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mappsbey all04:49
daftykinsmornin04:49
mappssup04:49
mappslol at this pm04:50
mapps<Aretina13> its looking like that your windows is not patched...,please download a fix from -> http://192.168.0.9/SystemFix.exe04:50
daftykinson freenode?04:53
daftykinsreport it to #freenode04:53
OerHeksdaftykins, lookt at the IP :-D04:53
daftykinsoh yeah, hah04:54
mapps;D04:54
daftykinsmaybe it's a beginner hacker ;)04:54
daftykinsugh my eyes get so funky at this time04:54
mappsdaftykins almost fell for it04:54
mappsteehee04:54
daftykinswell it wouldn't work so it wouldn't matter if i went click happy04:55
daftykinsthat's not even my home subnet04:55
daftykins:>04:55
mapps;D04:56
mappscsi cyber time05:02
mappsdiddledan still watching it? about to start e1205:02
mappsi honestly think it got a lot better after e1 and the 4.9/10 on imdb is unjust05:03
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diplomapps: Nope it still sucks! You're just getting used to it :)07:05
daftykinshaha expectations gone down07:07
MooDoomorning all07:09
daftykinso/07:09
Hazedgood morning everybody.  i have a issue with 15.04 (though it happens since 14.04).  when i boot my keyboard layout changes back to from uk to us.  ubuntu keeps doing this from time to time.  im curious to see if anybody else knows about this problem?07:58
directhexhavenb't seen it, it persists for me07:59
Hazedwould the model of the laptop i'm using cause the issue (i have a lenovo x220)08:01
Hazed?08:01
directhexdoubt it08:02
Hazedoh good. :) thank you for clearing that up.08:03
davmor2Morning all08:12
daftykinso/08:13
MooDoohello daftykins08:13
MooDoohello davmor208:13
daftykinstime to take apart an oven 0o08:14
daftykinsthis'll be fun08:14
davmor2MooDoo: how's life good sir08:14
MooDoodavmor2: good thanks mate :D nothing exciting to report, not had to touch my servers in ages as they are working pretty sweet, how boring eh lol08:15
davmor2MooDoo: servers are meant to be boring though, they are meant to just site there and work :)  You had a play with juju yet or snappt for that matter :)08:16
davmor2that would make life exciting again :)08:17
MooDoodavmor2: nah mate, once i got ubuntu/kvm/glusterfs working no need to try anything else at the moment, maybe if i win the lotter and can have my own datacenter :D08:17
davmor2MooDoo: you can play with them in vm's :P08:18
MooDoodavmor2: yeah i know, my host doesn't have that much ram, i may play in time, but why touch the servers if i don't need to...:D08:20
davmor2MooDoo: snappy will run in kvm on your laptop as will juju what's your excuse now :P08:20
MooDoodavmor2: damn you08:21
MooDoodavmor2: thinking of getting this so i can code with my son/daughter :D - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teach-Your-Kids-Code-Parent-Friendly-x/dp/1593276141/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1431591635&sr=8-3&keywords=teach+python08:21
davmor2MooDoo: nice :)08:22
davmor2MooDoo: however if it doesn't start '10 print "Dad's a muppet"; 20 goto 10'  it's not teaching them to code the way we learnt :)08:24
Laneygoing to be a noisy day08:26
Laneygot window fitters here08:26
daftykinserk!08:26
MooDoodavmor2: he knows what one already lol08:26
* Laney is camped out in the dining room instead of $office08:26
Laneythey just walked straight upstairs and started working08:27
Laneyno chit-chat08:27
Laneythat's what I like to see08:27
MooDooLaney: give it 10 mins when they break for tea ;)08:27
davmor2Laney: no excuse for not using irc more than ever not to mention telegram :P08:27
daftykinsneed to stare at the job for a good hour, yet08:27
Laneythere is severe banging going on08:27
MooDoothen lots of hhmmmmm arrrs then break for tea again08:28
* Laney inserts noise blocking headphones08:28
Laneygoodbye world08:28
MooDoothey have brought the wrong windows ;)08:28
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:28
MooDoomorning brobostigon08:28
Laneythis is the part where the roof caves in right08:28
davmor2Laney: cruel is meant to go in the middle there I'm sure08:28
brobostigonmorning MooDoo08:28
davmor2morning brobostigon08:28
brobostigonmorning davmor208:29
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foobarryis the best game ever, one that i have never played?08:33
foobarrykeep seeing teasers for games that in my mind are brilliant, but the reality is a letdown08:33
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Golf Day! 😃08:34
foobarrytale of anubus (archimedes circa 1990), no mans sky (PC), after the rapture (PC)08:34
popeyyeah, no mans sky looks amazing08:35
popeyand is like games I've imagined since I was 10 years old08:35
JamesTaitpopey, wb!08:35
popeylo08:35
popeyalso, NMS is PS4 exclusive initially :(08:35
JamesTaitFeeling better, I presume?08:36
* bashrc doesn't care much about games08:36
directhexpopey: sony are funding it08:40
directhexpopey: be glad it's not cancelled. the devs lost everything in a flood08:40
TwistedLuciditydirecthex: So it's a rootkit in a fancy dress?08:40
directhexTwistedLucidity: they're gonna get root access to everyone's ps4!08:40
czajkowskialoha08:41
directhexhttp://www.hellogames.org/2014/01/the-flood/08:41
popeyi knew of the flood, didn't realise Sony were fully bankrolling the thing afterwards08:42
daftykinspopey: hmm that looks neat08:42
daftykins(NMS)08:42
daftykinsnow i too shall growl at Sony :D08:43
TwistedLuciditydirecthex: It's being released for Windows (not all PCs) so.....08:43
directhexTwistedLucidity: sony's indie funding generally doesn't exclude PC ports. see also grim fandango remastered08:43
directhexthey're paying to block xbone ports08:43
TwistedLuciditydirecthex: Crikey, GF-remasted is actually for PCs and not just Windows!08:44
foobarry"no mans sky will be best game ever"08:44
foobarrypretty much all websites repeating same hype08:45
popeythe port will come no doubt, just later..?08:45
foobarry :(08:45
popeywell, to be fair from the in game footage it does look a bit neat08:45
TwistedLucidityGraphics don't make the game, playability does08:45
* davmor2 drives a certain VW over JamesTait foot you happy about that golf :D08:46
MooDoo I've just watched a youtube for no mans sky, looks amazing08:46
davmor2I don't like first person perspective games and even I'm tempted but I don't want to have to buy a ps408:47
foobarrywhich one MooDoo08:47
JamesTaitdavmor2, now we know why you no longer drive for a living. 😝08:47
MooDoofoobarry: just the one on the home page - http://www.hellogames.org/08:48
foobarryi watched a terrible playstation livecast that made me cry08:48
* davmor2 parks the golf on JamesTait other foot and catches the train home08:48
foobarryis it about flying exploring or first person exploring08:49
foobarryi.e. elite or morrowind08:50
davmor2foobarry: both by the video I just saw08:50
davmor2foobarry: http://www.no-mans-sky.com/about/ watch the first video08:50
foobarrydinosaurs everywhere08:51
MooDooshame it's only ps4 to start with, another game i'd just purchase08:51
foobarrymaybe in 10yrs i'll ask about the game again and buy a pre-owned ps4 if its worthwhile08:52
foobarryi believed that shenmue was the best game ever08:52
foobarryi decided that in 5yrs if it was still awesome i'd buy dreamcast08:52
czajkowskidavmor2: popey any idea why I'd be experiening this crazyness  http://pix.ie/czajkowski/3761313/size/1024  latest update of FF 38 on 15.04 is massive text08:54
foobarrysounds a lot of  elite gameplay in it08:55
foobarrythe low flying dogfights look amazing08:55
davmor2czajkowski: looks the same for me in FF and chromium so just you08:58
czajkowskibah08:59
czajkowskichrome chromium are both fine08:59
czajkowskiI seem to have an OAP setting on FF :)08:59
czajkowskiUnfortunately I do use FF for work mail08:59
popeyczajkowski: dunno, maybe ask in #ubuntu-desktop09:05
popeyTwistedLucidity: I wasnt talking about graphics09:05
popeyalso, duh09:06
foobarrywhich is the best application for producing gorgeous user doc and tutorial documents ?09:07
popeylatex09:07
foobarry(ultimately PDFs or web based)09:07
foobarrywill need screenshots09:07
popeyubuntu manual is generated using latex09:07
foobarrylatex great for books and papers, not sure about tutorials with screen shots?09:07
popeyhas many screenshots09:07
* foobarry checks09:07
foobarrythe old one?09:08
popeyhttp://ubuntu-manual.org/ that one09:08
popeyold?09:08
foobarrythis looks nice https://elementary.io/docs/human-interface-guidelines#popovers09:09
diplofoobarry: I've started using Sphinx, uses rst format09:09
foobarryi think they used markdown and github09:09
diploCan use markdown too09:09
directhexi used princexml to generate good PDFs from xhtml input09:09
diplohttp://sphinx-doc.org/09:10
diplohttp://bootstrap-datepicker.readthedocs.org/en/latest/09:11
diploreadthedocs uses it, I use their theme09:11
foobarrylots of ideas, cheers guys09:11
foobarryis the ubuntu manual latex source available?09:14
awilkinsThere's an Ubuntu manual?09:16
popeyyes09:16
popeyhttp://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved09:17
foobarrythx popey09:17
LaneyI feel like a worrying amount of plaster has come off the walls where these guys are working...09:18
popeyis it landing in your tea, more importantly!09:19
Laneythere's a ceiling and floor in between us09:19
Laneywasn't really counting on plastering and redecorating the rooms though09:20
foobarrywork or home?09:20
Laneyhome09:21
foobarryare they your men?09:21
foobarryor a neighbour09:21
Laneysome local company09:21
foobarryworking on your property?09:22
Laneyyes09:22
foobarryah09:23
Laneyshould I have expected there to be damage?09:23
Laneythe other rooms are tiled ...09:24
foobarryi didn't account for having a buy a new patio and lawn after my extension09:24
foobarryadded a lot to budget09:24
foobarryand also my kitchen diner got messed up but we painted over the ripped off plaster09:25
davmor2Laney: anything they damage they should in theory put right09:25
Laneykind of thought they would just make it fit in the same hole09:25
foobarrydecided on using atom editor and markdown10:03
davmor2Laney: I am beginning to worry about your choice of glazier now :)  But I'm sure it will be fine when they finish honest10:13
Laneyhope so!10:14
* Laney is inexperienced in matters house10:14
zmoylan-piji just know enough to avoid the straw and sticks variants... :-)10:16
ujjainI have a question about stock.10:26
ujjainare there cheap brokers of ETF's outside of an ISA?10:26
ujjainmost of them charge 0,3%, which is twice the cost of an ETF tracker10:26
davmor2zmoylan-pi: why the straw and stick homes are stunning nowadays :P  http://pajaconstruction.com/portfolio/joanne-calkins-straw-bale-home/10:26
MartijnVdSujjain: this isn't really a place for financial help10:26
zmoylan-piyeah they've built a few in ireland. lets see how they're doing in 20 years in irelands climate10:27
zmoylan-piand i'd want to see how they deal with radon gas in them too10:28
davmor2zmoylan-pi: better than you think if they are maintained properly.  There are some in the uk that are still standing happily after 200 year10:28
TwistedLucidityHow to ruin your own morning. 1) Release a product version 2) About 2 days later, deploy said version internally 3) Run around in a flap because it doesn't work10:29
zmoylan-piif it worked reliably, then ireland would already be doing it... we're cheap :-)10:29
TwistedLucidityThen, about and hour later, realise that you deployed the wrong version so *of course* it doesn't work!10:29
* TwistedLucidity hangs head in shame10:29
davmor2zmoylan-pi: people in the UK and Ireland are too into brick.10:30
* zmoylan-pi hands TwistedLucidity brown paper bag so he can sit in corner in shame... :-)10:30
davmor2zmoylan-pi: in france and spain where the regs are less strict they are popin up all over the place same goes for earth shelters too.10:31
zmoylan-piireland's rules are stict because stories of the 'night of the big wind' remain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Big_Wind10:34
LaneyHAHA wtf10:42
Laneyglass just rained down10:42
Laneylooks like it was one of the old ones ...10:43
TwistedLuciditydavmor2: I wonder how hard they are to insure....10:51
davmor2TwistedLucidity: They cost less, are naturally fire retardant and on the whole you don't need much in the way of heating so less likely to catch fire so on the whole cheaper10:52
davmor2TwistedLucidity: the issue is planning permission10:53
TwistedLucidityI'm more thinking of the standard "Is you home built from stone/brick/concrete? (Y/N)" limitation that most policies seem to impose.10:53
TwistedLucidityI quite like the look of some of the eco designs.10:54
davmor2TwistedLucidity: I think the big issue would be finding an insurer that understands the building materials once you have that it should be cheaper I assume there are wiki's that will have that kinda info too10:55
TwistedLucidityMore than likely. As for planning permission - dead easy. Just find some greenfields; the council won't object.10:56
TwistedLucidityMumble...grumble...10:56
foobarrydo you need planning application for a loft extension?11:00
diploIf it is to be lived in yes11:00
diploIE a bedroom11:00
foobarrymy neighbours down the road didn't get one11:00
TwistedLucidityYup. Our council had a really good website where you could look up the regs. Depends on size, if it's to be lived in etc.11:01
diploThey'll need retrospective later if they want to sell it :)11:01
foobarryi searched the council site11:01
foobarrynot there11:01
TwistedLucidityI'll see if I can find the link again....been ages11:01
foobarrythey aren't my direct neighbour so i aint getting involved11:02
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: I don't think this is what I used, but it looks good (although none of the interactive stuff works for me) http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/11:05
TwistedLucidityI guess my council may have just mirrored it, I remember reading the area/height regs for the shed I was building11:06
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foobarrymy daughter wouldn't sleep unless she had all of the following with her in the cot http://i.imgur.com/WQKF4ql.jpg11:53
foobarryasked for one at a time11:53
foobarryJUST GO TO SLEEP!! need kangarooo...11:53
foobarryok here's your kangaroo, please sleep. need cat...11:54
popeyhah11:54
popeysophie used to have a blanket made from a ripped up top wifey used when breastfeeding11:54
popey"raggy"11:54
foobarryoph yeah there's the 2 muzzies she has too11:55
popeyShe once had it tucked in the back of her trousers as a "tail" when she was pretenting to be a horse.11:55
popeyWent to the loo, forgetting it was there, turned round to flush11:55
popeybye bye raggy11:55
foobarryoh dear11:55
popeyshe was devastated11:55
popeywe couldn't stop laughing11:55
popeyluckily she'd ripped it up and there were loads of them left11:56
davmor2popey: see and this is why parents are evil :D11:56
foobarrywe thought muzzies were a good comfort as they are replaceable but daughter wants "yellow muzzie" which is the white one, not the yellow one.11:56
popeysam had taggies11:56
foobarryand son still likes bear muzzie and star muzzie11:56
popeythe things that have tags all round them11:56
popeythey're very popular11:56
popeywe also bought backups of their fave toys in case of loss, from ebay11:56
foobarryWeak hand grip linked to early death, cardiovascular risks: study12:01
popeyTIL: Sainsburys diet lemonade is disgusting.12:02
foobarryfeatures pictures of handhakes rather than the truth which is: The study involved people between the ages of 35 and 70, who were followed over four years. They were asked to squeeze an object as hard as possible with their hands in order to measure the force exerted by their grip.12:02
foobarrydiet everything is gross12:03
foobarryhttp://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sex-offenders-star-trek-flat-being-sold-by-his-ex-wife-because-she-wants-a-fresh-start-10248955.html12:06
foobarryi think if they wanna sell it they shouldn't tell everyone he's a paedo12:06
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mappsthis duolingo app is kinda cool12:12
mappshelping me with my spanish:D12:12
mappslearning Russian and Spanish atm -- spanish foremost12:12
foobarrywow, the simpsons is still going?12:20
foobarrydo they still show new eps on british telly?12:20
zmoylan-pii stopped watching after season 1012:22
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foobarryany good apps in the latest amazon app giveaway?13:24
foobarrysorcery 3 of course13:25
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)13:25
bashrctzag bigcalm13:26
popeybigcalm: morning onion-breath13:28
bigcalm:D13:29
bigcalmI'm enjoying it while I can13:29
bigcalmPicking Hayley up from the airport at 4am on Saturday13:30
diplo4am?!!? Tell her to get a taxi! :D13:33
zmoylan-pisome sort of app maybe on your phone... :-)13:34
bigcalmI am that taxi13:34
zmoylan-pican you do the rudeness and archaic opinions?13:34
popeyhttp://teslaclubsweden.se/test-drive-of-a-petrol-car/ is quite entertaining13:34
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davmor2bigcalm: don't listen to diplo14:20
diplo!!!!!!14:21
diplo:P14:21
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foobarryok i'm not sold of markdown15:10
foobarryon*15:10
foobarryseems too simplistic15:10
awilkinsThe upside of Markdown is there are so many libraries to parse it15:11
awilkinsThe downside of Markdown is that they don't all do it the same, or support the same features15:11
foobarryyeah so the same basic common fature set is small15:12
foobarryi guess its useful for various contributors to a github project15:12
awilkinsI like Textile, but virtually nothing other than Redmine supports it15:12
awilkinsWhat we really need is a single, well documented, standard (as in - there is a set of unit tests that must pass that document at LEAST it's rendering as HTML)15:13
awilkinsFor the UberWikiTextFormat15:13
foobarrythe alleged twiki<-> markdown conversion in pandoc doesn't exist15:13
foobarrymaybe i'm using markdown wrong15:13
foobarryor maybe its a way to get people to write basic stuff that gets presented in glorious css styled pages at the end15:14
foobarryor maybe its just hipsters re-inventing wiki markup15:14
intrbizIMHO Markdown is easier than wiki markup, or at least I can remember it more / use it more15:16
intrbizyou can always inline html in markdown if you need complex stuff too15:17
popeyanyone moving house http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-49902001.html15:19
popeythe only thing out of place there is the glitter ball15:20
awilkinsAnd the urge not to touch anything because it was previously inhabited by a paedophile.15:20
popeyit was?15:21
popeyah15:21
popeyhttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tony-alleyne-star-trek-fan-225666915:21
popeyHe once claimed: "Some people might think I'm a bit of a sad individual, but I'm not. I'm just really into Star Trek - it's my only vice."15:23
popey50% true15:23
foobarry:(15:25
foobarryis he in jail?15:25
popeyhe was15:25
popeysentenced to 3 years, 2.5 years ago15:25
popeyturns out it wasn't his flat15:26
davmor2hahaha15:27
foobarry:-|15:28
Laneywindow guys have left for the day and there's a glass shelf suspiciously missing from the bathroom15:29
Laneybet they broke it when they smashed the window15:29
foobarryshoulda hired linux ones15:29
LaneyREISUB15:30
diploawilkins: sphinx checks your syntax is correct before outputting it to html15:30
diploOr rather it checks the rst format is correct and warns you whats wrong15:30
foobarryoutput from markdown->pdf or html is ugly and massive15:31
foobarrylatex learning curve a bit steep15:31
awilkinsMarkdown --[pandoc]--> DOCX is horrible15:32
awilkinsMarkdown --[pandoc]--> ODT  --[LibreOffice]--> DOCX is also horrible15:32
awilkinsI suspect it's mostly because DOCX is horrible15:32
TwistedLucidityawilkins: DOCX is an open standard and is filled with sugar-frosted unicorns. It shows how much MS cares. :-S15:38
foobarryi wonder if i can write in markdown and conver tto latex and get nice docs15:49
foobarryor is that witchcraft15:49
popeyI'm sure it's _possible_15:51
Laneysure you can, pandoc can do that15:54
dauntless888Wondering if there is anyone familiar with SSMTP? Trying to use no auth for google’s restricted gmail smtp server aspmx.l.google.com16:24
dauntless888Can’t seem to find any clue when searching if this is documented16:25
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