[12:42] greg-g is rich! http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/05/11/1229222/study-reveals-wikimedia-foundation-is-awash-in-money [12:56] <_stink_> and he is also ver handsome and talented [12:57] well he was hiring [12:57] there you go :) [13:15] its sad this made it on /. since it isn't new news, its old news. [13:15] the "stop giving to wikipedia" has been around for a while. [13:15] and both linked articles are from Dec. /. fail. [13:17] I never get why 'they have some $$ stop giving' thing is so out there [13:19] well over 100, looks like 200+ http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors at $100k/ea, which is way too low for reasonable living in northern california, that is 20M$/yr. Suddenly that 50M looks low. [13:20] rick_h_: I've never understood the whole "you should be struggling if you're asking for money" bit. [13:35] yeah, look at the Komen Foundation. :) [13:36] <_stink_> zingggg [13:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Software_Foundation#Financials half million dollars to write evil java code! stop giving. :) [13:44] I would keep giving even if they have money. Once they get a big enough stockpile they can engage in projects they couldn't before [14:03] brousch: exactly! [14:03] i just recently noticed audio clips on wikipedia pages about bands. Totally sweet. [14:03] Dammit, something happened an my GTD list is now a 0 length file [14:03] and the backup is also a 0 length file. [14:03] I mean, if I didn't support them, I wouldn't be giving them money to beging with. What's the point of stopping support? [14:03] cmaloney: Restore from your cloud backup [14:03] brousch: I'm restoring from my local backup [14:04] synology [14:04] and yes, i need a cloud backup [14:04] barbaric! [14:04] Might check out tarsnap [14:41] that $2.5 million/year number is way low [14:42] jrwren: not all engineers make over $100k at WMF [14:42] we pay around 50th percentile of non-profit wages [14:43] How do you live in SF for under $100,000? [14:43] it ain't easy [14:44] at CC I made $85k, at WMF I started out at more than that but not a ton, I was promoted last summer so I'm OK now, but, it's not easy [14:44] You have to huddle around each other to catch the stray oxygen folks exhale. [14:45] when a 2 bedroom apartment costs $2500... it's tough [14:46] ouch [14:46] when you have to sublet your bathroom to make ends meet... [14:46] greg-g: it doesn't matter. i'd hope many engineers make well over $100k. A little over $100k seems a reasonable median for estimation. [14:47] Is there airbnb for potties? [14:48] jrwren: minimum software engineer salary in SF (by law) is $85k [14:49] jrwren: I know we pay minimum for a few entry-level positions [14:49] our previous Deputy Director (2nd in command) made $140 or 150, I forget [14:49] and previous ED made $200k [14:50] (not sure what new one makes) [14:50] Yah, I'd want to be paid in CA wages and live in MI. ;) [14:50] minimum by law? how does that work? [14:50] jrwren: You forget that CA is the prototype for AA [14:51] all sorts of labor laws and what-not. [14:51] cmaloney: oh man, I WISH AA would set minimum pay, but then business would move to just outside AA [14:51] that kind of thing works better ate state level [14:51] True dat [14:51] And in big states where you can't communite in/ou easily [14:52] and unfortunately Detroit / AA is an island of liberal in a sea of conservative [14:52] ugh, don't remind me. Our state congress makes me angry [14:52] jrwren: you can pay city minimum wages :) [14:52] jrwren: About the only thing our state congress could do that would make me happy is not show up [14:52] jrwren: SF's minimum wage is 9 or $10/hr, for instance, while CA's is only 9 or something [14:53] Anything more and they manage to fuck things up [14:53] er, "you can MAKE city minimum wages" [14:53] * greg-g just woke up [14:53] Yeah, like Detroit City taxes [14:53] Cities have certain powers. [14:54] most choose not to though [14:54] SF is the exception because SF is always the exception [14:54] yep [14:54] everyone wants to be here, even going to south bay or oakland is a second choice for most, so the minimum wage actually works [14:54] (city-specific minimum wage, that is) [16:37] rick_h_: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/403524037/autonomous-desk-the-smartest-office-desk-yet-power/description [16:41] did much of ya'll order a CHIP ? [16:41] I thought about it but passed [16:42] I already have two Pis and a BBB that I struggle to find uses [16:42] cmaloney: when I saw integrated wifi and BT, I was won over. [16:42] and 3.7v [16:43] jrwren: I'll have to see it then [16:43] if I miss the kickstarter I won't be upset [16:43] i don't think it ships until december. I'll show you in about a year :) [16:43] but if they don't sell them afterward I'll be bummed [16:43] me too [17:04] cmaloney: no walking component :P [17:04] * rick_h_ has no idea what CHIP is so nope [17:04] rick_h_: Oh, then it's completely defective. :) [17:04] cmaloney: pretty much :) [17:05] CHIP is a $9 single-board computer [17:05] interesting, no cross stretcher on that desk [17:05] not sure about that [17:06] with options for incorporating into a $49 LCd / keyboard docking portable unit [17:06] * rick_h_ wouldn't trust that design [17:06] cmaloney: My current rpi/bb project is a stereoscopic remote presence robot with a google cardboard app [17:06] Yeah, it looks like a Gallant [17:06] brousch: that is awesome. [17:06] so in my desk the motor is on one side and there's a wrench to move the two ends in sync with a stretcher across the legs to provide side to side rigidity [17:11] brousch: please tell me more. sounds likea sweet robot. [17:13] Building on the single webcam rpi stuff I did last year. The rpi will have 2 webcams placed eye-width apart. they will stream over the network, probably mjpeg. I'll then build a kivy app which puts the streams side by side so using google cardboard it will be 3D [17:13] well, stereoscopic [17:13] That's pretty sweet [17:13] Next steps would be controls to turn the "head" by moving the cardboard [17:13] oh! that is what google cardboard is :) [17:14] cardboard is ghetto oculus rift [17:14] then mount it on a rolling robot to move it around [17:15] Then mount the eyes on a slider so you can spread them farther apart for trippy experiences [17:17] And if the bot goes down the stairs you can have a really trippy experience. [17:18] hah [17:19] I wonder if I could get far enough along to be comfortable with submitting it to pyohio (may 15) [17:19] Give yoursef a deadline [17:20] Worst case you'll have to cancel [17:20] Well my deadline is may 15 [17:20] I think if I can make both streams work and at least 1 show on a basic kivy app I'll be ok === dzho_ is now known as dzho [19:00] interesting https://twitter.com/Osmose/status/598189285217406976 [19:01] Can't argue [19:38] http://crashworks.org/if_programming_languages_were_vehicles/ [19:41] Not bad [19:44] Yeah, though I think C++ is a little off [19:44] Should be a tank in a swamp. [19:50] C++ would never be a vehicle, its a trick analogy! [19:53] or... C++ would be a tesla model S :) [19:53] jrwren: More like a box of parts that you can roll downhill [19:55] hrm... ok, C++98 is a box of parts. C++17 is a tesla model S :) [20:06] I dunno. I've never thought of C++ as a particularly great language. It always feels like a hassle to use. [20:07] Like adding a 12ft high spoiler to an otherwise performant sportscar. [20:11] modern c++ is very nice. [20:11] the problem is legacy [23:08] MUG Meeting Live now! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLaMELLDTac DNS in the Enterprise and TarSanp