[01:00] <m0nkey_> alright, stick with lts or go 15.04?
[01:04] <daftykins> depends on your hardware really
[01:05] <daftykins> if it's new you might benefit from running 3.19, otherwise not especially
[01:13] <Azelphur> Can anyone explain to me how this makes any sense http://pastebin.com/L0yfHSr4 look at line 87 and 147 onwards
[01:17] <ali1234> yes
[01:18] <Azelphur> please do
[01:18] <ali1234> log_daemon_msg is overwriting the echo output
[01:19] <ali1234>  /sherlock
[01:19] <Azelphur> oh
[01:19] <Azelphur> sadly that doesn't help me with the real issues :(
[01:19] <ali1234> well, ask your real question? ;)
[01:19] <Azelphur> it runs deluged as user deluge, not debian-deluged, and it doesn't run it with DAEMON_ARGS
[01:20] <ali1234> seriously i'd be curious to know if i;m write
[01:20] <ali1234> please pipe the output into hexdump -C
[01:20] <ali1234> *right
[01:20] <ali1234> too much serial port programming today
[01:20] <ali1234> also, use systemd
[01:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: lol, if I do sudo /etc/init.d/deluged stop | hexdump -C, hexdump doesn't catch the output
[01:21] <Azelphur> (but if I use waffle instead of stop, it does)
[01:22] <ali1234> none at all?
[01:22] <Azelphur> $ sudo /etc/init.d/deluged stop 2| hexdump -C
[01:22] <Azelphur> stop: Unknown instance:
[01:22] <ali1234> then it's something weird in one of the files which is sourced
[01:22] <ali1234> ie /lib/lsb/init-functions
[01:23] <ali1234> seriously, just use systemd
[01:23] <Azelphur> well this is the init script that ships with the package
[01:23] <ali1234> report a bug then
[01:23] <Azelphur> this is probably due to me upgrading through many versions and stuff changing
[01:23] <ali1234> probably
[01:24] <ali1234> i suggest turning on trace
[01:24] <ali1234> i don't remember how though
[01:24] <ali1234> -x on first line
[01:25] <Azelphur> ?
[01:25] <Azelphur> oh I see, this is useful
[01:26] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/19q8Yuek
[01:26] <ali1234> riiiight
[01:27] <ali1234> looks like + . /lib/lsb/init-functions does everything
[01:27] <ali1234> everything after that line is probably just there for backwards compat
[01:27] <Azelphur> yea, and looks like its converted it into an upstart script
[01:27] <ali1234> yeah
[01:27] <Azelphur> this suddenly explains everything
[01:28] <ali1234> so upstart handles known params like start and stop, otherwise it falls through to the initscript
[01:31] <diddledan> lmao - kingsmen (movie) is hilarious
[01:53] <Azelphur> ali1234: and I finally found out where all my bizarre deluge behaviour came from
[01:53] <Azelphur> in days long past, deluge-web used to be a separate process, apparently it's part of deluged now, however the init script never got removed...so I had deluged and deluge-web both fighting and making everything break.
[02:20] <ali1234> i lolled http://paste.ubuntu.com/11088403/
[02:21] <daftykins> XD
[02:22] <ali1234> at least i know that commands end with \x0a
[02:23] <ali1234> "," appears to do something as well, it prints nothing at all
[04:13] <ali1234> bingo... RST first command found
[04:17] <ali1234> oh look, EPR and EPW again
[05:12] <knightwise> morning peeps
[05:38] <mappps> hey
[05:38] <mappps> what you doing
[07:09] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:09] <MartijnVdS> \o moo
[07:10] <MooDoo> :)
[07:23] <MooDoo> seems like ubuntu/canonical are going to take over the world - snappy powered fridge?  cool
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> (I kind of installed Debian on my laptop though)
[07:26] <directhex> i have no interest in a non-debian-based ubuntu
[07:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:28] <ali1234> yeah me too
[07:29] <ali1234> how apps are supposed to work together when they are isolated in containers has still not been satisfactorily explained imo
[07:36] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: i like debian, use it on my storage server
[07:51] <diplo> Morning all
[08:03] <knightwise> morning peeps
[08:03] <MooDoo> morning
[08:03]  * knightwise watching old star trek eps on netflix
[08:04] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like work for the clipboard ali1234, a lot of work :-P
[08:04] <TwistedLucidity> Things like Snappy are really neat, no dependency version hell.
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> But as you solve that problem, you introduce others (bloat etc)
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> So now you add de-dupe, which bring in another problem (load)
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> And so on
[08:05] <TwistedLucidity> Guess it all depends on where your biggest pain point is
[08:07] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: it's right there
[08:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <TwistedLucidity> I'm mildly concerned about it (mostly as it's stepping away from Debian) but I want to see how things shake out.
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> There was so much mis-guided doom-mongering about systemd, I expect to see the same over Snappy.
[08:09] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: sorry I missed the start of the conversation :)
[08:09] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: It was about how wonderful I am
[08:10] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: hahahahaha, let me put you at your ease there as I pick myself up of the floor and wipe the spray coffee off my monitor......hahahahahahahaha
[08:13] <TwistedLucidity> Just hear about MS's phone-convergence offering, sounds familiar
[08:15] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: did you see the kernel panic auto rollback video?
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: For Snappy? No. I saw some comment about it, but didn't really investigate it.
[08:16] <TwistedLucidity> Got a link?
[08:16] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: let me have a dig
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Found one
[08:17] <ali1234> i've got a question
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> Search engines are good - I should be less lazy
[08:17] <ali1234> suppose there's a bug that causes a kernel panic once in a blue moon
[08:17] <TwistedLucidity> ali1234: Well don't lose it. That question could be worth money some day!
[08:17] <ali1234> and it's existed since day 1
[08:17] <bashrc> good moaning
[08:17] <ali1234> will i eventually end up back at snappy version 1?
[08:18] <ali1234> what is a kernel panic happens because i spilled tea in my computer? does my OS get rolled back then?
[08:18] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHEy5saBa8
[08:18] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Ta
[08:18] <bashrc> so what's the difference between snappy and click?
[08:21] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:22] <davmor2> bashrc: not much, snappy has enhanced the click package system if you like it is click2.0
[08:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude how's life
[08:26] <ali1234> bashrc: the big difference is that click was designed to package phone apps to be run on a deb-based system, where as with snappy the whole OS is packaged like a phone app
[08:26] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2. It's busy and quiet. Work is keeping me occupied, but Hayley is in Turkey for a week, so somewhat quiet around here
[08:27]  * bigcalm feels like a bachelor but without the perks
[08:29] <zmoylan-pi> get that printed on a t-shirt :-)
[08:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha
[08:34] <brobostigon> i saw a good tshirt yesterday, its said on the front, "she who shall be obayed" with an arrow pointing in one direction.
[08:35] <diplo> Common things people forget to backup ?
[08:35] <ali1234> server host key :)
[08:35] <diplo> Copied /etc .ssh and .config
[08:35] <diplo> And most of /home
[08:35] <ali1234> mysql databases in /var
[08:35] <diplo> Dumped my databases
[08:35] <diplo> mysqldump, but that'll do
[08:35] <diplo> Can't think of anything else, but I _always_ miss something
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> dont forget to make a copy of /dev/zero
[08:36] <ali1234> proprietary software in /opt
[08:36] <diplo> dpkg --list export just to be sure
[08:36] <ali1234>  /root if you roll that way
[08:37] <diplo> nah I don't, /opt I'm happy with not copying
[08:37] <diplo> Think I'm good
[08:38] <diplo> Most stuff is in version control, most db's are remote and copied locally
[09:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Nurses Day! 😃
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HelloNurse ?
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> a very underapreciated profession
[09:10] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, it's like you'd prepared in advance!
[09:11] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNhuvox43I
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> or is just really really into nurses.  senior nurses, senior administrative nurses...
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: maybe I did :P
[09:16] <TwistedLucidity> I just want to know where all theing "Internal Day of Chocolate Biccies" come from....
[09:21] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: I must be dumb, I really didn't follow that video at all. I'll look again at lunch when I can give it my full attention.
[09:22] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: it's the A/B rollback.  So initially there was an A it was working, the reboot happened on B, B kernel panic so it then fired A back up
[09:23] <foobarry> bought some expensive foxs choc fudge crunch...disppaointly they taste just like bourbon
[09:23] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, a one character difference is easy to miss when you are trying to watch a video (why no sound?) and work at the same time
[09:24] <TwistedLucidity> "This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing." <- ominous
[09:24] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: because there isn't any, I think and audio description of what is happening would of helped
[09:25] <TwistedLucidity> Kinda what I mean "He we do A, now we do B...see the panic? And look, here comes A to the rescue" (cue bugles)
[09:27] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: the old testament has a whole new meaning when you read bugles as bulges
[09:28] <foobarry> http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/3doodler-20-3d-printing-pen-n03eb
[09:28] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: It's a little known fact that any text or movie can be improved by replacing strategic words with "pants"
[09:28] <foobarry> didn't quite set the world alight as hoped
[09:28] <foobarry> i've moved on to jelly usb switch now
[09:29] <foobarry> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joylabz/makey-makey-go-invent-everywhere-invent-now/video_share?ref=video
[09:29] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: "I've moved on to jelly pants now" <- see?
[10:43]  * bigcalm throws a Desperate Dan Cow Pie at davmor2 
[10:44]  * davmor2 catches it, throws it in the oven and scoffs it up yum for lunch
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> no horses were hurt making the pie... /disclaimer
[10:46] <bigcalm> It's going to be quiet on Wednesday
[10:46] <zmoylan-pi> coz?
[10:48] <davmor2> I'm not going to eat pie
[10:50] <bigcalm> Pie hater :P
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> more pie for everyone else \o/
[10:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: Just too much to do
[11:31] <foobarry> come on sunshine!
[11:31] <foobarry> shine on my lawn
[11:31] <zmoylan-pi> shine on foobarry lawn...
[11:32]  * davmor2 hears the distant rumble of thunder from foobarry 's direction
[11:32] <foobarry> saw some green shoots
[11:32] <foobarry> in my soil patch
[11:33] <foobarry> we have been lacking in sunshine lately
[14:26] <ujjain> how can I see a timestamp of a debpackage i have installed?
[14:27] <MooDoo> http://linuxcommando.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/find-out-when-package-was-last.html
[14:27] <MooDoo> both rhel and debian i believe
[16:08] <diddledan> this looks hilarious: https://youtu.be/X4bF_quwNtw
[16:13] <davmor2> diddledan: you should watch mortdecai
[16:41] <Laney> SOREEEEEEEEEN
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> ?
[16:43] <diddledan> shh, doreen's eating her soreen
[16:44] <Laney> well
[16:44] <Laney> i couldn't actually find it so i got some cereal instead
[16:47] <zmoylan-pi> soreen green is made of doreen?
[16:51] <diddledan> nah, that's soylent
[18:01] <ali1234> soreen is horrible sickly soggy squashed bread with bits of hard dried chewy stuff in it
[18:02] <ali1234> the smell of it is enough to make me retch
[18:54] <diddledan> apparently it's ten years ago today that the "leeroy jenkins" video first appeared
[19:12] <zmoylan-pi> back when online gaming was new...ish