=== bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm === stryx`__ is now known as stryx` === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi [05:58] marnin' === stevenm_ is now known as stevenm [06:34] * diddledan blows raspberries [06:45] void Void(void) { Void(); [06:45] } [06:45] recursive call of the void. [06:45] oh boy, I feel nullified [06:45] morning boys and girls. [06:45] allo [06:45] \o [06:46] ello earthlings [06:55] Morning all [06:57] :) [06:59] morning all [07:41] morning from a different place [07:44] well if we were all in the exact same place it would violate some law of physics... [07:45] and good manners :-) [07:45] true === AlanBell_ is now known as AlanBell [08:20] Morning all [08:23] davmor2: howdy [08:30] czajkowski: how do [08:32] davmor2: all good [08:32] co working day! [08:34] morning davmor2 czajkowski [08:36] czajkowski: how are the cow orkers [08:36] Good morning all; happy Alison Hargreaves Day! 😃 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|vt [08:37] all good thanks just one today as popey is ill [08:38] czajkowski: booo [08:39] popey: get well soon the channel is too quiet without you [08:40] At least we've still got davmor2 around to keep things lively. 😉 [08:41] JamesTait: lol [08:43] czajkowski, say hi to the chucks for me. ☺ [08:43] JamesTait: and why prey tell does a wench who can walk get an entire day to herself hmm hmm....okay walking up Everest alone without an oxygen tank is a huge feat but it basically boils down the Derbyshire bias doesn't it [08:44] davmor2, I almost went with Top Gun Day, but I'm not sure I could cope with a whole day of the references. [08:44] davmor2, and the Derbyshire thing. 😉 [08:46] JamesTait: so when are you getting some hens [08:47] :) [08:47] fresh eggs daily [08:47] czajkowski, when we don't have any more cats. 😉 [08:47] JamesTait: the one I feel sorry for is Old Brian Blessed who got 2/3's the way up and was well on track when one of his companions fell ill and they had to carry him back down :( [08:47] JamesTait: the dog gets on wit them fine [08:47] aww, no popey?! [08:47] :-( [08:47] JamesTait: also don't let yur hens roam free [08:47] sorted [08:47] czajkowski, or at least, when we're down to just the one cat. So a few more years yet. [08:49] czajkowski, it's not the problem of them getting on that concerns me, it's who's going to look after them, buy them food, etc. [08:49] ah yes [08:49] czajkowski, if I'd wanted to live in a zoo, Twycross is only a few miles away. 😝 [08:50] heh [08:50] And there are loads of farms around here. [08:50] For now.... [08:52] JamesTait: of course there are loads of farms around you are one step shy of being a yokel :P [08:53] Aar. [08:53] Ess [10:06] $morning [10:07] popey: \o/ [10:07] standardized greeting, fellow human [10:08] the irc calls have made you betterererer [10:20] AlanBell: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Godalmingcommunityboard/permalink/825882560813663/ [10:23] i like to annoy surrey types by pronouncing goldalming "wrongly" [10:23] wrong according to surreyers [10:23] god-owl-ming [10:24] i think they say godul-ming [10:24] and burpham i say burp-em [10:24] lol [10:24] which might me correct [10:25] i had a colleague who said, is "gilford" the same place as "guildford", i'm confused [10:29] foobarry: pronounce brewood or smethwick [10:29] bree word [10:29] wood [10:29] smethick? [10:29] chiswick = chizzik [10:30] flippin romans... :-) [10:36] people don't say the d in guildford round here [10:36] also, there's a pretentions town near farnham called Webourne [10:36] they pronounce it "webbun" [10:37] weybourne [10:37] or is that different [10:37] we have the same for southwell people pronounce it suthul or for blidworth bliduth [10:38] i don't know whether i call it gil or gild ford, i'll have to catch myself next time. i think i use the D [10:38] placenames hang onto original pronounciations long after the language has drifted [10:38] http://boingboing.net/2015/05/12/leetspeak-circa-1901.html [10:39] foobarry: wrong Brewood == brood and smethwick == smerick [10:40] sorry, yes, weybourne [10:40] i sometimes say the d in guildford, but really softly [10:44] my dad lived in weybourne i think. or between farnham and weybourne [10:44] never noticed the webbun thing but he wasn't oringinally from around those parts [10:46] I have that a lot here .. I had to google to find out how to pronounce dun loughaire [10:47] heh [10:47] it's where i am now :-) [10:47] at least in english, if you try to pronounce it as it's written you just sound like an outsider. in irish, if you try to pronounce what you see, you will choke [10:47] yesterday i found out what a sheela na-gig is. turns out it's a medieaval goatse [10:48] found on churches [10:48] can never hear that pj harvey song again without a certain image [10:48] zmoylan-pi: I'll be ther week friday :) [10:49] although not for a productive amount of time, I sail uncomfortably early [10:50] best to get out of dun laoire fast, tis a horrible town :-) [11:28] directhex: shame that aral is the posterchild for that encryption discussion [11:28] i wish we'd stop gluing children to posters [11:28] it always ends badly [11:30] Try Scotland. "Milngavie". [11:30] To pick but one [11:31] ohoh I know that one, it's a trainstation on the way to glasgow [11:32] okay, apparently it's not. I wonder why I recognise it then. hm. [11:32] mugabe? [11:32] foobarry: No far off with that [11:34] I thought "Dún Laoghaire" would be "Done Low-air" seems it's actually "Don Lair-ruh". Being a Northerner, what would I know? :-) [11:35] I came up with "leery". but wasn't expecting it, because lough is like loch, so laoghaire is like ..wat? [11:36] "Milngavie" is "Mull-guy" [11:37] "Menzies" is "Ming-us" and spelled with a "z" rather than the "ying" due to the advent of moveable type. [11:38] Opps, the letter in question is "yogh". ȝ [11:43] tee hee. i greatly offended a genius supercoder on twitter for saying people who write their own crypto algorithms are idiots [11:45] and that's something to be proud of? [11:45] :p [11:46] laughing at idiots is like 37% of my day [11:46] directhex: Unless their job happens to be writing crypto algorithms..... [11:47] TwistedLucidity: even then! [11:47] a decent cryptographer will need far more reason to roll something new instead of using a known trusted algorithm [11:47] "Welcome to the company Lee. Your our new crypto algo. author. DON'T DO ANYTHING!" [11:48] directhex: True I guess. But algos eventually fall, someone needs to move the maths forward. [11:49] Probably an army of maths profs..... [11:49] TwistedLucidity: if you're not publishing research papers before shipping apps, you're not pushing the maths forward [11:49] you're just praying security through obscurity works [11:49] Indeed. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:45] shauno: laughaire is a scottish lake-based airline? [12:54] any one fancy a cheeky nandos? lol ha ha ha ah ha #worldnews [12:58] MooDoo: What is a cheeky nandos I did the he's a ledge and the Archbishop of Banterbury [12:58] davmor2: hee hee === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:25] kek [13:32] nandos are always a good idea [13:34] agreed [13:34] i remember going to nandos in swansea when I worked there, and loved it. [13:34] Went recently with wifey and kids and wasn't impressed [13:38] popey, i read that as when you were working *in* nandos lol [13:38] * ahayzen imagines ordering food from popey [13:39] "Aubergine please" [13:39] sauces are over there [13:39] glad i'm not the only one that read it as that lol [13:39] *points* [13:39] * popey wanders off in a huff [13:39] lol [13:40] Never worked in a restaurant of any kind. [13:40] One day I'll burn all these computers and go and run a restaurant or somethin [13:41] thats 'the dream' ;-) [13:44] not so much a restaurant, we want a pub with proper pub grub [13:45] steak n chips ftw [13:45] * diddledan drools [13:45] although the pub here does an awesome cheese buger where the cheese is brie [13:46] +r [13:46] * diddledan drools again [13:47] The Gourmet Burger Kitchen in basingstoke were excellent, too. last I went. [13:50] ahayzen! Happy birthday! [13:50] :-o [13:50] popey, thanks mate :-) [13:50] ahayzen: (I uploaded Music app to the store earlier as a present) :D [13:50] popey, really?! lol [13:51] ya [13:51] :) [13:51] * ahayzen spots 2.1.x in the store [13:51] :) [13:51] \o/ thanks now we wait for a load of bugs to come in [13:51] bugs ftw [13:53] * ahayzen senses its time for beer in a pub garden somewhere bbl o/ [13:53] screw everyone else, works for me :) http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-05-13-145311.png [13:53] o/ ahayzen [13:53] ahayzen: you know what this app needs... [13:53] EQ :) [13:53] definitely :-) [13:58] eagles \o/ [14:01] ahayzen: man you must be old enough to go to school on your own now, hey popey these kids today they grow up so fast ;) On a serious note happy birthday dude :) [14:05] davmor2: he might as well call you dad ;) [14:06] MooDoo: and you are older so you are granddad right :P [14:06] davmor2: rats am I older, darn it lol [14:07] MooDoo: you're welcome :) [14:07] hehe [14:25] Does anyone know if there was a microsoft update rolled out today? [14:26] Azelphur: I had a reboot alert this morning, so probably [14:27] It appear just after all the VMs came on-line...no way I am rebooting until the end of the day [14:27] Azelphur: yesterday was patch-tuesday [14:27] yea [14:28] ISP are claiming my 4mbit download speed (on a 70mbit fibre line with a 70mbit sync) is down to Microsofts updates [14:28] I'll let them have this one, the last 5 times its been overselling [14:28] 4 is below the fault level according to BT [14:28] what are the fault levels again? [14:28] or where are they documented [14:28] I believe it's about 16? [14:29] I have tried to find them but never had any luck [14:30] https://support.aa.net.uk/Slow_Speed_Faults [14:30] that's not bt canonical documentation tho [14:30] but aaisp are pretty reliable [14:30] also, I'm curious, can someone else do a speedtest and see if their connection is crap, because logically speaking if it's Microsoft update, everyone should be screwed right now [14:30] yea they are [14:31] although they don't seem to mention the 70mbit downstream stuff anywhere, it's all 40 or 100 (FTTH) [14:32] still yea below the fault threshold [14:35] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4357075319 much functional, such speed, etc. [14:35] ouch [14:36] Testing download speed........................................ [14:36] Download: 104.06 Mbit/s [14:36] no probs here [14:36] popey: your virgin right? [14:36] ya [14:36] can't imagine windows update during the day is the cause of issue here [14:36] home users aren't online at 3:30 [14:37] yea, they always come up with BS excuses as to why its slow, I get 67mbit on TAP3 [14:37] Azelphur: 52mb down, 2mb up. [14:37] TwistedLucidity: on what ISP? [14:37] Virgin [14:37] I see :) [14:38] i can imagine that being a reasonable excuse on patch tuesday in the evening, but even then it smells of BS [14:38] Although on Ubuntu release day we've been known to peg some ISPs :) [14:39] Azelphur: your upstream is fine. just turn the cable upside down and use the upstream for download instead :-p [14:39] indeed lol [14:40] your ping is pretty reasonable too [14:40] strange that download is THAT bad [14:40] It's a very common issue sadly, most of the time they are overselling [14:41] "popey in Ubuntu bloat admission schocker!" :-P [14:41] their procedure is absolutely retarded, they essentially wait until the node is overloaded and customers start complaining, then you have to wait for the next review meeting which is up to 1 month, then they upgrade the links. [14:41] yotaphone2 looks decent now [14:42] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4357092618 [14:42] that's on a shared network with a dozen and a half other people in the office [14:44] diddledan: heheh [14:44] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4357097800 [14:44] grr [14:44] that's way unfair [14:45] foobarry: where you at? [14:45] inside the matrix [14:45] >.< [14:46] TwistedLucidity: and then the other spin on that "popey admits Ubuntu is popular ISP's complain" [14:55] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4357124501 [14:56] not quite as fun as foobarry's result though [14:58] I won't post mine as it'll make me feel worse than ever :D [15:07] not too bad http://www.speedtest.net/result/4357150999.png [15:09] that is from my desktop too [15:09] if it was from server room then maybe 10gb [15:09] foobarry: do it on a server [15:09] one which has a 10Gig-e [15:09] how? perl script? [15:10] :-p [15:10] there's actually a speedtest package somewhere (is it in the repo?) [15:10] speedtest-cli [15:10] foobarry: speedtest-cli [15:11] foobarry: speedtest-cli --share so you get a link [15:11] :-p [15:12] diddledan: hey saves him having to remember the numbers walk out and post them from there :) [15:13] aww, it's not in 14.04 repo [15:14] I'm seriously debating going back to Virgin after seeing all your tests :D [15:14] doo eet [15:14] foobarry: http://lintut.com/test-internet-speed-from-linux-command-line/ [15:14] just finding a 10gb machine [15:15] diplo: mines normally higher but I was doing some stuff on the server at the same time [15:15] oh boy, he actually has one [15:15] get same speeds, i wonder if the speedtest are maxed out at 1gb [15:15] :-p [15:15] servers [15:15] lol [15:15] prolly [15:17] https://www.speedtest.net/result/4357175198.png [15:17] that's supposed to be a webserver, too which means I'm crippled for serving requests [15:19] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32714802 [15:19] I have no idea what this cheeky thing is, but they've snuck it into their wikipedia's page quite tidily. [15:20] diddledan: that was in the manifesto [15:20] yeah [15:20] still sucky [15:20] depends [15:20] i saw that jihadi brides progs [15:21] lots of active twitter accounts that are radicalising and enitcing them to syria [15:21] quote: '"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'," [mr cameron] will say.' [15:22] which can be read as "we're gonna root through your undies whether you're bad or good!" [15:35] it's interesting that the torries think that, the snoopers charter and repealing the human rights act, should be priorities [15:35] especially after fighting the election effectively solely on enconomic arguments [15:36] intrbiz_cr: yeah but they are politicians they never do what they say they will [15:36] hehe [15:37] if you expect the unexpected you never know what to exxpect [15:37] intrbiz_cr: they lie for a living what do you expect, they make the legal system look white as the driven snow === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:37] time to head out [16:37] tata === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:24] https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=pmPU93NZNAjby5G aww yis, WiFi on the beach :) [17:27] where are thee? [17:27] daftykins: Margate :) [17:28] that's my home router, got an RT-AC87R in the Window, line of sight to the beach so it covers most of it. [17:28] \o/ [17:29] hrmm wonder how far you can get [17:30] daftykins: https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/index.php/s/bRISdcMHHiawDit should get fairly decent range [17:30] (todo: buy table to put it on) [17:31] :) [17:31] ah short strip [17:32] indeed [17:32] do you get much wind battering the side there in the peak of winter? [17:32] yes [17:32] I actually had a window smash its clasp off a couple days ago [17:33] :S [17:36] daftykins: mostly it's fine though, just has its bad moments. [17:37] just don't go carrying large sail-like objects :> [17:37] yea pretty much [17:37] plus there's a tunnel on the way to my house that seems to funnel the wind [17:37] it's absolutely hilarious watching long-haired people try and get through it. [17:37] i'm one row of shops/restaurants/buildings from the seafront - 2 years back when we had that crazy Russian weather front bringing snow, it was insane just stepping out beyond that row :D [17:38] hahaha [17:38] yeah i have long hair, it's bad :( [17:38] hehe === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [20:11] ello [20:15] word [20:18] hammer time [20:27] the bird [20:27] the bird is the word [20:30] where's the beef? [20:30] https://youtu.be/2WNrx2jq184 [20:37] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thelightphone/the-light-phone [20:37] how is that different from the million chinese tiny phones you an get off ebay? [20:42] saw one in dublin city centre about size of my thumb. they sell to folk going into prison as they aren't detected by usual metal detectors [20:43] yeah [20:43] there was a bru-ha-ha here about the ones that look like car keys [20:44] beat the boss phones. the americans sell a metal detecting chair called boss [20:44] hm. odd choices there. you'd think "designed to be used as little as possible" would be the phone that lives somewhere 'in case of emergency'. where battery>ooh it's thing [20:44] er, thin, rather [20:45] eg, a glovebox phone that can take AAs. that's my idea of 'used as little as possible' [20:45] you can buy an emergency phone that will sit in a glove compartment for years with a single aa battery to run it when you want it [20:46] but it's off all that time [20:46] I have a few phones here that could service as backup phones :) [20:46] * popey looks at his firefox os phone [20:46] which only rings when PPI people call me [20:46] \o/ ppi claim lines! [20:47] my nokia e61 was uncharged for a year when i needed it for 3 days in hospital. worked grand :-) [20:47] I get at least one per day [20:47] on my landline, tho [20:47] I really though the firefox phone was going to be an april fools' joke :( [20:47] hah, just took it out of airplane mode [20:48] now I'm getting sms spam on it [20:48] lol [20:48] oops [20:48] http://imgur.com/fEvUxVK [20:49] 15 years standby... http://www.macworld.com/article/1167107/emergency_mobile_phone_runs_on_single_aa_battery_stows_for_15_years.html [20:50] i wonder if the 2g network will still be around then... [20:50] would the temp not affect that? [20:51] it's a lithium battery. the kind they use in torches in life vests and rafts. [20:51] http://www.spareone.com/ [20:51] basically a watch battery [20:52] haha, if you navigate away you get a discount code :) [20:52] the number of people i see with smart phones AND a back up dumb nokia... [20:53] o/ [20:53] but also more and more non technical people. [20:53] hello ali1234 not seen you for a while [20:53] allo ali1234 [20:54] ..... i was here the whole time [20:54] just saying i have a backup nokia :) [20:55] my android now has a 4 hour battery life [20:56] which nokia? [20:57] I was dangerously close to buying a 3210 off ebay recently [20:57] a C7 [20:59] i got a nokia e51 for €50. symbian, wifi, 5mp, office apps, web, ereader... [20:59] but symbian apps are getting harder to find. haven't looked much yet though [21:00] i don't use symbian because it has apps :) [21:00] and i still use my s40 nokia more. [21:00] oooh http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N82-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-/221750404409 [21:00] i loved my n82, last nokia I had before android [21:00] i like qwerty keyboards. proper [21:08] hello X3N [21:13] yello [21:19] i got ssh working on symbian and intend to use it as a terminal for a rasp pi in my bag for maximum geekiness :-) [21:19] green [22:48] Anyone feel like giving me a hand with SMB? Here's my config http://paste.ubuntu.com/11120492/ got nothing showing up in thunars network area [23:12] Azelphur: just so you don't think you're alone, I've had a look but I'm pretty much n00b when it comes to samba. I can't see anything wrong with your server setup. [23:13] diddledan: yea, I'm not having much luck, http://pastebin.com/8f6wAhJ3 has additional information [23:14] are any of your systems firewalling? [23:14] smb is a weird broadcast beast so it could be firewall on any of the systems both client and server [23:14] afaik none of them are, I did have UFW on the server for a time but I disabled it to my knowledge. [23:15] might be worth double checking [23:15] suggestions on how I'd go about that? [23:15] sudo ufw status [23:15] if it says "active" then it's firewalling [23:15] inactive on client and server [23:16] score one for the network demons [23:16] the good guys never catch a break :-( [23:16] hehe [23:18] what does `sudo netstat -ltpn | grep LISTEN |grep -v grep` show? [23:18] bah I suck at memory [23:19] diddledan: on the server? [23:19] the second grep isn't required - that's a `ps aux` grep command to filter out the filtering processes [23:19] yes plepase [23:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/11120959/ [23:21] ok, I'm not seeing nmbd in that list [23:21] rofl, so this is fun [23:21] nmbd is the name resolver for windows-style network addresses [23:21] share shows up fine on my laptop. [23:22] hmm [23:22] that's wonky! :0p [23:22] :-p [23:22] how dare it confuse matters like that!?! [23:23] http://pastebin.com/bdSL4p38 ... >.> [23:25] I don't suppose there's any helpful messages near the end of /var/log/samba/log.nmbd? [23:25] likewise for /var/log/samba/log.smbd [23:26] well, I reckon rebooting my PC will solve it, amusingly the PC is the one machine on the network that doesn't really need the SMB Share [23:26] so this works fine \o/ [23:26] \o/ [23:26] "good enough" is the goal of most tinkerers :-p [23:27] sorta "meh, it's not right, but I can live with it" [23:27] indeed [23:55] and yea, reboot fixed it on my PC too xD