[04:53] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[06:01] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:01] <Kilos> morning Jacques_Stry  and all others
[06:02] <Kilos> Jacques_Stry  octoquad  asked how you got on with the papercuts bug , and apologises for leaving but got super busy
[06:03] <Jacques_Stry> I looked through several papercuts, but none seemed like small bugs and doesn't seem like I can fix them yet...
[06:03] <Jacques_Stry> Or is he referring to a specific bug?
[06:04] <Kilos> well he will be around for a bit again
[06:04] <Kilos> im not sure what you guys were doing together
[06:08] <Jacques_Stry> I'm a bit confused myself to what he is referring
[06:08] <Kilos> werent you two working on some bug?
[06:09] <Jacques_Stry> Can't remember anything >.<
[06:09] <Kilos> ah
[06:09] <Jacques_Stry> ec2
[06:09] <Jacques_Stry> lol wrong chat
[06:09] <Kilos> lol
[06:14] <magespawn> good morning
[06:14]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[06:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn  
[06:17] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:17] <Kilos> hi mazal  barrydk  
[06:17] <mazal> Hy's nie hier nie oom , in 'n meeting
[06:17] <Kilos> ah
[06:17] <mazal> I needs some advice from the experts
[06:18]  * Jacques_Stry waves - morning
[06:18] <Kilos> advice on?
[06:19] <mazal> I am looking for a cleaner for junk and temp stuffs , for example chrome cache and temp folders etc. I know of disk janator , but I have read many times that one should stay away from that app. So googling suggested bleachbit. Anybody here that works with bleachbit ? Is it safe to use ?
[06:19] <Kilos> bleachbit
[06:20] <mazal> ya
[06:20] <Kilos> i think thats what it is called
[06:20] <mazal> Is that app safe ?
[06:20] <Kilos> i think the pro uses it
[06:20] <mazal> Don't want to just run anything that might break something , never used it before , so rather I come ask
[06:21] <Kilos> read first what it offers to remove, you can choose
[06:21] <mazal> Yeah I read up on it and installed it , I saw that one can select what it must do , so it "seems" safe
[06:23] <mazal> Mostly I want to regularly clean out chrome junk
[06:23] <Kilos> hasnt it got a built in tool to do that
[06:23] <Kilos> like clear cache 
[06:24] <mazal> And I see it has a "administrator mode" and normal mode. So if I run it normal mode it shouldn't break anything in the system theoretically
[06:24] <Kilos> ya
[06:25] <mazal> Ah cool , it has a preview mode that shows what it's going to do , nice :)
[06:25] <Kilos> make a backup first then experimen
[06:25] <Kilos> t
[06:26] <mazal> This also seems nice:
[06:26] <mazal> " Vacuum: Clean database fragmentation to reduce space and improve speed without removing any data "
[06:33] <magespawn> mazal for windows or linux?
[06:33] <mazal> Linux magespawn
[06:34] <mazal> Kubuntu to be precise
[06:34] <magespawn> mmmm, i have never used something like that for linux, so i will be interested in your results
[06:34] <inetpro> ai!
[06:34] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:34] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[06:34] <mazal> Well bleachbit just cleaned out my chrome chace which was almost 6mb of junk
[06:34] <mazal> 600mb even
[06:34] <Kilos> morning inetpro  
[06:35] <Kilos> what ai! jy
[06:35]  * inetpro must be running many things in Kilos' mind
[06:35] <mazal> And it has many other system cleaners I haven't tested yet
[06:35] <mazal> Morning inetpro
[06:35] <Kilos> inetpro  ?
[06:35] <inetpro> hi mazal
[06:36] <magespawn> mazal: that is a lot, i set most of my browsers to delete on exit
[06:36] <magespawn> only just recently reinstalled chromium 
[06:37] <mazal> My backups started to drag a lot of all that junk
[06:37] <Kilos> lol
[06:37]  * magespawn waves to inetpro 
[06:37] <mazal> The auto's don't bother me , but this morning I had to do a manual one , and the chrome cache took forever lol
[06:38] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[07:05] <octoquad> Morning all
[07:05] <Kilos> hi octoquad  
[07:05] <octoquad> Kilos and inetpro the Trello backup script is finished, I will publish it tonight on github. Off to work!
[07:06] <Kilos> good man, ty
[07:21] <stickyboy> ah hah, so you do use closed-source platforms ;)
[07:21] <stickyboy> Trello ;)
[07:21] <Kilos> lol
[07:21] <Kilos> thats me stickyboy  
[07:21] <Kilos> they help me
[07:23] <Kilos> one sees the changes others make instantly
[07:29] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac  
[07:30] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos, how you doing on this fine tuesday
[07:30] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[07:30] <TinuvaMac> alright, back still hurts after the weekend
[07:31] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez  
[07:32] <arnaudmez> hi Kilos
[07:32] <arnaudmez> what's on the channel
[07:32] <arnaudmez> today ?
[07:33] <Kilos> coffee! its cold here
[07:33] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[07:33]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:33] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee for all
[07:33] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[07:34] <Langjan> Hi Kilos 
[07:34] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[07:34] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Langjan  
[07:34] <magespawn> Maaz large
[07:34] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you magespawn
[07:34] <Langjan> niks gebeek nie
[07:34] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[07:34] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[07:34] <Langjan> breek
[07:35] <Langjan> hoe gaan dit Kilos 
[07:35] <Langjan> ?
[07:35] <Kilos> ek sien daai lubuntu storie
[07:35] <Kilos> goed en daar
[07:35] <Langjan> Ook goed dankie,ok het jy gesien
[07:35] <Kilos> ek het geantwoord
[07:36] <Kilos> maar makliker hier
[07:36] <Kilos> het jy synaptic
[07:36] <mazal> I am in shock now
[07:36] <Kilos> why mazal  ?
[07:36] <mazal> M$
[07:36] <mazal> I went to investigate office
[07:37] <magespawn> and/
[07:37] <mazal> Now you have to pay per month to use office , or pay almost R5K once-off !!!!!
[07:37] <mazal> Absolutely crazy
[07:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and magespawn!
[07:37] <Kilos> Maaz  ty
[07:37] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:37] <mazal> I don't know how people support and pay this
[07:38] <Kilos> 80% of pc users
[07:38] <Kilos> oh no some use pirate copies
[07:38] <mazal> It's insame Kilos , R5K just for working with your docs
[07:39] <mazal> I don't even want to know what they charge companies for their multiple pc's
[07:39] <magespawn> and most people/companies will pay, because.... insert reason here
[07:39] <Kilos> to me its insane buying that first win dvd
[07:40] <mazal> Where is the greed going to end
[07:43] <Kilos> greed will always be part of many peeps lives
[07:43] <Langjan> Thks Kilos  I am updating, will see how it goes
[07:44] <Kilos> i didnt like lubuntu Langjan  but you can install everything you can on other flavours
[07:45] <Kilos> i thought mate was lekker,  almost like 10.10
[07:55] <arnaudmez> Langjan: better go for Kubuntu 15.04
[07:55] <arnaudmez> Kilos will never tell you about but Kubuntu is great
[07:55] <Kilos> its too heavy for that lappy arnaudmez  
[07:56] <Kilos> old lappy
[08:01] <arnaudmez> lappy ?
[08:01] <Kilos> laptop
[08:02] <arnaudmez> Okay I see
[08:02] <Kilos> and kde is to unity users like ubuntu is too windows users
[08:02] <Kilos> kde takes getting used to but i love it
[08:03] <arnaudmez> Kilos: U are using old KDE dear ... go plasma 5
[08:04] <Kilos> nono only with 16.04
[08:04] <arnaudmez> Kilos: lol
[08:17] <Kilos> hi aquarat  SDCDev  
[08:22] <SDCDev> gm Kilos
[08:33] <arnaudmez> someone have tested Vbox 5 yet ?
[08:50] <Squirm> Morning
[08:50]  * Jacques_Stry waves
[08:50] <Kilos> hi Squirm  
[08:50] <arnaudmez> morning Squirm
[08:51] <elacheche> Hi!
[08:51] <elacheche> Do you have any idea is there a FOSS project to host something like people.ubuntu.com ? Or they do this using webserver + ssh +  scripts only?
[09:05] <stickyboy> Vbox?
[09:05] <stickyboy> Ah, VirtualBox... I didn't see there was a new version.
[09:05] <stickyboy> Man, I'll test it right now. :D
[09:06] <stickyboy> https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=67731    5.0 beta3
[09:40] <arnaudmez> Guys I have read an article on the web saying MS Win 10 will be the last Win ... Are we thinking about what will the IT world be when Lnx will miss his principal opponent ?*
[09:41] <Kilos> you think they will stop as long as they can make money?
[10:03] <Kilos> hi psyatw  
[10:04] <mazal> maaz , burger
[10:04] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[10:04] <mazal> maaz burger with cheese and fries
[10:04] <Maaz> mazal: What?
[10:05] <mazal> maaz what's for lunch ?
[10:05] <Maaz> mazal: I prefer St Elmo's... but Scooters' deep pan pizza is also very yummy
[10:05] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[10:05] <mazal> Oh great , now I'm lus for pizza :P
[10:05] <psyatw> hi mazal
[10:05] <mazal> Hi psyatw
[10:19] <magespawn> FYI they are not going to stop making windows, just name it Windows 10 no matter what, bit like apple
[10:21] <Kilos> ah
[10:22] <MaNI> its all part of the push to have you pay a yearly license instead of buying things AFAICT
[10:22] <magespawn> and more in line with the rolling updates that some linux distributions
[10:52] <magespawn> use
[11:10] <arnaudmez> They will dear
[11:11] <Jacques_Stry> ???
[11:11] <arnaudmez> answering to Kilos
[11:11] <Jacques_Stry> oh ok
[11:30] <Kilos> arnaudmez  <magespawn> FYI they are not going to stop making windows, just name it Windows 10 no matter what, bit like apple
 and more in line with the rolling updates that some linux distributions use
[11:34] <Kilos> ai! missed him again
[11:39] <arnaudmez> So, we ends up with Lnx teaching the way to Win
[11:43] <Kilos> lol
[12:02] <Kilos> news jus said load shedding starting at 4 pm
[12:02] <Kilos> sigh
[12:21] <mazal> And the site is not updated yet to see how late tonight
[12:21] <mazal> Incompetant didiots
[12:44] <mazal> Bye everyone
[13:31]  * Squirm dances
[13:44] <Kilos> lol why?
[14:01] <Squirm> Kilos: just managed to accomplish something I've been trying to do for a while
[14:01] <Kilos> good enjoy the dance
[14:02] <Squirm> Yeah - Took a while
[14:08] <magespawn> chat later, home time
[14:08] <Kilos> go safe
[14:09] <stickyboy> Load shedding... man.
[14:09] <stickyboy> If South Africa had 20 million people it wouldn't be a problem. :P
[14:10] <stickyboy> The answer to all of the Earth's problems is less humans!
[14:12] <Squirm> Heh
[14:12] <Squirm> stickyboy: hence deadly virus' :)
[14:12] <Squirm> Population control
[14:12]  * Squirm blames Eskom for AIDS
[14:12] <Kilos> 50 mil last i heard
[15:17] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:22] <octoquad> ja
[17:24] <Kilos> hehe
[17:32] <octoquad> Trello Snapshot is up: https://github.com/octoquad/trello-snapshot
[17:32] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^
[18:05] <inetpro> octoquad: very nice!
[18:05] <inetpro> I like the approach
[18:05] <Kilos> die outjie slim ne
[18:07] <octoquad> hey inetpro, thanks :)
[18:07] <octoquad> did it work ok for you?
[18:31] <inetpro> octoquad: yes... just don't know how to see the difference between two different snapshots 
[18:31] <inetpro> yet
[18:32] <Kilos> put your glasses on
[18:51] <inetpro> octoquad: is there not more to backup than just the one file?
[18:56] <inetpro> oh hang on... I used the wrong URL to start with
[19:14] <inetpro> octoquad: looks like we need something like a json diff tool 
[19:16] <octoquad> inetpro, Trello serves the board as minified json file (1 line), so there will always be a difference if something has change on line 1
[19:16] <inetpro> exactly
[19:16] <octoquad> what should happen is we unminify it and then store it, which will generate a patch in git and is viewable as change
[19:16] <inetpro> ah
[19:18] <octoquad> If there is no change to the file, git won't commit anything.
[19:18] <inetpro> yep, I've tested that as well
[19:18]  * inetpro likes it
[19:19] <octoquad> after the first commit, the repo increases by 100k for each new commit which isn't to bad
[19:19] <octoquad> if we do patch support ~1-10kb depending on the size of changes generated in Trello and the last snapshot
[19:19] <octoquad> might be a good feature to add for 0.2
[19:20] <inetpro> what about 'git diff --color-words' ?
[19:20] <inetpro> should that not work?
[19:23] <inetpro> git diff HEAD^ HEAD --color-words
[19:28] <octoquad> Yeah that could work, but requires a bit of scrolling I suppose.
[19:28] <inetpro> yep unminifying will be much better
[19:29] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:29] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[19:29] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[19:30] <inetpro> good night oom Kilos
[19:32] <octoquad> Night Kilos
[19:32] <octoquad> inetpro, yeah unminify for the when, let me see what tool can do that quickly
[19:32] <kulelu88> minifying?
[19:33] <octoquad> when=win
[19:33] <octoquad> hey kulelu88 
[19:33] <inetpro> hi kulelu88
[19:33] <inetpro> kulelu88: see: https://github.com/octoquad/trello-snapshot
[19:34] <kulelu88> using --global is a bad idea, especially if github.com is not your only git tool
[19:35] <octoquad> I'm aware of that, but it's meant for someone who has never used git before.
[19:36] <octoquad> You can set it in the repo directory itself if need be, however that is created after the first run
[19:36] <octoquad> file a bug report if need be :)
[19:41] <kulelu88> it's not really a bug heh. your point hold stronger than mine :)
[19:42] <octoquad> file a feature request if need be hehe
[19:47] <inetpro> #1 filed :-)
[19:48] <kulelu88> Use the bash script to format the .json output
[19:48]  * inetpro calling it a day
[19:48] <inetpro> good night
[19:51] <octoquad> night inetpro 
[19:52] <octoquad> kulelu88, yup, busy looking at jq to see if that can help
[22:46] <kulelu88> octoquad: you still here?