[02:41] gsilva: wxl there is a ubuntu-doc meeting june 2nd (don;t know the time) [02:41] we can discuss what I was talking about earier === rafaellaguna- is now known as rafaellaguna === gsilva is now known as gsilvapt [23:01] and please discuss it here, please, Nairwolf [23:04] ? [23:05] oh [23:05] yes, it's better here [23:06] what did you mean about the release date for the python script ? [23:06] Hi, Kamilion ;) [23:06] Nairwolf, LP is an online project management. I tried to estimate some dates for accomplishing things [23:07] The idea is to try and get the final re-design of the Wiki by the time we need to prepare the next release [23:07] If we can't for any reason, it's okay [23:07] After all, we are volunteers, not employees :) [23:08] You should find some time to explore Launchpad, take the official tour and try it out as you feel like [23:08] github is a lot like launchpad [23:09] except launchpad can do builds [23:09] yes, I've taken the official tour. It just I find difficult to navigate between pages on launchpad [23:09] it can be, I'll give you that [23:09] but once you're under a project page, it's pretty easy actually, although you may need to get used to it [23:10] hi, wxl :) [23:11] derp [23:11] hehe [23:11] yes, but some projects are linked and sometimes it seems difficult to navigate between them, but now, it's okay [23:11] Nairwolf, wxl agreed that LP has some quirks here and there [23:11] yeap, that's the kind of things you need to get used to [23:11] In a few days, if you use it regularly, you'll master it [23:12] It is not very hard, although yea, it requires accomodation [23:13] for the python script, don't worry, it would be ready before the next release ! It's just that I need to stay focus on my VISA request, and prepare my journey to USA. In few weeks, I should have more time to finish this. [23:13] Sure, no worries men :) [23:13] You organize your agenda as you can [23:13] it's not really difficult as I've said. I just need to read more precisely doc of the python package [23:13] When you get to rest a bit, you come over and we can deal with that [23:14] if, for some reason, it doesn't get ready, we'll take care of that on another time [23:14] yes, don't worry [23:17] nice email gsilvapt [23:17] wxl, do you know how to solve the Google 2-step auth issue with @ubuntu.com email? [23:17] i again repeat: you are a natural born leader [23:18] actually, no, gsilvapt. i was thinking about getting a yubikey neo to do 2-factor on gmail among other things, so i may have some time to play with that. [23:18] Thank you, wxl. Now I see the message isn't perfect. Grammar mistakes and lack of coherency. Need to work more on that... [23:19] yeah well incremental improvement and all :) [23:19] Damn. I was busting my head very hard this afternoon. Apparently, if you have 2-step auth AND use the browser only, you'll screwed. rafael uses external mail clients and he is able to send emails from @ubuntu.com [23:20] gsilvapt: so you use browser only? [23:20] And yea, Google suggests you creating an app password in those cases, but well... It's a bloody browser. I've emailed rt@ubuntu.com to let them know about it, even though I doubt they'll do something about [23:20] Yes, wxl [23:20] i often do, too [23:20] what's the problem with the app password? [23:21] I only have this email account. I have one for college, but I don't use it. besides, all mail clients are bad and worthless - no offense [23:21] I also use 2factor and don't use a native client. [23:21] ah [23:21] Well, I can't send emails, although I can receive them. When the mail delivery system replies back, it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11102860/ [23:21] I try to keep as little as possible in local state [23:21] If I open the support link they provide, it will get me to the page where it suggests to create an app password for the client I'm using - But I am using the browser [23:22] actually that looks like the usual thing i get [23:22] then create an app password and use that for the browser. [23:22] the app password simply bypasses the 2-step process. [23:22] it's like 'mark this computer as trusted for 30 days' but doesn't expire. [23:23] Kamilion, I tried that. Following Google's suggestions made me change my google acc's password and all my devices were completely crazy [23:23] No way I'm doing that crazy mistake [23:23] I also had to create an app password for my android phone to sync with google. [23:23] Oh, and the email didn't work anyway :D [23:23] sounds like you may have misunderstood something [23:23] I then went mad and turned off 2-step security. The email immediately worked [23:23] and/or google changed things on you [23:23] gsilvapt: you followed these instructions? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Sending_email_from_GMail_with_your_Ubuntu_address [23:23] which HAS happened [23:24] Maybe, indeed Kamilion . They suggested creating an app password for my client, so I search for and there is nothing for browsers [23:24] ah yes, that workaround. [23:24] cuz the error is not the same but it links to the same URL [23:24] when i use that workaround, wxl, it stamps my messages differently [23:24] Picked one for non-specific purposes and they said to change the password for that one they gave me [23:24] which... well, made me suffer for 1 hour and such [23:24] "from gmail on behalf of [23:25] wxl, yes, I followed those steps [23:25] Kamilion: that's the only way to do it! [23:25] i mean there's no ubuntu.com smtp, so you are necessarily are going to be "on behalf" [23:25] and ubuntu.com has some kind of a TXT record allowing google's MX as an allowable one? [23:26] * wxl shrugs [23:26] not sure how exactly it works, i just know it does [23:26] ex: sllabs.com. 300 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx a:sllabs.com a:goldmine.sllabs.com a:hub.sllabs.com include:_spf.google.com ~all" [23:26] and i know there's no other way, except potentially using some other smtp [23:26] great, a new language :D [23:26] the bottom line is there is NO ubuntu smtp [23:28] hm, and it won't AXFR to me so i can read the entire zone. [23:28] wxl, I put everything properly in the settings [23:29] I don't know how the smtp thing works, but it seems that Gmail is assuming I'm trying to send from an external email client [23:29] yes, you're trying to use gmail's SMTP server from gmail. [23:30] oic [23:30] on the browser [23:30] it's unclear how to generate an app password [23:30] i can help you with that. [23:30] Okay, how do I generate an app password for a browser? [23:31] https://security.google.com/settings/security/apppasswords [23:31] the browser doesn't come up automagically [23:31] http://puu.sh/hMmLk/836fe855c5.png [23:31] you'll see something like that [23:32] scroll down to the bottom [23:32] http://puu.sh/hMmNl/0d1ddd7ed9.png [23:32] from "Select app" or "Select device", choose "Other (Custom name)" and type in an identifier for the password. [23:33] it can be anything? [23:33] like "Dumb Browser" [23:33] yep! [23:33] ahhh there you go gsilvapt [23:33] that's the key :) [23:33] and then it will give you the app-specific password [23:33] ONCE AND ONLY ONCE [23:33] so if you wish to reuse it (for example, for all your chrome browsers), you can [23:34] but I wouldn't recommend it [23:34] aaah, Google..... [23:34] You may revoke an app-specific password at any time. [23:34] It's like he doesn't want that you use an other email ^^ [23:34] if that works, gsilvapt edit the wiki to add in a 2 step section [23:35] Guys, I already tried that [23:35] It doesn't work [23:35] you do not need to change your account password [23:35] gsilvapt: you added an app password? [23:35] yeap [23:35] it is still there [23:35] http://prntscr.com/74xuzu [23:36] and let me guess: you never get prompted for it [23:36] and this was the password you entered in the SMTP password box? [23:36] no [23:36] with as the username, sans brackets? [23:36] let me give it a try then [23:37] wxl, can you confirm if you received my message? [23:38] can send a test message to me at kamilion@gmail.com [23:38] gsilvapt: confirmed [23:38] wow [23:38] but sounds like you got it. [23:38] all in the wrist. [23:38] PLEASE add to the wiki!!! [23:39] would any of you mind testing to see if I can receive? [23:39] gsilvapt@ubuntu.com [23:39] I will, wxl [23:39] message sent [23:39] sent [23:39] Ah, cool [23:40] got both [23:40] cool [23:40] thanks, Kamilion :) [23:40] eeeeasy [23:40] just wait until i get my yubikey neo [23:40] * wxl squees [23:40] lemme go whack the wiki [23:40] I can handle that [23:40] i'm going to try to get work to pay for it but if not i'm getting one anyways [23:40] I understood the process - although the wiki is super slow [23:41] wxl: which? [23:41] I <3 my yubikey classic. [23:41] gsilvapt: now if you ever figure out a really good reliable solution for pgp in gmail, let me know [23:41] wxl: do you use chrome? [23:43] Kamilion: the neo. it can act as a smart card, handle openpgp, fido u2f AAAAND works with nfc [23:43] https://github.com/google/end-to-end [23:43] Kamilion: yeah [23:43] experimental tho :( [23:43] maybe i should just try it [23:43] i've tried mailvelope but not happy with it [23:44] there's also https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mymail-crypt-for-gmail/jcaobjhdnlpmopmjhijplpjhlplfkhba?hl=en-US [23:44] can anyone log in the Wiki? Damn, the thing is slow today [23:44] nope [23:44] lots of bad review on mymail [23:45] pretty much. [23:45] mailvelope works for someone but not for me [23:45] i think the problem lies somewhere in gmail [23:46] since "plain text" mode wraps at 79 characters [23:46] to be honest? I still use enigmail in thunderbird. [23:46] and "rich text" makes for html mail blah [23:46] yeah enigmail works [23:46] i just don't want another thing [23:46] me either [23:46] but tbird was my old mail client before I switched to gmail [23:46] and for the few times where I need to use my keybase.io identity to cryptomail someone, it works [23:47] and thunderbird portable is a big help [23:47] would be nice to automagically sign everything [23:47] once End-to-End hits, that'll be an easier target [23:48] yeah i know [23:48] though with Inbox looming [23:48] dunno [23:48] inbox looming? [23:48] I'm not enthused [23:48] looming like it's going to take over? [23:48] cuz i didn't like it [23:48] http://www.google.com/inbox/ [23:48] basically the android gmail client in-browser [23:49] oh jesus elliptic curve [23:49] no WONDER it's not official [23:49] kinda like how Opera used to have a built in mail client and IRC client [23:49] oh noes mojibake! [23:50] anywho i've been watching it [23:50] EC? Shoot, what curve are they using? Hopefully not NIST P-224 :/ [23:50] dunno didn't read that far [23:51] wxl, have a read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Gmail-specific [23:51] at least it's not EdDSA :) [23:52] a few wee grammatical fixes but works gsilvapt :) [23:52] I'll clean up that wording a bit [23:52] there ya go [23:52] wxl, I don't know if you saw but I've emailed all lists recently to get their feedback on the Online Conferences thing. How long should I wait to get some replies? [23:52] Oh, okay. [23:52] I'll check the differences after you update it [23:52] gsilvapt: lemme look more and i'll let you know. been busy :( [23:53] Yea, no worries. Just wondering for how long should I wait to get some answers before giving up :D [23:53] well i need to analyze the email and make sure it's clear because i was originally confused by the doc if you remember correctly [23:56] yeah, I remember that