[00:56] <thomaslnx> why scripts placed on /etc/init.d don't run on start up from ubuntu gnome 14.04 lts?
[01:29] <berglh> Grokling: that's disappointing
[01:33] <Grokling> berglh, I spent way too many hours on it already. I was well and truely ready to try something else!
[01:34] <Grokling> disappointing, but at the same time awesome - because it means that it IS actually possible to come up with a solution that works out of the box.
[01:37] <berglh> so xrandr never saw the second gpu?
[01:40] <Grokling> Not with the nvidia drivers. And to be fair, it doesn't in kubuntu either. Nouveau + xrandr seems to work quite happily out of the box in kubuntu - it finds the second GPU fine, and configures it without a hitch..
[01:57] <berglh> i see
[01:57] <berglh> nvidia: y you no?
[02:01] <Grokling> nvidia. Just is.  With the nvidia driver, only one interface shows in xrandr -listinterfaces  BUT, in nvidia-settings, they're both there, and can be turned on, and xinerama'd. Except that gnome doesn't do xinerama, so that breaks it.
[02:04] <berglh> oh well, at least you're going
[02:04] <berglh> not using gnome-shell would irk me though
[02:07] <Grokling> Knowing what I know now, I could try it again with the nouveau driver and see if xrandr will work for me with gnome - it should I'd guess.
[02:08] <berglh> or just see if you install the nvidia drivers if it breaks kubuntu xrandr
[02:09] <berglh> sounds like that's the problem
[02:09] <berglh> xrandr not getting nvidia ident correctly
[02:09] <berglh> maybe it works with an older nvidia driver?
[02:11] <Grokling> I've never had the nvidia driver working with xrandr properly before now, and I've never had gnome working properly(or at all) with nvidia's xinerama. There are two potential nvidia drivers, and neither help.
[02:17] <Grokling> berglh, " if you install the nvidia drivers if it breaks kubuntu xrandr"   It does.
[02:20] <berglh> hmm
[10:01] <Grokling> darkxst, You about today?
[10:02] <darkxst> Grokling, whats up?
[10:03] <Grokling> I gave up this morning and dropped kubuntu in my machine. Out of the box it worked. All four screens. Unfortunately, with no mouse pointer which is odd, but kinda vital.
[10:03] <Grokling> So, taking what I learned there, I'm trying ubuntu-gnome again tonight.
[10:04] <Grokling> with nomodeset, I get one screen running. Without nomodeset, I get three powered up, but blank.
[10:04] <darkxst> nomodeset only applies to the FOSS drivers
[10:05] <Grokling> I know from yesterday that if I put the NVIDIA driver in, it'll work on two screens only. I know from today that NVIDIA xinerama and gnome don't play, but that xrandr might.
[10:06] <Grokling> Which means I need to stick with the FOSS driver, and accordingly, somehow get something better than blank screens to render!
[10:06] <darkxst> or just buy a card that works!
[10:07] <darkxst> the GT2xx series were pretty rubbish in all regards
[10:08] <mgedmin> the "out of the box it worked" bit is interesting; have you written down the configuration it used?
[10:08] <Grokling> The thing is.. out of the box, kubuntu works..  And mint+Mate work.
[10:08] <mgedmin> i.e. what driver, what driver version, was there an xorg.conf, what did xrandr say about the config?
[10:09] <Grokling> mgedmin, I did, dumped it out to the interweb, but it'll be gone now. I can boot back into it and repeat if you like?
[10:09] <Grokling> The mouse thing is annoying - it works, it's just invisible! Soooo close.
[10:10] <mgedmin> in Ye Olden Days xorg.conf used to have an option to disable hardware mouse cursor acceleration
[10:11] <mgedmin> (it was driver-specific, of course)
[10:11] <mgedmin> (video driver, not mouse driver)
[10:26] <Grokling> Okay.. here's the kubuntu stuff(s)
[10:27] <Grokling> xrandr -q : http://paste.ubuntu.com/111128447
[10:27] <Grokling> xrandr --listproviders : http://paste.ubuntu.com/111128449
[10:28] <Grokling> Xorg.0.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/111128454
[10:28] <Grokling> There is no xorg.conf in etc/X11
[10:28] <Grokling> Did I miss anything mgedmin ?
[10:29] <mgedmin> "The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist."
[10:29] <mgedmin> all three
[10:29] <mgedmin> protip: gist.github.com pastes never go away
[10:30] <Grokling> Yeah - sorry. Remove one of the '1's and they work.
[10:30] <mgedmin> heh
[10:30] <Grokling> using pastebinit in ubuntu.. that was a protip from yesterday ;-)
[10:31] <mgedmin> I didn't realize you were typing in the URLs by hand :)
[10:31] <mgedmin> I don't actually know if paste.ubuntu.com pastes expire
[10:31] <mgedmin> "Sink Output, Source Offload", I know some of those words!
[10:31] <mgedmin> name:nouveau, nice, the free driver supports your config!
[10:32] <mgedmin> what was the version of kubuntu?
[10:32] <Grokling> Have you tried using a system with four screens in no particular order, no mouse? It's easier to type stuff into the laptop next to it!
[10:32] <mgedmin> 15.04?
[10:32] <Grokling> kubuntu 15.04
[10:33] <mgedmin> an xorg.conf.d with Option "HWCursor" "off" might be worth a try (+ a bug report about "help my mouse cursor is invisible", if you're feeling like giving the developers a chance to maybe fix it if they maybe stumble upon it)
[10:33] <mgedmin> the question is, if this works on kubuntu 15.04 out of the box, what's different about ubuntu-gnome 15.04?
[10:33] <Grokling> That's why it takes me so long - first I have to get the mouse to a hot corner where I can see that it's actually there, and then move it slowly across the expanse of screens until I find it over the terminal window! Guessing game really!
[10:34] <Grokling> mgedmin, Exactly. It does prove that it's possible..
[10:34] <mgedmin> I'm in awe at your patience; I would've just alt-tab'bed until the terminal was in focus
[10:34] <mgedmin> I wonder if stock ubuntu gnome 15.04 uses wayland for gdm
[10:34] <Grokling> I did. But it was like 50pxx50px.. so I had to find it so I could make it bigger!
[10:34] <mgedmin> or if that's something extra from the gnome 3.16 ppa
[10:35] <mgedmin> window resizing with the keyboard is possible
[10:35] <mgedmin> alt-space, down down ... enter, arrow keys, enter
[10:35] <mgedmin> or maximization
[10:35] <mgedmin> the specific shortcuts change OF COURSE THIS IS LINUX WHY WOULDN'T THINGS JUST CHANGE ARBITRARILY ALL THE TIME
[10:36] <mgedmin> in the past alt-f10 was traditional for maximization
[10:36] <Grokling> Yeah, that's so obvious if you didn't know about it already!..
[10:36] <mgedmin> nowadays it's often <super>+up
[10:36] <mgedmin> alt-space for the window menu is a shortcut all oldtimers know (I believe it's used by every windowing system since windows 3.11)
[10:37] <Grokling> <super> opens the menu in gnome. Doesn't in kubuntu. There's no accounting for these things!
[10:37] <mgedmin> so OF COURSE nobody documents it for new users to discover because "everyone already knows this amirite?"
[10:37] <mgedmin> augh I'm not in a good mood today, sorry :(
[10:37] <Grokling> I'm cranky too. Too many hours fighting with DEs that won't play nice with my system. It's not like I have work I need to use it for by last week or anything..
[10:38] <Grokling> Nobody reads documentation anyway, so there's really no point, besides, it'll change again by the time the documentation is done..
[10:39] <Grokling> mgedmin, Is there any chance you could slap together the file for me to drop into xorg.conf.d?
[10:40] <mgedmin> for kubuntu? or have you reached parity with ubuntu-gnome config?
[10:41] <Grokling> for kubuntu for now -it's the most promising of the two, and if I can just get that mouse cursor to show up...
[10:42] <Grokling> Oh, alt+space is tied to something else in kubuntu.. some kind of run dialog box thing I think.
[10:43] <mgedmin> if you run "sudo Xorg :1 -configure", you should get a ~/xorg.conf.new
[10:43] <mgedmin> waaaah
[10:43] <mgedmin> I didn't expect kde to do this
[10:43] <mgedmin> ignore most of it
[10:43] <mgedmin> (of the xorg.conf.new)
[10:44] <mgedmin> take Section "Device" (or both of them?) and copy it into a new file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/software-mouse-cursor.conf
[10:45] <mgedmin> then edit it and uncomment Option  "HWCursor" and set the value to "False"
[10:45] <mgedmin> then 'sudo service kdm restart' (this will log you out)
[10:46] <mgedmin> if something goes wrong, log in into /dev/tty1 and sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/software-mouse-cursor.conf; sudo service kdm restart
[10:46] <mgedmin> my advice is sourced from google (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Using_.conf_files) and the noveau manual page: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/utopic/en/man4/nouveau.4.html
[10:47] <mgedmin> waaah http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/en/man4/nouveau.4.html is 403 forbidden WHY GOD WHY
[10:52] <Grokling> here goes nothing.. logging out now..
[10:52] <Grokling> Argh. 'false' is not a valid keyword in this section.
[10:53] <mgedmin> did you quote it?
[10:53] <mgedmin> Option "HWCursor" "False"
[10:53] <Grokling> Nope, nor capitalise..
[10:53] <mgedmin> I don't know if capitalization matters, but just in case
[10:56] <Grokling> It nearly started. Full reboot time I think.
[11:01] <Grokling> Nope. Now it loops - when I login, it goes to start the desktop, then drops back to the login again.
[11:13] <mgedmin> anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[11:13] <mgedmin> (Xorg.0.log will have the bits from the working login screen; the .old will have the bits from the crashed desktop session)
[11:26] <Grokling> Only something about 'reporting 4 6 42 325' which means nothing to me. and then a 'resize called 7200 1080' at the very end
[11:29] <mgedmin> what about ~/.xsession-errors?
[11:29] <mgedmin> I'm not sure kubuntu still uses it; ubuntu-gnome moved to ~/.cache/gdm/session.log, while unity moved to ~/.cache/upstart/*.log
[11:30] <mgedmin> waaait, this is 15.04 therefore systemd therefore journald
[11:30] <mgedmin> journalctl should have all the session errors
[11:30] <mgedmin> (DID I MENTION ABOUT THINGS CHANGING ALL THE TIME ON LINUX?)
[11:36] <Grokling> journalctl huh.. where do I find that?
[11:45] <mgedmin> /bin/journalctl
[12:03] <Grokling> mgedmin, Nothing there that leaps out at me. I can't even find reference to xorg that wasn't me sudo'ing.
[12:03] <mgedmin> so, to summarize
[12:04] <mgedmin> kubuntu without xorg.conf snippets: works but has no mouse cursor
[12:04] <mgedmin> kubuntu with an xorg.conf snippet that disables HWCursor: kdm works, desktop session crashes
[12:04] <mgedmin> is that right?
[12:04] <Grokling> Exactly right.
[12:04] <mgedmin> :(
[12:08] <Grokling> That emoji doesn't come close to how I feel. I don't want to count the hours I've spent..
[12:09] <Grokling> Bedtime. Before the two ends of the candle meet in the middle.
[12:33] <Grokling> mgedmin, I didn't make it to bed yet.. BUT, I did discover a way to make it work. By changing the compositing renderer to 'xrender' I get my mouse cursor back. Seems like a bug somewhere to me. Hopefully someone in kubuntu land can take a look and fix it. Thanks for working through all the stuff with me over the last couple of days - sorry we couldn't get ubuntu-gnome over the line.
[12:37] <mgedmin> O.o
[16:36] <octoquad> darkxst, will evolution 3.16 land in staging ppa at some point?
[18:44] <SonikkuAmerica> It'll eventually get there; be patient.
[21:01] <darkxst> octoquad, at some point, e-d-s is a lot of work to update
[22:51] <howudodat_> hey everyone, I had some problems upgrading to gnome 3.16.  I have disabled plymouth by removing splash from grub config.  I see the dmesg(es) and then the last line of dmesg is shown and then I get a pointer in the middle of the screen and then nothing else.  this is on 15.04 using gnome3 staging ppa.  I tried adding nouveau.config=NvMSI=0 to grub boot entry as per bug 1412602 but that didn't help either.  This is running on a Del
[22:51] <howudodat_> ll 9530 qHD (not the 4k version), ubuntu 15.04
[22:51] <ubot5> bug 1412602 in linux (Ubuntu Vivid) "No live DE in Vivid using nouveau w/GeForce 7025/nForce 630a" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412602