[04:49] <mapps> bey all
[04:49] <daftykins> mornin
[04:49] <mapps> sup
[04:50] <mapps> lol at this pm
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[04:53] <daftykins> on freenode?
[04:53] <daftykins> report it to #freenode
[04:53] <OerHeks> daftykins, lookt at the IP :-D
[04:54] <daftykins> oh yeah, hah
[04:54] <mapps> ;D
[04:54] <daftykins> maybe it's a beginner hacker ;)
[04:54] <daftykins> ugh my eyes get so funky at this time
[04:54] <mapps> daftykins almost fell for it
[04:54] <mapps> teehee
[04:55] <daftykins> well it wouldn't work so it wouldn't matter if i went click happy
[04:55] <daftykins> that's not even my home subnet
[04:55] <daftykins> :>
[04:56] <mapps> ;D
[05:02] <mapps> csi cyber time
[05:02] <mapps> diddledan still watching it? about to start e12
[05:03] <mapps> i honestly think it got a lot better after e1 and the 4.9/10 on imdb is unjust
[07:05] <diplo> mapps: Nope it still sucks! You're just getting used to it :)
[07:07] <daftykins> haha expectations gone down
[07:09] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:09] <daftykins> o/
[07:58] <Hazed> good morning everybody.  i have a issue with 15.04 (though it happens since 14.04).  when i boot my keyboard layout changes back to from uk to us.  ubuntu keeps doing this from time to time.  im curious to see if anybody else knows about this problem?
[07:59] <directhex> havenb't seen it, it persists for me
[08:01] <Hazed> would the model of the laptop i'm using cause the issue (i have a lenovo x220)
[08:01] <Hazed> ?
[08:02] <directhex> doubt it
[08:03] <Hazed> oh good. :) thank you for clearing that up.
[08:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:13] <daftykins> o/
[08:13] <MooDoo> hello daftykins
[08:13] <MooDoo> hello davmor2
[08:14] <daftykins> time to take apart an oven 0o
[08:14] <daftykins> this'll be fun
[08:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: how's life good sir
[08:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: good thanks mate :D nothing exciting to report, not had to touch my servers in ages as they are working pretty sweet, how boring eh lol
[08:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: servers are meant to be boring though, they are meant to just site there and work :)  You had a play with juju yet or snappt for that matter :)
[08:17] <davmor2> that would make life exciting again :)
[08:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: nah mate, once i got ubuntu/kvm/glusterfs working no need to try anything else at the moment, maybe if i win the lotter and can have my own datacenter :D
[08:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: you can play with them in vm's :P
[08:20] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i know, my host doesn't have that much ram, i may play in time, but why touch the servers if i don't need to...:D
[08:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: snappy will run in kvm on your laptop as will juju what's your excuse now :P
[08:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: damn you
[08:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: thinking of getting this so i can code with my son/daughter :D - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Teach-Your-Kids-Code-Parent-Friendly-x/dp/1593276141/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1431591635&sr=8-3&keywords=teach+python
[08:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice :)
[08:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: however if it doesn't start '10 print "Dad's a muppet"; 20 goto 10'  it's not teaching them to code the way we learnt :)
[08:26] <Laney> going to be a noisy day
[08:26] <Laney> got window fitters here
[08:26] <daftykins> erk!
[08:26] <MooDoo> davmor2: he knows what one already lol
[08:26]  * Laney is camped out in the dining room instead of $office
[08:27] <Laney> they just walked straight upstairs and started working
[08:27] <Laney> no chit-chat
[08:27] <Laney> that's what I like to see
[08:27] <MooDoo> Laney: give it 10 mins when they break for tea ;)
[08:27] <davmor2> Laney: no excuse for not using irc more than ever not to mention telegram :P
[08:27] <daftykins> need to stare at the job for a good hour, yet
[08:27] <Laney> there is severe banging going on
[08:28] <MooDoo> then lots of hhmmmmm arrrs then break for tea again
[08:28]  * Laney inserts noise blocking headphones
[08:28] <Laney> goodbye world
[08:28] <MooDoo> they have brought the wrong windows ;)
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:28] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:28] <Laney> this is the part where the roof caves in right
[08:28] <davmor2> Laney: cruel is meant to go in the middle there I'm sure
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:28] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:33] <foobarry> is the best game ever, one that i have never played?
[08:33] <foobarry> keep seeing teasers for games that in my mind are brilliant, but the reality is a letdown
[08:34] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Golf Day! 😃
[08:34] <foobarry> tale of anubus (archimedes circa 1990), no mans sky (PC), after the rapture (PC)
[08:35] <popey> yeah, no mans sky looks amazing
[08:35] <popey> and is like games I've imagined since I was 10 years old
[08:35] <JamesTait> popey, wb!
[08:35] <popey> lo
[08:35] <popey> also, NMS is PS4 exclusive initially :(
[08:36] <JamesTait> Feeling better, I presume?
[08:36]  * bashrc doesn't care much about games
[08:40] <directhex> popey: sony are funding it
[08:40] <directhex> popey: be glad it's not cancelled. the devs lost everything in a flood
[08:40] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: So it's a rootkit in a fancy dress?
[08:40] <directhex> TwistedLucidity: they're gonna get root access to everyone's ps4!
[08:41] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:41] <directhex> http://www.hellogames.org/2014/01/the-flood/
[08:42] <popey> i knew of the flood, didn't realise Sony were fully bankrolling the thing afterwards
[08:42] <daftykins> popey: hmm that looks neat
[08:42] <daftykins> (NMS)
[08:43] <daftykins> now i too shall growl at Sony :D
[08:43] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: It's being released for Windows (not all PCs) so.....
[08:43] <directhex> TwistedLucidity: sony's indie funding generally doesn't exclude PC ports. see also grim fandango remastered
[08:43] <directhex> they're paying to block xbone ports
[08:44] <TwistedLucidity> directhex: Crikey, GF-remasted is actually for PCs and not just Windows!
[08:44] <foobarry> "no mans sky will be best game ever"
[08:45] <foobarry> pretty much all websites repeating same hype
[08:45] <popey> the port will come no doubt, just later..?
[08:45] <foobarry>  :(
[08:45] <popey> well, to be fair from the in game footage it does look a bit neat
[08:45] <TwistedLucidity> Graphics don't make the game, playability does
[08:46]  * davmor2 drives a certain VW over JamesTait foot you happy about that golf :D
[08:46] <MooDoo>  I've just watched a youtube for no mans sky, looks amazing
[08:47] <davmor2> I don't like first person perspective games and even I'm tempted but I don't want to have to buy a ps4
[08:47] <foobarry> which one MooDoo
[08:47] <JamesTait> davmor2, now we know why you no longer drive for a living. 😝
[08:48] <MooDoo> foobarry: just the one on the home page - http://www.hellogames.org/
[08:48] <foobarry> i watched a terrible playstation livecast that made me cry
[08:48]  * davmor2 parks the golf on JamesTait other foot and catches the train home
[08:49] <foobarry> is it about flying exploring or first person exploring
[08:50] <foobarry> i.e. elite or morrowind
[08:50] <davmor2> foobarry: both by the video I just saw
[08:50] <davmor2> foobarry: http://www.no-mans-sky.com/about/ watch the first video
[08:51] <foobarry> dinosaurs everywhere
[08:51] <MooDoo> shame it's only ps4 to start with, another game i'd just purchase
[08:52] <foobarry> maybe in 10yrs i'll ask about the game again and buy a pre-owned ps4 if its worthwhile
[08:52] <foobarry> i believed that shenmue was the best game ever
[08:52] <foobarry> i decided that in 5yrs if it was still awesome i'd buy dreamcast
[08:54] <czajkowski> davmor2: popey any idea why I'd be experiening this crazyness  http://pix.ie/czajkowski/3761313/size/1024  latest update of FF 38 on 15.04 is massive text
[08:55] <foobarry> sounds a lot of  elite gameplay in it
[08:55] <foobarry> the low flying dogfights look amazing
[08:58] <davmor2> czajkowski: looks the same for me in FF and chromium so just you
[08:59] <czajkowski> bah
[08:59] <czajkowski> chrome chromium are both fine
[08:59] <czajkowski> I seem to have an OAP setting on FF :)
[08:59] <czajkowski> Unfortunately I do use FF for work mail
[09:05] <popey> czajkowski: dunno, maybe ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[09:05] <popey> TwistedLucidity: I wasnt talking about graphics
[09:06] <popey> also, duh
[09:07] <foobarry> which is the best application for producing gorgeous user doc and tutorial documents ?
[09:07] <popey> latex
[09:07] <foobarry> (ultimately PDFs or web based)
[09:07] <foobarry> will need screenshots
[09:07] <popey> ubuntu manual is generated using latex
[09:07] <foobarry> latex great for books and papers, not sure about tutorials with screen shots?
[09:07] <popey> has many screenshots
[09:07]  * foobarry checks
[09:08] <foobarry> the old one?
[09:08] <popey> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ that one
[09:08] <popey> old?
[09:09] <foobarry> this looks nice https://elementary.io/docs/human-interface-guidelines#popovers
[09:09] <diplo> foobarry: I've started using Sphinx, uses rst format
[09:09] <foobarry> i think they used markdown and github
[09:09] <diplo> Can use markdown too
[09:09] <directhex> i used princexml to generate good PDFs from xhtml input
[09:10] <diplo> http://sphinx-doc.org/
[09:11] <diplo> http://bootstrap-datepicker.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[09:11] <diplo> readthedocs uses it, I use their theme
[09:11] <foobarry> lots of ideas, cheers guys
[09:14] <foobarry> is the ubuntu manual latex source available?
[09:16] <awilkins> There's an Ubuntu manual?
[09:16] <popey> yes
[09:17] <popey> http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved
[09:17] <foobarry> thx popey
[09:18] <Laney> I feel like a worrying amount of plaster has come off the walls where these guys are working...
[09:19] <popey> is it landing in your tea, more importantly!
[09:19] <Laney> there's a ceiling and floor in between us
[09:20] <Laney> wasn't really counting on plastering and redecorating the rooms though
[09:20] <foobarry> work or home?
[09:21] <Laney> home
[09:21] <foobarry> are they your men?
[09:21] <foobarry> or a neighbour
[09:21] <Laney> some local company
[09:22] <foobarry> working on your property?
[09:22] <Laney> yes
[09:23] <foobarry> ah
[09:23] <Laney> should I have expected there to be damage?
[09:24] <Laney> the other rooms are tiled ...
[09:24] <foobarry> i didn't account for having a buy a new patio and lawn after my extension
[09:24] <foobarry> added a lot to budget
[09:25] <foobarry> and also my kitchen diner got messed up but we painted over the ripped off plaster
[09:25] <davmor2> Laney: anything they damage they should in theory put right
[09:25] <Laney> kind of thought they would just make it fit in the same hole
[10:03] <foobarry> decided on using atom editor and markdown
[10:13] <davmor2> Laney: I am beginning to worry about your choice of glazier now :)  But I'm sure it will be fine when they finish honest
[10:14] <Laney> hope so!
[10:14]  * Laney is inexperienced in matters house
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> ji just know enough to avoid the straw and sticks variants... :-)
[10:26] <ujjain> I have a question about stock.
[10:26] <ujjain> are there cheap brokers of ETF's outside of an ISA?
[10:26] <ujjain> most of them charge 0,3%, which is twice the cost of an ETF tracker
[10:26] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: why the straw and stick homes are stunning nowadays :P  http://pajaconstruction.com/portfolio/joanne-calkins-straw-bale-home/
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> ujjain: this isn't really a place for financial help
[10:27] <zmoylan-pi> yeah they've built a few in ireland. lets see how they're doing in 20 years in irelands climate
[10:28] <zmoylan-pi> and i'd want to see how they deal with radon gas in them too
[10:28] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: better than you think if they are maintained properly.  There are some in the uk that are still standing happily after 200 year
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> How to ruin your own morning. 1) Release a product version 2) About 2 days later, deploy said version internally 3) Run around in a flap because it doesn't work
[10:29] <zmoylan-pi> if it worked reliably, then ireland would already be doing it... we're cheap :-)
[10:29] <TwistedLucidity> Then, about and hour later, realise that you deployed the wrong version so *of course* it doesn't work!
[10:29]  * TwistedLucidity hangs head in shame
[10:30] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: people in the UK and Ireland are too into brick.
[10:30]  * zmoylan-pi hands TwistedLucidity brown paper bag so he can sit in corner in shame... :-)
[10:31] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: in france and spain where the regs are less strict they are popin up all over the place same goes for earth shelters too.
[10:34] <zmoylan-pi> ireland's rules are stict because stories of the 'night of the big wind' remain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Big_Wind
[10:42] <Laney> HAHA wtf
[10:42] <Laney> glass just rained down
[10:43] <Laney> looks like it was one of the old ones ...
[10:51] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: I wonder how hard they are to insure....
[10:52] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: They cost less, are naturally fire retardant and on the whole you don't need much in the way of heating so less likely to catch fire so on the whole cheaper
[10:53] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: the issue is planning permission
[10:53] <TwistedLucidity> I'm more thinking of the standard "Is you home built from stone/brick/concrete? (Y/N)" limitation that most policies seem to impose.
[10:54] <TwistedLucidity> I quite like the look of some of the eco designs.
[10:55] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: I think the big issue would be finding an insurer that understands the building materials once you have that it should be cheaper I assume there are wiki's that will have that kinda info too
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> More than likely. As for planning permission - dead easy. Just find some greenfields; the council won't object.
[10:56] <TwistedLucidity> Mumble...grumble...
[11:00] <foobarry> do you need planning application for a loft extension?
[11:00] <diplo> If it is to be lived in yes
[11:00] <diplo> IE a bedroom
[11:00] <foobarry> my neighbours down the road didn't get one
[11:01] <TwistedLucidity> Yup. Our council had a really good website where you could look up the regs. Depends on size, if it's to be lived in etc.
[11:01] <diplo> They'll need retrospective later if they want to sell it :)
[11:01] <foobarry> i searched the council site
[11:01] <foobarry> not there
[11:01] <TwistedLucidity> I'll see if I can find the link again....been ages
[11:02] <foobarry> they aren't my direct neighbour so i aint getting involved
[11:05] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I don't think this is what I used, but it looks good (although none of the interactive stuff works for me) http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/
[11:06] <TwistedLucidity> I guess my council may have just mirrored it, I remember reading the area/height regs for the shed I was building
[11:53] <foobarry> my daughter wouldn't sleep unless she had all of the following with her in the cot http://i.imgur.com/WQKF4ql.jpg
[11:53] <foobarry> asked for one at a time
[11:53] <foobarry> JUST GO TO SLEEP!! need kangarooo...
[11:54] <foobarry> ok here's your kangaroo, please sleep. need cat...
[11:54] <popey> hah
[11:54] <popey> sophie used to have a blanket made from a ripped up top wifey used when breastfeeding
[11:54] <popey> "raggy"
[11:55] <foobarry> oph yeah there's the 2 muzzies she has too
[11:55] <popey> She once had it tucked in the back of her trousers as a "tail" when she was pretenting to be a horse.
[11:55] <popey> Went to the loo, forgetting it was there, turned round to flush
[11:55] <popey> bye bye raggy
[11:55] <foobarry> oh dear
[11:55] <popey> she was devastated
[11:55] <popey> we couldn't stop laughing
[11:56] <popey> luckily she'd ripped it up and there were loads of them left
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: see and this is why parents are evil :D
[11:56] <foobarry> we thought muzzies were a good comfort as they are replaceable but daughter wants "yellow muzzie" which is the white one, not the yellow one.
[11:56] <popey> sam had taggies
[11:56] <foobarry> and son still likes bear muzzie and star muzzie
[11:56] <popey> the things that have tags all round them
[11:56] <popey> they're very popular
[11:56] <popey> we also bought backups of their fave toys in case of loss, from ebay
[12:01] <foobarry> Weak hand grip linked to early death, cardiovascular risks: study
[12:02] <popey> TIL: Sainsburys diet lemonade is disgusting.
[12:02] <foobarry> features pictures of handhakes rather than the truth which is: The study involved people between the ages of 35 and 70, who were followed over four years. They were asked to squeeze an object as hard as possible with their hands in order to measure the force exerted by their grip.
[12:03] <foobarry> diet everything is gross
[12:06] <foobarry> http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sex-offenders-star-trek-flat-being-sold-by-his-ex-wife-because-she-wants-a-fresh-start-10248955.html
[12:06] <foobarry> i think if they wanna sell it they shouldn't tell everyone he's a paedo
[12:12] <mapps> this duolingo app is kinda cool
[12:12] <mapps> helping me with my spanish:D
[12:12] <mapps> learning Russian and Spanish atm -- spanish foremost
[12:20] <foobarry> wow, the simpsons is still going?
[12:20] <foobarry> do they still show new eps on british telly?
[12:22] <zmoylan-pi> i stopped watching after season 10
[13:24] <foobarry> any good apps in the latest amazon app giveaway?
[13:25] <foobarry> sorcery 3 of course
[13:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:26] <bashrc> tzag bigcalm
[13:28] <popey> bigcalm: morning onion-breath
[13:29] <bigcalm> :D
[13:29] <bigcalm> I'm enjoying it while I can
[13:30] <bigcalm> Picking Hayley up from the airport at 4am on Saturday
[13:33] <diplo> 4am?!!? Tell her to get a taxi! :D
[13:34] <zmoylan-pi> some sort of app maybe on your phone... :-)
[13:34] <bigcalm> I am that taxi
[13:34] <zmoylan-pi> can you do the rudeness and archaic opinions?
[13:34] <popey> http://teslaclubsweden.se/test-drive-of-a-petrol-car/ is quite entertaining
[14:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't listen to diplo
[14:21] <diplo> !!!!!!
[14:21] <diplo> :P
[15:10] <foobarry> ok i'm not sold of markdown
[15:10] <foobarry> on*
[15:10] <foobarry> seems too simplistic
[15:11] <awilkins> The upside of Markdown is there are so many libraries to parse it
[15:11] <awilkins> The downside of Markdown is that they don't all do it the same, or support the same features
[15:12] <foobarry> yeah so the same basic common fature set is small
[15:12] <foobarry> i guess its useful for various contributors to a github project
[15:12] <awilkins> I like Textile, but virtually nothing other than Redmine supports it
[15:13] <awilkins> What we really need is a single, well documented, standard (as in - there is a set of unit tests that must pass that document at LEAST it's rendering as HTML)
[15:13] <awilkins> For the UberWikiTextFormat
[15:13] <foobarry> the alleged twiki<-> markdown conversion in pandoc doesn't exist
[15:13] <foobarry> maybe i'm using markdown wrong
[15:14] <foobarry> or maybe its a way to get people to write basic stuff that gets presented in glorious css styled pages at the end
[15:14] <foobarry> or maybe its just hipsters re-inventing wiki markup
[15:16] <intrbiz> IMHO Markdown is easier than wiki markup, or at least I can remember it more / use it more
[15:17] <intrbiz> you can always inline html in markdown if you need complex stuff too
[15:19] <popey> anyone moving house http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-49902001.html
[15:20] <popey> the only thing out of place there is the glitter ball
[15:20] <awilkins> And the urge not to touch anything because it was previously inhabited by a paedophile.
[15:21] <popey> it was?
[15:21] <popey> ah
[15:21] <popey> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tony-alleyne-star-trek-fan-2256669
[15:23] <popey> He once claimed: "Some people might think I'm a bit of a sad individual, but I'm not. I'm just really into Star Trek - it's my only vice."
[15:23] <popey> 50% true
[15:25] <foobarry> :(
[15:25] <foobarry> is he in jail?
[15:25] <popey> he was
[15:25] <popey> sentenced to 3 years, 2.5 years ago
[15:26] <popey> turns out it wasn't his flat
[15:27] <davmor2> hahaha
[15:28] <foobarry> :-|
[15:29] <Laney> window guys have left for the day and there's a glass shelf suspiciously missing from the bathroom
[15:29] <Laney> bet they broke it when they smashed the window
[15:29] <foobarry> shoulda hired linux ones
[15:30] <Laney> REISUB
[15:30] <diplo> awilkins: sphinx checks your syntax is correct before outputting it to html
[15:30] <diplo> Or rather it checks the rst format is correct and warns you whats wrong
[15:31] <foobarry> output from markdown->pdf or html is ugly and massive
[15:31] <foobarry> latex learning curve a bit steep
[15:32] <awilkins> Markdown --[pandoc]--> DOCX is horrible
[15:32] <awilkins> Markdown --[pandoc]--> ODT  --[LibreOffice]--> DOCX is also horrible
[15:32] <awilkins> I suspect it's mostly because DOCX is horrible
[15:38] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: DOCX is an open standard and is filled with sugar-frosted unicorns. It shows how much MS cares. :-S
[15:49] <foobarry> i wonder if i can write in markdown and conver tto latex and get nice docs
[15:49] <foobarry> or is that witchcraft
[15:51] <popey> I'm sure it's _possible_
[15:54] <Laney> sure you can, pandoc can do that
[16:24] <dauntless888> Wondering if there is anyone familiar with SSMTP? Trying to use no auth for google’s restricted gmail smtp server aspmx.l.google.com
[16:25] <dauntless888> Can’t seem to find any clue when searching if this is documented