[00:43] <bluesabre> good evening folks
[00:43] <Unit193> Well hey!  It's a bluesabre!
[00:50] <bluesabre> oh hey, we have abiword/gnumeric/libreoffice/gimp all installed
[00:50] <bluesabre> how'd that happen :\
[00:50] <Unit193> You updated the seed without the meta, right?
[00:51] <bluesabre> yeah, updated the seed the other day before the meta branch was available
[00:51] <Unit193> Tadaaaa.
[00:51] <bluesabre> so I'm just surpised to see LO there with everything else
[00:51] <Unit193> Not really.
[00:52] <bluesabre> time to dig in :)
[00:55] <Unit193> Need anything?
[00:58] <bluesabre> not sure yet, you going to go hide?
[00:58] <bluesabre> :)
[00:58] <bluesabre> can't blame you ;)
[00:59] <Unit193> Well, it's hot so there's that, and I do have my summer headache. :P
[01:00] <bluesabre> germinate is dying hard
[01:00] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11087597/
[01:01] <bluesabre> suppose I can go edit the code and learn more
[01:01] <Unit193> wiley?
[01:01] <bluesabre> yeah
[01:01] <bluesabre> er
[01:01] <Unit193> !wily
[01:01] <bluesabre> ah
[01:01] <bluesabre> dang it
[01:01] <bluesabre> :p
[01:02]  * Unit193 tazes bluesabre.
[01:02]  * bluesabre deserves it
[01:06] <bluesabre> ok, you can go away Unit193, germinate is smarter when I type correctly
[01:06] <Unit193> hah.
[01:14] <bluesabre> ahhhhh http://paste.ubuntu.com/11087738/
[01:17]  * Unit193 had forgotten about gimp actually passing.
[02:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: still around
[02:12] <bluesabre> ?
[02:16] <Unit193> No.
[02:18] <bluesabre> too late
[02:18] <bluesabre> :D
[02:18] <bluesabre> now to figure out how to set -tango as the default scheme in x-d-s
[02:21] <Unit193> Doesn't by default?
[02:21] <bluesabre> dunno
[02:21] <bluesabre> might prefer some other by default
[02:21] <bluesabre> galaxy is the one lo ships with
[02:21] <Unit193> And we have galaxy?
[02:22] <bluesabre> looks like tango does get default
[02:22] <bluesabre> so thats pleasant
[02:22] <bluesabre> good to see that lo is smart in that regard
[02:22] <Unit193> Now to keep -math and -base out. :P
[02:23] <bluesabre> sound like fun
[02:23] <bluesabre> blacklist magic?
[02:23] <Unit193> I don't remember being explicit about which I install, and libreoffice-style-tango is installed.
[02:23] <Unit193> Sure galaxy is default? :P
[02:23]  * bluesabre doesn't know anymore
[02:24] <bluesabre> -tango is default on today's image
[02:24] <bluesabre> so thats a good sign at least
[02:25] <bluesabre> and base is not installed, just math to deal with
[02:25] <bluesabre> is that possible to get rid of, I think that power's writer's latex ability
[02:26] <bluesabre> seems to be
[02:26] <bluesabre> need to stop writing before I test things
[02:26] <bluesabre> :D
[02:26] <Unit193> It's a seperate thing.
[02:26] <bluesabre> gotcha
[02:27] <bluesabre> so, just blacklist -math might do the trick
[02:27] <Unit193> Doubt it, but hey.
[02:28] <bluesabre> heyyyyy
[02:28] <Unit193> How you doin'? ;)
[02:29] <Unit193> blacklist is kind of useless, just makes sure something isn't selected as part of the task, not whether it's installed or not.
[02:29] <bluesabre> ah
[02:29] <Unit193> Only way to nicely do that is to create an xubuntu-blacklists package that conflicts (which I'd love, but that'd make micahg very unhappy, understandably so.)
[02:29] <bluesabre> ah
[02:30] <bluesabre> a
[02:30] <bluesabre> :D
[02:30] <bluesabre> well, we can hack on it and figure something out in the next few days
[02:31] <Unit193> I'd like to get gnome-user-guide and -math out, maybe some others, but oh well.
[02:31] <bluesabre> when we start with the blueprints, get those on there :)
[02:32]  * micahg suggests leaving math as it's small
[02:33]  * bluesabre waves at micahg
[02:33] <micahg> I think we also lose a version of webkit now as well
[02:33] <micahg> hi bluesabre 
[02:33] <Unit193> Oh what dropped it?
[02:33] <micahg> gimp
[02:33] <micahg> unless that was patched
[02:33] <Unit193> And yeah, understandable if that needed gtk2 webkit, ubiquity needs the other.
[02:34] <micahg> oh, looks like that was patched out already, nevermind 
[02:35] <Unit193> Anywho, just pointed out you'd not like -blacklist at all, didn't want to bother you too much. :P
[02:35] <bluesabre> thanks
[02:36] <micahg> I'm slightly concerned about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-application-gtk2/12.10.0.1-0ubuntu3, ISTR we had an issue with the indicator gtk2 and gtk3 packages installing the same service
[02:37] <micahg> we could just install the service in a separate binary that mate could seed
[02:38] <micahg> or maybe it doesn't break anymore, idk, but it's something that should be tested
[02:38] <bluesabre> yeah, we did have an issue with that and at least one of the indicators
[02:38] <bluesabre> I'll be sure to take a look at that
[02:38] <micahg> thanks
[02:38] <Unit193> indicator-*-gtk2 need to go away as they don't really work well. :3
[02:39] <micahg> well, as soon as all the panel plugins are gtk3 it can go, right?
[02:40] <Unit193> We don't use it ourselves, not sure it even works in Lubuntu but LXQt will make it of no use, so it's just MATE.
[02:40] <bluesabre> not sure, I was thinking that package was support for gtk2 panels
[02:40] <Unit193> Yes.
[02:41] <Unit193> xfce4-indicator-plugin is gtk3.
[02:41] <bluesabre> xfce panel wraps gtk2 and gtk3 and has escaped the issue
[02:41] <micahg> oh, we're not using it anymore
[02:41]  * micahg apparently is working with out of date info...
[02:41] <micahg> seeded-in-ubuntu indicator-application-gtk2
[02:41] <micahg> indicator-application-gtk2 (from indicator-application-gtk2) is seeded in:
[02:41] <micahg>   lubuntu: daily, daily-live
[02:44] <micahg> hum, so lubuntu is using both...
[02:44] <Unit193> Using, or shipping? :)
[02:44] <micahg> daily/daily-live
[02:44] <Unit193> lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin Depends: libgtk2.0-0
[02:45] <Unit193> Ah right, yeah they still use alternates.
[02:46] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oooh, going to email -permissions soon? :3
[02:47] <bluesabre> re xfce?
[02:47] <micahg> what's the question?
[02:47] <Unit193> Yep, bluesabre.
[02:47] <bluesabre> wanting to get an xfce packageset
[02:47] <micahg> do we need an xfce and xubuntu?
[02:48] <Unit193> xfce would include stuff we don't ship, nor plan to.
[02:48] <bluesabre> ^
[02:48] <micahg> do we want to support t?
[02:49] <bluesabre> I'm one of the xfce devs, so it feels kinda natural for me
[02:49] <bluesabre> :)
[02:49] <Unit193> Sean/(eventually I) would like access to it, at least.  Like xfce4-time-out-plugin, -eyes-plugin, thunar-dropbox, xfdashboard, etc.
[02:49] <micahg> if xubuntu wants to support the xfce packages we're not shipping, just add them to the supported seed
[02:50] <micahg> if xubuntu doesn't want to support them, then there could be a case for a packageset
[02:51] <bluesabre> we'd want to maintain them, but not ship them
[02:51] <micahg> I believe that's the purpose of the supported seed
[02:51] <Unit193> Fancy..
[02:52] <bluesabre> aha
[02:52] <bluesabre> somehow missed that all this time :)
[02:52] <Unit193> Do they have to already exist in the archive?
[02:53] <micahg> yes
[02:53] <micahg> need a sync?
[02:53] <Unit193> We're planning on bringing in xfdashboard and xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin for wily.
[02:54] <micahg> they're not in Debian either, right?
[02:54] <Unit193> Right.
[02:55] <micahg> ok, well, the flavor packagesets are updated semi-regularly, so whenever they make it in the archive, they can be added to supported
[02:55] <micahg> I think the Ubuntu supported seed is a better guide for what's possible
[02:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Time to trim d/changelog, update vcs, and upload?
[02:59] <bluesabre> seems so
[02:59] <bluesabre> micahg: thanks for the pointers, I'll take a look at that in the coming days
[03:01] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/FGxfJj2w18rSHySndG7f
[03:02] <bluesabre> tidy
[03:02] <Unit193> If you're good, I'll commit and be done. :D
[03:04] <bluesabre> looks good to me
[03:05] <bluesabre> do we have a needs-packaging bug for that one? we can start poking and maybe get micahg to +1 it
[03:05]  * micahg suggests uploading to Debian...
[03:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: Puuushed.
[03:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: let's get it into pkg-xfce then :)
[03:08] <Unit193> Goooooood luck..
[03:09]  * bluesabre will try to get himself closer to pkg-xfce
[03:10] <micahg> hrm, I thouhgt I had access at some point, apparently I don't
[03:10] <micahg> https://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-xfce
[03:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: So we, Xubuntu, would like to maintain it under the pkg-xfce umbrella or what?  I figure I'll try talking to Corsac.
[03:11] <Unit193> micahg: Yeah, SVN. :/
[03:11] <Unit193> s/would like/would be willing/
[03:12] <bluesabre> yeah
[03:12] <bluesabre> since its an "official" xfce project now, should be easier
[03:15] <bluesabre> I wonder if Corsac would add me if I just clicked the request to join button...
[03:15] <bluesabre> worth a shot :)
[03:19] <Unit193> We need to figure out the svn workflow. :/
[03:20] <bluesabre> I've done it a bit before with pkg-xfce
[03:20] <bluesabre> er
[03:20] <bluesabre> python
[03:20] <bluesabre> :D
[03:20] <bluesabre> PAPT
[03:21] <Unit193> I have not. \o/
[03:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Both xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and xfdashboard are now waiting and ready for wily!
[03:22] <micahg> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/desktop/trunk/
[03:22] <Unit193> Yep, exactly...
[03:22] <micahg> git is better...
[03:23] <bluesabre> !svn is better
[03:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: cvs?
[03:23] <bluesabre> ah
[03:23] <bluesabre> nvm
[03:23] <bluesabre> <3 git
[03:23] <Unit193> I'll take git, hg, or even bzr.
[03:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: Think we can con micahg into uploading?
[03:24] <micahg> Unit193: did my GPG key magically make it into the Debian keyring?
[03:25] <Unit193> micahg: I meant Ubuntu. :P
[03:25] <micahg> it's early, any reason we can't go through Debian?
[03:28] <bluesabre> no reason, just ubuntu is easier.  We'll get it into debian
[03:28] <Unit193> Pretty much...
[03:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Since you're there, gonna ask?
[03:30] <bluesabre> actually, was going to bed now
[03:30] <Unit193> Awwh, sleepy Seany.
[03:30] <bluesabre> but I can ask tomorrow after Corsac sees my pkg-xfce join request
[03:30] <Unit193> Hah, well alright.  Good luck sir, and good luck sleeping..
[03:31] <bluesabre> thanks
[03:31] <bluesabre> good luck sleeping, or drinking coffee, or recharging, whichever you do :D
[03:32] <micahg> if we get closer to alpha 1 and it's not in, we can look at going through Ubuntu, otherwise, I'd much prefer going through Debian
[03:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: FWIW, last I knew he wasn't interested in thunar-dropbox.
[03:33] <bluesabre> we can try again
[03:33] <bluesabre> and I can put my seal of approval on it
[03:33] <Unit193> (It's in Debian already, but my package.  Feel free though!)
[03:33] <bluesabre> if thats worth anything
[03:33] <bluesabre> :D
[03:33] <Unit193> G'night, sleep well.
[07:17] <Unit193> Speaking of which, xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, new version, PPA'd.
[07:24] <elfy> Unit193: in one of the team ppa's or yours
[07:24] <Unit193> elfy: xubuntu-dev/extras to be exact, team ppa.
[07:24] <elfy> oh - don't use that one
[07:25] <elfy> just the staging and dev one 
[07:25] <Unit193> Makes sense, those aren't in the real repo yet.
[07:25] <elfy> I guess if we're going to move to that it'll end up on one of the 2 eventually
[09:20] <xnox> so i think xfce looks slick
[09:20]  * xnox ponders to switch from unity
[09:21] <Unit193> Nice!  We try out best.
[09:21] <Luyin> xnox go for it baby :P
[11:09] <xnox> wow! snap to corner!
[11:09] <xnox> yes! i want that!
[11:10]  * xnox ponders if i can still have all of my indicators
[11:10] <xnox> and the xfce panels seem to overlap badly horum.
[11:10]  * xnox kind of likes unity launcher - which is combination of favorites & current windows
[11:16] <Unit193> Thought there was a panel plugin for that...
[11:18]  * xnox ponders how much stuff will break if I keep ubuntu-desktop installed and install xubuntu-desktop on top.
[11:18] <Unit193> Not sure if it's one of the things you liked, but there's xfdashboard.  Also, if you're going to do that, I'd recommend xubuntu-core over xubuntu-desktop.
[11:27] <xnox> ok. and i'll study shiny things that i'm missing, just by inspecting the seeds.
[11:28] <Unit193> Unity likes indicators, xfce likes panel plugins. :P
[11:32] <xnox> ok, it looks mostly ok
[11:32] <xnox> i did "xubuntu session" rather than "xfce session"
[11:33] <xnox> a few things give away that i have dual stack installed.... e.g. panel indicators are just plain weird.
[11:33] <xnox> but it's ok
[11:33] <xnox> however, the panel doesn't duplicate on to dual-screen =(
[11:40] <xnox> ok worked it out, i think
[11:55] <bluesabre> today's image, is this the same issue we were having before with the install freezing on restart? http://i.imgur.com/2NlabKo.png
[11:56] <bluesabre> live runs fine, install looks good, just the restart bit
[11:57] <bluesabre> gotta run now...
[11:58] <bluesabre> pleia2: sorry I can't make it to the meeting, but I hope you get a lot of attendance from the others :)
[11:58] <bluesabre> everyone else, seed updated last night, so now we have removed abiword/gnumeric/gimp and have libreoffice writer/calc/math
[11:59] <bluesabre> bbl
[12:31] <elfy> bluesabre: not tried for a few days - but restart was same as before - fail in vm
[12:51] <xnox> horum. i don't like it.
[12:51] <xnox> ended up making it look like unity
[12:51] <xnox> and there are annoying things about it - lack of global menu, multi-monitor panels, and so on.
[12:52] <xnox> e.g. i have a panel for each of the dual monitors, but i need to add things to whisker menu "favourites" twice.... per each screen =(
[17:57] <pleia2> almost meeting time
[17:57] <elfy> almost 
[18:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[18:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 12 18:00:31 2015 UTC.  The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:00] <pleia2> hello! who all is here for the xubuntu community meeting?
[18:00] <elfy> piskie is 
[18:01] <pleia2> o/ elfy 
[18:01] <pleia2> I guess we'll wait a couple minutes for the crowds to gather
[18:01] <elfy> yep
[18:02] <pleia2> !team | meeting time!
[18:03] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Agenda
[18:03] <elfy> lots about ... 
[18:04] <pleia2> #topic Open action items
[18:04] <pleia2> elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors)
[18:04] <pleia2> that was done :)
[18:04] <elfy> yea
[18:04] <pleia2> xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles
[18:05] <pleia2> dunno about that one
[18:05] <pleia2> (which is also our first agenda item)
[18:05] <elfy> there was a mail to the list
[18:05] <pleia2> yeah, last month
[18:05] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010697.html
[18:05] <elfy> bluesabre replied - no-one else did
[18:05]  * pleia2 nods
[18:06] <elfy> can't remember positively - but think there was some discussion in channel and a sort of acceptance it might be a good thing
[18:06] <pleia2> wfm
[18:06] <elfy> but - given it was a knome - might be better to just move on today
[18:06]  * pleia2 nods
[18:06] <elfy> *thinh
[18:06] <pleia2> that was it for open action items
[18:06] <pleia2> #topic Team updates
[18:06] <elfy> lol
[18:06] <pleia2> I don't have anything
[18:07] <elfy> #info QA started to plan Wily
[18:07] <pleia2> yay
[18:07] <elfy> that's it :p
[18:07] <pleia2> :)
[18:07] <pleia2> alright, on to agenda items
[18:08] <pleia2> Rebooting the FAQ articles is on the list, but no knome or docs people, so maybe we bump until next meeting
[18:08] <elfy> wfm
[18:08] <pleia2> Package testing, anyone?
[18:08] <elfy> well yes :D
[18:08] <pleia2> #topic Package testing
[18:08] <elfy> so - this is bluesabre and my position
[18:08] <elfy> http://pastebin.com/Q4KEDumc
[18:09] <elfy> which boils down to lets not bother this cycle
[18:09] <elfy> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/327/builds/82959/testcases
[18:09] <elfy> is what got tested and reported to the tracker last cycle
[18:09] <elfy> I will move forward assuming that we are NOT going to bother with packages.qa.ubuntu.com
[18:10] <pleia2> makes sense
[18:10] <elfy> unless someone pipes up with a reasonable reason as to why we should
[18:10] <elfy> but - kind of plan in the paste referenced above = mail list and ping social media if and when we've got a specific testing need
[18:11]  * pleia2 nods
[18:11] <elfy> done on that
[18:11] <pleia2> people seem more excited when we do it that way anyway, wall-of-package-tests is less fun
[18:11] <elfy> indeed
[18:11] <pleia2> alright
[18:11] <pleia2> #topic Milestones to take part in
[18:11] <elfy> :)
[18:12] <elfy> so the simple question is do we start at Beta again - or earlier - or play it by ear and see what happens pre Alpha
[18:12] <pleia2> yeah
[18:12] <elfy> #action elfy to mail -dev list re Milestone participation during Wily cycle
[18:12] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to mail -dev list re Milestone participation during Wily cycle
[18:13] <pleia2> ++
[18:13] <elfy> pleia2: you can move on then if you like now :)
[18:13] <pleia2> #topic QA Incentive
[18:13] <pleia2> so, last cycle we tried plying people with stickers to do QA
[18:13] <elfy> ooh look - another one I need to be about for :p
[18:13] <pleia2> it failed
[18:13] <elfy> and you :D
[18:13] <elfy> yep 
[18:14] <pleia2> I've been reading this book recently and I think I know why http://www.danpink.com/drive/
[18:14] <elfy> and given the time involved - not particularly interested in investing those hours and hours once more
[18:14] <pleia2> people don't do this kind of thing to be awarded $15 in stickers
[18:14] <pleia2> and offering it kind of devalues the whole process
[18:15] <pleia2> most of the people who "won" stickers each time were surprised, one only accepted so he could give to his students/colleagues
[18:15] <pleia2> so, oops :)
[18:15] <elfy> maybe so - but on the other hand - asking people to do it - failed too
[18:15] <pleia2> indeed
[18:15] <elfy> perhaps the best thing would be for me to actually follow through on last cycles threat
[18:16] <pleia2> so in learning more about motivation, I learned that the best thing we can do is give incentives that improve their rank in our dev community
[18:16] <pleia2> stickers meh, noting & thanking people who are doing well in QA on social media and stuff has social capital that is valuable to these kinds of contributors
[18:16] <pleia2> elfy: stepping down?
[18:17] <pleia2> don't do that :)
[18:17] <elfy> that implies getting people involved - which is just aas much an uphill struggle 
[18:17] <elfy> pleia2: lol - no - I told ochosi I would be here for Wily - and by extension X too - wouldn't drop anyone in that 
[18:17] <pleia2> it is, but we don't have a choice really, it needs to be done, QA test won't do themselves!
[18:17] <pleia2> oh ok :) <3
[18:18] <elfy> not mark things ready if not tested enough- even if it is Release Candidate 
[18:18] <pleia2> ah, yes
[18:18] <pleia2> that would probably encourage more testing from the team, I hope
[18:18] <pleia2> which needs to happen, I didn't do any tests last cycle :(
[18:18] <elfy> well - you know my position on that 
[18:19] <elfy> if I can't expect the people putting their name on the release - how am I supposed to expect anyone else to do so
[18:19] <pleia2> indeed
[18:19] <elfy> anyway - wording change from drc off channel re previous statement 
[18:20] <elfy> s/rank/standing/  sounds better, more "comunity" than "team"
[18:20] <pleia2> I don't have permission to paste it in a logged meeting
[18:20] <pleia2> oh ok :)
[18:20] <pleia2> and yeah, words
[18:20] <elfy> he can slap me if he wants to 
[18:20] <elfy> anyway - yes - in theory that's great 
[18:21] <elfy> but what do we do to move from theory to reality
[18:21] <pleia2> ultimately, my goal with this agenda item was to review what we did, why it went bad and see if we can come up with better ideas moving forward
[18:21] <elfy> frankly - the QA team is probably the easiest one to move into - and thence TEAM 
[18:21] <pleia2> yeah
[18:21] <elfy> well that's fine in and of itself as a goal
[18:22] <elfy> but MY problem is *now* not in 3 months :)
[18:22] <elfy> and if iirc - one of the reasons in that 'team' 
[18:22] <elfy> (the QA team)
[18:22]  * pleia2 nods
[18:23] <pleia2> alright, well I think it's decided that we won't do a formalized sticker thing again
[18:23] <elfy> I'd say that this topic is probably best dealt with in m/l 
[18:23] <elfy> yea - I'm rather implacably -1 on doing that again
[18:24] <pleia2> want me to write an email re: incentives to the list?
[18:24] <elfy> I think so - perhaps get the discussion moving at least - follow up with a more detailed review - if that's even possible - later
[18:24] <pleia2> wfm
[18:25] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to email list re: QA and incentives
[18:25] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to email list re: QA and incentives
[18:25] <elfy> we can start from the Marketing won't send them, QA won't give Marketing the data anyway stance :p
[18:25] <pleia2> hehe
[18:25] <pleia2> it was a fun experiment, but I don't think there will be any complaints about ending it
[18:26] <elfy> nope
[18:26] <pleia2> #topic Announcements & Discussion
[18:26] <pleia2> anything else?
[18:26] <elfy> not from me
[18:26] <pleia2> yeah, I'm all set
[18:26] <elfy> ok
[18:26] <pleia2> #action Unit193 to schedule next meeting
[18:26] <meetingology> ACTION: Unit193 to schedule next meeting
[18:27] <pleia2> have a nice week :)
[18:27] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 12 18:27:15 2015 UTC.  
[18:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-05-12-18.00.moin.txt
[18:27] <pleia2> woo, half hour until my next meeting
[18:27] <elfy> but as I really going to want to be a bit twitchy about getting things set up - if Unit193 wants to swap with me - that is fine by me
[18:28] <pleia2> :)
[18:28] <pleia2> I'll try to do post-meeting tasks after work today, unless someone gets to them first
[18:29] <elfy> pleia2: if I get time I'll try and fight through it - if I do I'll let you know in channel
[18:29] <pleia2> k :)
[18:52] <Unit193> elfy: You want the next meeting you say?
[19:00] <elfy> Unit193: not so much want it - depends when you set it for 
[19:08] <elfy> pleia2: think I have done it all 
[19:08] <pleia2> elfy: thank you, sir!
[19:09] <elfy> never having seen a "this is the post-meeting tasks" document I wouldn't be sure though :D
[19:10] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Processes/Community#Meetings :)
[19:10] <elfy> oh - never read that stuff
[19:11] <pleia2> hahah
[19:12] <elfy> not done team report
[19:13] <elfy> nothing to report atm 
[19:14] <pleia2> yeah, I usually do that in bulk at some point anyway
[19:17] <elfy> lol 
[19:18] <elfy> biab
[19:42] <elfy> Unit193: which sounds like a trick question ... 
[20:11] <Unit193> elfy: Well I'm up for whatever makes it better for you (well, not whatever.  I won't do both meetings!)
[20:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/205835987/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin_0.4.6-1_BUILDING.txt.gz ftbfs, patch!
[20:12] <elfy> Unit193: ha ha ha 
[20:12] <elfy> I guess I'd swap if you set it for June
[20:13] <Unit193> Oh, I was going to set it for July.
[20:13] <pleia2> lol
[20:14] <elfy> yea - that's what I meant - August 
[20:15] <Unit193> 28th is looking decent.
[20:16] <elfy> of? 
[20:16] <pleia2> september
[20:16] <elfy> works for me :)
[20:17] <elfy> already appear to have a broken Wily install \o/ 
[20:17] <elfy> that's the quickest for a long time :p
[20:18] <pleia2> hah
[20:19] <elfy> 90s to reboot while it fails to do something, the clean install I did an hour ago is fine
[22:21] <bluesabre> Unit193: oh nooooooooooooooooooes
[22:21] <micahg> heh
[22:21] <micahg> I saw that last night
[22:22] <bluesabre> hey micahg
[22:22] <micahg> didn't get a chance to do anything about it yet
[22:22] <micahg> hi bluesabre 
[22:22] <bluesabre> I'll poke it now
[22:22]  * Unit193 scratches head.
[22:23] <micahg> source format 3 requires defuzzed patches IIRC
[22:23] <Unit193> Yep.
[22:23] <bluesabre> easy fix most likely
[22:23] <micahg> not sure why Debian is different though
[22:23] <Unit193> Not only unfuzzed, but no offset.
[22:23] <Unit193> micahg: ubuntu.series.
[22:24] <micahg> Ah :)
[22:24]  * micahg jumps on the pkg-xfce bandwagon
[22:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: Askaskaskaskaskaskaskaskask!
[22:24] <Unit193> micahg: Yey!
[22:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: so we're intested in getting xfdashboard and pulseaudio-plugin in first, IIRC?
[22:28] <bluesabre> interested too
[22:28] <Unit193> Da.
[22:28] <Unit193> Wait, you're the XTL, you tell me!
[22:29] <bluesabre> It's a team effort ;)
[22:31] <Unit193> New pulse, didn't upload to lp, just bitb. :P
[22:31] <bluesabre> there
[22:32] <bluesabre> I asked
[22:32] <bluesabre> yay me
[22:32]  * bluesabre throws a celebratory pizza in the oven
[22:32] <Unit193> Yey!
[22:33] <Unit193> Good job on keeping up with the nicks!
[22:34] <bluesabre> got scared when I couldn't tab-complete
[22:34] <bluesabre> Un-tab-what!?
[22:35] <Unit193> Aha. :D
[23:16] <bluesabre> oh
[23:17] <bluesabre> not in my packageset...
[23:17] <bluesabre> just required a quilt refresh, maybe I should poke Corsac about it and let it get in via debian
[23:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: Poke?  You mean push?
[23:18] <Unit193> And figured as much, but nevertheless it's a ftbfs.
[23:19] <bluesabre> yup
[23:22] <bluesabre> poked
[23:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: Did you miss that you have access in pkg-xfce?
[23:25] <bluesabre> oh
[23:25] <bluesabre> I did miss that
[23:25] <bluesabre> I miss lots of things
[23:25] <Unit193> That's what the 'welcome' was about.
[23:25] <bluesabre> aha
[23:25] <bluesabre> >.<
[23:25] <Unit193> Well, I'm here to help, in several different ways it seems.
[23:26] <bluesabre> so it seems
[23:26] <bluesabre> maybe you can manage my inbox for me :)
[23:26] <Unit193> Ahaha. :D
[23:28] <bluesabre> maybe I can fix things and apologize before he gets online ;)
[23:30] <Unit193> ...For breaking the repo? :D
[23:45] <knome> good evening.
[23:46] <bluesabre> hey knome!
[23:47] <knome> hello bluesabre 
[23:47] <bluesabre> Unit193: lookie, its a svn commit!
[23:48] <bluesabre> knome: seems like you've been away for a little while, wb!
[23:48] <knome> yep, i was in berlin since last tuesday
[23:48] <bluesabre> oh nice
[23:48] <knome> not nice, berlin
[23:48] <knome> :d
[23:48] <Unit193> bluesabre: So I saw. :)
[23:49] <Unit193> krytarik: ^
[23:49] <bluesabre> let's see what I broke once Corsac gets back >.<
[23:49] <bluesabre> running out for a bit, bbabl
[23:49] <knome> hf
[23:50]  * micahg tries building from it
[23:57] <micahg> works in wily :)
[23:57]  * micahg needs new sid chroot