[01:00] alright, stick with lts or go 15.04? [01:04] depends on your hardware really [01:05] if it's new you might benefit from running 3.19, otherwise not especially [01:13] Can anyone explain to me how this makes any sense http://pastebin.com/L0yfHSr4 look at line 87 and 147 onwards [01:17] yes [01:18] please do [01:18] log_daemon_msg is overwriting the echo output [01:19] /sherlock [01:19] oh [01:19] sadly that doesn't help me with the real issues :( [01:19] well, ask your real question? ;) [01:19] it runs deluged as user deluge, not debian-deluged, and it doesn't run it with DAEMON_ARGS [01:20] seriously i'd be curious to know if i;m write [01:20] please pipe the output into hexdump -C [01:20] *right [01:20] too much serial port programming today [01:20] also, use systemd [01:21] ali1234: lol, if I do sudo /etc/init.d/deluged stop | hexdump -C, hexdump doesn't catch the output [01:21] (but if I use waffle instead of stop, it does) [01:22] none at all? [01:22] $ sudo /etc/init.d/deluged stop 2| hexdump -C [01:22] stop: Unknown instance: [01:22] then it's something weird in one of the files which is sourced [01:22] ie /lib/lsb/init-functions [01:23] seriously, just use systemd [01:23] well this is the init script that ships with the package [01:23] report a bug then [01:23] this is probably due to me upgrading through many versions and stuff changing [01:23] probably [01:24] i suggest turning on trace [01:24] i don't remember how though [01:24] -x on first line [01:25] ? [01:25] oh I see, this is useful [01:26] http://pastebin.com/19q8Yuek [01:26] riiiight [01:27] looks like + . /lib/lsb/init-functions does everything [01:27] everything after that line is probably just there for backwards compat [01:27] yea, and looks like its converted it into an upstart script [01:27] yeah [01:27] this suddenly explains everything [01:28] so upstart handles known params like start and stop, otherwise it falls through to the initscript [01:31] lmao - kingsmen (movie) is hilarious [01:53] ali1234: and I finally found out where all my bizarre deluge behaviour came from [01:53] in days long past, deluge-web used to be a separate process, apparently it's part of deluged now, however the init script never got removed...so I had deluged and deluge-web both fighting and making everything break. [02:20] i lolled http://paste.ubuntu.com/11088403/ [02:21] XD [02:22] at least i know that commands end with \x0a [02:23] "," appears to do something as well, it prints nothing at all [04:13] bingo... RST first command found [04:17] oh look, EPR and EPW again [05:12] morning peeps [05:38] hey [05:38] what you doing === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:09] morning all [07:09] \o moo [07:10] :) [07:23] seems like ubuntu/canonical are going to take over the world - snappy powered fridge? cool [07:24] (I kind of installed Debian on my laptop though) [07:26] i have no interest in a non-debian-based ubuntu [07:27] morning boys and girls. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:28] yeah me too [07:29] how apps are supposed to work together when they are isolated in containers has still not been satisfactorily explained imo [07:36] MartijnVdS: i like debian, use it on my storage server [07:51] Morning all [08:03] morning peeps [08:03] morning [08:03] * knightwise watching old star trek eps on netflix [08:04] sounds like work for the clipboard ali1234, a lot of work :-P [08:04] Things like Snappy are really neat, no dependency version hell. [08:05] But as you solve that problem, you introduce others (bloat etc) [08:05] So now you add de-dupe, which bring in another problem (load) [08:05] And so on [08:05] Guess it all depends on where your biggest pain point is [08:07] TwistedLucidity: it's right there [08:07] Morning all [08:08] I'm mildly concerned about it (mostly as it's stepping away from Debian) but I want to see how things shake out. [08:09] There was so much mis-guided doom-mongering about systemd, I expect to see the same over Snappy. [08:09] TwistedLucidity: sorry I missed the start of the conversation :) [08:09] davmor2: It was about how wonderful I am [08:10] TwistedLucidity: hahahahaha, let me put you at your ease there as I pick myself up of the floor and wipe the spray coffee off my monitor......hahahahahahahaha [08:13] Just hear about MS's phone-convergence offering, sounds familiar [08:15] TwistedLucidity: did you see the kernel panic auto rollback video? [08:15] davmor2: For Snappy? No. I saw some comment about it, but didn't really investigate it. [08:16] Got a link? [08:16] TwistedLucidity: let me have a dig [08:17] davmor2: Found one [08:17] i've got a question [08:17] Search engines are good - I should be less lazy [08:17] suppose there's a bug that causes a kernel panic once in a blue moon [08:17] ali1234: Well don't lose it. That question could be worth money some day! [08:17] and it's existed since day 1 [08:17] good moaning [08:17] will i eventually end up back at snappy version 1? [08:18] what is a kernel panic happens because i spilled tea in my computer? does my OS get rolled back then? [08:18] TwistedLucidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHEy5saBa8 [08:18] davmor2: Ta [08:18] so what's the difference between snappy and click? [08:21] Good morning peeps :) [08:22] bashrc: not much, snappy has enhanced the click package system if you like it is click2.0 [08:22] bigcalm: hey dude how's life [08:26] bashrc: the big difference is that click was designed to package phone apps to be run on a deb-based system, where as with snappy the whole OS is packaged like a phone app [08:26] Hi davmor2. It's busy and quiet. Work is keeping me occupied, but Hayley is in Turkey for a week, so somewhat quiet around here [08:27] * bigcalm feels like a bachelor but without the perks [08:29] get that printed on a t-shirt :-) [08:29] bigcalm: hahaha [08:34] i saw a good tshirt yesterday, its said on the front, "she who shall be obayed" with an arrow pointing in one direction. [08:35] Common things people forget to backup ? [08:35] server host key :) [08:35] Copied /etc .ssh and .config [08:35] And most of /home [08:35] mysql databases in /var [08:35] Dumped my databases [08:35] mysqldump, but that'll do [08:35] Can't think of anything else, but I _always_ miss something [08:36] dont forget to make a copy of /dev/zero [08:36] proprietary software in /opt [08:36] dpkg --list export just to be sure [08:36] /root if you roll that way [08:37] nah I don't, /opt I'm happy with not copying [08:37] Think I'm good [08:38] Most stuff is in version control, most db's are remote and copied locally [09:09] Good morning all; happy International Nurses Day! 😃 [09:09] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HelloNurse ? [09:10] a very underapreciated profession [09:10] MartijnVdS, it's like you'd prepared in advance! [09:11] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNhuvox43I [09:11] or is just really really into nurses. senior nurses, senior administrative nurses... [09:11] JamesTait: maybe I did :P [09:16] I just want to know where all theing "Internal Day of Chocolate Biccies" come from.... [09:21] davmor2: I must be dumb, I really didn't follow that video at all. I'll look again at lunch when I can give it my full attention. [09:22] TwistedLucidity: it's the A/B rollback. So initially there was an A it was working, the reboot happened on B, B kernel panic so it then fired A back up [09:23] bought some expensive foxs choc fudge crunch...disppaointly they taste just like bourbon [09:23] Ah, a one character difference is easy to miss when you are trying to watch a video (why no sound?) and work at the same time [09:24] "This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing." <- ominous [09:24] TwistedLucidity: because there isn't any, I think and audio description of what is happening would of helped [09:25] Kinda what I mean "He we do A, now we do B...see the panic? And look, here comes A to the rescue" (cue bugles) [09:27] TwistedLucidity: the old testament has a whole new meaning when you read bugles as bulges [09:28] http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/3doodler-20-3d-printing-pen-n03eb [09:28] davmor2: It's a little known fact that any text or movie can be improved by replacing strategic words with "pants" [09:28] didn't quite set the world alight as hoped [09:28] i've moved on to jelly usb switch now [09:29] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joylabz/makey-makey-go-invent-everywhere-invent-now/video_share?ref=video [09:29] davmor2: "I've moved on to jelly pants now" <- see? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:43] * bigcalm throws a Desperate Dan Cow Pie at davmor2 [10:44] * davmor2 catches it, throws it in the oven and scoffs it up yum for lunch [10:46] no horses were hurt making the pie... /disclaimer [10:46] It's going to be quiet on Wednesday [10:46] coz? [10:48] I'm not going to eat pie [10:50] Pie hater :P [10:50] more pie for everyone else \o/ [10:54] bigcalm: Just too much to do [11:31] come on sunshine! [11:31] shine on my lawn [11:31] shine on foobarry lawn... [11:32] * davmor2 hears the distant rumble of thunder from foobarry 's direction [11:32] saw some green shoots [11:32] in my soil patch [11:33] we have been lacking in sunshine lately === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:26] how can I see a timestamp of a debpackage i have installed? [14:27] http://linuxcommando.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/find-out-when-package-was-last.html [14:27] both rhel and debian i believe [16:08] this looks hilarious: https://youtu.be/X4bF_quwNtw [16:13] diddledan: you should watch mortdecai [16:41] SOREEEEEEEEEN [16:43] ? [16:43] shh, doreen's eating her soreen [16:44] well [16:44] i couldn't actually find it so i got some cereal instead [16:47] soreen green is made of doreen? [16:51] nah, that's soylent === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:01] soreen is horrible sickly soggy squashed bread with bits of hard dried chewy stuff in it [18:02] the smell of it is enough to make me retch [18:54] apparently it's ten years ago today that the "leeroy jenkins" video first appeared [19:12] back when online gaming was new...ish === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away