[01:39] <Etriaph> Polls are open.
[01:48] <sgclark> Etriaph: umm were we suppose to get an email or something?
[01:49] <Etriaph> I started the poll, provided all of the addresses that were available, but I don't know how long it takes for their system to send it out.
[01:50] <Etriaph> Only three members are missing for ballots, but I can add them as soon as I have email addresses.
[01:51] <sgclark> ahh seems my mail is behind, hopefully I have a ballot
[01:51] <Etriaph> If not, I've never used their software before, but it seemed straightforward with respect to options.
[01:52] <Etriaph> It could be stopped if need be.
[01:53] <Etriaph> Did Rohan have any issues last year with it?
[01:53] <sgclark> I found my mail, all good. was my mail server
[01:53] <Etriaph> Oh, excellent!
[01:54] <Etriaph> sgclark: Thanks for confirmation the ballots are working :D
[01:54] <sgclark> :) thanks for doing the elections :)
[01:54] <Etriaph> sgclark: It's a meaningful way to contribute.  :D
[01:55] <sgclark> yep!
[01:57] <Etriaph> sgclark: FYI, if you're interested, someone passed along this gem to me today:  http://devdocs.io/
[01:58] <sgclark> oh wow how cool is that
[01:58] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: We should find a way to integrate developer documentation into http://devdocs.io/
[01:58] <Etriaph> Offline storage :D
[01:58] <Etriaph> Disconnect your laptop and the site's content is still available.
[01:59] <Etriaph> Very smart idea.  That system, devdocs.io, is on github
[01:59] <Etriaph> Gonna fork that and see what I can do with it :D
[02:05] <ahoneybun> awesome Etriaph
[02:16] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Getting the KDE class docs into that would be handy.
[02:16] <Etriaph> And any custom QML stuff that KDE provides.
[02:17] <Etriaph> Does anyone know when we'll have a build of QML WebEngine?  Or is there a package for it now?
[02:19] <Etriaph> http://tinyurl.com/on9autp
[02:20] <ahoneybun> KDE class?
[02:20] <ahoneybun> userbase you mean?
[02:20] <Etriaph> The KDE API docs for KF5
[02:20] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:21] <Etriaph> More tools for developers means more apps :D
[02:22] <ahoneybun> true
[02:22] <ahoneybun> so that page is for? I still don;t understand what it is Etriaph
[02:23] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: You mean devdocs.io or the page I linked?
[02:23] <ahoneybun> devdocs
[02:23] <Etriaph> They built an app that allows you to download documentation for offline browsing
[02:23] <ahoneybun> oh
[02:23] <Etriaph> So you can sync, have the docs available, and it updates them when you connect again
[02:23] <ahoneybun> sweet
[02:24] <ahoneybun> I saw that is support mobike
[02:24] <ahoneybun> *mobile
[02:24] <Etriaph> Yup; you could store docs on your phone.
[02:24] <Etriaph> But... the site's code is open source.
[02:24] <ahoneybun> well making the docs pdf does the same
[02:24] <Etriaph> So we could fork it, put documentation in our channels into it
[02:25] <Etriaph> Ya, but PDF doesn't sync on version updates.
[02:25] <ahoneybun> yea
[02:25] <Etriaph> So.. small QML app with a browser for reading on Desktop, then in browser for tablet and mobile
[02:26] <ahoneybun> sweet
[02:26] <ahoneybun> could be a widget as well
[02:28] <Etriaph> Yup, that would be natural to do as well.
[02:28] <Etriaph> Plasma Active could have an app.
[02:28] <Etriaph> Read docs on the tablet while working on desktop.
[02:28] <ahoneybun> Active is a bit slow atm with Plasma 5 and such going on
[02:28] <Etriaph> *nods*
[02:30] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: have you seen my slideshow?
[02:30] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Not yet.. what's it on?
[02:31] <ahoneybun> having a single/few languages for the docs
[02:31] <ahoneybun> of all the projects
[02:31] <ahoneybun> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6zAAODZFwQ2SGJCQ1YxRE1IaUU/view?usp=sharing
[02:32] <ahoneybun> since all the projects (xubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu) docs are on different sites it can be annoying to find them
[02:32] <ahoneybun> and the ubuntu wiki is bad with MoinMoin
[02:34] <Etriaph> In the past, with producing documentation, I always had an internal format that exported to several external ones.
[02:35] <Etriaph> Choose what you want to work with the most, to produce documentation, and let everything else read from that.
[02:36] <ahoneybun> LaTeX is the most used, with the Ubuntu Docs, Server Docs, and Xubuntu Docs
[02:36] <Etriaph> So all you need to do is learn to transform LaTeX
[02:37] <Etriaph> Or to LaTeX
[02:37] <Etriaph> What would you prefer to work with?
[02:37] <ahoneybun> I really like RST
[02:37] <ahoneybun> restructuredText
[02:38] <ahoneybun> I would help move things over
[02:38] <Etriaph> Now do you want restructuredText for the next four or five years?
[02:39] <Etriaph> Does it support all possible documentation presentational elements you may need down the road?
[02:39] <ahoneybun> it works and has been around for a while
[02:39] <ahoneybun> supports imgs, sections
[02:39] <ahoneybun> tables, bullets
[02:40]  * ahoneybun is still researching
[02:40] <Etriaph> Can I ask you to consider something?
[02:41] <ahoneybun> sure
[02:41] <Etriaph> Do you think a technical writer, who chooses to donate time documenting in the future, would enjoy using restructeredText?
[02:42] <ahoneybun> I like it
[02:42] <ahoneybun> but for users/contributors they can file bugs against it in LP or Git
[02:43] <Etriaph> Do you have control over the resulting processing?
[02:43] <ahoneybun> and contributors fix them
[02:43] <ahoneybun> well the bug tracking system on LP and Git?
[02:43] <Etriaph> ie. could I take your source and decide what kind of HTML output I get for it?
[02:44] <Etriaph> And then do like: rt-transform my_doc.rt template.in out.html
[02:44] <ahoneybun> with sphinx we can export to HTML
[02:44] <ahoneybun> eBook, and PDF
[02:44] <Etriaph> Sphinx, lemme see
[02:44] <ahoneybun> http://sphinx-doc.org
[02:44] <ahoneybun> wait
[02:45] <ahoneybun> it uses LaTeX for the PDF
[02:45] <ahoneybun> oh wow
[02:46] <Etriaph> Ya, this is interesting.
[02:47] <ahoneybun> so we (kubuntu) could using RST, then export to LaTeX, while Lubuntu just write LaTeX
[02:48] <ahoneybun> though ours would be one long file from the looks of it
[02:48] <Etriaph> There must be a TOC
[02:48] <Etriaph> That would produce links to anchors
[02:49] <ahoneybun> anyway I have to go to sleep
[02:49] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Night
[02:50] <ahoneybun> night Etriaph 
[03:15] <ScottK> Someone tell sitter I think it's fine when you see him.
[05:49] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: ping
[05:57] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: pong, adding it now
[05:58] <Etriaph> ovidiu-florin: On its way to you know 
[05:58] <Etriaph> s/know/now
[05:58] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: when's the deadline?
[05:59] <Etriaph> 18th
[05:59] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thank you
[05:59] <Etriaph> np
[05:59] <Etriaph> Have you seen http://devdocs.io/ ?
[05:59] <Etriaph> Was telling Aaron about it earlier
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> no
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> Etriaph: can you add a trello card for this?
[06:00] <Etriaph> It supports offline browsing for all of the documentation sets
[06:00] <Etriaph> For devdocs?
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> so we study it as well?
[06:00] <Etriaph> Sure
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> I have to go now
[06:00] <ovidiu-florin> I'll be back this evening
[06:05] <Etriaph> rgr
[07:51] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning
[07:55] <soee> hiho
[09:09] <Blizzz> Person widet (whatever this is) fails because it cannot load a qml file (dependency issue?) Error loading QML file: file:///usr/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.person/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1: module "org.kde.people" is not installed
[09:19] <sitter> Blizzz: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/ktp-desktop-applets.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_stable&id=8412fcd49838f8a5e14b4f0bec0e9d5848bd8270
[09:23] <Blizzz> sitter: ty
[09:24] <sitter> now we just need someone to package 15.04.1 -.-
[10:27] <Blizzz> meh, again that bloody Krautish everywhere -.-
[11:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:10]  * yofel puts on the He Voted badge
[12:45] <sgclark> sitter: Riddell: sure I can run applications, but I am guessing I need to set up wily or something?
[12:45]  * sgclark voted too
[12:56] <sitter> if I remembered where I put my script :'<
[12:58] <sitter> kubotu: order i voted button for sgclark and yofel
[12:58]  * kubotu hands sgclark and yofel a blue "I Voted" button with a panda on it.
[12:58] <kubotu> Thanks for voting -- The Illuminati
[12:58]  * sitter wonders what the deal with the panda is
[12:58] <sgclark> lol nice
[13:01] <sitter> sgclark: are you going to do applications for wily right away?
[13:01] <sgclark> well I have to set up a chroot first, I have not touched wily yet
[13:01] <sitter> you could just run on vivid, there's no real difference anyway ;)
[13:02]  * sitter wonders how backporting is supposed to work nowadays
[13:02] <sgclark> okies
[13:04] <sitter> kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports
[13:05] <sitter> if so then I'd branch kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive. that should get packaged, once that is super awesome one would merge kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports and upload vivid
[13:07] <sgclark> okies
[13:07] <sitter> agh, apps has kde4 bits again -.-
[13:08] <sgclark> mmhm still for sometime I am afraid
[13:08] <sitter> me too
[13:10] <sitter> so actually the merge process probably is: kubuntu_vivid_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports (which is already done for kf5 packages) AND THEN kubuntu_stable ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive (if there is no kubuntu_stable: kubuntu_vivid_backports ⇢ kubuntu_wily_archive) then wily gets packaged. then kubuntu_wily_archive ⇢ kubuntu_vivid_backports and vivid gets packaged.
[13:10] <sitter> clearly someone should port all the kde4 stuff so I don't get my brain all twisted over merges
[13:12] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11113339/
[13:12] <sitter> case in point
[13:12] <sitter> how do those bastards even diverge
[13:13] <sgclark> didnt we already merge that in 15.04.0?
[13:14] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_vivid_archive&id=bf32b62fdf041a74fcead180bceee47a8173a915
[13:14] <sitter> sgclark: we only branched, there was no merge afterwards 
[13:14] <sitter> sgclark: why is that version UNRELEASED in archive though?
[13:15] <sitter> seems either that should not be unreleased or that actually did not land in vivid?
[13:15] <sgclark> it did nto land in vivid it looks to me
[13:16] <sgclark> hmm
[13:17]  * sitter emits a blink
[13:17] <sitter> sgclark: they were uploaed though https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/ark
[13:17] <sitter> I so much despise our current process 
[13:18] <sitter> stuff gets lost all the time
[13:18] <sgclark> ugh
[13:18] <sitter> artikulate packaging repo is weird
[13:19] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/log/?h=kubuntu_vivid_backports
[13:19] <yofel> how is that weird?
[13:19] <sitter> why backports was branched from the first commit in the repo is beyond me
[13:20] <yofel> ah hm
[13:20] <sitter> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/artikulate.git/log/
[13:20] <sitter> assuing my intial backports branch script crapped out and branched from master rather than a suitable branch it shouldn't have used the first commit as there were some 20 commits ontop of it
[13:21] <sitter> so that branch makes no sense
[13:24] <sitter> sgclark: since artikular isn't wrap-clean... please make sure to setup a git template so new clones are forced to have a wrapped debian/ directory http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/git-hooks.git/
[13:25] <sgclark> umm
[13:26] <sgclark> how do I do that?
[13:26] <sitter> see readme
[13:29] <sitter> kde-wallpapers also has problems
[13:29] <yofel> could that hook check first if one pushes to pkg-kde/ ?
[13:29] <yofel> currently that applies to all and any commits..
[13:30] <BluesKaj> i just load wallpapers from the pictures file , the wallpapers available from kde-look are ok, but I prefer my own familiar scenes
[13:30] <sgclark> eerr for all repos? that could be a problem with my work with kde and such
[13:31] <sitter> sgclark: only if the repo has a debian/ dir
[13:31] <sgclark> ahh okies cool
[13:31] <yofel> I meant any package..
[13:31] <sitter> yofel: feel free to expand, probably just needs to check what origin points to
[13:31] <sgclark> sure ok fine
[13:32] <sitter> I don't think the script actually gets the remote passed as argument or something, though I might be mistaken
[13:32] <sitter> checking origin should be a decent enough approximation at any rate
[13:33] <sitter> oh oh oh
[13:33] <sitter> I remember!
[13:34] <sitter> yofel: you created kubuntu_unstable for some kde4 apps when you created the initial repos supposedly because I hadn't pointed out that we only integrate kf5
[13:34] <yofel> probably, which I still don't understand, but whatever
[13:34] <sitter> no point investing time in stuff that is going anyway :P
[13:34] <sitter> *going away
[13:35] <yofel> sure, but it makes things complicated in other places
[13:35] <sitter> anywho, this wasn't a problem because we only CI'd applications based on a seclection list what with most apps being kde4. the branching scripts however merged without discrimination so they would create the backports from those incredibly outedated kubuntu_unstable branches on kde4 repos
[13:36] <sitter> yofel: such as?
[13:38] <yofel> merging in kubuntu-initial-upload? or what does git do if you want to merge an inexistent branch? (Can't say I ever tried that)
[13:39] <sitter> initial-upload doesn't merge, I have a special script for that
[13:39] <yofel> er, it does merge..
[13:39] <sitter> which has a list of origins, if it fails to find an origin it picks the next best one
[13:39] <sitter> which is something I need anyway because some upstreams have no 'stable' release
[13:40] <sitter> so there's always a case where a repo has no kubuntu_stable and needs logic to automatically fall through to kubuntu_unstable
[13:40] <yofel> wait what? "else: #not sru\n ... git merge origin/kubuntu_%s_backports ..."
[13:41] <sitter> Oo
[13:41] <sitter> wtf
[13:41] <sitter> yofel: in initial upload?
[13:41] <sgclark> sitter:  yes that merges now
[13:41] <yofel> sitter: er, correction, "git checkout origin/kubuntu_%s_backports, git merge origin/kubuntu_%s"
[13:42] <yofel> still, it hardcodes backports o.O
[13:42] <sitter> sgclark: of course it does. it does everything...
[13:42] <sgclark> lol
[13:43]  * sitter shakes head
[13:43] <sitter> if lastDigit >= 80:
[13:43] <sitter>     stability = "unstable"
[13:43] <sitter> else:
[13:43] <sitter>     stability = "stable"
[13:44] <yofel> -            subprocess.check_call(["git", "checkout", "kubuntu_%s_archive" % (release)])
[13:44] <yofel> +            subprocess.check_call(["git", "checkout", "kubuntu_%s_backports" % (release)])
[13:44] <yofel> . . .
[13:44] <sgclark> so did you say you have a script or am I doing all this by hand?
[13:44] <sitter> anyone seen my valium?
[13:44] <sitter> sgclark: script already running
[13:44] <sgclark> pass me some if you find it
[13:44] <sgclark> sweet thanks
[13:44] <sitter> and failing xD
[13:44] <sitter> ksnakeduel also broken
[13:44] <sgclark> doh
[13:45]  * yofel passes sitter some ritalin
[13:46] <yofel> If I didn't have exams to study for I would rewrite k-i-u...
[13:47]  * yofel leaves it broken and hopes whoever falls on his face will forgive him
[13:49] <sitter> yofel: been drawing up a KCI based replacement anyway
[13:49] <yofel> in !ruby?
[13:49] <sitter> yah
[13:49] <yofel> that was a boolean statement :P
[13:50] <sitter> in that case nah
[13:50] <sitter> the trick part is the architecture anyway
[13:50] <yofel> danit ;P
[13:50] <sitter> needs to be coherently atomic
[13:50] <sitter> which is somewhat mutuall exclusive
[13:50] <yofel> uh, you can't really do worse than k-i-u really...
[13:50] <yofel> really
[13:51] <yofel> side question: is ruby 2 more API stable than python 3?
[14:24] <Riddell> How do I get Nick completion in quassel droid?
[14:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you press the search button thing
[14:43] <sitter> sgclark: there are a couple of repos that have no kubuntu_vivid_archive branch. not sure what exactly that means but they might warrant looking into .. ktp-common-internals: libkdegames: libkgeomap: meta-kde-telepathy:
[14:43] <sitter> pushing first merge part now (vivid_archive ⇢ backports)
[14:44] <sgclark> okies
[14:52] <sitter> all repos that are getting a kubuntu_wily_archive branch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11114684/
[14:52] <sitter> pushing second part now (stable | vivid_backports ⇢  wily_archive)
[15:18] <sitter> sgclark: all applications repos have a kubuntu_wily_archive branch now
[15:18] <sitter> (excluding kde-workspace of course, since we don't package that anymore)
[15:22] <sgclark> okies thank you
[16:25] <sgclark> grr can we put our tools in git , bzr hates me
[16:32] <yofel> bzr hates its life, can't get any worse
[16:35] <yofel> actually, we could convert it into a git repo...
[19:29] <soee> hiho
[20:44] <KDDA> anyone know of a gui version of the du tool?
[20:48] <Etriaph> KDDA: Kinda, you can try filelight
[20:48] <KDDA> I have an sdcard I want to find out where the most usage is
[20:48] <Etriaph> Yup, Filelight then
[20:48] <Etriaph> sudo apt-get install filelight
[20:49] <Etriaph> It's a graphical display of disk usage, one of my favorite tools.
[20:49] <KDDA> in progress of installing
[20:50] <KDDA> ah nice
[20:50] <KDDA> thanks Etriaph
[20:50] <Etriaph> np
[20:50] <KDDA> ah, log files
[20:50] <KDDA> lots of huge log files
[20:51]  * ahoneybun had to reinstall...
[20:51] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Oh, what happened?
[20:52] <ahoneybun> not sure. my wifi was not working at work so I rebooted, still nothing, rebooted still nothing, rebooted black screen with the mouse showing and I could move it
[20:52] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: 
[20:52] <Etriaph> Weird.
[20:52] <ahoneybun> yes and sucking
[20:53] <ahoneybun> oh well
[20:53] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Did you try to rescue first?
[20:53] <ahoneybun> did not know what to do really
[20:53] <KDDA> 2.1Gb of logs :/
[20:53] <KDDA> silly raspberrypi
[20:53] <Etriaph> KDDA: That'll do it :D
[20:53] <ahoneybun> I was looking at top and plasmashell was running
[20:54] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Did the reinstall get the Wifi working?
[20:54] <Etriaph> KDDA: Remember, filelight is your friend :D
[20:54] <ahoneybun> not sure, I'm on cable atm
[20:54] <ahoneybun> oh wait the EFI bug was fixed
[20:54] <KDDA> indeed
[20:55] <KDDA> shame it doesnt work over ssh
[20:55] <ahoneybun> yay did not even notice till now
[20:56] <ahoneybun> brb reboot, updated, upgraded and added the backport ppa
[20:56] <KDDA> indeed Etriaph, its fast too!
[20:57] <ahoneybun> wait installing some more stuff then reboot
[20:58] <ahoneybun> Etriaph: that is a game changer that sphinx can export latex
[20:58] <ahoneybun> and we have pandoc
[20:58] <ahoneybun> brb
[21:00] <KDDA> yippeee
[21:00] <KDDA> weather station is back online!
[21:00] <yofel> KDDA: it should work over ssh -X actually. just very very slow
[21:01] <KDDA> I need to auto delete my logs
[21:01] <sitter> not necessarily there's all matter of problems with involved apps as they somewhat depend on enviornmental conditions
[21:01] <yofel> there's logrotate for that ;)
[21:01] <sitter> such as a dbus socket
[21:02] <yofel> hm, true. bad dbus
[21:02] <KDDA> it must not be working on rasbian !
[21:04] <sitter> 21:01:46 E, [2015-05-13T21:01:46.714014 #25739] ERROR -- ppa_promote: Found more than one matching source for plasma-workspace=4:5.3.0+git20150513.0917+15.10-0
[21:04] <sitter> launchpad is drunk or something
[21:10] <KDDA> oh dear, plasma sheel just crashed :/
[21:20] <Etriaph> Anyone know a low-cost place to host a Quassel core?
[21:22] <sitter> @home
[21:23] <Etriaph> I only have the one PC, I tend to turn it off at night.
[21:23] <Etriaph> I have a laptop, but same deal.
[21:43] <test__> I need help, plasma-shell crashed on me and wouldnt restart. I rebooted my system and not cant get into my desktop.  Ive had to setup a brand new user to get online
[21:43] <sitter> stop running things using sudo? :P
[21:44] <test__> its KDDA btw
[21:47] <KDDA> sitter: if that was reply to me, I wasnt using sudo.  I had this IRC open and an SSH terminal to my RaspberyPi and a Firefox browser open at the time
[21:47] <sitter> paste your .xession-errors file
[21:48] <KDDA> how do I reset my desktop?
[21:48] <sitter> that entirely depends on how it broke
[21:49] <sitter> KDDA: is krunner still working?
[21:49] <KDDA> the inferface is, but it not working in my other account
[21:50] <KDDA> Alt-spacebar brings up the type box, but nothing works
[21:50] <sitter> define nothing works
[21:50] <KDDA> well typing firefox, does nothing
[21:50] <KDDA> typing IRC, does nothing
[21:53] <sitter> KDDA: sudo chown -R yourusername /home/yourhome
[21:53] <sitter> KDDA: if that does not help you'll have to get help from #kde or #plasma
[21:57] <KDDA> No ksycoca database available! ?
[21:57] <sitter> that seems somewhat unlikely as it gets force generated during login IIRC
[21:58] <KDDA> well thats the error in .xsession-errors
[21:59] <sitter> fair enough so you have been running a gui thing via sudo or some other such nonesense :P
[21:59] <sitter> KDDA: ls -lah /home/yourhome/.cache/ksycoca5*
[21:59] <KDDA> not that I know of
[22:26] <KDDA> what is the bar at the bottom called?