[02:41] <ahoneybun> gsilva: wxl there is a ubuntu-doc meeting june 2nd (don;t know the time)
[02:41] <ahoneybun> we can discuss what I was talking about earier
[23:01] <gsilvapt> and please discuss it here, please, Nairwolf
[23:04] <Kamilion> ?
[23:05] <Kamilion> oh
[23:05] <Nairwolf> yes, it's better here
[23:06] <Nairwolf> what did you mean about the release date for the python script ?
[23:06] <Nairwolf> Hi, Kamilion ;)
[23:06] <gsilvapt> Nairwolf, LP is an online project management. I tried to estimate some dates for accomplishing things
[23:07] <gsilvapt> The idea is to try and get the final re-design of the Wiki by the time we need to prepare the next release
[23:07] <gsilvapt> If we can't for any reason, it's okay
[23:07] <gsilvapt> After all, we are volunteers, not employees :)
[23:08] <gsilvapt> You should find some time to explore Launchpad, take the official tour and try it out as you feel like
[23:08] <wxl> github is a lot like launchpad
[23:09] <Kamilion> except launchpad can do builds
[23:09] <Nairwolf> yes, I've taken the official tour. It just I find difficult to navigate between pages on launchpad
[23:09] <gsilvapt> it can be, I'll give you that
[23:09] <gsilvapt> but once you're under a project page, it's pretty easy actually, although you may need to get used to it
[23:10] <gsilvapt> hi, wxl :)
[23:11] <wxl> derp
[23:11] <gsilvapt> hehe
[23:11] <Nairwolf> yes, but some projects are linked and sometimes it seems difficult to navigate between them, but now, it's okay
[23:11] <gsilvapt> Nairwolf, wxl agreed that LP has some quirks here and there
[23:11] <gsilvapt> yeap, that's the kind of things you need to get used to
[23:11] <gsilvapt> In a few days, if you use it regularly, you'll master it
[23:12] <gsilvapt> It is not very hard, although yea, it requires accomodation
[23:13] <Nairwolf> for the python script, don't worry, it would be ready before the next release ! It's just that I need to stay focus on my VISA request, and prepare my journey to USA. In few weeks, I should have more time to finish this.
[23:13] <gsilvapt> Sure, no worries men :)
[23:13] <gsilvapt> You organize your agenda as you can
[23:13] <Nairwolf> it's not really difficult as I've said. I just need to read more precisely doc of the python package
[23:13] <gsilvapt> When you get to rest a bit, you come over and we can deal with that
[23:14] <gsilvapt> if, for some reason, it doesn't get ready, we'll take care of that on another time
[23:14] <Nairwolf> yes, don't worry
[23:17] <wxl> nice email gsilvapt
[23:17] <gsilvapt> wxl, do you know how to solve the Google 2-step auth issue with @ubuntu.com email?
[23:17] <wxl> i again repeat: you are a natural born leader
[23:18] <wxl> actually, no, gsilvapt. i was thinking about getting a yubikey neo to do 2-factor on gmail among other things, so i may have some time to play with that.
[23:18] <gsilvapt> Thank you, wxl. Now I see the message isn't perfect. Grammar mistakes and lack of coherency. Need to work more on that...
[23:19] <wxl> yeah well incremental improvement and all :)
[23:19] <gsilvapt> Damn. I was busting my head very hard this afternoon. Apparently, if you have 2-step auth AND use the browser only, you'll screwed. rafael uses external mail clients and he is able to send emails from @ubuntu.com
[23:20] <wxl> gsilvapt: so you use browser only?
[23:20] <gsilvapt> And yea, Google suggests you creating an app password in those cases, but well... It's a bloody browser. I've emailed rt@ubuntu.com to let them know about it, even though I doubt they'll do something about
[23:20] <gsilvapt> Yes, wxl
[23:20] <wxl> i often do, too
[23:20] <wxl> what's the problem with the app password?
[23:21] <gsilvapt> I only have this email account. I have one for college, but I don't use it. besides, all mail clients are bad and worthless - no offense
[23:21] <Kamilion> I also use 2factor and don't use a native client.
[23:21] <wxl> ah
[23:21] <gsilvapt> Well, I can't send emails, although I can receive them. When the mail delivery system replies back, it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11102860/
[23:21] <Kamilion> I try to keep as little as possible in local state
[23:21] <gsilvapt> If I open the support link they provide, it will get me to the page where it suggests to create an app password for the client I'm using - But I am using the browser
[23:22] <wxl> actually that looks like the usual thing i get
[23:22] <Kamilion> then create an app password and use that for the browser.
[23:22] <Kamilion> the app password simply bypasses the 2-step process.
[23:22] <Kamilion> it's like 'mark this computer as trusted for 30 days' but doesn't expire.
[23:23] <gsilvapt> Kamilion, I tried that. Following Google's suggestions made me change my google acc's password and all my devices were completely crazy
[23:23] <gsilvapt> No way I'm doing that crazy mistake
[23:23] <Kamilion> I also had to create an app password for my android phone to sync with google.
[23:23] <gsilvapt> Oh, and the email didn't work anyway :D
[23:23] <Kamilion> sounds like you may have misunderstood something
[23:23] <gsilvapt> I then went mad and turned off 2-step security. The email immediately worked
[23:23] <Kamilion> and/or google changed things on you
[23:23] <wxl> gsilvapt: you followed these instructions? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Sending_email_from_GMail_with_your_Ubuntu_address
[23:23] <Kamilion> which HAS happened
[23:24] <gsilvapt> Maybe, indeed Kamilion . They suggested creating an app password for my client, so I search for and there is nothing for browsers
[23:24] <Kamilion> ah yes, that workaround.
[23:24] <wxl> cuz the error is not the same but it links to the same URL
[23:24] <Kamilion> when i use that workaround, wxl, it stamps my messages differently
[23:24] <gsilvapt> Picked one for non-specific purposes and they said to change the password for that one they gave me
[23:24] <gsilvapt> which... well, made me suffer for 1 hour and such
[23:24] <Kamilion> "from gmail on behalf of <real.address@domain.tld>
[23:25] <gsilvapt> wxl, yes, I followed those steps
[23:25] <wxl> Kamilion: that's the only way to do it!
[23:25] <wxl> i mean there's no ubuntu.com smtp, so you are necessarily are going to be "on behalf"
[23:25] <Kamilion> and ubuntu.com has some kind of a TXT record allowing google's MX as an allowable one?
[23:26]  * wxl shrugs
[23:26] <wxl> not sure how exactly it works, i just know it does
[23:26] <Kamilion> ex: sllabs.com.             300     IN      TXT     "v=spf1 a mx a:sllabs.com a:goldmine.sllabs.com a:hub.sllabs.com include:_spf.google.com ~all"
[23:26] <wxl> and i know there's no other way, except potentially using some other smtp
[23:26] <gsilvapt> great, a new language :D
[23:26] <wxl> the bottom line is there is NO ubuntu smtp
[23:28] <Kamilion> hm, and it won't AXFR to me so i can read the entire zone.
[23:28] <gsilvapt> wxl, I put everything properly in the settings
[23:29] <gsilvapt> I don't know how the smtp thing works, but it seems that Gmail is assuming I'm trying to send from an external email client
[23:29] <Kamilion> yes, you're trying to use gmail's SMTP server from gmail.
[23:30] <wxl> oic
[23:30] <gsilvapt> on the browser
[23:30] <wxl> it's unclear how to generate an app password
[23:30] <Kamilion> i can help you with that.
[23:30] <gsilvapt> Okay, how do I generate an app password for a browser?
[23:31] <Kamilion> https://security.google.com/settings/security/apppasswords
[23:31] <wxl> the browser doesn't come up automagically
[23:31] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/hMmLk/836fe855c5.png
[23:31] <Kamilion> you'll see something like that
[23:32] <Kamilion> scroll down to the bottom
[23:32] <Kamilion> http://puu.sh/hMmNl/0d1ddd7ed9.png
[23:32] <Kamilion> from "Select app" or "Select device", choose "Other (Custom name)" and type in an identifier for the password.
[23:33] <wxl> it can be anything?
[23:33] <wxl> like "Dumb Browser"
[23:33] <Kamilion> yep!
[23:33] <wxl> ahhh there you go gsilvapt
[23:33] <wxl> that's the key :)
[23:33] <Kamilion> and then it will give you the app-specific password
[23:33] <Kamilion> ONCE AND ONLY ONCE
[23:33] <Kamilion> so if you wish to reuse it (for example, for all your chrome browsers), you can
[23:34] <Kamilion> but I wouldn't recommend it
[23:34] <Nairwolf> aaah, Google.....
[23:34] <Kamilion> You may revoke an app-specific password at any time.
[23:34] <Nairwolf> It's like he doesn't want that you use an other email ^^
[23:34] <wxl> if that works, gsilvapt edit the wiki to add in a 2 step section
[23:35] <gsilvapt> Guys, I already tried that
[23:35] <gsilvapt> It doesn't work
[23:35] <Kamilion> you do not need to change your account password
[23:35] <wxl> gsilvapt: you added an app password?
[23:35] <gsilvapt> yeap
[23:35] <gsilvapt> it is still there
[23:35] <gsilvapt> http://prntscr.com/74xuzu
[23:36] <wxl> and let me guess: you never get prompted for it
[23:36] <Kamilion> and this was the password you entered in the SMTP password box?
[23:36] <gsilvapt> no
[23:36] <Kamilion> with <yourgmailusername@gmail.com> as the username, sans brackets?
[23:36] <gsilvapt> let me give it a try then
[23:37] <gsilvapt> wxl, can you confirm if you received my message?
[23:38] <Kamilion> can send a test message to me at kamilion@gmail.com
[23:38] <wxl> gsilvapt: confirmed
[23:38] <gsilvapt> wow
[23:38] <Kamilion> but sounds like you got it.
[23:38] <Kamilion> all in the wrist.
[23:38] <wxl> PLEASE add to the wiki!!!
[23:39] <gsilvapt> would any of you mind testing to see if I can receive?
[23:39] <gsilvapt> gsilvapt@ubuntu.com
[23:39] <gsilvapt> I will, wxl
[23:39] <Kamilion> message sent
[23:39] <wxl> sent
[23:39] <gsilvapt> Ah, cool
[23:40] <gsilvapt> got both
[23:40] <gsilvapt> cool
[23:40] <gsilvapt> thanks, Kamilion :)
[23:40] <wxl> eeeeasy
[23:40] <wxl> just wait until i get my yubikey neo
[23:40]  * wxl squees
[23:40] <Kamilion> lemme go whack the wiki
[23:40] <gsilvapt> I can handle that
[23:40] <wxl> i'm going to try to get work to pay for it but if not i'm getting one anyways
[23:40] <gsilvapt> I understood the process - although the wiki is super slow
[23:41] <Kamilion> wxl: which?
[23:41] <Kamilion> I <3 my yubikey classic.
[23:41] <wxl> gsilvapt: now if you ever figure out a really good reliable solution for pgp in gmail, let me know
[23:41] <Kamilion> wxl: do you use chrome?
[23:43] <wxl> Kamilion: the neo. it can act as a smart card, handle openpgp, fido u2f AAAAND works with nfc
[23:43] <Kamilion> https://github.com/google/end-to-end
[23:43] <wxl> Kamilion: yeah
[23:43] <wxl> experimental tho :(
[23:43] <wxl> maybe i should just try it
[23:43] <wxl> i've tried mailvelope but not happy with it
[23:44] <Kamilion> there's also https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mymail-crypt-for-gmail/jcaobjhdnlpmopmjhijplpjhlplfkhba?hl=en-US
[23:44] <gsilvapt> can anyone log in the Wiki? Damn, the thing is slow today
[23:44] <Kamilion> nope
[23:44] <wxl> lots of bad review on mymail
[23:45] <Kamilion> pretty much.
[23:45] <wxl> mailvelope works for someone but not for me
[23:45] <wxl> i think the problem lies somewhere in gmail
[23:46] <wxl> since "plain text" mode wraps at 79 characters
[23:46] <Kamilion> to be honest? I still use enigmail in thunderbird.
[23:46] <wxl> and "rich text" makes for html mail blah
[23:46] <wxl> yeah enigmail works
[23:46] <wxl> i just don't want another thing
[23:46] <Kamilion> me either
[23:46] <Kamilion> but tbird was my old mail client before I switched to gmail
[23:46] <Kamilion> and for the few times where I need to use my keybase.io identity to cryptomail someone, it works
[23:47] <Kamilion> and thunderbird portable is a big help
[23:47] <wxl> would be nice to automagically sign everything
[23:47] <Kamilion> once End-to-End hits, that'll be an easier target
[23:48] <wxl> yeah i know
[23:48] <Kamilion> though with Inbox looming
[23:48] <Kamilion> dunno
[23:48] <wxl> inbox looming?
[23:48] <Kamilion> I'm not enthused
[23:48] <wxl> looming like it's going to take over?
[23:48] <wxl> cuz i didn't like it
[23:48] <Kamilion> http://www.google.com/inbox/
[23:48] <Kamilion> basically the android gmail client in-browser
[23:49] <wxl> oh jesus elliptic curve
[23:49] <wxl> no WONDER it's not official
[23:49] <Kamilion> kinda like how Opera used to have a built in mail client and IRC client
[23:49] <wxl> oh noes mojibake!
[23:50] <wxl> anywho i've been watching it
[23:50] <Kamilion> EC? Shoot, what curve are they using? Hopefully not NIST P-224 :/
[23:50] <wxl> dunno didn't read that far
[23:51] <gsilvapt> wxl, have a read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Gmail-specific
[23:51] <wxl> at least it's not EdDSA :)
[23:52] <wxl> a few wee grammatical fixes but works gsilvapt :)
[23:52] <Kamilion> I'll clean up that wording a bit
[23:52] <wxl> there ya go
[23:52] <gsilvapt> wxl, I don't know if you saw but I've emailed all lists recently to get their feedback on the Online Conferences thing. How long should I wait to get some replies?
[23:52] <gsilvapt> Oh, okay.
[23:52] <gsilvapt> I'll check the differences after you update it
[23:52] <wxl> gsilvapt: lemme look more and i'll let you know. been busy :(
[23:53] <gsilvapt> Yea, no worries. Just wondering for how long should I wait to get some answers before giving up :D
[23:53] <wxl> well i need to analyze the email and make sure it's clear because i was originally confused by the doc if you remember correctly
[23:56] <gsilvapt> yeah, I remember that