[06:46] <davidcalle> Morning all o/
[06:53] <justCarakas> Morning all
[07:16] <dholbach> good morning
[07:55] <Mirv> what do people think, would http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qmlstatemachine.html be useful to have for our apps? opinions?
[08:19] <DanChapman> Mirv: I would definately welcome the state machine framework. It would ceratinly help (for me anyway) to layout a much clearer behavioural description of a program.
[08:20] <Mirv> bzoltan: ^
[08:21] <Mirv> DanChapman: thanks for the input. it just occurred to us when we were looking that we're currently missing qml-module-qtqml-models2 and then bzoltan  checked what else we might want to have
[08:35] <DanChapman> Mirv IIRC we already have all the models in QtQml.models provided by QtQuick but with a different name ObjectModel ->VisualItemModel, DelegateModel - > VisualDataModel, DelegateModelGroup -> VisualDataGroup.
[08:39] <Mirv> DanChapman: so this'd be http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtqml-models-qmlmodule.html
[08:40] <Mirv> not sure what's the difference indeed
[08:41] <Mirv> anyway, the qml module 100kB in size
[08:41] <Mirv> and another developer requested to have it
[08:44] <DanChapman> Mirv http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-visualitemmodel.html suggests the Visual* models provided by QtQuick are only kept for compatability reasons.
[08:44] <DanChapman> s/suggests/says
[08:46] <Mirv> right
[08:54] <vitimiti> I am trying to build a program for the rtm-14.09 emulator, but when I run qmake it says it can't find "feature ubuntu-click" for the load(ubuntu-click) command, and the manifest.json.in file disappears from the files list. How can I fix this?
[09:29] <dholbach> dpm, balloons, davidcalle, mhall119: if you're a bit bored and want to do something different for a change, maybe you can review a bit of code: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433525/+merge/258866 :-P
[09:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN_: good morning. addressed comments in https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/find-in-page/+merge/258225 and left some replies too
[09:39] <oSoMoN_> nerochiaro, thanks, I’ll take a look
[09:45] <oSoMoN_> nerochiaro, can you please revert revision 998 ? we do pot updates separately, directly on trunk, to avoid conflicts when landing several MRs that can potentially update the template
[09:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN_: reverted
[09:46] <oSoMoN_> thx
[10:10] <leblast> Hello, what are you working on :)
[10:10] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/find-in-page/+merge/258225
[10:12] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: my point about the string is that the slash is just a visual thing, i could be an icon. but I will i18n it anyway
[10:12] <ogra_> popey, whom do i poke to get ubottu into #snappy ?
[10:12] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it might be relevant for RTL languages, that's the only thing I can think of
[10:13] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, or other more exotic languages you don’t know of
[10:13] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, that’s my point, one can’t possibly know all languages out there, so we have to assume this might be translated to look different in another language
[10:14] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: fair enough. i'm on it. though i am ready to bet 20 bucks that it will not get translated
[10:14] <nerochiaro> ;)
[10:15] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, how would you verify that?
[10:15] <popey> ogra_: someone in #ubuntu-irc - possible AlanBell
[10:15] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: don't we have all the translations in LP ?
[10:16] <ogra_> popey, thanks !
[10:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, well, we do have a number of translations, but they represent only a subset of the languages of the world, and at any time someone can add a new language
[10:16] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, heck, I’m sure we can even translate into klingon or elvish, and who knows how elves represent the result of a find in page action?
[10:17] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: well, set a cut off date then. if in, say, one year, no one has bothered to translate it, then I win, otherwise you win
[10:17] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: beers at the next sprint
[10:18] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, man, you really like to argue for the sake of arguing (and of winning arguments). But beers at the next sprint is fine :)
[10:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it is just a bet dude. i am fixing the code
[10:19] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, your chances of winning are very slim, I could be spending a large amount of time finding a language that proves you wrong and adding its translation to LP :)
[10:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: well then you have "free" beer :)
[10:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and we have one more translation in LP and you learned some new language. win-win
[10:42] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ping
[10:43] <mzanetti> hey mivoligo
[10:45] <mivoligo> mzanetti: about MvsM, when testing new levels, I'm changing level.json files in /data/lpbuild. Can I copy them to levelpack folder just like they are or the formatting is important?
[10:46] <mzanetti> mivoligo, the formatting isn't important, however, the build script replaces sizes and coordinates depending on the generated base size
[10:47] <mivoligo> mzanetti: so it will be important for towers.json
[10:47] <mzanetti> yeah... I think all of them have some sizes in it... not exactly sure right now
[10:48] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok
[10:48] <mivoligo> mzanetti: 3 levels to go BTW :)
[10:49] <mzanetti> mivoligo, awesome :D
[10:49] <mivoligo> mzanetti: yesterday I've spent about 4 hour on one level :D
[10:50] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I hope it'll take as much time for players ;)
[10:50] <mzanetti> yeah... I was sooo glad when I was done with it...
[10:51] <mivoligo> seriously looking forward to that, my brain is melting :D
[11:24] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i18n fixed
[11:29] <Masternoob> hey guys, i just want initiate a talk about the calendar app
[11:29] <Masternoob> currently it is in terrible shape and has nearly no dev activity...imho a celndar app is core functionality and i know 3 people that can't use the phone because of this...
[11:31] <Masternoob> currently there are  30 New bugs and 87 Open bugs in the app...many of them should be really high priority since they make the app unusable....
[11:31] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: and i am testing your delay fullscreen hint MR but I see no visual difference when I test it on the device on this test page: http://pearce.org.nz/fullscreen (and press the "toggle fullscreen" button")
[11:32] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, without my patch, are you not seeing the hint move upwards just after being shown, when the indicators bar is being hidden?
[11:32] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yes, but i see a similar flickering with your patch too
[11:33] <popey> Masternoob: many of the bugs in the calendar app are actually in the sync service underneath. Which specific ones are you talking about?
[11:33] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: oh, wait a second, it does not actually move. the flickering is below in the page
[11:33] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: sorry, it did confuse my eyes
[11:33] <davmor2> Masternoob: 88 is a really lower number of bugs for such a complex piece of software, take a look at unity 8 or settings app for something equally complex but those are used daily with no complaints.
[11:34] <davmor2> Masternoob: also without specific bugs it's really hard to have a conversation
[11:34] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yeah, I’ve had to observe it from up close quite a few times to convince myself that it fixed the issue, there are many things happening on screen which divert the eye
[11:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: but it does not move, so i would say happroved
[11:35] <oSoMoN> hawesome :)
[11:42] <Masternoob> A example for a bug that makes the app unusable for me (and a few people i know) is 1309042, Bugs that make the app also unsusable or very annoying to use are 1438946 , 1437305 , 1311165   ....
[11:43] <Masternoob> in my personal opinion these are also the bugs that block the app from being in the default image (there are maybe more, i didn't go through the whole list)
[11:49]  * ahoneybun 's  app is at 830 downloads
[11:49] <popey> Masternoob: let me take a look
[11:50] <ahoneybun> morning (from here) popey
[11:50] <popey> yo
[11:51] <mcphail> Masternoob: can you print those bugs one at a time so the bot can do the links? ie bug 1309042
[11:51] <ahoneybun> how does my app look on a BQ device?
[11:51] <Masternoob> bug 1438946
[11:51] <Masternoob> bug 1437305
[11:51] <Masternoob> bug 1311165
[11:52] <popey> not really necessary :)
[11:52] <mcphail> popey: makes it much easier to access the links from elinks, trust me :)
[11:52] <popey> meh
[11:53] <Masternoob> i support the lazyness :D
[11:54] <popey> so for bug 1309042 read comment #2 and #6.
[11:54] <popey> we can't fix that until we switch to a different calendar sync engine, which we are doing
[11:55] <popey> for bug 1438946 - I asked for more detail and you only provided that 45 minutes ago.
[11:56] <popey> Masternoob: but I'll take a look at them all.
[11:57] <Masternoob> That is very nice of you, as for bug 1309042 ... shouldn't be the status "in progress " since it is worked on? Or is the change of the sync engine a completely unrelated process?
[12:01] <mcphail> My biggest problem with the calendar is when notifications are made even when reminders are switched off. My wife is getting rather annoyed by midnight chimes for all day events. I can't see a bug for that on the list. Is it fixed upstream?
[12:02] <Masternoob> mcphail i think this is bug 1440111
[12:02] <popey> thats by design.
[12:03] <mcphail> Masternoob: that's not what happens to me. When I have events with "no reminder" set, I still get notifications
[12:04] <Masternoob> oh...i see
[12:05] <Masternoob> popey this is by design? really? Why should the user get notifications even when he created events with no notifications?
[12:05] <popey> no, thats not what I said
[12:05] <popey> it's by design that calendar / clock events are in the date/time indicator
[12:06] <mcphail> my problem may have happened due to a bit of botched syncing with my google calendar. A lot of the events got duplicated (although they still didn;t have reminders set)
[12:06]  * mcphail is going to experiment further before filing a bug
[12:06] <Masternoob> popey oh sry ..understood you wrong there
[12:07] <popey> The big issue with calendar is limited development resources.
[12:07] <popey> We have one guy working on it, and one guy working on the backend.
[12:07] <popey> Would love to get more people involved.
[12:07] <mcphail> the calendar is a whole let better than any I used on Android
[12:07] <mcphail> *lot
[12:08] <Masternoob> hmm maybe i should look into ubuntu app developement when i find the time
[12:08]  * ahoneybun thinks you should
[12:08] <popey> that would be awesome :)
[12:08] <popey> especially some of the smaller ones like the coloured dots one
[12:08] <ahoneybun> everyone here is amazing help
[12:09] <mivoligo> ahoneybun: what app you're need me to check the look on bq phone? :)
[12:09] <ahoneybun> mivoligo: uBegginer and Gazeteer please :-)
[12:09] <mivoligo> ahoneybun: ok
[12:10]  * ahoneybun will be back
[12:10] <Masternoob> colored dots one?
[12:12] <popey> bug 1454657
[12:14] <mivoligo> ahoneybun: http://i.imgur.com/MQtxeXX.png
[12:14] <Masternoob> yeah....that seems like a good place to start
[12:16] <Masternoob> do i still need to use the custom ppa for the SDK or is it in the main repos with 15.04?
[12:18] <nik90> mivoligo: hey I tried your timer app. What API did you end up using?
[12:18] <popey> Yes, always use the ppa Masternoob
[12:18] <Masternoob> ok thx
[12:18] <nik90> mivoligo: I have had mixed results. Sometimes I see the timer in the indicator-datetime, and sometimes not. As a result the timer ends up ringing only sometimes when it is running in the background.
[12:19] <popey> nik90: does podbird devel work on vivid?
[12:19] <mivoligo> nik90: hi, I used Alarm
[12:20] <nik90> popey: it *only* works on vivid..it uses the new 15.04 APIs
[12:20] <popey> ahh
[12:20] <popey> perfick
[12:20]  * popey tests on mx4
[12:21] <mivoligo> nik90: you're testing the Timer on stable or vivid?
[12:21] <nik90> mivoligo: hmm strange that it sometimes doesn't appear in the indicator. I will take a look at the code when I find some time. But really nice to see zeegaree's code being reused in Timer.
[12:21] <nik90> mivoligo: I am testing it on N4 Vivid
[12:22] <mivoligo> nik90: might be something with that, I use stable only
[12:22] <nik90> ah..will give it a try on my BQ
[12:23]  * nik90 thinks that the digital gods are against him...hasn't still received OTA 3.5 :P
[12:23] <popey> nik90: seems broken here. i can't download episodes.
[12:23] <mivoligo> ahoneybun: http://i.imgur.com/KpgTOMs.png <- this one does not scroll, it's static and two bottom buttons are cut out :)
[12:24] <popey> gah! found the swipe action
[12:24] <nik90> popey: ah yes I migrated to the swipe actions...I am planning to add a gesture tutorial similar to what we have in unity8
[12:25] <popey> i still see nothin in "What's new"
[12:25] <popey> even after forcing download
[12:25] <ogra_> force harder ?
[12:25] <popey> hmm, it's older than 7 days, i guess that's why
[12:25] <nik90> popey: What's new only shows episodes that have not been listened and not older than 7 days by you regardless of whether you downloaded it or not.
[12:26] <popey> ok
[12:26] <nik90> mivoligo: you're right. I can only reproduce this bug on vivid.
[12:27] <mivoligo> nik90: :D so vivid is buggy
[12:27] <nik90> mivoligo: also there are some minor issues in the UI (buttons overlapping and so on) that I will report bugs about.
[12:27] <nik90> mivoligo: :D
[12:27] <mivoligo> nik90: yeah, UI was only good for bq
[12:28] <nik90> mivoligo: well atleast now I can time my pizza properly thanks to you :P..well one minor ui still lies in the BQ and other on n4
[12:28] <mivoligo> nik90: can you post a screenshot?
[12:28] <nik90> nvr mind..I cant reproduce the UI issue on BQ anymore...strange
[12:28] <mivoligo> :D
[12:29] <nik90> the reset and save buttons in the main screen didnt hide fully..I saw its edges when they slided out...but as I said cant reproduce it anymore
[12:30] <mivoligo> nik90: maybe animation didn't finished properly
[12:30] <nik90> mivoligo: yeah could be
[12:33] <dholbach> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433525/+merge/258866 - now with extra testing goodness!
[12:37] <kalikiana> hmmm is it normal to get prompted to format a memory card regardless of whether it's working? the same card is fine in other devices
[13:06] <justCarakas> Nice, I asked my telecom provider if there would be a possibility to get their app on ubuntu
[13:07] <justCarakas> and I got the response with the question if their developers could ask me some questions about devving for ubuntu :D
[13:09] <nik90> justCarakas: ooh nice :)
[13:22] <Guest70727> I'm working on a small qml app where it has some URLs that are used in XmlListModel's.  Currently those url's are hard coded into the XmlListModel's, but I'd like to externalize them somehow.  I was hoping the group her could offer some advice.  What's the recommended way of doing this?
[13:34] <sverzegnassi> nik90: ping
[13:40] <Guest70727> speaking of nik90, I see in his flashback app, he created a "Backend" js object, where he keeps such properties and has accessor functions to read them.  perhaps that's the way to go, although I'd still like to hear other ideas.
[13:50] <dholbach> balloons, ok... the bug is really fixed now, with lots more tests now: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433525/+merge/258866
[13:50] <dholbach> I'd appreciate if we could land this and release 0.2
[13:51] <dholbach> err, 0.3 :)
[13:52] <dholbach> or whatever is next
[13:58] <dholbach> yep, 0.3, I just re-milestoned a bunch of bugs
[14:07] <Masternoob> nik90: since you are here, i really think bug 1454267 should be an option ;-)
[15:23] <dholbach> balloons, davidcalle, mhall119: not sure if you have a bit of time today, but any reviews for https://code.launchpad.net/help-app/+activereviews would be much appreciated :)
[15:24] <balloons> dholbach, I'm reviewing
[15:25] <dholbach> balloons, <3
[15:39] <Masternoob> where do i find good tutorials to start contributing to the coreapps?
[15:52] <dholbach> balloons, more more more!
[15:53] <dholbach> Masternoob, did you check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps and the pages linked from there?
[15:53] <balloons> Masternoob, developer.ubuntu.com teaches you how to use the sdk and get started
[15:53] <dholbach> Masternoob, which app are you interested in?
[15:53] <balloons> then as dholbach said, the wiki can help tell you more about coreapps
[15:53] <dholbach> did somebody introduce you to the Alan of Core Apps already?
[15:54] <Masternoob> i would be interested in the calendar app but i need to gain some knowledge first :)
[15:54] <dholbach> maybe there are some small, bitesize bugs you could start on?
[15:54] <dholbach> and maybe just ask in here for help?
[15:54] <dholbach> there's quite a bunch of knowledgeable and friendly people who should be able to help
[15:55] <Masternoob> ok thank you, i will just try it and come here when i get stuck ;-)
[15:55] <dholbach> excellent
[15:55] <dholbach> if in doubt: just ask
[15:56] <dholbach> either here or in #ubuntu-touch
[15:56] <dholbach> it sometimes takes a a bit until somebody replies, but you basically have all the experts in here :)
[15:57] <Masternoob> thanks
[16:19] <dholbach> balloons, do you think you'll still have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1433525/+merge/258866 - in that case I'd release 0.3 later on
[16:19] <dholbach> ^ or anyone else?
[16:22] <balloons> dholbach, I've been looking at it on and off
[16:22] <dholbach> ok, cool :)
[16:22] <balloons> lol, can't seem to finish it
[16:23] <balloons> did you test on the device?
[16:23] <dholbach> yes
[16:23] <balloons> I think I'm otherwise happy with it
[16:24] <balloons> my phone is dead atm though
[16:24] <dholbach> <3
[16:24] <balloons> charging charging . . .
[16:24] <dholbach> I'll do a test-run before releasing and ask somebody else to confirm before letting it into the wild
[16:24] <balloons> it's interesting if it gets too low overnight it likes to not come on in the morning for some time unless I recharge it first
[16:24] <balloons> sounds good
[16:25] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/misc-debug/+merge/259011 was basically just adding more debugging information
[16:26] <balloons> ahh, so the only arg you pass for now is --inspector
[16:26] <balloons> is there a need for me to pass something else? could you directly hand things off?
[16:27] <dholbach> balloons, no, it'll just pass --inspector if you run "DEBUG=1 make launch"
[16:36] <balloons> dholbach, right. .But since you added the feature to pass things; is there a reason I might want to pass anything else?
[16:38] <dholbach> balloons, hum, I'm not quite sure I'm following
[16:38] <dholbach> "make launch" will just launch the phone app
[16:39] <dholbach> that's all it ever did
[16:39] <dholbach> you mean adding another argument to ubuntu-html5-app-launcher?
[16:39] <dholbach> I don't know if it comes with other options
[16:40] <dholbach> it doesn't have a man page and no -h/--help :-)
[16:43] <balloons> dholbach, ok.. that more or less answers the question
[16:43] <dholbach> :)
[17:41] <dholbach> balloons, popey, mhall119: does anyone of you have time to do a quick sanity check on https://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/tmp/help.ubuntucoredev_0.3_all.click? most notable change should be that links (like on the get in touch page) open in a separate browser
[17:46] <dholbach> (it works for me, just tested it)
[17:47] <dholbach> balloons, popey: if you can do a release, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11116751/ could be a small changelog for 0.3
[17:47] <dholbach> <3
[17:49] <balloons> dholbach, ohh excellent. sounds good
[17:49] <dholbach> thanks balloons!
[17:52]  * balloons can't seem to get the click now
[17:54] <dholbach> bizarre
[17:54] <dholbach> hang on
[17:54] <dholbach> balloons, try http instead of https
[17:54] <balloons> got it..
[17:55] <balloons> and pushed
[17:55] <dholbach> thanks a lot balloons!
[17:55] <balloons> yw
[17:55] <balloons> enjoy your evening and ancension day!
[17:56] <dholbach> will do!
[17:56] <dholbach> big hugs!
[18:09] <mcphail> I'm probably being thick, but how do I create a project in launchpad?
[18:10] <mcphail> aah - no worries: just saw you have to do it from the home page rather than user page. Whoops!
[18:27] <mcphail> Is anyone from the UCS team available?
[18:28] <beuno> mcphail, what's the USC team?
[18:28] <mcphail> ubuntu component store
[18:29] <beuno> ah
[18:29]  * beuno sits back down and stays quiet
[18:29] <mcphail> usually nik90 and aquaris
[18:48] <davmor2> popey: re the terminal app I saw the uos thing on it last night.  The button for OSK can you make it more transparent when there is a keyboard attached?   That way the end user on a desktop gets more screen estate  but still keeps the button if they want to use the osk?
[18:48] <davmor2> just a thought
[20:39] <ahoneybun> happy birthday ahayzen!!!!