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elacheche_anisMorning kenju254 :)05:59
elacheche_anisMorning Kilos  :)05:59
Kilosmorning elacheche_anis06:00
elacheche_anis:)06:00
philipballewKilos, hey there man06:22
Kiloshi philipballew  you well?06:22
philipballewKilos, maybe. I am in summer school currently06:23
philipballewits 15-18 hour days06:23
philipballewso a pain in the ass06:23
Kiloswhew06:23
philipballewbut I am healthy06:23
Kilosgood just do your best06:23
Kilosand good luck with everything you do06:23
philipballewKilos, thanks man.06:25
philipballewHow goes the Ubuntu Africa hunt?06:25
Kilosive been a bit busy but there are 2 new ones that pop in now and again but not from official locos06:26
philipballewKilos, oh, I see. They need to become official06:26
philipballewThis weekend I am going to go to Mexico to hand out copies of the Official Ubuntu book.06:27
Kilosyeah seems like the old locos have broken down06:27
Kilosnice , i have an old one06:27
philipballewby go to mexico, I mean, take the subway 20 km's south.06:27
Kiloslots of info in them06:27
Kiloslol06:27
philipballewKilos, I think you organizing something like Ubuntucom Latin AMerica is not a bad idea06:30
Kilosno but ill need to get the clever guys like elacheche_anis  to do that06:31
Kilosalso im not in a rush because some of the loco guys are very busy with projects so dont have time atm06:32
elacheche_anisHey! Something like what?06:36
* elacheche_anis GTG.. elacheche will be awake in 1h (time to reach the office x) )06:40
Kilosk06:43
elachecheo/07:56
Kiloshehe07:57
elacheche:D07:58
Kilosyou start late hey?07:58
elachecheActually I'm early x) I used to be @work by 9am07:58
elachechex)07:58
Kilosgood life for the idle rich07:59
elachechel00l.. :) I'm not poor.. But not a millionaire too :D08:00
Kilosdont spend so much and you will get ther08:01
Kilose08:01
elacheche:D I don't :) I'm not that kind of boys who spend money on everything useless :)08:02
Kilosgood08:02
Kilosyour fiance has forsaken us08:03
elacheche<Kilos> no but ill need to get the clever guys like elacheche_anis  to do that08:03
elachecheWhat's that!08:03
Kilosorganizing something like Ubuntucom Latin AMerica08:03
elachecheWhat's Ubuntucom Latin AMerica ? → Can't find links referring to it08:04
Kiloslemme see what i can find08:04
elachecheCool :D Before 10am I can't really find anything by myself.. I need to have my coffee then I can find things :D08:05
Kilosphilipballew  explain that for us please08:05
KilosQA  coffee on08:06
* QA puts the kettle on08:06
elacheche~_~ *_*08:06
Kiloselacheche  type QA  coffee please08:06
elachechephilipballew, morning there!08:06
elachecheQA coffee please08:06
QAelacheche: Yessir08:06
Kilostakes 4 minutes to brew08:07
QACoffee's ready for Kilos and elacheche!08:10
KilosQA  ty08:10
QAOnly a pleasure Kilos08:10
elachecheQA, thx08:10
QAelacheche: Huh?08:10
KilosQA  thx08:11
QADont be lazy Kilos Type something understandable08:11
philipballewKilos, alright08:12
philipballewhttp://ubuconla.org/08:13
Kiloscool ty08:13
Kiloselacheche  ^^08:13
elachecheI see! Thanks philipballew :)08:17
elachecheThat's cool if we can prepare something like that! But first we need to feed our LoCos first :)08:18
Kiloswe need to get enough guys here for our first meeting08:18
elachecheYep! Who misses?!08:19
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams08:19
Kilossill 8 to find i think08:20
Kilosstill08:20
Kilosbenno has some contact with one of the countries but i forget which one08:20
Kilosill ask him to wake them up08:21
elachecheok08:23
Kilossome of the new guys that popped in here arent part of locos even , so that will be another mission to get them to form new locos08:39
elachecheKilos, It's not that easy to convince popey x)09:38
Kilosnope im starting to get cross now09:38
elachechemeans?09:38
Kiloshe is making me angry09:39
elachechehahahaha :D Take it easy :)09:39
Kiloshttps://launchpad.net/~popey09:39
Kiloshe thinks because he is at canonical its his decision to make on his own09:40
elachechex)09:40
elachecheSDCDev == Private_User  ??09:49
Kilosno09:49
Kilossdcdev is on the cape north east coast and private user is in northern natal09:51
elachechenice to meet you guys :)09:51
SDCDevhey :)09:51
inetprogood mornings09:52
Kiloshi inetpro09:52
inetproKilos: unless we start getting people in Africa to help make significant and sustained contributions to Ubuntu or the Ubuntu community we can not expect others to change their schedules when it works for them the way it is at the moment09:52
Kiloshe says now one can apply via email, but i cant find where it says that09:53
Kilosits a community thing not just a canonical thing09:54
inetproKilos: I wrote, "...contributions to Ubuntu or the Ubuntu community..."09:55
Kiloselacheche  ask your fiance to bring up this matter in the council09:56
Kilosyes but so far 2 have kicked up a fuss09:56
* inetpro just saying, don't kick up a fuss unless you are sure that you have the backup from your community09:58
Kilos5 have supported and 2 against09:58
inetproKilos: question, how many new members will you sign up by changing the schedule?09:59
Kiloswithin a month 1 or 2 but as africa gets more active i think lots10:00
inetprothe problem IMHO is not the schedule, the problem lies somewhere else10:00
inetprofor now at least10:00
Kilosapplying for membership is a major task10:01
elachecheKilos, my fiancee is in the LoCo council not the CC :p10:01
Kilosinetpro  where then?10:01
Kilosso who do we know in the cc10:02
Kilosdholbach and nhaines10:02
Kilos?10:02
inetproKilos: unfortunately I have no time to discuss it now, but that is the discussion that we need to have10:02
Kilosok10:02
inetprooh and Kilos, feel free to discuss with other people10:04
Kiloslol thats what im doing but seems peeps are scared of canonical employees10:06
inetproI don't think so... but that is another debate10:07
elachecheinetpro, you wanna hear something funny?10:07
inetproelacheche: ?10:08
elachechelast week I was about starting a debate on the ML why dolibach added sabdfl after he expires :p After that someone else told us that if someone expires we can add him without an interview after he request it :)10:12
* elacheche knows exactly who's sabdfl :D10:12
Kiloslol10:13
Kiloselacheche  your loco also dropped in the last few years right?10:14
Kilosalong with all other locos in africa10:14
Kilosexcept ZA of course10:15
elachecheYeah.. That's true Kilos I'm almost fighting alone to keep the LoCo Up.. I'm very afraid from the next LoCo Council approval meeting in August :'(10:15
Kilosright so i will start a new thread about the state of locos, i think it is a world wide problem10:16
Kilosor easier for me to chat on locoteams10:17
Kilosotherwise i must mail popeye directly and convince him off list10:18
Kiloselacheche12:53
elachechek12:53
elachecheKilos,12:53
Kilosim sure i saw there wer around 60 members on the membership board12:54
Kilosnow i cant find it12:54
Kiloswe arent just 812:54
elachechejust a sec12:55
Kilosty take your time12:55
inetproKilos: ping12:56
Kilosinetpro  pong12:56
inetprowhat you will have to spell out very clearly is the fact that you are not just talking about the membership board12:56
elachecheKilos, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-membership-board/+members#active12:57
inetprobut also about the actual applicants and their supporters who may want to take part in the process of applying for membership12:57
inetprolet's be honest, for many new members it may be a highlight in their life and often a major challenge to overcome, for most of them not something they can do during normal working hours,12:57
inetproand although it might not lead to a sudden flood of new applicants applying for membership if you do decide to change or add another meeting to the schedules12:58
Kilosi agree full heatedly12:58
inetproit would be so much more accommodating and the right thing to do for those members from as far as Hong Kong at UTC+8 to Dakar at UTC12:58
inetprowho like ordinary people are typically sleeping with the current late schedule at 22:00 UTC12:58
inetprodo we really want to exclude these members from taking part in the Ubuntu community?12:59
Kilosnope i am concerned about the whole ubuntu community world wide12:59
Kilosthats why i helped korea rebuild their loce12:59
inetprolook at the map at http://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/#!cities=74,10213:01
Kiloselacheche  did a time thing13:02
Kilosshowing -8   0  +8 times13:02
inetprofrom Hong Kong to Dakar is quite a few people13:02
Kilosi agree an effort must be made worldwide to revive everything, but one first sweeps your own porch before sweeping the street you live in13:04
Kilosluckily za is growing so next street is africa then the world13:05
* inetpro said what he wanted to say13:05
Kiloslol13:06
Kilosthats a nice map, ty inetpro13:12
Kilosinetpro  if i use your words are you going to charge me with plagiarism?13:30
inetproKilos: you are welcome to use them, that's why I posted here13:31
Kilosi know ty13:31
Kiloshehe13:32
inetprocopy, paste, edit as much as you want13:32
Kilosyeah i need your rationality, i get like a bull in a china shop when i get frustrated or thwarted13:33
Kilosinetpro  elacheche  http://slexy.org/raw/s21IzhhXZs13:54
Kilosadd or change as you see fit please13:54
Kiloselacheche  you can even add bells and whistles if you think that will have more impact13:55
Kilosinetpro  elacheche  not that one this one http://slexy.org/view/s20UolJAst15:23
inetprogood evening19:01
inetprooh and hi Kilos19:02
Kiloshi inetpro19:02
inetproKilos: you still waiting for me?19:02
Kiloshttp://slexy.org/view/s20UolJAst19:02
Kilosalways19:02
inetproai!19:02
inetprowhy?19:02
Kiloslol19:02
Kiloswhy not19:02
inetproyou know what you want to say, just send it man19:03
Kilosi can get a bit heavier19:03
Kilosread it19:03
Kilosdont always argue19:03
inetproI have no issue with it19:03
inetprowhat they make of it is another story19:03
Kilosnothing to add or remove?19:03
inetprowell you left out my hong kong story but I can live with that19:04
inetproin the end it's your words that count more than mine19:04
Kilosi didnt follow that19:04
inetproai!19:05
Kiloshard to find all them places and match times19:05
elacheche_aniso/19:05
Kiloselacheche_anis  wb19:05
inetproKilos: what time is it in Hong Kong at 22:00 UTC?19:05
Kilosi dunno19:05
Kilosmy head not happy tonight19:05
Kilosinetpro  does the 20.00 suit hong kong better as well19:06
inetproQA: when is 22:00 UTC in Hong Kong19:07
QAinetpro: 2015-05-14 22:00:00 UTC is 2015-05-15 06:00:00 HKT19:07
inetproKilos: it is 6:00 in the morning19:08
Kilosso its good for them before work19:08
inetproyou think many people will be up and ready for a meeting at 6:00 in the morning?19:08
Kilosoh you mean its bad for them19:09
inetpronormal people wake up at that time to get ready for work19:09
inetproexactly19:09
Kilosya but the other two times must stay as well19:09
inetproKilos: don't you get it?19:09
Kilosotherwise ill never here the end of it19:10
Kilosno19:10
inetprowhat's the other meeting time ?19:10
Kilos12.00 and 22.0019:10
inetproQA: when is 12:00 UTC in Hong Kong19:10
QAinetpro: 2015-05-14 12:00:00 UTC is 2015-05-14 20:00:00 HKT19:10
inetprohmm...19:11
Kilosthats good for them/19:11
inetprook, so Hong Kong will be fine at that time19:11
Kilosyes19:12
inetproQA: when is 12:00 UTC in Bangalore19:12
QAinetpro: That didn't go down very well. Burp.19:12
Kiloslol19:13
inetproQA: when is 12:00 UTC in Karnataka19:13
QAinetpro: I'm not feeling too well19:13
inetproai!19:13
inetproQA: when is 12:00 UTC in India19:13
QAinetpro: 2015-05-14 12:00:00 UTC is 2015-05-14 17:30:00 IST19:13
Kilossee the 20.00 is good for them too19:13
Kilosoh19:14
inetproQA: when is 20:00 UTC in India19:14
QAinetpro: 2015-05-14 20:00:00 UTC is 2015-05-15 01:30:00 IST19:14
inetproQA: when is 22:00 UTC in India19:14
QAinetpro: 2015-05-14 22:00:00 UTC is 2015-05-15 03:30:00 IST19:14
Kilosno sorry i looked wrong19:14
inetpronope, that's not a good time at all19:15
inetproyou see, that is why I said originally you should have a time before 12:00 UTC as well19:15
inetproQA: when is 8:00 UTC in India19:15
QAinetpro: 2015-05-14 08:00:00 UTC is 2015-05-14 13:30:00 IST19:15
Kiloseish im struggling just to get one added19:15
inetproI know19:15
inetproit's a tough problem to solve19:16
Kilosyeah19:17
inetproideally you should have enough members of the board in each timezone19:17
Kilosespecially when some are totally unbendable19:17
inetproor at least members in timezones closer to the relevant region19:18
Kilosi have no idea how india managed before19:18
inetprowould be interesting if someone could figure out what the most productive time is for member contributions per timezone19:19
Kilosyou see i think they dont want timezones to do peeps in their zone. maybe scared of favouritism19:22
inetproKilos: sure thing, but then you could keep everything running full steam around the clock19:24
Kilosyes i agree19:25
Kilosthere are only 17 board members atm and 5 from the council i think that can jump in19:26
Kilosbut some i have seen hide or hair of yet19:26
Kiloshavent19:26
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