| m0nkey_ | alright, stick with lts or go 15.04? | 01:00 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | depends on your hardware really | 01:04 |
| daftykins | if it's new you might benefit from running 3.19, otherwise not especially | 01:05 |
| Azelphur | Can anyone explain to me how this makes any sense http://pastebin.com/L0yfHSr4 look at line 87 and 147 onwards | 01:13 |
| ali1234 | yes | 01:17 |
| Azelphur | please do | 01:18 |
| ali1234 | log_daemon_msg is overwriting the echo output | 01:18 |
| ali1234 | /sherlock | 01:19 |
| Azelphur | oh | 01:19 |
| Azelphur | sadly that doesn't help me with the real issues :( | 01:19 |
| ali1234 | well, ask your real question? ;) | 01:19 |
| Azelphur | it runs deluged as user deluge, not debian-deluged, and it doesn't run it with DAEMON_ARGS | 01:19 |
| ali1234 | seriously i'd be curious to know if i;m write | 01:20 |
| ali1234 | please pipe the output into hexdump -C | 01:20 |
| ali1234 | *right | 01:20 |
| ali1234 | too much serial port programming today | 01:20 |
| ali1234 | also, use systemd | 01:20 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: lol, if I do sudo /etc/init.d/deluged stop | hexdump -C, hexdump doesn't catch the output | 01:21 |
| Azelphur | (but if I use waffle instead of stop, it does) | 01:21 |
| ali1234 | none at all? | 01:22 |
| Azelphur | $ sudo /etc/init.d/deluged stop 2| hexdump -C | 01:22 |
| Azelphur | stop: Unknown instance: | 01:22 |
| ali1234 | then it's something weird in one of the files which is sourced | 01:22 |
| ali1234 | ie /lib/lsb/init-functions | 01:22 |
| ali1234 | seriously, just use systemd | 01:23 |
| Azelphur | well this is the init script that ships with the package | 01:23 |
| ali1234 | report a bug then | 01:23 |
| Azelphur | this is probably due to me upgrading through many versions and stuff changing | 01:23 |
| ali1234 | probably | 01:23 |
| ali1234 | i suggest turning on trace | 01:24 |
| ali1234 | i don't remember how though | 01:24 |
| ali1234 | -x on first line | 01:24 |
| Azelphur | ? | 01:25 |
| Azelphur | oh I see, this is useful | 01:25 |
| Azelphur | http://pastebin.com/19q8Yuek | 01:26 |
| ali1234 | riiiight | 01:26 |
| ali1234 | looks like + . /lib/lsb/init-functions does everything | 01:27 |
| ali1234 | everything after that line is probably just there for backwards compat | 01:27 |
| Azelphur | yea, and looks like its converted it into an upstart script | 01:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 01:27 |
| Azelphur | this suddenly explains everything | 01:27 |
| ali1234 | so upstart handles known params like start and stop, otherwise it falls through to the initscript | 01:28 |
| diddledan | lmao - kingsmen (movie) is hilarious | 01:31 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: and I finally found out where all my bizarre deluge behaviour came from | 01:53 |
| Azelphur | in days long past, deluge-web used to be a separate process, apparently it's part of deluged now, however the init script never got removed...so I had deluged and deluge-web both fighting and making everything break. | 01:53 |
| ali1234 | i lolled http://paste.ubuntu.com/11088403/ | 02:20 |
| daftykins | XD | 02:21 |
| ali1234 | at least i know that commands end with \x0a | 02:22 |
| ali1234 | "," appears to do something as well, it prints nothing at all | 02:23 |
| ali1234 | bingo... RST first command found | 04:13 |
| ali1234 | oh look, EPR and EPW again | 04:17 |
| knightwise | morning peeps | 05:12 |
| mappps | hey | 05:38 |
| mappps | what you doing | 05:38 |
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| MooDoo | morning all | 07:09 |
| MartijnVdS | \o moo | 07:09 |
| MooDoo | :) | 07:10 |
| MooDoo | seems like ubuntu/canonical are going to take over the world - snappy powered fridge? cool | 07:23 |
| MartijnVdS | (I kind of installed Debian on my laptop though) | 07:24 |
| directhex | i have no interest in a non-debian-based ubuntu | 07:26 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 07:27 |
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| ali1234 | yeah me too | 07:28 |
| ali1234 | how apps are supposed to work together when they are isolated in containers has still not been satisfactorily explained imo | 07:29 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: i like debian, use it on my storage server | 07:36 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:51 |
| knightwise | morning peeps | 08:03 |
| MooDoo | morning | 08:03 |
| * knightwise watching old star trek eps on netflix | 08:03 | |
| zmoylan-pi | sounds like work for the clipboard ali1234, a lot of work :-P | 08:04 |
| TwistedLucidity | Things like Snappy are really neat, no dependency version hell. | 08:04 |
| TwistedLucidity | But as you solve that problem, you introduce others (bloat etc) | 08:05 |
| TwistedLucidity | So now you add de-dupe, which bring in another problem (load) | 08:05 |
| TwistedLucidity | And so on | 08:05 |
| TwistedLucidity | Guess it all depends on where your biggest pain point is | 08:05 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: it's right there | 08:07 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:07 |
| TwistedLucidity | I'm mildly concerned about it (mostly as it's stepping away from Debian) but I want to see how things shake out. | 08:08 |
| TwistedLucidity | There was so much mis-guided doom-mongering about systemd, I expect to see the same over Snappy. | 08:09 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: sorry I missed the start of the conversation :) | 08:09 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: It was about how wonderful I am | 08:09 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: hahahahaha, let me put you at your ease there as I pick myself up of the floor and wipe the spray coffee off my monitor......hahahahahahahaha | 08:10 |
| TwistedLucidity | Just hear about MS's phone-convergence offering, sounds familiar | 08:13 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: did you see the kernel panic auto rollback video? | 08:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: For Snappy? No. I saw some comment about it, but didn't really investigate it. | 08:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | Got a link? | 08:16 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: let me have a dig | 08:16 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: Found one | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | i've got a question | 08:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | Search engines are good - I should be less lazy | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | suppose there's a bug that causes a kernel panic once in a blue moon | 08:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | ali1234: Well don't lose it. That question could be worth money some day! | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | and it's existed since day 1 | 08:17 |
| bashrc | good moaning | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | will i eventually end up back at snappy version 1? | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | what is a kernel panic happens because i spilled tea in my computer? does my OS get rolled back then? | 08:18 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHEy5saBa8 | 08:18 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: Ta | 08:18 |
| bashrc | so what's the difference between snappy and click? | 08:18 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:21 |
| davmor2 | bashrc: not much, snappy has enhanced the click package system if you like it is click2.0 | 08:22 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: hey dude how's life | 08:22 |
| ali1234 | bashrc: the big difference is that click was designed to package phone apps to be run on a deb-based system, where as with snappy the whole OS is packaged like a phone app | 08:26 |
| bigcalm | Hi davmor2. It's busy and quiet. Work is keeping me occupied, but Hayley is in Turkey for a week, so somewhat quiet around here | 08:26 |
| * bigcalm feels like a bachelor but without the perks | 08:27 | |
| zmoylan-pi | get that printed on a t-shirt :-) | 08:29 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: hahaha | 08:29 |
| brobostigon | i saw a good tshirt yesterday, its said on the front, "she who shall be obayed" with an arrow pointing in one direction. | 08:34 |
| diplo | Common things people forget to backup ? | 08:35 |
| ali1234 | server host key :) | 08:35 |
| diplo | Copied /etc .ssh and .config | 08:35 |
| diplo | And most of /home | 08:35 |
| ali1234 | mysql databases in /var | 08:35 |
| diplo | Dumped my databases | 08:35 |
| diplo | mysqldump, but that'll do | 08:35 |
| diplo | Can't think of anything else, but I _always_ miss something | 08:35 |
| MartijnVdS | dont forget to make a copy of /dev/zero | 08:36 |
| ali1234 | proprietary software in /opt | 08:36 |
| diplo | dpkg --list export just to be sure | 08:36 |
| ali1234 | /root if you roll that way | 08:36 |
| diplo | nah I don't, /opt I'm happy with not copying | 08:37 |
| diplo | Think I'm good | 08:37 |
| diplo | Most stuff is in version control, most db's are remote and copied locally | 08:38 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy International Nurses Day! 😃 | 09:09 |
| MartijnVdS | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HelloNurse ? | 09:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | a very underapreciated profession | 09:10 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, it's like you'd prepared in advance! | 09:10 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNhuvox43I | 09:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | or is just really really into nurses. senior nurses, senior administrative nurses... | 09:11 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: maybe I did :P | 09:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | I just want to know where all theing "Internal Day of Chocolate Biccies" come from.... | 09:16 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: I must be dumb, I really didn't follow that video at all. I'll look again at lunch when I can give it my full attention. | 09:21 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: it's the A/B rollback. So initially there was an A it was working, the reboot happened on B, B kernel panic so it then fired A back up | 09:22 |
| foobarry | bought some expensive foxs choc fudge crunch...disppaointly they taste just like bourbon | 09:23 |
| TwistedLucidity | Ah, a one character difference is easy to miss when you are trying to watch a video (why no sound?) and work at the same time | 09:23 |
| TwistedLucidity | "This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing." <- ominous | 09:24 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: because there isn't any, I think and audio description of what is happening would of helped | 09:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | Kinda what I mean "He we do A, now we do B...see the panic? And look, here comes A to the rescue" (cue bugles) | 09:25 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: the old testament has a whole new meaning when you read bugles as bulges | 09:27 |
| foobarry | http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/3doodler-20-3d-printing-pen-n03eb | 09:28 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: It's a little known fact that any text or movie can be improved by replacing strategic words with "pants" | 09:28 |
| foobarry | didn't quite set the world alight as hoped | 09:28 |
| foobarry | i've moved on to jelly usb switch now | 09:28 |
| foobarry | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joylabz/makey-makey-go-invent-everywhere-invent-now/video_share?ref=video | 09:29 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: "I've moved on to jelly pants now" <- see? | 09:29 |
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| * bigcalm throws a Desperate Dan Cow Pie at davmor2 | 10:43 | |
| * davmor2 catches it, throws it in the oven and scoffs it up yum for lunch | 10:44 | |
| zmoylan-pi | no horses were hurt making the pie... /disclaimer | 10:46 |
| bigcalm | It's going to be quiet on Wednesday | 10:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | coz? | 10:46 |
| davmor2 | I'm not going to eat pie | 10:48 |
| bigcalm | Pie hater :P | 10:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | more pie for everyone else \o/ | 10:50 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Just too much to do | 10:54 |
| foobarry | come on sunshine! | 11:31 |
| foobarry | shine on my lawn | 11:31 |
| zmoylan-pi | shine on foobarry lawn... | 11:31 |
| * davmor2 hears the distant rumble of thunder from foobarry 's direction | 11:32 | |
| foobarry | saw some green shoots | 11:32 |
| foobarry | in my soil patch | 11:32 |
| foobarry | we have been lacking in sunshine lately | 11:33 |
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| ujjain | how can I see a timestamp of a debpackage i have installed? | 14:26 |
| MooDoo | http://linuxcommando.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/find-out-when-package-was-last.html | 14:27 |
| MooDoo | both rhel and debian i believe | 14:27 |
| diddledan | this looks hilarious: https://youtu.be/X4bF_quwNtw | 16:08 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: you should watch mortdecai | 16:13 |
| Laney | SOREEEEEEEEEN | 16:41 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 16:43 |
| diddledan | shh, doreen's eating her soreen | 16:43 |
| Laney | well | 16:44 |
| Laney | i couldn't actually find it so i got some cereal instead | 16:44 |
| zmoylan-pi | soreen green is made of doreen? | 16:47 |
| diddledan | nah, that's soylent | 16:51 |
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| ali1234 | soreen is horrible sickly soggy squashed bread with bits of hard dried chewy stuff in it | 18:01 |
| ali1234 | the smell of it is enough to make me retch | 18:02 |
| diddledan | apparently it's ten years ago today that the "leeroy jenkins" video first appeared | 18:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | back when online gaming was new...ish | 19:12 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
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