[00:09] <rsully> sarnold I kind of would have expected some type of generic extra package that installed the right one indirectly based on current kernel
[00:10] <sarnold> rsully: yeah, same here. my machine has it installed because I have linux-signed-image-3.13.0-46-generic installed, but I don't know what installed -that- package..
[00:24] <rsully> sarnold are you running 14.04.2?
[00:25] <sarnold> rsully: no, original 14.04
[00:26] <Patrickdk> sarnold, why not centos?
[00:26] <rsully> it looks like both linux-generic and linux-generic-lts-trusty would install the extras package, but would also bump me from 3.13.0-46 to 3.13.0-52 - not sure if that matters
[00:26] <sarnold> Patrickdk: hehe
[00:27] <sarnold> rsully: it'd probably be for the best, I just haven't rebooted yet..
[00:29] <rsully> "Anyone wishing to opt into the hardware enablement stack for Trusty may do so by running following command which will install the linux-generic-lts-utopic "
[00:29] <rsully> should that say -lts-trusty?
[00:29] <sarnold> rsully: the HWE stack comes from utopic or vivid or wily or whatever comes after wily..
[00:30] <sarnold> rsully: note that the HWE stacks EOL _before_ the original 14.04 stack -- so if you opt into them today, it'll mean dealing with that again in another year or so..
[00:31] <sarnold> rsully: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[00:31] <rsully> I'm just trying to understand what it means if I were to install linux-generic* to get the extra package
[00:31] <Patrickdk> heh?
[00:31] <sarnold> rsully: the -52 is just a regular security/reliability update
[00:31] <Patrickdk> oh, utopic
[00:31] <Patrickdk> I was going say, I was already running it on my laptop
[00:31] <Patrickdk> wifi works better :)
[00:33] <rsully> sarnold so if I don't want to keep dealing with updating, should I really be installing 14.04.1 instead of 14.04.2?
[00:33] <Patrickdk> wait, utopic is old
[00:33] <Patrickdk> I'm running vivid enablement I believe
[00:34] <Patrickdk> you can install either for updates
[00:34] <sarnold> rsully: yeah, I think so; unless you've got a specific reason to install 14.04.2
[00:34] <Patrickdk> but 14.04.1 will default to trust kernel
[00:34] <Patrickdk> you can downgrade 14.04.2 to trusty if you want, just extra work
[00:34] <rsully> nah this box is so simple its easier to spin up a new VM and reprovision
[00:35] <rsully> sarnold no no reason to be on 14.04.2, I just figured it was 14.04 with some updates already applied or something - really had no idea the implications
[00:35] <Patrickdk> ya, this started with 12.04
[00:36] <Patrickdk> it's really more for desktops than server
[00:36] <sarnold> rsully: completely understood :) aside from kernel / X11 / handful of other small things it really is about the same..
[00:36] <rsully> whats the difference between 14.04.0 and 14.04.1?
[00:36] <Patrickdk> just updates
[00:36] <Patrickdk> fixes and stuff
[00:36] <rsully> they're both 3.13 and supported to the same time period, but then 14.04.2 drops off support way earlier
[00:36] <sarnold> rsully: that one is just updates; the .1 is when 12.04 LTS users were offered to upgrade automatically
[00:36] <rsully> ah ok
[00:37] <sarnold> it represented a point of "all the obvious things have been fixed by now" :)
[00:42] <rsully> well one reason I am on 14.04.2 is apparently joyent hasn't published 14.04.1 images for smartos
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[01:03] <rsully> I've been getting this today too
[01:03] <rsully> W: Failed to fetch http://joyent.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/universe/i18n/Translation-en  Hash Sum mismatch
[01:04] <sarnold> rsully: I think it'd be fastest to file a support ticket with joyent for that one -- the mirror admins in #ubuntu-mirror (or #ubuntu-mirrors?) _might_ be able to kick off a re-sync but joyent folks might be more responsive
[01:06] <Patrickdk> too bad the only joyant people I know are the wrong ones to ask
[01:07] <sarnold> same here :)
[01:08] <rsully> I dropped it into #smartos for time being
[01:11] <rsully> ok so I did another fresh install of 14.04.2 (and now apt-get updated/upgraded it)
[01:11] <rsully> out of the box without any changes this is the kernel situation http://pastie.org/pastes/10185640/text?key=na44gckmawnuajs2rdhna
[01:11] <rsully> (well changes not including apt upgrading)
[01:13] <sarnold> rsully: I wonder if that's mislabelled; the handy infographic suggests that 3.13 is the original 14.04.0 and 14.04.1 kernel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[01:13] <rsully> I'm just not sure which package I should be installing to get the 'extra' kernel package. linux-generic* packages look like they would all install it. I'm not sure if I should be installing a -lts-* version or not, or if there is another package altogether I should be looking for
[01:14] <Patrickdk> it is
[01:14] <Patrickdk> you don't need extra
[01:14] <Patrickdk> unless you using 3.16 or 3.18 kernel
[01:15] <sarnold> Patrickdk: he wants extra because the nls_utf8 kernel module is in the -extra package
[01:15] <rsully> Sorry, what specifically is mislabelled?
[01:15] <Patrickdk> oh ah
[01:15] <Patrickdk> apt-get install linux-image-extra-virtual
[01:15] <sarnold> rsully: I'm curious if the smartos "deploy ubuntu 14.04.2" is mislabelled; perhaps it should read "ubuntu 14.04.1"?
[01:16] <sarnold> rsully: .. but then my laptop shows 14.04.2 for lsb_release -a ...
[01:16] <Patrickdk> sarnold, no, then it would have had an older kernel
[01:16] <sarnold> .. even though I'm using the original 3.13 kernel too.
[01:16] <Patrickdk> likely what it is, is a netboot isntaller?
[01:16] <rsully> Yeah, my lsb_release shows 14.04.2
[01:16] <Patrickdk> or could be updates are run on install
[01:17] <rsully> Patrickdk the image I'm using is a joyent supplied ubuntu certified image for smartos
[01:17] <Patrickdk> yes, I'm not sure how they do their images
[01:17] <Patrickdk> could be clones of a base install
[01:17] <Patrickdk> but it could be any 14.04 image, and then updates added to make it 14.04.2
[01:17] <sarnold> that's common for cloudy things
[01:17] <Patrickdk> doesn't have to be a 14.04.2 install iso
[01:17] <rsully> I assume Cannonical has a say since they're certified images
[01:18] <rsully> Patrickdk so is linux-image-extra-virtual the correct package to use? What does it mean by 'transitional package'
[01:23] <Patrickdk> odd
[01:24] <Patrickdk> someone broke it?
[01:25] <Patrickdk> oh, it is cause of the virtual
[01:25] <Patrickdk> that is what is screwing it
[01:25] <Patrickdk> virtual is transitional also
[01:25] <Patrickdk> ubuntu switched to only generic
[01:25] <Patrickdk> so linux-generic would be the totally correct way now
[01:25] <Patrickdk> and remove linux-virtual
[01:25] <Patrickdk> but they get the same result these days
[01:26] <Patrickdk> apt-get install linux-generic
[01:27] <rsully> Then reboot and remove linux-virtual?
[01:28] <Patrickdk> you don't need to remove it, but you can :)
[01:28] <Patrickdk> and then apt-get autoremove to let it clean up the rest
[01:30] <rsully> Is a reboot necessary?
[01:30] <Patrickdk> no
[01:30] <Patrickdk> but you should, to update to the newest kernel
[01:31] <Patrickdk> what is it 48 or 49 currently
[01:31] <rsully> 52
[01:31] <Patrickdk> ah
[01:31] <rsully> Yep, just wanted to make sure I could script this all without a reboot in the middle
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[05:11] <Voyage> how to send email from linux to an external email like gmail etc?
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[06:27] <abhishek> hello I want to configure a centralized log management server. I have around 50 server(multiple linux versions) installed. I want to know a solution that our developer can access each server logs
[07:15] <abhishek> how can i manage jboss logs in rsyslog. is it posssible
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[07:42] <devster31> if I wanted to compress images with the small possible size what should I use?
[07:43] <devster31> in an archive, not the actual file
[07:51] <davegarath> devster31: tar support gzip and bzip2. tar jcf archive.tar.bz2 youimages*. but if the original images are in a compressed format you will not have sensible saving.
[07:52] <Siilwyn> devster31, although not the smallest size I would go for a simple .zip archive if you make it available for download for others.
[07:54] <devster31> I don't need it to be public, it's simple data migration, I just wanted the smallest size algorythm, and bzip2 is good enough
[07:55] <Siilwyn> Alright in that case go ahead and use bzip2. (=
[09:01] <devster31> hi, how would I go about importing a table from a file.sql into an existing database? i want to import eg table1 from backup.sql into table2 from the actual database
[09:03] <Siilwyn> devster31, #sql or #mysql could be a better place to ask.
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[14:26] <jcastro> roaksoax, maas tagged questions on askubuntu need love if you guys have some time.
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[14:32] <roaksoax> jcastro: /win 13
[14:32] <roaksoax> jcastro: err
[14:32] <roaksoax> jcastro: i'll see if anyone is not running around fixing last issues to get 1.8 out of the door
[14:33] <jcastro> yeah I just wanted to get it on your radar
[14:33] <jcastro> the amount of incoming questions has increased a great deal, which is nice
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[15:52] <squisher> rbasak, jamespage, has either of you tested the 1.0.8 code? I don't have any issues. I think it'd be good to upload that soon - what distribution do I put into the changelog?
[15:52] <rbasak> kickinz1: ^^
[15:52] <rbasak> I've not looked.
[15:53] <rbasak> Put unstable in the changelog I think.
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[15:53] <jamespage> squisher, context?
[15:53] <rbasak> jamespage: bcache-tools
[15:53] <squisher> jamespage, bcache-tools
[15:53] <jamespage> ah - sorry
[15:53] <squisher> no worries
[15:55] <rbasak> squisher: do we have a well-defined upstream repository/release tags now?
[15:56] <squisher> afaik yes, but then again there has been so little changes
[15:57] <rbasak> squisher: can we send 0001-Clean-should-remove-bcache-register.patch there?
[15:57] <squisher> rbasak, I already did, but no response so far
[15:57] <rbasak> squisher: oh OK, thanks. Do you know about dep3?
[15:57] <rbasak> We can track upstream status in the quilt patches.
[15:57] <squisher> no, but sounds interesting
[15:58] <rbasak> squisher: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[15:58] <rbasak> squisher: it's just a metadata format so we can see if a patch has been sent upstream etc.
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[16:01] <squisher> rbasak, ok, I'll add that
[16:02] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:35] <squisher> rbasak, pushed. Now I only have to update debian/watch to point to http://evilpiepirate.org/git/bcache-tools.git instead of github. I can't find a good guide for (gitorious|gitweb) though, any ideas?
[16:42] <rbasak> squisher: I'm not aware of one, sorry.
[16:43] <rbasak> squisher: https://wiki.debian.org/debian/watch doesn't seem to list those
[16:43] <rbasak> But that page does have some other resources listed that might help
[16:44] <squisher> yeah, I was just trying to avoid working my way through that regex mess
[16:45] <squisher> seems like a decent git support for uscan would be nice, but this bug hasn't been closed yet: , part of the bcache hybrid storage project (features, debian packaging)
[16:45] <squisher> oops: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=663357
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[18:05] <Fishscene> Greetings. I'm trying to set up vlc on my server, but I'll only be using the "cvlc" command as there is no GUI on the server. Should I just install "vlc"? or will that also install a GUI on my server?
[18:07] <jrwren> Fishscene: there is a package: vlc-nox which may be what you want.
[18:08] <Fishscene> jrwren. Awesome! That looks to be exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks!
[18:32] <robertj> so for netbooting, where should I get my syslinux.0 from? build it from src?
[18:57] <sarthor>   /j #java
[20:40] <pmatulis> robertj: syslinux package?
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[20:46] <_2_Whenureachme3> hey
[20:50] <ay_caramba> Hi everyone, trying to get a munin plugin going but the author says it requires "logsince" to parse logs but apt-get install logsince comes back with not found, any idea what this package might be known under?
[20:55] <pmatulis> ay_caramba: i don't think it is available in a package
[20:57] <ay_caramba> pmatulis: hmm ok, yeah I tried searching for it online but can't even find the source
[20:57] <pmatulis> ay_caramba: where do you see reference to logsince?
[20:57] <ay_caramba> pmatulis: https://github.com/himyouten/munin-nginx_response
[20:58] <pmatulis> ok
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