[01:39] Polls are open. [01:48] Etriaph: umm were we suppose to get an email or something? [01:49] I started the poll, provided all of the addresses that were available, but I don't know how long it takes for their system to send it out. [01:50] Only three members are missing for ballots, but I can add them as soon as I have email addresses. [01:51] ahh seems my mail is behind, hopefully I have a ballot [01:51] If not, I've never used their software before, but it seemed straightforward with respect to options. [01:52] It could be stopped if need be. [01:53] Did Rohan have any issues last year with it? [01:53] I found my mail, all good. was my mail server [01:53] Oh, excellent! [01:54] sgclark: Thanks for confirmation the ballots are working :D [01:54] :) thanks for doing the elections :) [01:54] sgclark: It's a meaningful way to contribute. :D [01:55] yep! [01:57] sgclark: FYI, if you're interested, someone passed along this gem to me today: http://devdocs.io/ [01:58] oh wow how cool is that [01:58] ahoneybun: We should find a way to integrate developer documentation into http://devdocs.io/ [01:58] Offline storage :D [01:58] Disconnect your laptop and the site's content is still available. [01:59] Very smart idea. That system, devdocs.io, is on github [01:59] Gonna fork that and see what I can do with it :D [02:05] awesome Etriaph [02:16] ahoneybun: Getting the KDE class docs into that would be handy. [02:16] And any custom QML stuff that KDE provides. [02:17] Does anyone know when we'll have a build of QML WebEngine? Or is there a package for it now? [02:19] http://tinyurl.com/on9autp [02:20] KDE class? [02:20] userbase you mean? [02:20] The KDE API docs for KF5 [02:20] oh [02:21] More tools for developers means more apps :D [02:22] true [02:22] so that page is for? I still don;t understand what it is Etriaph [02:23] ahoneybun: You mean devdocs.io or the page I linked? [02:23] devdocs [02:23] They built an app that allows you to download documentation for offline browsing [02:23] oh [02:23] So you can sync, have the docs available, and it updates them when you connect again [02:23] sweet [02:24] I saw that is support mobike [02:24] *mobile [02:24] Yup; you could store docs on your phone. [02:24] But... the site's code is open source. [02:24] well making the docs pdf does the same [02:24] So we could fork it, put documentation in our channels into it [02:25] Ya, but PDF doesn't sync on version updates. [02:25] yea [02:25] So.. small QML app with a browser for reading on Desktop, then in browser for tablet and mobile [02:26] sweet [02:26] could be a widget as well [02:28] Yup, that would be natural to do as well. [02:28] Plasma Active could have an app. [02:28] Read docs on the tablet while working on desktop. [02:28] Active is a bit slow atm with Plasma 5 and such going on [02:28] *nods* [02:30] Etriaph: have you seen my slideshow? [02:30] ahoneybun: Not yet.. what's it on? [02:31] having a single/few languages for the docs [02:31] of all the projects [02:31] https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing [02:32] since all the projects (xubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu) docs are on different sites it can be annoying to find them [02:32] and the ubuntu wiki is bad with MoinMoin [02:34] In the past, with producing documentation, I always had an internal format that exported to several external ones. [02:35] Choose what you want to work with the most, to produce documentation, and let everything else read from that. [02:36] LaTeX is the most used, with the Ubuntu Docs, Server Docs, and Xubuntu Docs [02:36] So all you need to do is learn to transform LaTeX [02:37] Or to LaTeX [02:37] What would you prefer to work with? [02:37] I really like RST [02:37] restructuredText [02:38] I would help move things over [02:38] Now do you want restructuredText for the next four or five years? [02:39] Does it support all possible documentation presentational elements you may need down the road? [02:39] it works and has been around for a while [02:39] supports imgs, sections [02:39] tables, bullets [02:40] * ahoneybun is still researching [02:40] Can I ask you to consider something? [02:41] sure [02:41] Do you think a technical writer, who chooses to donate time documenting in the future, would enjoy using restructeredText? [02:42] I like it [02:42] but for users/contributors they can file bugs against it in LP or Git [02:43] Do you have control over the resulting processing? [02:43] and contributors fix them [02:43] well the bug tracking system on LP and Git? [02:43] ie. could I take your source and decide what kind of HTML output I get for it? [02:44] And then do like: rt-transform my_doc.rt template.in out.html [02:44] with sphinx we can export to HTML [02:44] eBook, and PDF [02:44] Sphinx, lemme see [02:44] http://sphinx-doc.org [02:44] wait [02:45] it uses LaTeX for the PDF [02:45] oh wow [02:46] Ya, this is interesting. [02:47] so we (kubuntu) could using RST, then export to LaTeX, while Lubuntu just write LaTeX [02:48] though ours would be one long file from the looks of it [02:48] There must be a TOC [02:48] That would produce links to anchors [02:49] anyway I have to go to sleep [02:49] ahoneybun: Night [02:50] night Etriaph [03:15] Someone tell sitter I think it's fine when you see him. === freeflying__ is now known as freeflying [05:49] Etriaph: ping [05:57] ovidiu-florin: pong, adding it now [05:58] ovidiu-florin: On its way to you know [05:58] s/know/now [05:58] Etriaph: when's the deadline? [05:59] 18th [05:59] ok, thank you [05:59] np [05:59] Have you seen http://devdocs.io/ ? [05:59] Was telling Aaron about it earlier [06:00] no [06:00] Etriaph: can you add a trello card for this? [06:00] It supports offline browsing for all of the documentation sets [06:00] For devdocs? [06:00] so we study it as well? [06:00] Sure [06:00] I have to go now [06:00] I'll be back this evening [06:05] rgr === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro [07:51] Good Morning [07:55] hiho [09:09] Person widet (whatever this is) fails because it cannot load a qml file (dependency issue?) Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.person/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1: module "org.kde.people" is not installed [09:19] Blizzz: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/ktp-desktop-applets.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_stable&id=8412fcd49838f8a5e14b4f0bec0e9d5848bd8270 [09:23] sitter: ty [09:24] now we just need someone to package 15.04.1 -.- [10:27] meh, again that bloody Krautish everywhere -.- [11:02] Howdy folks [11:10] * yofel puts on the He Voted badge === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [12:45] sitter: Riddell: sure I can run applications, but I am guessing I need to set up wily or something? [12:45] * sgclark voted too [12:56] if I remembered where I put my script :'< [12:58] kubotu: order i voted button for sgclark and yofel [12:58] * kubotu hands sgclark and yofel a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it. [12:58] Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati [12:58] * sitter wonders what the deal with the panda is [12:58] lol nice [13:01] sgclark: are you going to do applications for wily right away? [13:01] well I have to set up a chroot first, I have not touched wily yet [13:01] you could just run on vivid, there's no real difference anyway ;) [13:02] * sitter wonders how backporting is supposed to work nowadays [13:02] okies [13:04] kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports [13:05] if so then I'd branch kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive. that should get packaged, once that is super awesome one would merge kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports and upload vivid [13:07] okies [13:07] agh, apps has kde4 bits again -.- [13:08] mmhm still for sometime I am afraid [13:08] me too [13:10] so actually the merge process probably is: kubuntu_vivid_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports (which is already done for kf5 packages) AND THEN kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive (if there is no kubuntu_stable: kubuntu_vivid_backports ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive) then wily gets packaged. then kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports and vivid gets packaged. [13:10] clearly someone should port all the kde4 stuff so I don't get my brain all twisted over merges [13:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11113339/ [13:12] case in point [13:12] how do those bastards even diverge [13:13] didnt we already merge that in 15.04.0? [13:14] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_vivid_archive&id=bf32b62fdf041a74fcead180bceee47a8173a915 [13:14] sgclark: we only branched, there was no merge afterwards [13:14] sgclark: why is that version UNRELEASED in archive though? [13:15] seems either that should not be unreleased or that actually did not land in vivid? [13:15] it did nto land in vivid it looks to me [13:16] hmm [13:17] * sitter emits a blink [13:17] sgclark: they were uploaed though https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ark [13:17] I so much despise our current process [13:18] stuff gets lost all the time [13:18] ugh [13:18] artikulate packaging repo is weird [13:19] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/log/?h=kubuntu_vivid_backports === bduncan_ is now known as bduncan [13:19] how is that weird? [13:19] why backports was branched from the first commit in the repo is beyond me [13:20] ah hm [13:20] http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/log/ [13:20] assuing my intial backports branch script crapped out and branched from master rather than a suitable branch it shouldn't have used the first commit as there were some 20 commits ontop of it [13:21] so that branch makes no sense [13:24] sgclark: since artikular isn't wrap-clean... please make sure to setup a git template so new clones are forced to have a wrapped debian/ directory http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/git-hooks.git/ [13:25] umm [13:26] how do I do that? [13:26] see readme [13:29] kde-wallpapers also has problems [13:29] could that hook check first if one pushes to pkg-kde/ ? [13:29] currently that applies to all and any commits.. [13:30] i just load wallpapers from the pictures file , the wallpapers available from kde-look are ok, but I prefer my own familiar scenes [13:30] eerr for all repos? that could be a problem with my work with kde and such [13:31] sgclark: only if the repo has a debian/ dir [13:31] ahh okies cool [13:31] I meant any package.. [13:31] yofel: feel free to expand, probably just needs to check what origin points to [13:31] sure ok fine [13:32] I don't think the script actually gets the remote passed as argument or something, though I might be mistaken [13:32] checking origin should be a decent enough approximation at any rate [13:33] oh oh oh [13:33] I remember! [13:34] yofel: you created kubuntu_unstable for some kde4 apps when you created the initial repos supposedly because I hadn't pointed out that we only integrate kf5 [13:34] probably, which I still don't understand, but whatever [13:34] no point investing time in stuff that is going anyway :P [13:34] *going away [13:35] sure, but it makes things complicated in other places [13:35] anywho, this wasn't a problem because we only CI'd applications based on a seclection list what with most apps being kde4. the branching scripts however merged without discrimination so they would create the backports from those incredibly outedated kubuntu_unstable branches on kde4 repos [13:36] yofel: such as? [13:38] merging in kubuntu-initial-upload? or what does git do if you want to merge an inexistent branch? (Can't say I ever tried that) [13:39] initial-upload doesn't merge, I have a special script for that [13:39] er, it does merge.. [13:39] which has a list of origins, if it fails to find an origin it picks the next best one [13:39] which is something I need anyway because some upstreams have no 'stable' release [13:40] so there's always a case where a repo has no kubuntu_stable and needs logic to automatically fall through to kubuntu_unstable [13:40] wait what? "else: #not sru\n ... git merge origin/kubuntu_%s_backports ..." [13:41] Oo [13:41] wtf [13:41] yofel: in initial upload? [13:41] sitter: yes that merges now [13:41] sitter: er, correction, "git checkout origin/kubuntu_%s_backports, git merge origin/kubuntu_%s" [13:42] still, it hardcodes backports o.O [13:42] sgclark: of course it does. it does everything... [13:42] lol [13:43] * sitter shakes head [13:43] if lastDigit >= 80: [13:43] stability = "unstable" [13:43] else: [13:43] stability = "stable" [13:44] - subprocess.check_call(["git", "checkout", "kubuntu_%s_archive" % (release)]) [13:44] + subprocess.check_call(["git", "checkout", "kubuntu_%s_backports" % (release)]) [13:44] . . . [13:44] so did you say you have a script or am I doing all this by hand? [13:44] anyone seen my valium? [13:44] sgclark: script already running [13:44] pass me some if you find it [13:44] sweet thanks [13:44] and failing xD [13:44] ksnakeduel also broken [13:44] doh [13:45] * yofel passes sitter some ritalin [13:46] If I didn't have exams to study for I would rewrite k-i-u... [13:47] * yofel leaves it broken and hopes whoever falls on his face will forgive him [13:49] yofel: been drawing up a KCI based replacement anyway [13:49] in !ruby? [13:49] yah [13:49] that was a boolean statement :P [13:50] in that case nah [13:50] the trick part is the architecture anyway [13:50] danit ;P [13:50] needs to be coherently atomic [13:50] which is somewhat mutuall exclusive [13:50] uh, you can't really do worse than k-i-u really... [13:50] really [13:51] side question: is ruby 2 more API stable than python 3? [14:24] How do I get Nick completion in quassel droid? === debfx_ is now known as debfx [14:34] Riddell: you press the search button thing [14:43] sgclark: there are a couple of repos that have no kubuntu_vivid_archive branch. not sure what exactly that means but they might warrant looking into .. ktp-common-internals: libkdegames: libkgeomap: meta-kde-telepathy: [14:43] pushing first merge part now (vivid_archive ⇢ backports) [14:44] okies [14:52] all repos that are getting a kubuntu_wily_archive branch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11114684/ [14:52] pushing second part now (stable | vivid_backports ⇢ wily_archive) [15:18] sgclark: all applications repos have a kubuntu_wily_archive branch now [15:18] (excluding kde-workspace of course, since we don't package that anymore) [15:22] okies thank you [16:25] grr can we put our tools in git , bzr hates me [16:32] bzr hates its life, can't get any worse [16:35] actually, we could convert it into a git repo... === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work === benedikt_ is now known as Guest35914 [19:29] hiho [20:44] anyone know of a gui version of the du tool? [20:48] KDDA: Kinda, you can try filelight [20:48] I have an sdcard I want to find out where the most usage is [20:48] Yup, Filelight then [20:48] sudo apt-get install filelight [20:49] It's a graphical display of disk usage, one of my favorite tools. [20:49] in progress of installing [20:50] ah nice [20:50] thanks Etriaph [20:50] np [20:50] ah, log files [20:50] lots of huge log files [20:51] * ahoneybun had to reinstall... [20:51] ahoneybun: Oh, what happened? [20:52] not sure. my wifi was not working at work so I rebooted, still nothing, rebooted still nothing, rebooted black screen with the mouse showing and I could move it [20:52] Etriaph: [20:52] Weird. [20:52] yes and sucking [20:53] oh well [20:53] ahoneybun: Did you try to rescue first? [20:53] did not know what to do really [20:53] 2.1Gb of logs :/ [20:53] silly raspberrypi [20:53] KDDA: That'll do it :D [20:53] I was looking at top and plasmashell was running [20:54] ahoneybun: Did the reinstall get the Wifi working? [20:54] KDDA: Remember, filelight is your friend :D [20:54] not sure, I'm on cable atm [20:54] oh wait the EFI bug was fixed [20:54] indeed [20:55] shame it doesnt work over ssh [20:55] yay did not even notice till now [20:56] brb reboot, updated, upgraded and added the backport ppa [20:56] indeed Etriaph, its fast too! [20:57] wait installing some more stuff then reboot [20:58] Etriaph: that is a game changer that sphinx can export latex [20:58] and we have pandoc [20:58] brb [21:00] yippeee [21:00] weather station is back online! [21:00] KDDA: it should work over ssh -X actually. just very very slow [21:01] I need to auto delete my logs [21:01] not necessarily there's all matter of problems with involved apps as they somewhat depend on enviornmental conditions [21:01] there's logrotate for that ;) [21:01] such as a dbus socket [21:02] hm, true. bad dbus [21:02] it must not be working on rasbian ! [21:04] 21:01:46 E, [2015-05-13T21:01:46.714014 #25739] ERROR -- ppa_promote: Found more than one matching source for plasma-workspace=4:5.3.0+git20150513.0917+15.10-0 [21:04] launchpad is drunk or something [21:10] oh dear, plasma sheel just crashed :/ [21:20] Anyone know a low-cost place to host a Quassel core? [21:22] @home [21:23] I only have the one PC, I tend to turn it off at night. [21:23] I have a laptop, but same deal. === sitter changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - 10 years of friendlyness | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Kubuntu Kickoff: http://tinyurl.com/kubuntukickoff | Plasma 5 Demo: http://tinyurl.com/plasma5demo [21:43] I need help, plasma-shell crashed on me and wouldnt restart. I rebooted my system and not cant get into my desktop. Ive had to setup a brand new user to get online [21:43] stop running things using sudo? :P [21:44] its KDDA btw === test__ is now known as KDDA [21:47] sitter: if that was reply to me, I wasnt using sudo. I had this IRC open and an SSH terminal to my RaspberyPi and a Firefox browser open at the time [21:47] paste your .xession-errors file [21:48] how do I reset my desktop? [21:48] that entirely depends on how it broke [21:49] KDDA: is krunner still working? [21:49] the inferface is, but it not working in my other account [21:50] Alt-spacebar brings up the type box, but nothing works [21:50] define nothing works [21:50] well typing firefox, does nothing [21:50] typing IRC, does nothing [21:53] KDDA: sudo chown -R yourusername /home/yourhome [21:53] KDDA: if that does not help you'll have to get help from #kde or #plasma [21:57] No ksycoca database available! ? [21:57] that seems somewhat unlikely as it gets force generated during login IIRC [21:58] well thats the error in .xsession-errors [21:59] fair enough so you have been running a gui thing via sudo or some other such nonesense :P [21:59] KDDA: ls -lah /home/yourhome/.cache/ksycoca5* [21:59] not that I know of [22:26] what is the bar at the bottom called? === genii_ is now known as genii