a requisite due to the bandwidth issues of going over the wan
[14:30] <diddledan> MS ISA server prolly
[14:31] <diddledan> that's an acronym for "Internet Security and Acceleration"
[15:08] <davmor2> diddledan: Industry Standard Architecture surely
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: from way back?
[15:48] <diddledan> davmor2: not the proxy server, no
[15:49] <diddledan> the proxy server was/is Internet Security and Acceleration as I said
[15:50] <zmoylan-pi> some vague weird name.  does sound very microsofty
[16:06] <MartijnVdS> acceleration. hah
[16:06] <zmoylan-pi> well, compared to it's normal speed...
[16:13] <zmoylan-pi> a shared isdn line for an office... the bytes really flew...
[16:14] <diddledan> especially in split-line mode where someone's using the second line for a voice call
[16:15] <diddledan> I remember when 36kbps dialup was fast
[16:15] <foobarry> is prometheus any good? was on telly last night
[16:15] <diddledan> foobarry: I enjoyed it but I'm not a movie snob
[16:15] <diddledan> foobarry: I have friends that prolly hate it because they are
[16:17] <elfy> which is as good as any reason to watch it :p
[16:18] <diddledan> I tend to find something enjoyable in most hollywood stuff
[16:19] <diddledan> I don't actively look for shod in a movie to prove that I'm oh so awesome because I saw that the story doesn't quite tie-in with science
[16:20] <diddledan> it must be really difficult for some of these people who mark movies as "the worst thing since JFK" or some such to live with their huge egos
[16:20] <foobarry> igenerally don't like hollywood stuff due to lack of story and character
[16:20] <foobarry> but i'm open to seeing if i like it
[16:21] <zmoylan-pi> hollywood has a tendency to cover up lack of plot with cgi
[16:22] <diddledan> really I think prometheus is more of a stepping stone into a new story arc in the same universe as alien - it provides a bit of genesis for the alien creatures as a crossover and then goes it's own way to lay down characters for the parallel story
[16:22] <diddledan> of course I'll admit that the alien vs predator films were bad bad
[16:23] <diddledan> a shocking attempt at monetising two products in one outing
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> the books were good
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> _for_ cheesy pulp scifi
[16:26] <foobarry> this C,H.I.P $9 kickstarter
[16:27] <foobarry> whats the shipping to UK?
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> the pocketchip looks very interesting
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> someone said #20
[16:27] <zmoylan-pi> but i'm sure someone will stock locally if they are successful
[16:54] <Laney> student loan -> direct debit
[16:54] <Laney> this sucker is nearly paid off
[16:54] <popey> \o/
[16:56] <elfy> indeed \o/
[16:56] <davmor2> Laney: \o/
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> you'll be able to afford brand name noodles!! \o/ :-)
[16:56] <Laney> I say nearly but it's actually like 11 months
[16:57] <davmor2> Laney: in comparison to the how many years you have been paying it?
[16:57] <Laney> graduated in 2008
[16:58] <elfy> that's nearly enough to call it nearly in my book
[16:58] <davmor2> Laney: yeah 11 months is close enough to nearly then :)
[16:58] <diddledan> less than a year ftw!
[16:59] <Laney> Don't know why these shenanigans are necessary
[16:59] <Laney> SLC only learns how much you've paid from HMRC once per year
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> got to control those rebellious students...
[16:59] <Laney> so you can end up overpaying until they get told the next april ...
[17:00] <Laney> can't possibly imagine how this could be done differently ...
[17:02] <davmor2> Laney: you realise of course that as soon as it is paid off, you will get spam mail off every credit card known to man plus every car company as your credit rating goes through the roof :D
[17:02] <Laney> haha
[17:03] <Laney> I'll be locking it away in a very safe cash isa for the forseeable
[17:03] <Laney> until I can buy that van and take a decade off to go climbing in the USA
[17:03] <diddledan> a decade?!
[17:03] <davmor2> Laney: you'll want something a bit more comfy than a van :D
[17:03] <diddledan> blimmin'eck
[17:04] <Laney> haha
[17:04] <Laney> (one month)
[17:04] <davmor2> Laney: you're not married are you?
[17:04] <Laney> (okay, okay, I'll go for a weekend before a sprint)
[17:04] <Laney> (don't sack me!)
[17:04] <Laney> nope
[17:04] <davmor2> see how I can tell
[17:05] <Laney> take off with your beloved to climb every day
[17:05] <Laney> what could be better?
[17:05] <davmor2> Laney: no it was more you had money you could put in an isa :D
[17:07] <Laney> so I can buy a 200ft marble statue of davmor2
[17:07] <diddledan> that's a large ....
[17:07] <Laney> with a frickin laser beam attached to its head
[17:07] <diddledan> lol
[17:08] <diddledan> in the eyes!
[17:08] <diddledan> laserbeam eyes ftw
[17:08] <davmor2> Laney: now take your pinky from the corner of your mouth
[17:24] <daftykins> do you folk know of any mass mailing providers you can recommend? a mate that runs an art gallery is picking one for sending out business lark, she mentioned mailchimp so far
[18:16] <popey> daftykins: mailchimp is the one that always comes to mind, yeah
[18:17] <daftykins> ty sir
[18:18] <diddledan> at work we use something called "smartfocus"
[18:19] <diddledan> http://www.smartfocus.com/ ("the message cloud")
[18:19] <awilkins> Need : an app that will make a reading list of files within a structure and keep a list of the ones you've checkboxed as "read"
[18:53] <diddledan> err, huh? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32696505
[18:53] <popey> he's comedy gold
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> wait what
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> "resignation rejected"?
[18:54] <OerHeks> :-D
[18:54] <diddledan> seems he's not allowed to leave
[18:54] <diddledan> they're forcing him against his will to remain in charge
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> well, as long as you still use FPTP he's mostly harmless ;)
[18:55] <OerHeks> His wife, of course
[18:55] <shauno> that was the plan anyway. he said he was going to stand down but still run for party leadership
[18:55] <shauno> so it's kinda like .. he motioned for a vote of no confidence in himself, and the vote failed
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> "Please stop trusting me" "NO"
[19:00] <shauno> well, as much as I detest the guy
[19:01] <shauno> he didn't really fail.  they got 30%? of the vote?
[19:01] <diddledan> that's more worrying about the people that voted
[19:01] <popey> if we had PR I doubt he would have got quite that many votes
[19:02] <shauno> I'd hope not
[19:02] <diddledan> pull-request?
[19:02] <diddledan> :-p
[19:03] <daftykins> that's what all Guernseys come with
[19:03] <shauno> but I guess what I'm saying is no-one expects the leader of the green party to step down either.  the small parties got small parts.  it's not so mucha  failure, as simply reality not matching their optimism
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> pull requests for lawmaking
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> imagine the code reviews
[19:03] <diddledan> and the inline commentsw
[19:04] <daftykins> and the variable names
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> and the Makefile
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> I seem to remember someone was creating a collection of duck photos on G+?
[19:05] <diddledan> duckies!
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I found some on a bike ride today :)
[19:05] <shauno> did you ring your bell furiously and then elbow them?  or is that just amsterdam :)
[19:06] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fg7w49UnGA
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that's mostly just amsterdam
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> shauno: my bike doesn't work on water very well :P
[19:07] <shauno> oh hey, MartijnVdS .. I have some questions for you :)  (sensible ones  heh)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> heh
[19:07] <shauno> one, philip tap, curious how you use yours .. I can't seem to create button profiles that toggle?
[19:07] <diddledan> you're letting the side down, shauno !
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> shauno: install "TapApp"
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it uses the Hue API slightly differently, and make the button toggle-capable
[19:08] <shauno> ooh, interesting
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> (I have mine set to toggle "last scene" and "all off", one button is "Random colours", and one is "dining room lights only, 75%")
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> (the dining room one is a toggle too)
[19:09] <shauno> yeah, that's more what I imagined it doing.  well, sans the colours, I haven't found much use for them
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> shauno: they have seasonal themes too :)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> shauno: with halloween, you could get "lightning" effects and random blue/orange hues
[19:10] <shauno> similar question, I got a harmony remote, and can't figure out if there's a better way to customize it.  their app is more than a little annoying
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> do you have one of the new (web based) hubs that also talks to the Hue properly?
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> Or one of the XMPP ones that doesnt?
[19:11] <shauno> just a remote, no hub
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> ah.. haven't customized those
[19:12] <shauno> hm, okay
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> but the hub (especially the newest model) has a proper documented API
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> http://myharmony.com/discover/harmony-api/
[19:15] <shauno> interesting.  might have to look into the hubs if I can't get this to behave then
[19:28] <shauno> hm, the philips api looks a lot more interesting than last I looked
[20:15] <mappps> hi all
[20:20] <mappps> my parcels arrived yay
[20:21] <zmoylan-pi> what's todays parcel?
[20:22] <mappps> new portable charger 15000mAH and a cable with both iphone charging connectors old 30pin and lightning and micro usb for droid
[20:22] <mappps> however not sure how good it will be..ive had unofficial iphone cables before..after a week they stop working
[20:22] <mappps> cant remember the reason i guess official cables have some kinda chip or something..but strange it worked o for a week
[20:22] <mappps> ?
[20:27] <zmoylan-pi> that's your punishment for not using true "it just works" apple hardware
[20:28] <mappps> heh
[20:50] <diddledan> phew
[20:50] <diddledan> crisis over
[20:51] <diddledan> mysql upgrade didn't work so I was frantically fixing a live system during the maintenance window
[20:53] <diddledan> it didn't help that, yes, it was one of my beloved gentoos
[22:59] <daftykins> diddledan: you've not murdered all of those yet! :P
[22:59] <diddledan> :-)
[22:59] <diddledan> I'm trying
[23:00] <diddledan> so far the 10 physical servers are now ubuntified
[23:00] <diddledan> it's just the vms now
[23:03] <daftykins> ah-ha
[23:13] <diddledan> just got done watching "debug" - it's an indie scifi - not bad
[23:13] <daftykins> hrmm
[23:13] <daftykins> general premise?
[23:14] <diddledan> 6 computer hacker prisoners are sent to a derilict space ship to delete any errant processes in the computer systems and reboot the ship ready for recommissioning. the ship has other ideas.
[23:16] <diddledan> if you ever watched stargate atlantis then the film is by david hewlett (dr mckay from atlantis) and stars as the ship jason mamoa (ronan from atlantis)
[23:17] <daftykins> aaaah neat
[23:17] <daftykins> that sounds good, mmm
[23:26] <diddledan> hmm, plex just treated me to a trailer for "babadook"
[23:27] <diddledan> looks utterly frightening
[23:28] <daftykins> :D
[23:28] <daftykins> changed your trousers i hope