| brousch | greg-g is rich! http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/05/11/1229222/study-reveals-wikimedia-foundation-is-awash-in-money | 12:42 |
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| _stink_ | and he is also ver handsome and talented | 12:56 |
| rick_h_ | well he was hiring | 12:57 |
| rick_h_ | there you go :) | 12:57 |
| jrwren | its sad this made it on /. since it isn't new news, its old news. | 13:15 |
| jrwren | the "stop giving to wikipedia" has been around for a while. | 13:15 |
| jrwren | and both linked articles are from Dec. /. fail. | 13:15 |
| rick_h_ | I never get why 'they have some $$ stop giving' thing is so out there | 13:17 |
| jrwren | well over 100, looks like 200+ http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors at $100k/ea, which is way too low for reasonable living in northern california, that is 20M$/yr. Suddenly that 50M looks low. | 13:19 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: I've never understood the whole "you should be struggling if you're asking for money" bit. | 13:20 |
| jrwren | yeah, look at the Komen Foundation. :) | 13:35 |
| _stink_ | zingggg | 13:36 |
| jrwren | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Software_Foundation#Financials half million dollars to write evil java code! stop giving. :) | 13:40 |
| brousch | I would keep giving even if they have money. Once they get a big enough stockpile they can engage in projects they couldn't before | 13:44 |
| jrwren | brousch: exactly! | 14:03 |
| jrwren | i just recently noticed audio clips on wikipedia pages about bands. Totally sweet. | 14:03 |
| cmaloney | Dammit, something happened an my GTD list is now a 0 length file | 14:03 |
| cmaloney | and the backup is also a 0 length file. | 14:03 |
| brousch | I mean, if I didn't support them, I wouldn't be giving them money to beging with. What's the point of stopping support? | 14:03 |
| brousch | cmaloney: Restore from your cloud backup | 14:03 |
| cmaloney | brousch: I'm restoring from my local backup | 14:03 |
| cmaloney | synology | 14:04 |
| cmaloney | and yes, i need a cloud backup | 14:04 |
| brousch | barbaric! | 14:04 |
| cmaloney | Might check out tarsnap | 14:04 |
| greg-g | that $2.5 million/year number is way low | 14:41 |
| greg-g | jrwren: not all engineers make over $100k at WMF | 14:42 |
| greg-g | we pay around 50th percentile of non-profit wages | 14:42 |
| brousch | How do you live in SF for under $100,000? | 14:43 |
| greg-g | it ain't easy | 14:43 |
| greg-g | at CC I made $85k, at WMF I started out at more than that but not a ton, I was promoted last summer so I'm OK now, but, it's not easy | 14:44 |
| cmaloney | You have to huddle around each other to catch the stray oxygen folks exhale. | 14:44 |
| greg-g | when a 2 bedroom apartment costs $2500... it's tough | 14:45 |
| brousch | ouch | 14:46 |
| cmaloney | when you have to sublet your bathroom to make ends meet... | 14:46 |
| jrwren | greg-g: it doesn't matter. i'd hope many engineers make well over $100k. A little over $100k seems a reasonable median for estimation. | 14:46 |
| brousch | Is there airbnb for potties? | 14:47 |
| greg-g | jrwren: minimum software engineer salary in SF (by law) is $85k | 14:48 |
| greg-g | jrwren: I know we pay minimum for a few entry-level positions | 14:49 |
| greg-g | our previous Deputy Director (2nd in command) made $140 or 150, I forget | 14:49 |
| greg-g | and previous ED made $200k | 14:49 |
| greg-g | (not sure what new one makes) | 14:50 |
| cmaloney | Yah, I'd want to be paid in CA wages and live in MI. ;) | 14:50 |
| jrwren | minimum by law? how does that work? | 14:50 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: You forget that CA is the prototype for AA | 14:50 |
| cmaloney | all sorts of labor laws and what-not. | 14:51 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: oh man, I WISH AA would set minimum pay, but then business would move to just outside AA | 14:51 |
| jrwren | that kind of thing works better ate state level | 14:51 |
| cmaloney | True dat | 14:51 |
| brousch | And in big states where you can't communite in/ou easily | 14:51 |
| cmaloney | and unfortunately Detroit / AA is an island of liberal in a sea of conservative | 14:52 |
| jrwren | ugh, don't remind me. Our state congress makes me angry | 14:52 |
| greg-g | jrwren: you can pay city minimum wages :) | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: About the only thing our state congress could do that would make me happy is not show up | 14:52 |
| greg-g | jrwren: SF's minimum wage is 9 or $10/hr, for instance, while CA's is only 9 or something | 14:52 |
| cmaloney | Anything more and they manage to fuck things up | 14:53 |
| greg-g | er, "you can MAKE city minimum wages" | 14:53 |
| * greg-g just woke up | 14:53 | |
| cmaloney | Yeah, like Detroit City taxes | 14:53 |
| cmaloney | Cities have certain powers. | 14:53 |
| cmaloney | most choose not to though | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | SF is the exception because SF is always the exception | 14:54 |
| greg-g | yep | 14:54 |
| greg-g | everyone wants to be here, even going to south bay or oakland is a second choice for most, so the minimum wage actually works | 14:54 |
| greg-g | (city-specific minimum wage, that is) | 14:54 |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/403524037/autonomous-desk-the-smartest-office-desk-yet-power/description | 16:37 |
| jrwren | did much of ya'll order a CHIP ? | 16:41 |
| cmaloney | I thought about it but passed | 16:41 |
| cmaloney | I already have two Pis and a BBB that I struggle to find uses | 16:42 |
| jrwren | cmaloney: when I saw integrated wifi and BT, I was won over. | 16:42 |
| jrwren | and 3.7v | 16:42 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: I'll have to see it then | 16:43 |
| cmaloney | if I miss the kickstarter I won't be upset | 16:43 |
| jrwren | i don't think it ships until december. I'll show you in about a year :) | 16:43 |
| cmaloney | but if they don't sell them afterward I'll be bummed | 16:43 |
| jrwren | me too | 16:43 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: no walking component :P | 17:04 |
| * rick_h_ has no idea what CHIP is so nope | 17:04 | |
| cmaloney | rick_h_: Oh, then it's completely defective. :) | 17:04 |
| rick_h_ | cmaloney: pretty much :) | 17:04 |
| cmaloney | CHIP is a $9 single-board computer | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | interesting, no cross stretcher on that desk | 17:05 |
| rick_h_ | not sure about that | 17:05 |
| cmaloney | with options for incorporating into a $49 LCd / keyboard docking portable unit | 17:06 |
| * rick_h_ wouldn't trust that design | 17:06 | |
| brousch | cmaloney: My current rpi/bb project is a stereoscopic remote presence robot with a google cardboard app | 17:06 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, it looks like a Gallant | 17:06 |
| cmaloney | brousch: that is awesome. | 17:06 |
| rick_h_ | so in my desk the motor is on one side and there's a wrench to move the two ends in sync with a stretcher across the legs to provide side to side rigidity | 17:06 |
| jrwren | brousch: please tell me more. sounds likea sweet robot. | 17:11 |
| brousch | Building on the single webcam rpi stuff I did last year. The rpi will have 2 webcams placed eye-width apart. they will stream over the network, probably mjpeg. I'll then build a kivy app which puts the streams side by side so using google cardboard it will be 3D | 17:13 |
| brousch | well, stereoscopic | 17:13 |
| cmaloney | That's pretty sweet | 17:13 |
| brousch | Next steps would be controls to turn the "head" by moving the cardboard | 17:13 |
| jrwren | oh! that is what google cardboard is :) | 17:13 |
| brousch | cardboard is ghetto oculus rift | 17:14 |
| brousch | then mount it on a rolling robot to move it around | 17:14 |
| brousch | Then mount the eyes on a slider so you can spread them farther apart for trippy experiences | 17:15 |
| cmaloney | And if the bot goes down the stairs you can have a really trippy experience. | 17:17 |
| brousch | hah | 17:18 |
| brousch | I wonder if I could get far enough along to be comfortable with submitting it to pyohio (may 15) | 17:19 |
| cmaloney | Give yoursef a deadline | 17:19 |
| cmaloney | Worst case you'll have to cancel | 17:20 |
| brousch | Well my deadline is may 15 | 17:20 |
| brousch | I think if I can make both streams work and at least 1 show on a basic kivy app I'll be ok | 17:20 |
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| rick_h_ | interesting https://twitter.com/Osmose/status/598189285217406976 | 19:00 |
| cmaloney | Can't argue | 19:01 |
| cmaloney | http://crashworks.org/if_programming_languages_were_vehicles/ | 19:38 |
| brousch | Not bad | 19:41 |
| cmaloney | Yeah, though I think C++ is a little off | 19:44 |
| cmaloney | Should be a tank in a swamp. | 19:44 |
| jrwren | C++ would never be a vehicle, its a trick analogy! | 19:50 |
| jrwren | or... C++ would be a tesla model S :) | 19:53 |
| cmaloney | jrwren: More like a box of parts that you can roll downhill | 19:53 |
| jrwren | hrm... ok, C++98 is a box of parts. C++17 is a tesla model S :) | 19:55 |
| cmaloney | I dunno. I've never thought of C++ as a particularly great language. It always feels like a hassle to use. | 20:06 |
| cmaloney | Like adding a 12ft high spoiler to an otherwise performant sportscar. | 20:07 |
| jrwren | modern c++ is very nice. | 20:11 |
| jrwren | the problem is legacy | 20:11 |
| tony-smlr | MUG Meeting Live now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLaMELLDTac DNS in the Enterprise and TarSanp | 23:08 |
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