=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === ondra_ is now known as ondra === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:46] Morning all o/ [06:53] Morning all === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [07:16] good morning [07:55] what do people think, would http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qmlstatemachine.html be useful to have for our apps? opinions? === AlanBell_ is now known as AlanBell === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:19] Mirv: I would definately welcome the state machine framework. It would ceratinly help (for me anyway) to layout a much clearer behavioural description of a program. [08:20] bzoltan: ^ [08:21] DanChapman: thanks for the input. it just occurred to us when we were looking that we're currently missing qml-module-qtqml-models2 and then bzoltan checked what else we might want to have [08:35] Mirv IIRC we already have all the models in QtQml.models provided by QtQuick but with a different name ObjectModel ->VisualItemModel, DelegateModel - > VisualDataModel, DelegateModelGroup -> VisualDataGroup. [08:39] DanChapman: so this'd be http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtqml-models-qmlmodule.html [08:40] not sure what's the difference indeed [08:41] anyway, the qml module 100kB in size [08:41] and another developer requested to have it [08:44] Mirv http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-visualitemmodel.html suggests the Visual* models provided by QtQuick are only kept for compatability reasons. [08:44] s/suggests/says [08:46] right [08:54] I am trying to build a program for the rtm-14.09 emulator, but when I run qmake it says it can't find "feature ubuntu-click" for the load(ubuntu-click) command, and the manifest.json.in file disappears from the files list. How can I fix this? [09:29] dpm, balloons, davidcalle, mhall119: if you're a bit bored and want to do something different for a change, maybe you can review a bit of code: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433525/+merge/258866 :-P [09:38] oSoMoN_: good morning. addressed comments in https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/find-in-page/+merge/258225 and left some replies too === sturmflut2 is now known as sturmflut_ [09:39] nerochiaro, thanks, I’ll take a look [09:45] nerochiaro, can you please revert revision 998 ? we do pot updates separately, directly on trunk, to avoid conflicts when landing several MRs that can potentially update the template [09:46] oSoMoN_: reverted [09:46] thx [10:10] Hello, what are you working on :) [10:10] nerochiaro, I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/find-in-page/+merge/258225 [10:12] oSoMoN: my point about the string is that the slash is just a visual thing, i could be an icon. but I will i18n it anyway [10:12] popey, whom do i poke to get ubottu into #snappy ? [10:12] oSoMoN: it might be relevant for RTL languages, that's the only thing I can think of [10:13] nerochiaro, or other more exotic languages you don’t know of [10:13] nerochiaro, that’s my point, one can’t possibly know all languages out there, so we have to assume this might be translated to look different in another language [10:14] oSoMoN: fair enough. i'm on it. though i am ready to bet 20 bucks that it will not get translated [10:14] ;) [10:15] nerochiaro, how would you verify that? [10:15] ogra_: someone in #ubuntu-irc - possible AlanBell [10:15] oSoMoN: don't we have all the translations in LP ? [10:16] popey, thanks ! [10:16] nerochiaro, well, we do have a number of translations, but they represent only a subset of the languages of the world, and at any time someone can add a new language [10:16] nerochiaro, heck, I’m sure we can even translate into klingon or elvish, and who knows how elves represent the result of a find in page action? [10:17] oSoMoN: well, set a cut off date then. if in, say, one year, no one has bothered to translate it, then I win, otherwise you win [10:17] oSoMoN: beers at the next sprint [10:18] nerochiaro, man, you really like to argue for the sake of arguing (and of winning arguments). But beers at the next sprint is fine :) [10:18] oSoMoN: it is just a bet dude. i am fixing the code [10:19] nerochiaro, your chances of winning are very slim, I could be spending a large amount of time finding a language that proves you wrong and adding its translation to LP :) [10:20] oSoMoN: well then you have "free" beer :) [10:20] oSoMoN: and we have one more translation in LP and you learned some new language. win-win [10:42] mzanetti: ping [10:43] hey mivoligo [10:45] mzanetti: about MvsM, when testing new levels, I'm changing level.json files in /data/lpbuild. Can I copy them to levelpack folder just like they are or the formatting is important? [10:46] mivoligo, the formatting isn't important, however, the build script replaces sizes and coordinates depending on the generated base size [10:47] mzanetti: so it will be important for towers.json [10:47] yeah... I think all of them have some sizes in it... not exactly sure right now [10:48] mzanetti: ok [10:48] mzanetti: 3 levels to go BTW :) [10:49] mivoligo, awesome :D [10:49] mzanetti: yesterday I've spent about 4 hour on one level :D [10:50] mzanetti: I hope it'll take as much time for players ;) [10:50] yeah... I was sooo glad when I was done with it... [10:51] seriously looking forward to that, my brain is melting :D === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [11:24] oSoMoN: i18n fixed === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:29] hey guys, i just want initiate a talk about the calendar app [11:29] currently it is in terrible shape and has nearly no dev activity...imho a celndar app is core functionality and i know 3 people that can't use the phone because of this... [11:31] currently there are 30 New bugs and 87 Open bugs in the app...many of them should be really high priority since they make the app unusable.... [11:31] oSoMoN: and i am testing your delay fullscreen hint MR but I see no visual difference when I test it on the device on this test page: http://pearce.org.nz/fullscreen (and press the "toggle fullscreen" button") [11:32] nerochiaro, without my patch, are you not seeing the hint move upwards just after being shown, when the indicators bar is being hidden? [11:32] oSoMoN: yes, but i see a similar flickering with your patch too [11:33] Masternoob: many of the bugs in the calendar app are actually in the sync service underneath. Which specific ones are you talking about? [11:33] oSoMoN: oh, wait a second, it does not actually move. the flickering is below in the page [11:33] oSoMoN: sorry, it did confuse my eyes [11:33] Masternoob: 88 is a really lower number of bugs for such a complex piece of software, take a look at unity 8 or settings app for something equally complex but those are used daily with no complaints. [11:34] Masternoob: also without specific bugs it's really hard to have a conversation [11:34] nerochiaro, yeah, I’ve had to observe it from up close quite a few times to convince myself that it fixed the issue, there are many things happening on screen which divert the eye [11:35] oSoMoN: but it does not move, so i would say happroved [11:35] hawesome :) [11:42] A example for a bug that makes the app unusable for me (and a few people i know) is 1309042, Bugs that make the app also unsusable or very annoying to use are 1438946 , 1437305 , 1311165 .... [11:43] in my personal opinion these are also the bugs that block the app from being in the default image (there are maybe more, i didn't go through the whole list) === justCarakas1 is now known as justCarakas [11:49] * ahoneybun 's app is at 830 downloads [11:49] Masternoob: let me take a look [11:50] morning (from here) popey [11:50] yo [11:51] Masternoob: can you print those bugs one at a time so the bot can do the links? ie bug 1309042 [11:51] bug 1309042 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Calendar sync only syncs the default calendar" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309042 [11:51] how does my app look on a BQ device? [11:51] bug 1438946 [11:51] bug 1438946 in Ubuntu Calendar App "All day events are stored to previous day" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438946 [11:51] bug 1437305 [11:51] bug 1437305 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "Wrong date day icon display and one day before events day in month view" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437305 [11:51] bug 1311165 [11:51] bug 1311165 in qtorganizer5-eds (Ubuntu) "timezone incorrectly modified when editing/creating google calendar event" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311165 [11:52] not really necessary :) [11:52] popey: makes it much easier to access the links from elinks, trust me :) [11:52] meh [11:53] i support the lazyness :D [11:54] so for bug 1309042 read comment #2 and #6. [11:54] bug 1309042 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Calendar sync only syncs the default calendar" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309042 [11:54] we can't fix that until we switch to a different calendar sync engine, which we are doing [11:55] for bug 1438946 - I asked for more detail and you only provided that 45 minutes ago. [11:55] bug 1438946 in Ubuntu Calendar App "All day events are stored to previous day" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438946 [11:56] Masternoob: but I'll take a look at them all. [11:57] That is very nice of you, as for bug 1309042 ... shouldn't be the status "in progress " since it is worked on? Or is the change of the sync engine a completely unrelated process? [11:57] bug 1309042 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Calendar sync only syncs the default calendar" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1309042 [12:01] My biggest problem with the calendar is when notifications are made even when reminders are switched off. My wife is getting rather annoyed by midnight chimes for all day events. I can't see a bug for that on the list. Is it fixed upstream? [12:02] mcphail i think this is bug 1440111 [12:02] bug 1440111 in Ubuntu Calendar App "Reminder notifications are not integrated into system notifications" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440111 [12:02] thats by design. [12:03] Masternoob: that's not what happens to me. When I have events with "no reminder" set, I still get notifications [12:04] oh...i see [12:05] popey this is by design? really? Why should the user get notifications even when he created events with no notifications? [12:05] no, thats not what I said [12:05] it's by design that calendar / clock events are in the date/time indicator [12:06] my problem may have happened due to a bit of botched syncing with my google calendar. A lot of the events got duplicated (although they still didn;t have reminders set) [12:06] * mcphail is going to experiment further before filing a bug [12:06] popey oh sry ..understood you wrong there [12:07] The big issue with calendar is limited development resources. [12:07] We have one guy working on it, and one guy working on the backend. [12:07] Would love to get more people involved. [12:07] the calendar is a whole let better than any I used on Android [12:07] *lot [12:08] hmm maybe i should look into ubuntu app developement when i find the time [12:08] * ahoneybun thinks you should [12:08] that would be awesome :) [12:08] especially some of the smaller ones like the coloured dots one [12:08] everyone here is amazing help [12:09] ahoneybun: what app you're need me to check the look on bq phone? :) [12:09] mivoligo: uBegginer and Gazeteer please :-) [12:09] ahoneybun: ok [12:10] * ahoneybun will be back [12:10] colored dots one? [12:12] bug 1454657 [12:12] bug 1454657 in Ubuntu Calendar App ""Month" overview uses misleading colours for events" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454657 [12:14] ahoneybun: http://i.imgur.com/MQtxeXX.png [12:14] yeah....that seems like a good place to start [12:16] do i still need to use the custom ppa for the SDK or is it in the main repos with 15.04? [12:18] mivoligo: hey I tried your timer app. What API did you end up using? [12:18] Yes, always use the ppa Masternoob [12:18] ok thx [12:18] mivoligo: I have had mixed results. Sometimes I see the timer in the indicator-datetime, and sometimes not. As a result the timer ends up ringing only sometimes when it is running in the background. [12:19] nik90: does podbird devel work on vivid? [12:19] nik90: hi, I used Alarm [12:20] popey: it *only* works on vivid..it uses the new 15.04 APIs === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:20] ahh [12:20] perfick [12:20] * popey tests on mx4 [12:21] nik90: you're testing the Timer on stable or vivid? [12:21] mivoligo: hmm strange that it sometimes doesn't appear in the indicator. I will take a look at the code when I find some time. But really nice to see zeegaree's code being reused in Timer. [12:21] mivoligo: I am testing it on N4 Vivid [12:22] nik90: might be something with that, I use stable only [12:22] ah..will give it a try on my BQ [12:23] * nik90 thinks that the digital gods are against him...hasn't still received OTA 3.5 :P [12:23] nik90: seems broken here. i can't download episodes. [12:23] ahoneybun: http://i.imgur.com/KpgTOMs.png <- this one does not scroll, it's static and two bottom buttons are cut out :) [12:24] gah! found the swipe action [12:24] popey: ah yes I migrated to the swipe actions...I am planning to add a gesture tutorial similar to what we have in unity8 [12:25] i still see nothin in "What's new" [12:25] even after forcing download [12:25] force harder ? [12:25] hmm, it's older than 7 days, i guess that's why [12:25] popey: What's new only shows episodes that have not been listened and not older than 7 days by you regardless of whether you downloaded it or not. [12:26] ok [12:26] mivoligo: you're right. I can only reproduce this bug on vivid. [12:27] nik90: :D so vivid is buggy [12:27] mivoligo: also there are some minor issues in the UI (buttons overlapping and so on) that I will report bugs about. [12:27] mivoligo: :D [12:27] nik90: yeah, UI was only good for bq [12:28] mivoligo: well atleast now I can time my pizza properly thanks to you :P..well one minor ui still lies in the BQ and other on n4 [12:28] nik90: can you post a screenshot? [12:28] nvr mind..I cant reproduce the UI issue on BQ anymore...strange [12:28] :D [12:29] the reset and save buttons in the main screen didnt hide fully..I saw its edges when they slided out...but as I said cant reproduce it anymore [12:30] nik90: maybe animation didn't finished properly [12:30] mivoligo: yeah could be === sturmflut_ is now known as sturmflut [12:33] balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433525/+merge/258866 - now with extra testing goodness! [12:37] hmmm is it normal to get prompted to format a memory card regardless of whether it's working? the same card is fine in other devices [13:06] Nice, I asked my telecom provider if there would be a possibility to get their app on ubuntu [13:07] and I got the response with the question if their developers could ask me some questions about devving for ubuntu :D [13:09] justCarakas: ooh nice :) [13:22] I'm working on a small qml app where it has some URLs that are used in XmlListModel's. Currently those url's are hard coded into the XmlListModel's, but I'd like to externalize them somehow. I was hoping the group her could offer some advice. What's the recommended way of doing this? === alexabreu is now known as alex-abreu [13:34] nik90: ping [13:40] speaking of nik90, I see in his flashback app, he created a "Backend" js object, where he keeps such properties and has accessor functions to read them. perhaps that's the way to go, although I'd still like to hear other ideas. [13:50] balloons, ok... the bug is really fixed now, with lots more tests now: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433525/+merge/258866 [13:50] I'd appreciate if we could land this and release 0.2 [13:51] err, 0.3 :) [13:52] or whatever is next [13:58] yep, 0.3, I just re-milestoned a bunch of bugs [14:07] nik90: since you are here, i really think bug 1454267 should be an option ;-) [14:07] bug 1454267 in podbird "Allow users to set "read percentage"" [Medium,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454267 === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === Benno-007 is now known as Guest73908 === sturmflut is now known as sturmflut2 === Guest73908 is now known as help === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === help is now known as Guest89225 [15:23] balloons, davidcalle, mhall119: not sure if you have a bit of time today, but any reviews for https://code.launchpad.net/help-app/+activereviews would be much appreciated :) [15:24] dholbach, I'm reviewing [15:25] balloons, <3 === Guest89225 is now known as Benno-007 [15:39] where do i find good tutorials to start contributing to the coreapps? [15:52] balloons, more more more! [15:53] Masternoob, did you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps and the pages linked from there? [15:53] Masternoob, developer.ubuntu.com teaches you how to use the sdk and get started [15:53] Masternoob, which app are you interested in? [15:53] then as dholbach said, the wiki can help tell you more about coreapps [15:53] did somebody introduce you to the Alan of Core Apps already? [15:54] i would be interested in the calendar app but i need to gain some knowledge first :) [15:54] maybe there are some small, bitesize bugs you could start on? [15:54] and maybe just ask in here for help? [15:54] there's quite a bunch of knowledgeable and friendly people who should be able to help [15:55] ok thank you, i will just try it and come here when i get stuck ;-) [15:55] excellent [15:55] if in doubt: just ask [15:56] either here or in #ubuntu-touch [15:56] it sometimes takes a a bit until somebody replies, but you basically have all the experts in here :) [15:57] thanks [16:19] balloons, do you think you'll still have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433525/+merge/258866 - in that case I'd release 0.3 later on [16:19] ^ or anyone else? [16:22] dholbach, I've been looking at it on and off [16:22] ok, cool :) [16:22] lol, can't seem to finish it [16:23] did you test on the device? [16:23] yes [16:23] I think I'm otherwise happy with it [16:24] my phone is dead atm though [16:24] <3 [16:24] charging charging . . . [16:24] I'll do a test-run before releasing and ask somebody else to confirm before letting it into the wild [16:24] it's interesting if it gets too low overnight it likes to not come on in the morning for some time unless I recharge it first [16:24] sounds good [16:25] https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/misc-debug/+merge/259011 was basically just adding more debugging information [16:26] ahh, so the only arg you pass for now is --inspector [16:26] is there a need for me to pass something else? could you directly hand things off? [16:27] balloons, no, it'll just pass --inspector if you run "DEBUG=1 make launch" [16:36] dholbach, right. .But since you added the feature to pass things; is there a reason I might want to pass anything else? [16:38] balloons, hum, I'm not quite sure I'm following [16:38] "make launch" will just launch the phone app [16:39] that's all it ever did [16:39] you mean adding another argument to ubuntu-html5-app-launcher? [16:39] I don't know if it comes with other options [16:40] it doesn't have a man page and no -h/--help :-) [16:43] dholbach, ok.. that more or less answers the question [16:43] :) [17:41] balloons, popey, mhall119: does anyone of you have time to do a quick sanity check on https://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/help.ubuntucoredev_0.3_all.click? most notable change should be that links (like on the get in touch page) open in a separate browser [17:46] (it works for me, just tested it) [17:47] balloons, popey: if you can do a release, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11116751/ could be a small changelog for 0.3 [17:47] <3 [17:49] dholbach, ohh excellent. sounds good [17:49] thanks balloons! [17:52] * balloons can't seem to get the click now [17:54] bizarre [17:54] hang on [17:54] balloons, try http instead of https [17:54] got it.. [17:55] and pushed [17:55] thanks a lot balloons! [17:55] yw [17:55] enjoy your evening and ancension day! [17:56] will do! [17:56] big hugs! === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [18:09] I'm probably being thick, but how do I create a project in launchpad? [18:10] aah - no worries: just saw you have to do it from the home page rather than user page. Whoops! [18:27] Is anyone from the UCS team available? [18:28] mcphail, what's the USC team? [18:28] ubuntu component store [18:29] ah [18:29] * beuno sits back down and stays quiet [18:29] usually nik90 and aquaris [18:48] popey: re the terminal app I saw the uos thing on it last night. The button for OSK can you make it more transparent when there is a keyboard attached? That way the end user on a desktop gets more screen estate but still keeps the button if they want to use the osk? [18:48] just a thought === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN === Ionic is now known as Guest77056 === Guest77056 is now known as Ionic [20:39] happy birthday ahayzen!!!! === Benno-007 is now known as Guest82717 === Guest82717 is now known as Benno-007