| ahoneybun | gsilva: wxl there is a ubuntu-doc meeting june 2nd (don;t know the time) | 02:41 |
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| ahoneybun | we can discuss what I was talking about earier | 02:41 |
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| gsilvapt | and please discuss it here, please, Nairwolf | 23:01 |
| Kamilion | ? | 23:04 |
| Kamilion | oh | 23:05 |
| Nairwolf | yes, it's better here | 23:05 |
| Nairwolf | what did you mean about the release date for the python script ? | 23:06 |
| Nairwolf | Hi, Kamilion ;) | 23:06 |
| gsilvapt | Nairwolf, LP is an online project management. I tried to estimate some dates for accomplishing things | 23:06 |
| gsilvapt | The idea is to try and get the final re-design of the Wiki by the time we need to prepare the next release | 23:07 |
| gsilvapt | If we can't for any reason, it's okay | 23:07 |
| gsilvapt | After all, we are volunteers, not employees :) | 23:07 |
| gsilvapt | You should find some time to explore Launchpad, take the official tour and try it out as you feel like | 23:08 |
| wxl | github is a lot like launchpad | 23:08 |
| Kamilion | except launchpad can do builds | 23:09 |
| Nairwolf | yes, I've taken the official tour. It just I find difficult to navigate between pages on launchpad | 23:09 |
| gsilvapt | it can be, I'll give you that | 23:09 |
| gsilvapt | but once you're under a project page, it's pretty easy actually, although you may need to get used to it | 23:09 |
| gsilvapt | hi, wxl :) | 23:10 |
| wxl | derp | 23:11 |
| gsilvapt | hehe | 23:11 |
| Nairwolf | yes, but some projects are linked and sometimes it seems difficult to navigate between them, but now, it's okay | 23:11 |
| gsilvapt | Nairwolf, wxl agreed that LP has some quirks here and there | 23:11 |
| gsilvapt | yeap, that's the kind of things you need to get used to | 23:11 |
| gsilvapt | In a few days, if you use it regularly, you'll master it | 23:11 |
| gsilvapt | It is not very hard, although yea, it requires accomodation | 23:12 |
| Nairwolf | for the python script, don't worry, it would be ready before the next release ! It's just that I need to stay focus on my VISA request, and prepare my journey to USA. In few weeks, I should have more time to finish this. | 23:13 |
| gsilvapt | Sure, no worries men :) | 23:13 |
| gsilvapt | You organize your agenda as you can | 23:13 |
| Nairwolf | it's not really difficult as I've said. I just need to read more precisely doc of the python package | 23:13 |
| gsilvapt | When you get to rest a bit, you come over and we can deal with that | 23:13 |
| gsilvapt | if, for some reason, it doesn't get ready, we'll take care of that on another time | 23:14 |
| Nairwolf | yes, don't worry | 23:14 |
| wxl | nice email gsilvapt | 23:17 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, do you know how to solve the Google 2-step auth issue with @ubuntu.com email? | 23:17 |
| wxl | i again repeat: you are a natural born leader | 23:17 |
| wxl | actually, no, gsilvapt. i was thinking about getting a yubikey neo to do 2-factor on gmail among other things, so i may have some time to play with that. | 23:18 |
| gsilvapt | Thank you, wxl. Now I see the message isn't perfect. Grammar mistakes and lack of coherency. Need to work more on that... | 23:18 |
| wxl | yeah well incremental improvement and all :) | 23:19 |
| gsilvapt | Damn. I was busting my head very hard this afternoon. Apparently, if you have 2-step auth AND use the browser only, you'll screwed. rafael uses external mail clients and he is able to send emails from @ubuntu.com | 23:19 |
| wxl | gsilvapt: so you use browser only? | 23:20 |
| gsilvapt | And yea, Google suggests you creating an app password in those cases, but well... It's a bloody browser. I've emailed rt@ubuntu.com to let them know about it, even though I doubt they'll do something about | 23:20 |
| gsilvapt | Yes, wxl | 23:20 |
| wxl | i often do, too | 23:20 |
| wxl | what's the problem with the app password? | 23:20 |
| gsilvapt | I only have this email account. I have one for college, but I don't use it. besides, all mail clients are bad and worthless - no offense | 23:21 |
| Kamilion | I also use 2factor and don't use a native client. | 23:21 |
| wxl | ah | 23:21 |
| gsilvapt | Well, I can't send emails, although I can receive them. When the mail delivery system replies back, it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11102860/ | 23:21 |
| Kamilion | I try to keep as little as possible in local state | 23:21 |
| gsilvapt | If I open the support link they provide, it will get me to the page where it suggests to create an app password for the client I'm using - But I am using the browser | 23:21 |
| wxl | actually that looks like the usual thing i get | 23:22 |
| Kamilion | then create an app password and use that for the browser. | 23:22 |
| Kamilion | the app password simply bypasses the 2-step process. | 23:22 |
| Kamilion | it's like 'mark this computer as trusted for 30 days' but doesn't expire. | 23:22 |
| gsilvapt | Kamilion, I tried that. Following Google's suggestions made me change my google acc's password and all my devices were completely crazy | 23:23 |
| gsilvapt | No way I'm doing that crazy mistake | 23:23 |
| Kamilion | I also had to create an app password for my android phone to sync with google. | 23:23 |
| gsilvapt | Oh, and the email didn't work anyway :D | 23:23 |
| Kamilion | sounds like you may have misunderstood something | 23:23 |
| gsilvapt | I then went mad and turned off 2-step security. The email immediately worked | 23:23 |
| Kamilion | and/or google changed things on you | 23:23 |
| wxl | gsilvapt: you followed these instructions? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Sending_email_from_GMail_with_your_Ubuntu_address | 23:23 |
| Kamilion | which HAS happened | 23:23 |
| gsilvapt | Maybe, indeed Kamilion . They suggested creating an app password for my client, so I search for and there is nothing for browsers | 23:24 |
| Kamilion | ah yes, that workaround. | 23:24 |
| wxl | cuz the error is not the same but it links to the same URL | 23:24 |
| Kamilion | when i use that workaround, wxl, it stamps my messages differently | 23:24 |
| gsilvapt | Picked one for non-specific purposes and they said to change the password for that one they gave me | 23:24 |
| gsilvapt | which... well, made me suffer for 1 hour and such | 23:24 |
| Kamilion | "from gmail on behalf of <real.address@domain.tld> | 23:24 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, yes, I followed those steps | 23:25 |
| wxl | Kamilion: that's the only way to do it! | 23:25 |
| wxl | i mean there's no ubuntu.com smtp, so you are necessarily are going to be "on behalf" | 23:25 |
| Kamilion | and ubuntu.com has some kind of a TXT record allowing google's MX as an allowable one? | 23:25 |
| * wxl shrugs | 23:26 | |
| wxl | not sure how exactly it works, i just know it does | 23:26 |
| Kamilion | ex: sllabs.com. 300 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx a:sllabs.com a:goldmine.sllabs.com a:hub.sllabs.com include:_spf.google.com ~all" | 23:26 |
| wxl | and i know there's no other way, except potentially using some other smtp | 23:26 |
| gsilvapt | great, a new language :D | 23:26 |
| wxl | the bottom line is there is NO ubuntu smtp | 23:26 |
| Kamilion | hm, and it won't AXFR to me so i can read the entire zone. | 23:28 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, I put everything properly in the settings | 23:28 |
| gsilvapt | I don't know how the smtp thing works, but it seems that Gmail is assuming I'm trying to send from an external email client | 23:29 |
| Kamilion | yes, you're trying to use gmail's SMTP server from gmail. | 23:29 |
| wxl | oic | 23:30 |
| gsilvapt | on the browser | 23:30 |
| wxl | it's unclear how to generate an app password | 23:30 |
| Kamilion | i can help you with that. | 23:30 |
| gsilvapt | Okay, how do I generate an app password for a browser? | 23:30 |
| Kamilion | https://security.google.com/settings/security/apppasswords | 23:31 |
| wxl | the browser doesn't come up automagically | 23:31 |
| Kamilion | http://puu.sh/hMmLk/836fe855c5.png | 23:31 |
| Kamilion | you'll see something like that | 23:31 |
| Kamilion | scroll down to the bottom | 23:32 |
| Kamilion | http://puu.sh/hMmNl/0d1ddd7ed9.png | 23:32 |
| Kamilion | from "Select app" or "Select device", choose "Other (Custom name)" and type in an identifier for the password. | 23:32 |
| wxl | it can be anything? | 23:33 |
| wxl | like "Dumb Browser" | 23:33 |
| Kamilion | yep! | 23:33 |
| wxl | ahhh there you go gsilvapt | 23:33 |
| wxl | that's the key :) | 23:33 |
| Kamilion | and then it will give you the app-specific password | 23:33 |
| Kamilion | ONCE AND ONLY ONCE | 23:33 |
| Kamilion | so if you wish to reuse it (for example, for all your chrome browsers), you can | 23:33 |
| Kamilion | but I wouldn't recommend it | 23:34 |
| Nairwolf | aaah, Google..... | 23:34 |
| Kamilion | You may revoke an app-specific password at any time. | 23:34 |
| Nairwolf | It's like he doesn't want that you use an other email ^^ | 23:34 |
| wxl | if that works, gsilvapt edit the wiki to add in a 2 step section | 23:34 |
| gsilvapt | Guys, I already tried that | 23:35 |
| gsilvapt | It doesn't work | 23:35 |
| Kamilion | you do not need to change your account password | 23:35 |
| wxl | gsilvapt: you added an app password? | 23:35 |
| gsilvapt | yeap | 23:35 |
| gsilvapt | it is still there | 23:35 |
| gsilvapt | http://prntscr.com/74xuzu | 23:35 |
| wxl | and let me guess: you never get prompted for it | 23:36 |
| Kamilion | and this was the password you entered in the SMTP password box? | 23:36 |
| gsilvapt | no | 23:36 |
| Kamilion | with <yourgmailusername@gmail.com> as the username, sans brackets? | 23:36 |
| gsilvapt | let me give it a try then | 23:36 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, can you confirm if you received my message? | 23:37 |
| Kamilion | can send a test message to me at kamilion@gmail.com | 23:38 |
| wxl | gsilvapt: confirmed | 23:38 |
| gsilvapt | wow | 23:38 |
| Kamilion | but sounds like you got it. | 23:38 |
| Kamilion | all in the wrist. | 23:38 |
| wxl | PLEASE add to the wiki!!! | 23:38 |
| gsilvapt | would any of you mind testing to see if I can receive? | 23:39 |
| gsilvapt | gsilvapt@ubuntu.com | 23:39 |
| gsilvapt | I will, wxl | 23:39 |
| Kamilion | message sent | 23:39 |
| wxl | sent | 23:39 |
| gsilvapt | Ah, cool | 23:39 |
| gsilvapt | got both | 23:40 |
| gsilvapt | cool | 23:40 |
| gsilvapt | thanks, Kamilion :) | 23:40 |
| wxl | eeeeasy | 23:40 |
| wxl | just wait until i get my yubikey neo | 23:40 |
| * wxl squees | 23:40 | |
| Kamilion | lemme go whack the wiki | 23:40 |
| gsilvapt | I can handle that | 23:40 |
| wxl | i'm going to try to get work to pay for it but if not i'm getting one anyways | 23:40 |
| gsilvapt | I understood the process - although the wiki is super slow | 23:40 |
| Kamilion | wxl: which? | 23:41 |
| Kamilion | I <3 my yubikey classic. | 23:41 |
| wxl | gsilvapt: now if you ever figure out a really good reliable solution for pgp in gmail, let me know | 23:41 |
| Kamilion | wxl: do you use chrome? | 23:41 |
| wxl | Kamilion: the neo. it can act as a smart card, handle openpgp, fido u2f AAAAND works with nfc | 23:43 |
| Kamilion | https://github.com/google/end-to-end | 23:43 |
| wxl | Kamilion: yeah | 23:43 |
| wxl | experimental tho :( | 23:43 |
| wxl | maybe i should just try it | 23:43 |
| wxl | i've tried mailvelope but not happy with it | 23:43 |
| Kamilion | there's also https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mymail-crypt-for-gmail/jcaobjhdnlpmopmjhijplpjhlplfkhba?hl=en-US | 23:44 |
| gsilvapt | can anyone log in the Wiki? Damn, the thing is slow today | 23:44 |
| Kamilion | nope | 23:44 |
| wxl | lots of bad review on mymail | 23:44 |
| Kamilion | pretty much. | 23:45 |
| wxl | mailvelope works for someone but not for me | 23:45 |
| wxl | i think the problem lies somewhere in gmail | 23:45 |
| wxl | since "plain text" mode wraps at 79 characters | 23:46 |
| Kamilion | to be honest? I still use enigmail in thunderbird. | 23:46 |
| wxl | and "rich text" makes for html mail blah | 23:46 |
| wxl | yeah enigmail works | 23:46 |
| wxl | i just don't want another thing | 23:46 |
| Kamilion | me either | 23:46 |
| Kamilion | but tbird was my old mail client before I switched to gmail | 23:46 |
| Kamilion | and for the few times where I need to use my keybase.io identity to cryptomail someone, it works | 23:46 |
| Kamilion | and thunderbird portable is a big help | 23:47 |
| wxl | would be nice to automagically sign everything | 23:47 |
| Kamilion | once End-to-End hits, that'll be an easier target | 23:47 |
| wxl | yeah i know | 23:48 |
| Kamilion | though with Inbox looming | 23:48 |
| Kamilion | dunno | 23:48 |
| wxl | inbox looming? | 23:48 |
| Kamilion | I'm not enthused | 23:48 |
| wxl | looming like it's going to take over? | 23:48 |
| wxl | cuz i didn't like it | 23:48 |
| Kamilion | http://www.google.com/inbox/ | 23:48 |
| Kamilion | basically the android gmail client in-browser | 23:48 |
| wxl | oh jesus elliptic curve | 23:49 |
| wxl | no WONDER it's not official | 23:49 |
| Kamilion | kinda like how Opera used to have a built in mail client and IRC client | 23:49 |
| wxl | oh noes mojibake! | 23:49 |
| wxl | anywho i've been watching it | 23:50 |
| Kamilion | EC? Shoot, what curve are they using? Hopefully not NIST P-224 :/ | 23:50 |
| wxl | dunno didn't read that far | 23:50 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, have a read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Gmail-specific | 23:51 |
| wxl | at least it's not EdDSA :) | 23:51 |
| wxl | a few wee grammatical fixes but works gsilvapt :) | 23:52 |
| Kamilion | I'll clean up that wording a bit | 23:52 |
| wxl | there ya go | 23:52 |
| gsilvapt | wxl, I don't know if you saw but I've emailed all lists recently to get their feedback on the Online Conferences thing. How long should I wait to get some replies? | 23:52 |
| gsilvapt | Oh, okay. | 23:52 |
| gsilvapt | I'll check the differences after you update it | 23:52 |
| wxl | gsilvapt: lemme look more and i'll let you know. been busy :( | 23:52 |
| gsilvapt | Yea, no worries. Just wondering for how long should I wait to get some answers before giving up :D | 23:53 |
| wxl | well i need to analyze the email and make sure it's clear because i was originally confused by the doc if you remember correctly | 23:53 |
| gsilvapt | yeah, I remember that | 23:56 |
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