[00:21] <redraw> If I upgrade to release 15.04 through the Upgrade Manager, would I still have XFCE 4.10? or it will also update XFCE to 4.12?
[00:21] <Unit193> If you upgrade to 15.04, you'll get 4.12.  Also, if you are on Trusty you have a few bits of 4.11, the development release.
[00:24] <Unit193> ST2: Xubuntu uses the..
[00:24] <Unit193> Dang.
[00:25] <redraw> Unit193: I was on Xubuntu 14.04 LTS. I did do-release-upgrade, and it installed 14.10. Reboot. It offered me to install Ubuntu 15.04
[00:25] <redraw> I said yes.
[00:25] <Unit193> Alrighty.
[00:25] <redraw> but wonder if it only updates ubuntu
[00:26] <redraw> or the whole Xubuntu
[00:26] <Unit193> No, it says Ubuntu because that's the base, the core, the repos.  But it's Xubuntu.
[00:26] <redraw> so, it also updates xubuntu related stuff?
[00:26] <redraw> like XFCE
[00:28] <Unit193> Yeppers.
[00:28] <redraw> great
[00:32] <redraw> Unit193: just for curiosity, what if my internet connection breaks in the middle of the Upgrade process?
[00:32] <redraw> Would I be able to safely resume it?
[00:32] <Unit193> redraw: Then have fun resuming it! ;)
[00:32] <redraw> :D ok
[00:33] <Unit193> I've had a computer reboot in the middle, I got it to upgrade fine.
[00:33] <redraw> running do-release-upgrade?
[00:34] <redraw> you solved it?
[00:42] <Unit193> Just a little dpkg and apt working, no big deal.  Basically,  dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get install -f && sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:11] <chrislp> Hi. Today when booting my PC, I got the message "smpboot failed to wake up CPU#x", which repeated 6 times where x = 1, 2, etc. It took over a minute. Then the machine rebooted and turned on normally. Should I be worried about my CPU or something?
[09:55] <xubuntu18w> When will this bug be corrected ? It is still in the new versions. Can it be fixed with an update ?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1319187
[10:58] <dodeluser> hi. I cannot get a system-wide german keyboard layout under xubuntu 14.04... could you help me?
[11:06] <brainwash> dodeluser: did you read http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Spracheinstellungen ?
[11:07] <dodeluser> brainwash: yes.. the problem is. all 3 are in english: logon, lightlocker and keyboard layout
[11:07] <dodeluser> I CAN switch for most progs to german when choosing explicit german keyboard layout (I have to enable layouts)
[11:07] <dodeluser> But this works not for logon and lightlocker :-(
[11:10] <brainwash> dodeluser: what about "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration"? did you run this command?
[11:11] <dodeluser> not yet.. but done it now... does this need a reboot?
[11:12] <brainwash> I guess yes
[11:15] <dodeluser> ok.. I can do the reboot in 5 minutes :-(   but when I done it everything showed "german"... I will tell you in 5 minutes if this worked. thank you until this point
[11:32] <dodeluser> brainwash: did not have any effect :-(
[11:33] <dodeluser> thats my locale: http://pastebin.com/t8AMcDDM
[11:36] <dodeluser> anybody else can give me an advice? cant get german keyboard layout in xubuntu 14.04 (in loginscreen, lightlocker)
[11:39] <brainwash> dodeluser: check /etc/keyboard
[11:40] <dodeluser> does not exist ?!?!
[11:40] <dodeluser> no file named keyboard
[11:41] <brainwash> uhm
[11:41] <brainwash> /etc/default/keyboard
[11:42] <dodeluser> http://pastebin.com/wpWwUTDx
[11:42] <brainwash> also, does /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf contain any kayboard related settings?
[11:42] <brainwash> keyboard
[11:43] <dodeluser> I only have /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/10-xubuntu.conf
[11:43] <dodeluser> so... no
[11:44] <brainwash> oh, there should be a language indicator in the top panel of the login/unlock screen
[11:45] <brainwash> should be the obvious first thing one would try. did it have no effect in your case?
[11:45] <dodeluser> so.. do you think I will have to solve the 3 keyboard-layout questions (system,lightlocker,lightdm) seperatly? or is there a more global solution?
[11:46] <dodeluser> its de_DE over there
[11:46] <brainwash> light-locker is not a separate case
[11:46] <brainwash> it just trigger lightdm
[11:46] <dodeluser> ok, thats good news :-)
[11:47] <dodeluser> it did not have any effect
[11:48] <brainwash> do you mind filing a bug report?
[11:51] <dodeluser> no problem
[11:51] <dodeluser> I cant imagine noone else has this problem.. because I can install it fresh in virtualbox and : the problem is there
[11:52] <brainwash> well, some (older) bug reports do exists, also forum threads
[11:52] <brainwash> exist
[11:52] <brainwash> I assume that you have searched the internet
[11:53] <dodeluser> yes.. but all tipps did not work
[11:53] <brainwash> is this 14.04 or a newer release?
[11:54] <brainwash> as of now, it would be the best thing if you file a bug report against lightdm (and then also add lightdm-gtk-greeter to the affects list)
[11:54] <dodeluser> Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS
[11:55] <brainwash> list all the things you have tried and the content of the files which have been altered
[11:56] <dodeluser> ok. thank you brainwash
[13:58] <martinrame> Hi I'm using 14.04 and while trying to upgrade using "apt-get dist-upgrade", reboot and then "update-manager -d" it says "your system is up to date", but I'm still in 14.04.
[13:59] <cfhowlett> martinrame, because your settings are set LTS releases only
[13:59] <GridCube> 14.04 is LTS you have to check that you want to update to non lts updates
[13:59] <martinrame> cfhowlett: that seems to be the cause, where is that setting?
[14:00] <martinrame> cfhowlett: I found it.
[14:00] <cfhowlett> martinrame, :)    LTS only, right???
[14:00] <martinrame> cfhowlett: yes, never mind.
[14:00] <martinrame> upgrading. Thank you!
[14:12] <redraw> Firefox comes with JavaScript DISABLED by default. Was it your decision? Why taking that extreme position?
[14:12] <cfhowlett> redraw, wasn't my decision ...
[14:13] <redraw> ok
[14:13] <cfhowlett> redraw, not extreme either.
[14:13] <redraw> but
[14:13] <redraw> begginers wouldn't even know why they can't enter Facebook or that shits
[14:13] <cfhowlett> redraw, no profanity.  you can enable it in seconds.
[14:13] <redraw> I've already did it
[14:14] <redraw> But my grandmother woudln't know that
[14:14] <cfhowlett> redraw, so ... no extreme, painful or arduous.
[14:14] <redraw> I'm talking about normal users.
[14:26] <redraw> cfhowlett: anyway, i'd like to know if it was only me or xubuntu comes with javascript disabled by default, because in #firefox they've told me it doesn't
[16:49] <larryM> exit
[16:51] <larryM> quit
[17:18] <martinrame> hi, I'm upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10, I started the upgrading process, then left the machine for a couple of hours. Now I'm back and found a screen showing the message "Session blocked...", how can I re-open the session?. BTW, it is still upgrading.
[17:20] <holstein> martinrame: whats the message? and where are you reading it? was the screen locked, and you put your password in incorrectly too many times? and the session login is blocked?
[17:20] <holstein> !tty
[17:20] <holstein> i would try logging into tty, and see some way to be sure the upgrade is over before you do anything
[17:20] <holstein> you *will* have a bad time, interrupting the upgrade..
[17:21] <martinrame> holstein: yes, I'm on a tty. The message is in spanish "Esta sesion esta bloqueada. Se le redirigira al dialogo de desbloqueo automaticamente en unos segundos".
[17:21] <martinrame> holstein: If I do "ps ax|grep dpkg" I see a lot of packages being updated.
[17:22] <holstein> martinrame: please share exact details.. when did what happen where?
[17:22] <holstein> martinrame: you started the upgrade in the GUI? with what tool? how?
[17:23] <martinrame> holstein: I started the upgrade using update-manager -d from the gui a couple of hours ago. Then left the machine alone and come back 15 minutes ago.
[17:23] <martinrame> holstein: the messages is on tty 7 (GUI)
[17:23] <holstein> martinrame: and what? the screensaver was on? the screen was locked? you were prompted to input a password, correct? in the gui?
[17:24] <holstein> martinrame: try logging into *another* tty.. and, *did* you put the wrong password into tty7? or no? did it literally come up with a message about the session being "blocked" first thing?
[17:25] <martinrame> holstein: I usually block the session before leaving, so I'm pretty sure I blocked it. When I come back, the screen was black, no password was asked.
[17:25] <holstein> martinrame: you "blocke" the session? or "lock"? the session?
[17:25] <martinrame> holstein: sorry, my english is too bad. I locked the session.
[17:25] <martinrame> holstein: from the xfce main menu.
[17:26] <holstein> martinrame: so, you have a message, in the tty7 GUI that the session is locked? after you locked it?
[17:26] <holstein> or, is it a black screen?
[17:27] <martinrame> holstein: I locked the session before leaving. When I come back I see a black screen, looks like a screen saver, then I moved the mouse from side to side, and I saw this message.
[17:27] <martinrame> holstein: and yes, on the gui screen.
[17:28] <holstein> martinrame: just input your password, and unlock the session
[17:28] <martinrame> holstein: no, first of all, the screen has no place to enter anything. I type my password but nothing changes.
[17:29] <holstein> martinrame: what screen has no place to enter anything? the lock screen?
[17:29] <martinrame> holstein: the Blocked session screen.
[17:29] <holstein> martinrame: not blocked, correct? *locked*? right?
[17:30] <holstein> martinrame: blocked is different from locked..
[17:30] <martinrame> holstein: no, the screen says "BLOCKED". I locked the session before leaving, but the message says Blocked.
[17:30] <holstein> anyways, what would i do? tty to *another* tty terminal, as i suggested.. see if i can login, and if so, wait til the upgrade is complete
[17:30] <holstein> if i didnt want to wait, i would kill the machine, expecting to have a broken OS, and fresh install
[17:31] <martinrame> holstein: yes, that's what I did. This way I was able to open irssi and chat here.
[17:31] <holstein> martinrame: ok.. so, wait on the upgrade to complete..
[17:31] <dione> Thunderbird never notifies new mails, is it a common issue?
[17:32] <martinrame> holstein: ok. Is there a way to know in which stage of the upgrade process am I?.
[17:32] <holstein> martinrame: in the tty terminal, you should be able to see when its over
[17:32] <martinrame> holstein: id did ps ax|grep dpkg, but I'm not sure if there's another way.
[17:32] <holstein> but, AFAIK, no.. you cant "connnect" to that upgrade, and see
[17:33] <holstein> martinrame: you can ask in #ubuntu, since its not related to xubuntu or xfce, and see if anyone there has any other suggestions
[17:33] <holstein> or..
[17:33] <holstein> !es
[17:33] <martinrame> holstein: ok.
[19:00] <redraw> Is it Gala compositor suitable for Xubuntu?
[19:01] <holstein> try it.. it will likely depend on GPU drivers
[19:02] <redraw> ok...
[19:02] <redraw> just to solve video tearning
[19:02] <redraw> *tearing
[19:02] <holstein> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/14heuu/xfce_gala_plank_awesome/
[19:02] <holstein> the tearing can be related to GPU drivers..
[19:03] <redraw> ok
[19:04] <redraw> any difference between gala and compton in performance?
[19:07] <holstein> i have only use compton briefly.. should be easy to try both, and benchmark
[19:07] <holstein> i would expect overhead with both..
[19:19] <redraw> holstein, do you just guess why xfce team don't bother about video tearing?
[19:20] <redraw> i'm not fan about eye candy but a simple transition effect between worspaces would be helpful
[19:20] <holstein> redraw: well, ideally, the creators of the hardware would check for that, as they provide proper support for linux in the graphics hardware they provide.. since they dont, then, we just have to do what we can to take that reponsibility on
[19:21] <holstein> redraw: there is a compositor in the menu.. try it, as well
[19:22] <redraw> yes holstein, i've already tried it, but doesn't solve video tearing
[19:22] <redraw> maybe it's about my notebook GPU driver as you've said above
[19:22] <holstein> sure, and it may not be easy or able to solve
[23:55] <Nairwolf> Hi, I've found something interesting which doesn't work correctly (I think). When I use the terminal, first thing I do is to type "~∕Doc", and then I press tab to use the auto-completion, but my terminal does not propose me something. Why ?