[06:19] <soee> good morning
[06:32] <valorie> did anybody else lose networking or connections after yesterday's updates?
[06:32]  * valorie wasted a day messing with nmcli again
[06:36] <soee> hmm not sure. i think i didnt rebot after those updates
[07:00] <valorie> my cable connection stopped working a few weeks ago, but this got it going again: nmcli connection add type ethernet autoconnect yes ifname eth0
[07:00] <valorie> why in hell it stopped, dunno
[07:01] <valorie> I've not tested that I got wireless going as well
[07:01] <valorie> I guess I never got to the end of man nmcli before, because I got that zinger from the examples there at the end
[07:17] <Mirv> sitter: if you feel like it, feel free to sync also pkg-kde-tools 0.15.17 from Debian :) I'm doing a bit of syncing that (would) rely on that
[07:18] <sitter> Mirv: noted
[11:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:39] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hi so
[11:40] <BluesKaj>  Hi soee, ...again :-)
[11:40] <soee> :)
[12:24] <KDDA> yofel: whats the repro?
[12:25] <yofel> KDDA: for +1? Usual archive repo, just with wily as release
[12:25] <KDDA> just do a kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade ?
[12:26] <yofel> no, that won't work yet. If you want to switch now you have to edit your sources.list by hand
[12:26] <yofel> s/vivid/wily
[12:26] <KDDA> I thought I heard someone saying that wasnt ready yet
[12:27] <yofel> the release upgrade thingy only starts working around alpha1
[12:39] <BluesKaj> this command works,  sudo sed -i 's/vivid/wily/g' /etc/apt/sources.list then update and upgrade
[12:41] <KDDA> yeah, just turning off my other repos
[12:41] <KDDA> is it stable-ish?
[12:42] <KDDA> LOL too late now
[12:43] <BluesKaj> it is, as long as you're not on a production machine 
[12:44] <KDDA> dont like fighting with it too much
[12:45] <BluesKaj> change your pc-hostname in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts 
[12:45] <KDDA> BluesKaj: ??
[12:46] <BluesKaj> if you have a version name in your konsole prompt for example 
[12:47] <KDDA> is my nvidia card going to cause me problems?
[12:47] <KDDA> notcie a lot of wayland stuff being installed
[12:47] <BluesKaj> not yet , my nvidia card driver is fine so far
[12:48] <BluesKaj> still using the nvidia-340
[12:50] <KDDA> ok, well I have to pop out for a while, Ill leave this upgrading!
[12:51]  * KDDA fingers crossed
[12:51] <BluesKaj> KDDA, probly some wayland/weston libs, but X is still default
[12:51] <KDDA> is Wily going to be wayland based?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> not until 16.04/10 afaik
[12:52] <KDDA> will Kubuntu have its own repo by then?
[13:01] <KDDA> here we go, time to reboot
[13:04] <KDDA> well my desktop is back how i left it, so thats a good sign!
[13:18] <sitter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11147361/
[13:19] <sitter> :)
[13:28] <sitter> :D
[13:48] <shadeslayer> sitter: what's that
[13:50] <sitter> :)
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Ah kpurpose
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Apol mentioned it a few times
[15:08] <sitter> -.-
[15:08] <sitter> ScottK: please reject pkg-kde-tools from vivid-proposed
[15:09] <sitter> Mirv: [ubuntu/wily-proposed] pkg-kde-tools 0.15.17ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[17:06] <gorgonzola> Hello all. I just found out that bluetooth in vivid is being transitioned to bluez5, and that the bluedevil package is being kept back in the transitions ppa. Does this mean that it is impossible to use bluedevil in plasma 5 in kubuntu for now?
[18:15] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/GqNknQdhrH6
[18:33] <Etriaph> Thanks for the link soee_
[18:33] <Etriaph> Posted a comment.
[20:19] <soee_> valorie: networking works fine for me after all teh updates
[20:20] <valorie> soee_: glad to hear it
[20:21] <valorie> it might be an odd bug -- there have been occasional problems for well over a year; very few bug reports/comments
[20:21] <valorie> if nobody else reports it, I won't even file another bug report
[20:22] <valorie> a little quirky thing: anybody else noticing that the updater icon no longer disappears once updates have been done?
[20:23] <valorie> it's green, so perhaps that is intended, but I liked it disappearing when no updates are available
[20:24] <sgclark> yeah
[20:24] <soee_> valorie: i can confrm that icons stays after updates, green or redd - depnds on how important the updates were
[20:25] <sgclark> but on another note, I have not had any wifi issues on lappy
[20:25] <soee_> sgclark: hiho, kubuntu-ci poblems solved ? you mentioned yesterday you had some ? :)
[20:26] <sgclark> hiyas, kde-ci issues, not kubuntu.
[20:26] <soee_> ah my fault ;)
[20:26] <sgclark> qt devs broke qt O.o
[20:27] <sgclark> anyway, all good now, just alot of re-building. Working on applications while those build.
[20:27] <sgclark> packaging that is
[20:27] <soee_> sgclark: any idea when kf5.10 might be ready ?
[20:27] <sgclark> err wut?
[20:28] <sgclark> dunno who is working on that sorry
[20:28] <Etriaph> valorie: I have that same bug with Muon Updater
[20:29] <Etriaph> valorie: After you install the updates, it still reports the same number of updates still need to be installed.
[20:29] <sgclark> yeah I think when they fixed the bug when it spammed for every update they introduced a new one :(
[20:29] <Etriaph> But... Media Player (which is supposed to be automatic) doesn't always appear when audio is playing.
[20:30] <Etriaph> If I disable/enable it again it shows up.
[20:31] <KDDA> how do you guys package?
[20:31] <Etriaph> But I see that the IM presence icon is displaying the contact list finally :D
[20:32] <sgclark> KDDA: there is no short answer to that.
[20:33] <KDDA> anything easy to try it out?
[20:34] <sgclark> KDDA: Riddell is an excellent teacher! maybe wait till he gets back for a hands on lesson, then you can ask questions after when trying one on your own.
[20:35] <sgclark> that is how I learned.
[20:35] <valorie> right, red for security updates
[20:35] <valorie> has anyone filed a bug for that?
[20:36]  * valorie hasn't had enough coffee yet to have the energy to file bugs
[20:36] <sgclark> did not annoy me enough haha. The konsole right click menu is about to drive me to bug writing though.
[20:37] <KDDA> is there background reading I could do?
[20:38] <valorie> KDDA: I think we have a page, sec
[20:38] <soee_> this maybe https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development ?
[20:39]  * genii makes a fresh pot of coffee for the troops
[20:40] <valorie> yes, that's the old page -- that will give you a general idea
[20:40] <sgclark> mm coffee
[20:41] <valorie> our scripts and so forth have moved/are moving
[20:41] <valorie> some still on launchpad, some on debian git
[20:41] <sgclark> unfortunately there is not alot of great packaging docs out there that fit our workflow..
[20:41] <sgclark> it is on a VERY LONG to do list... kinda at the bottom though
[20:42] <Riddell> valorie: I'm here but I've been away this week at a conference
[20:42] <Riddell> valorie: how can I help?
[20:43] <valorie> KDDA is looking to start packaging
[20:43] <valorie> and you are the tutor par excellance'
[20:43] <Riddell> KDDA: oh excellent
[20:44] <KDDA> LOL I sense sarcasm !
[20:44] <valorie> no sarcasm!
[20:44] <valorie> we love new packagers
[20:45] <KDDA> valorie: are you one?
[20:45] <valorie> and one of these days one of them will get our beginner packager docs into order
[20:45] <valorie> usually they find some other absorbing work first
[20:45] <valorie> no, not a coder or packagers
[20:45] <valorie> -s
[20:46] <valorie> mostly testing, writing, helping newbies in #kubuntu, GSoC, etc.
[20:49] <Riddell> KDDA: well if you have an hour or two free I can do a tutorial now, although I'm a bit tired with a travellers infection
[20:49] <valorie> :(
[20:49] <valorie> get well soon, Riddell
[20:49]  * valorie is just tired, probably because of the 3-hour time diff
[20:49] <sgclark> :(
[20:49] <sgclark> just tired from working too much
[20:50] <valorie> curable with coffee though
[20:50] <valorie> sgclark: YES
[20:50] <KDDA> up to you Riddell
[20:50] <valorie> my goodness, you need enough sleep and time off having fun
[20:50] <Riddell> KDDA: do you have a launchpad account with an ssh key?
[20:51] <KDDA> no
[20:51] <Riddell> KDDA: make one :)
[20:52] <KDDA> does it have to link to a person?
[20:55] <valorie> of course
[20:55] <valorie> you yourself get the credit or blame for your work
[20:58] <KDDA> I dont like that idea!
[21:03] <valorie> KDDA: code is also "signed" by the person who writes it
[21:03] <valorie> and I used "blame" as there is a `git blame` command to find out who to contact about each line of code if necessary
[21:04] <valorie> we all stand behind and support our work
[21:12] <KDDA> ok, I setup an account
[21:13] <valorie> cool
[21:13] <KDDA> but tried to log in, and its saying bad request - bad robot :(
[21:13] <KDDA> Bad bot, go away! Request aborted.
[21:13] <valorie> you need to set up your ssh key as well
[21:13] <KDDA> I have
[21:13] <valorie> excellent
[21:14] <KDDA> I was about to copy the key across when it started this carry on
[21:15] <Riddell> KDDA: where?
[21:15] <KDDA> launchpad
[21:16] <Riddell> KDDA: what url?
[21:16] <KDDA> https://login.launchpad.net/+login
[21:16] <Riddell> nope, that's the login url
[21:16] <KDDA> thinks Im a bot :/
[21:16] <Riddell> what's your username?
[21:17] <Riddell> hmm no ssh key on https://launchpad.net/~clivejo
[21:26] <soee_> i have one https://launchpad.net/~soee :) 
[21:27] <valorie> oooo, karma ++
[21:27] <yofel> soee++
[21:27] <valorie> oh my, I wonder if I transferred those keys from that old laptop
[21:34] <Riddell> KDDA: ssh ubuntu@ec2-54-159-117-153.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[21:48] <KDDA> something really wrong with my install
[21:48] <Riddell> what's that?
[21:49] <KDDA> plasma-shell keeps crashing
[21:49] <KDDA> strange log-in screens 
[21:50] <KDDA> *curses* nothing will work for me!
[21:51] <KDDA> just took a photo of the login screen and sent it via KDE Connect and the file is corrupt!
[21:51] <valorie>   KDDA, check and make sure that kdm and lightdm are uninstalled and purged
[21:51] <valorie> at one point I had that trouble; removing them simplified things
[21:52] <Riddell> KDDA: well I'm afraid I need to go to sleep,let's try for another day
[21:52] <KDDA> no prob Riddell, thanks for tyring
[21:52] <KDDA> I have gremlins
[21:53] <KDDA> its days like today I hate computers
[21:54] <valorie> it helps to remove stuff you don't use
[21:54] <valorie> imo
[21:57] <KDDA> valorie: http://s29.postimg.org/sscb64crr/Kubuntu15_10_Login.jpg
[21:58] <Etriaph> Do we have any input or control over the screenshots available for apps in current versions of Kubuntu?  (Kmail for example, the screenshot is bad)
[21:58] <Etriaph> re: apps.ubuntu.com
[21:58] <KDDA> date label is messed up and no labels for the accounts
[21:59] <KDDA> BRB going to reboot to see if I can get my taskbar back
[22:00] <valorie> yikes, that is sddm, but messed up!
[22:00] <valorie> still worth purging kdm or lightdm should they still be on your system
[22:01] <Etriaph> I'm hoping the 15.04 install default would be to not install anything but sddm.
[22:02] <valorie> Etriaph: I'm not seeing the kmail screenshot to which you refer?
[22:02] <valorie> yes, the default install should have only sddm
[22:02] <Etriaph> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/kmail/
[22:02] <valorie> no idea how kdm still lurked in my system
[22:03] <yofel> nothing conflicts it, so there was no reason to remove it
[22:03] <Etriaph> I don't have it installed, but ldm and lxdm are installed.
[22:03] <Etriaph> And KDM themes, oddly enough.
[22:04] <valorie> yofel: but we had an oversize image, why would we retain stuff we no longer use?
[22:05] <Etriaph> valorie: The screenshots look like stock KDE4, I'm betting all of the apps should get an upgrade shot for Breeze
[22:05] <valorie> yes, I just can't tell from that webpage where their script draws from for the images
[22:06] <yofel> valorie: it shouldn't be on the image..
[22:06] <valorie> well, I "inspected element" and can see the script name but that's all
[22:06] <yofel> yep, it isn't
[22:06] <valorie> Etriaph: why not file a bug on the website
[22:06] <Etriaph> Even the icons are old for those apps.
[22:06] <Etriaph> Oh, good idea.
[22:06] <valorie> that will start a dialog with whomever is responsible
[22:07] <KDDA> every time I try to switch users my display corrupts
[22:10] <valorie> Etriaph: web devels like to know someone is seeing their work
[22:13] <Etriaph> The apps site is a little strange now that I think about it... The available versions for everything is a different list, some show up to 14.04, some to 13.10, does anyone know why?
[22:14] <valorie> I've never seen that site before, and wonder why they even have it
[22:15] <valorie> seems to be just an ad for their software center
[22:15] <ahoneybun> hey Etriaph and valorie
[22:15] <Etriaph> ahoneybun: Hey man.
[22:16] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[22:19] <yofel> wow, the kontact screenshow is kde3 and... in spanish?
[22:19] <yofel> *screenshot
[22:20] <valorie> yeah, their script is whacked
[22:21] <valorie> or we need to put some screenies somewhere for them
[22:27] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin_: ping
[22:28] <valorie> bbl
[22:59] <Etriaph> I'll take generic screenshots from a new user perspective if there's somewhere I can just send them.  I did log a bug against it.
[23:01] <Etriaph> Is it OK to say that I'm apalled by some of the shots that are up there?  :D