[01:24] <beuno> jgdx, I merged intro trunk and filed an RT to deploy, I'll chase the RT
[04:40] <pepetux> parle t on français ici ?
[04:45] <pepetux> Bonjour tout les user ubuntu touch
[06:02] <sturmflut2> Good morning!
[06:11] <dholbach> good morning
[06:12] <dodeluser> good morning :-)
[06:16] <dodeluser> I have a new bq ubuntu phone. What I am missing is a fast possibility to do an internet search (analogue e.g. the search widget on an android phone)... on bq I have to open browser.. then go to www.google.de (because I cannot change start page yet, right?)
[06:16] <dodeluser> any tips for me?
[06:20] <sturmflut2> dodeluser: You don't have to go to www.google.de, just enter the search term in the address field and press Return.
[06:21] <sturmflut2> dodeluser: Swipe in the launcher from the left, press on the browser icon, enter the search term, press Return. That's the fastest way I know of.
[06:22] <dodeluser> ok, thanks. I will do it like that.. any chance to get search suggestions ?
[06:25] <sturmflut2> dodeluser: Hm, that's a question for the Core Apps Developers. rpadovani might know.
[06:26] <dodeluser> ok, thanks in any case.
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> alot of activity
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[08:19] <sturmflut2> The most important question is
[08:19] <sturmflut2> Will the fridge have Convergence
[08:21] <jgdx> sturmflut2, whether or not the fridge will become a desktop if you plug a mouse/keyboard into it?
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:22] <sturmflut2> jgdx: Yes
[08:24] <sturmflut2> But the ultimate goal is obviously "Ubuntu Snappy Skynet", when your fridge desktop sends an Erle Robotics drone to get milk
[08:24] <ogra_> indeed !
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> alot of snappy devices rise these days
[08:25] <jgdx> how will they communicate?
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> did you guys read that article about apt-get and snappy?
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-stable-future-ubuntu
[08:26] <davmor2> sturmflut2: it already does, not only does it keep things cool, you can freeze things too,   I have no idea where that will lead ;)
[08:28] <jgdx> $ thaw chicken
[08:28] <sturmflut2> jgdx: Both the fridge and the drone have Wi-Fi and connect to the internet
[08:29] <jgdx> sturmflut2, they should communicate locally imo
[08:30] <sturmflut2> jgdx: They can, with P2P/mesh Wi-Fi and stuff
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> maybe theyl communicate over the snappy ninja sphere
[08:30] <jgdx> sturmflut2, that raises the question, will apps be allowed to perform that kind of communication?
[08:30] <jgdx> (for me, I haven't done a app that uses networking)
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> there's a wifi scanner for ubuntu came out recently
[08:32] <sturmflut2> lotuspsychje: network scanner, not Wi-Fi scanner
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> right thats the one
[08:34] <sturmflut2> Does anybody know why https://uappexplorer.com/app/city.zubozrout doesn't show up in the Ubuntu Store on my bq?
[08:34] <dholbach> sturmflut2, maybe available only in a select number of countries?
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Nylon Stockings Day! 😝
[08:38] <sturmflut2> dholbach: That's what I thought as well, but the store API says   "whitelist_country_codes": []
[08:38] <sturmflut2> dholbach: So AFAICT it's not restricted
[08:39] <dholbach> mmh
[08:40] <ogra_> sturmflut2, probably it uses a too new framework definition
[08:40] <ogra_> i see it on my vivid phone
[08:41] <popey> it uses 15.04 framework
[08:41] <ogra_> yeah, then it wont show up on the default bq
[08:41] <sturmflut2> ogra_, popey: Yes, thanks for pointing that out.
[08:42] <sturmflut2> I should propably also list the "framework" field in the RSS feed
[11:32] <jgdx> mpt, any luck with the testing of the thing?
[11:33] <mpt> jgdx, has the vivid PPA been rebuilt? I was told yesterday it was broken
[11:36] <jgdx> mpt, not sure. Not sure of anything when it comes to that anymore.
[11:53] <NIN101> what's the difference between http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu/krillin/ and http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/krillin.en/krillin/?
[12:05] <jgdx> davmor2, ^
[12:06] <davmor2> NIN101: custom-tarball but both are on wily and will likely break heavily
[12:46]  * mhall119 kicks ogra_ 
[12:46] <ogra_> hahaha
[12:46] <ogra_> morning :P
[12:47] <mhall119> congrats on the 10 years though
[12:47] <mhall119> :)
[12:47] <ogra_> heh, thanks :)
[12:47] <mhall119> but sending out an email like that before I've had my coffee......not fair
[12:48] <davmor2> mhall119: we should of all started our replies with NNNNNNNNNooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!  and then it would really of played with your head :)
[12:50] <kenvandine> Elleo, i have a review for you, when you have a chance https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/url-dispatcher/+merge/259039
[12:50] <jgdx> kenvandine, I have one for you as well :)
[12:51] <kenvandine> woot
[12:51] <jgdx> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/hotspots-binding/+merge/252296
[12:51] <jgdx> it's only 3k lines
[12:51] <kenvandine> oh my
[12:51] <kenvandine> well, a bunch of it i've reviewed before... of course no telling what parts of it :)
[12:52] <kenvandine> jgdx, actually i can select the diffs, easier to review :)
[12:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, indeed!
[12:53] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, just looking at that now
[12:53] <kenvandine> Elleo, great, thanks
[12:56] <mhall119> davmor2: nah,we should have played along and just responded with "good riddance"
[12:56] <ogra_> lol
[13:00] <jgdx> "Oliver Grawert… rings a faint bell"
[13:00] <mhall119> cwayne: ping
[13:01] <cwayne> mhall119, pong
[13:01] <mhall119> cwayne: hey, regarding scopes API docs
[13:01] <mhall119> what's on the site now comes form the vivid archive doc packages
[13:02] <mhall119> sorry, utopic's archives
[13:02] <cwayne> ah, i don't suppose that can be switched to vivid?
[13:02] <mhall119> currently, I've got a branch ready that will switch it to vivid and ubuntu-sdk-15.04 framework that should go out next week
[13:03] <mhall119> then as soon as ubuntu-sdk-15.10-dev1 framework is created, I'll switch that on too
[13:03] <cwayne> mhall119, that'd be great, thanks
[13:03] <mhall119> cwayne: but the docs listed under sdk-14.10 are what was in utopic (and what is currently on stable phone images)
[13:03] <mhall119> so those are accurate for that target, correct?
[13:03] <cwayne> mhall119, right, but we were working on 1504 framework
[13:03] <cwayne> yeah
[13:03] <cwayne> but 14.10 is so yesterday :P
[13:04] <mhall119> ok, so as long as the doc package in vivid has the changes, they'll be online soon
[13:04] <mhall119> cwayne: yeah yeah, but until vivid phone images are official, that's all I care about :)
[13:05] <cwayne> mhall119, :)
[13:08] <cwayne> mhall119, thanks for the info though, good to know itll be updated soon enough :)
[13:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, reviewed, see my comments
[13:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, most important is the test, i think that test should be split into at least 3 separate tests
[13:15] <kenvandine> each test should be something the user wants to accomplish
[13:18] <jgdx> kenvandine, okkedoke
[13:19] <dednick> kenvandine: where does the pay-ui log to?
[13:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks for the review. Re: ui elements always visible: they are not. If WiFi is disabled, so is the hotspot entry.
[13:21] <jgdx> so if the test runs somewhere the is no indicator-network, it will be skipped, not fail
[13:21] <kenvandine> oh without indicator-network...
[13:21] <kenvandine> dednick, no idea... i don't work on pay-ui :)
[13:21] <dednick> kenvandine: ah. sorry.
[13:21] <kenvandine> dednick, no worries
[13:21] <dednick> kenvandine: nevermind. i just found it :)
[13:21] <kenvandine> jgdx, so like on the desktop?
[13:22] <dednick> ah. i think it was mardy ?
[13:22] <kenvandine> jgdx, but it'll always run on the device?
[13:22] <kenvandine> dednick, i think it's dobey
[13:22] <dobey> what?
[13:22] <kenvandine> pay-ui?
[13:22] <dobey> yeah
[13:22] <mardy> dednick: I'm on Online Accounts
[13:23] <kenvandine> hey mardy!
[13:23] <mardy> kenvandine: hi :-)
[13:23] <mardy> kenvandine: oh yes, I saw your ping about the tests
[13:23] <dobey> it logs to the per-app file in ~/.cache/upstart/ (i think they are timestamped and have the full app id or something in the filename)
[13:23] <jgdx> kenvandine, will wifi always be enabled?
[13:23] <dobey> and also in ~/.cache/payui/payui.log iirc
[13:23] <mardy> kenvandine: where can I see the test results?
[13:23] <kenvandine> jgdx, so i'm fine with that skip as long as we know it'll run on in CI
[13:24] <kenvandine> mardy, well... we figured it out
[13:24] <kenvandine> uitk is broken in wily
[13:24] <kenvandine> autopilot stuff
[13:24] <mardy> kenvandine: OK, sounds like fun then :-)
[13:24] <kenvandine> so anything that runs autopilot tests that also use uitk is broken
[13:24] <kenvandine> no /sbin/initctl on wily
[13:24] <kenvandine> and they make an assumption that it exists
[13:25] <kenvandine> elopio was working on a fix
[13:25] <kenvandine> mardy, so in the mean time everything landing in wily that runs autopilot tests as autopkgtests is getting held up in proposed
[13:26] <mardy> kenvandine: oki
[13:40] <dednick> mardy: how do i set OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL for the online accounts ui?
[13:40] <mardy> dednick: OAU_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 OAU_DAEMON_TIMEOUT=9999 online-accounts-service
[13:41] <mardy> dednick: make sure there isn't another running already
[13:41] <dednick> mardy: thanks
[14:28] <kenvandine> Elleo, branch updated
[14:28] <Elleo> kenvandine: okay, cool
[14:31] <dednick> dobey: what generates the prompt session request for the pay-ui?
[14:32] <dobey> dednick: pay-service
[14:34] <kenvandine> awe, jgdx, bfiller: i reconfigured silo 13 (hotspot) and kicked another build, so will be ready for more testing  when the build finishes
[14:34] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks
[14:44] <awe> kenvandine, thanks
[14:49] <davti> how can I load my app qreated on the ubuntu-sdk  in my bq-aquaris?
[14:51] <mpt> jgdx, kenvandine: So, what is the exact name of the channel I should flash before installing the silo? (since it’s not devel-proposed)
[14:55] <kenvandine> mpt, i'm not sure... pmcgowan^^
[14:55] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, what channel should mpt use to ensure he gets vivid-proposed?
[14:55] <sturmflut2> davti: Enable developer mode, then click on "Devices" in Qt Creator and click the "Refresh devices" button at the bottom.
[14:56] <sturmflut2> davti: When your device is detected you can do stuff with it from within Qt Creator
[14:56] <ogra_> kenvandine, mpt ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[14:59] <kenvandine> mpt, what device?
[14:59] <kenvandine> ogra_, i think he might be on mako... but could be wrong
[14:59] <ogra_> kenvandine, yes, mako is fine
[15:00] <kenvandine> so ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed ?
[15:00] <kenvandine> just drop the last bit
[15:00] <mpt> kenvandine, krillin
[15:00] <kenvandine> mpt, great, then the one ogra_ posted
[15:00] <ogra_> kenvandine, no
[15:01] <ogra_> thats the actual channel name ... you cant drop anything :)
[15:01] <kenvandine> ogra_, so out of curiosity, what channel to use for mako?
[15:01] <ogra_> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[15:01] <ogra_> for vivid that is
[15:01] <mpt> thanks ogra_
[15:02] <ogra_> note that sadly the image numbers were re-set ... it started at image 1 six days ago ...
[15:02] <ogra_> (so you will get image 6 now)
[15:02] <kenvandine> ogra_, wait... bq-aquaris.en for mako?  that is very confusing!
[15:03] <ogra_> kenvandine, tell slangasek :)
[15:03] <ogra_> it seems to be the only vivid channel we have left
[15:03] <ogra_> and it has builds for mako
[15:03] <ogra_> (dailies it seems)
[15:03] <kenvandine> ok then...
[15:04] <kenvandine> nobody would figure that out on their own :/
[15:12] <mpt> The part I like is that ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed is apparently a redirect to ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu which is wily
[15:13] <ogra_> heh
[15:14] <mpt> “2015/05/15 16:02:01 Start pushing /home/mpt/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/ubuntu-b32c626f269643e16c08bc08608abd056523a2f7deb1a7ee12e078c8301a06d6.tar.xz to device” … It’s not supposed to take 12+ minutes, is it?
[15:19] <jgdx> mpt, phone unlocked and you can access it?
[15:24] <mpt> jgdx, yes
[15:25] <mpt> (22 minutes now)
[15:25] <jgdx> mpt, I mean see it using adb ($ adb devices)
[15:26] <mpt> jgdx, yes
[15:26] <jgdx> mpt, it's supposed to take a while, but maybe not that long of a while.
[15:26] <mpt> jgdx, but “adb shell” hangs — I don’t know whether that’s normal during a flash, I’ve never tried
[15:27] <mpt> ok, I’ll cancel it and try again
[15:28] <ogra_> mpt, not normal ...
[15:28] <ogra_> you can have as many parallel adb shell connections as you like
[15:28] <mpt> Ugh, now it’s hung before even displaying the first progress bar
[15:29] <ogra_> re-plug the phone ... sounds like something on the USB level
[15:29] <mpt> ok
[15:31] <mpt> Welp, I’ll see if it’s finished by Sunday
[15:34] <slangasek> kenvandine, ogra_: maybe you're looking for ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu ?
[15:34] <slangasek> kenvandine, ogra_: it's confusing that bq-aquaris.en is the only /promoted/ vivid channel for mako; but that's been the reality all along, now it's just made more obvious with the channel namse
[15:35] <sturmflut2> ogra, popey, mzanetti, ondra: May I ask for your help regarding one of my upcoming "Hacking Ubuntu Touch" articles?
[15:35] <mzanetti> seems a complex topic if you need all 4 of us :D
[15:35] <sturmflut2> Haha
[15:36] <sturmflut2> "The Fantastic Four"
[15:36] <mzanetti> so what's the problem?
[15:37] <sturmflut2> I tried to identify where the log messages of all default processes on the system go, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11149166/ , but even after putting a lot of effort into it the table still has too many missing or "None?" entries.
[15:37] <popey> sturmflut2: seen the log viewer app?
[15:37] <popey> yeah,I guess some don't have logs
[15:38] <popey> or will go to syslog
[15:38] <sturmflut2> popey: The Log Viewer app doesn't handle the Android Logging system e.g., and a lot of processes use that one
[15:38] <popey> ah
[15:39] <sturmflut2> In the end I sat there with find, grep, lsof, ldd and pals to find every possibility, but as said, too many entries are empty and I'm not sure if I'm missing something.
[15:41] <cwayne> sturmflut2, try running adb shell /system/bin/logcat
[15:42] <ondra> sturmflut2 logs for system are under /var/log and for user processes are under ~/phablet/.cache/upstart
[15:42] <ondra> sturmflut2 and as cwayne said, anything running in the container is then as logcat
[15:42] <sturmflut2> cwayne: I did, only to find out that it blocks on my bq while reading the "events" buffer.
[15:42] <ondra> sturmflut2 so you need to combine 3 sources
[15:48] <sturmflut2> I think I'll just publish the damn thing, it's been in the works for days now.
[15:50] <popey> do it, let the internet tell you you're wrong
[15:50] <sturmflut2> You don't want to be wrong on the internet
[15:50] <mzanetti> ^^
[15:51] <mzanetti> chances are it's the new right afterwards
[15:53] <mzanetti> sturmflut2, a quick glance over that table doesn't seem to bring up more logfiles in my head...
[15:54] <sturmflut2> https://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/05/15/hacking-ubuntu-touch-part-6-logfiles/
[16:02] <sturmflut2> In the next article I will do some actual work, up till now it was all about laying the foundation
[16:39] <ogra_> slangasek, the rootfs in that bq-aquaris.en channel is definitely from today, that cant be the promoted channel
[16:40] <slangasek> ogra_: in what channel?
[16:40] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~$ ubuntu-device-flash query --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en --device=krillin --list-images|tail -1
[16:40] <ogra_> 6: description='ubuntu=20150515,device=20150511-3912934,custom=20150507-685-29-11-vivid,version=6'
[16:40] <ogra_> slangasek, ^
[16:41] <ogra_> this looks like a daily vivid image to me
[16:42] <slangasek> ogra_: I didn't say that was a promoted channel
[16:42] <slangasek> it's obviously not, it has "-proposed" in the name
[16:43] <ogra_> sorry, i mis-read: "<slangasek> kenvandine, ogra_: it's confusing that bq-aquaris.en is the only /promoted/ vivid channel for mako; "
[16:43] <slangasek> right, by which I meant ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en and ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en
[16:43] <ogra_> right
[16:44] <ogra_> that you re-set the versions for vivid is quite tricky for my changelog generator :/
[16:51] <slangasek> ogra_: what do you mean? there was no reset of versions on either the ubuntu-touch/vivid or ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed channels
[17:04] <ogra_> slangasek, ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed is gone, no ? and ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en now gets the daily builds ... latest image in tthe latter is #6
[17:06] <ogra_> or am i mis-reading something there
[17:08] <ogra_> http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/version-6.json has ubuntu=20150515 ... which is todays rootfs ...
[17:16] <JMS_touch> can anyone help with changelog for killn from devel-proposed?
[17:16] <JMS_touch> *krillin
[17:17] <slangasek> ogra_: ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed maps to ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu, which is what it always was before
[17:17] <ogra_> JMS_touch, not with a recent one ... i need to get the above sorted :) ... generally http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/vivid/ and http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/rtm/ for the daily builds though
[17:17] <JMS_touch> thankyou for a v swift response
[17:18] <slangasek> ogra_: the changelog delta between images on ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en is going to large, because it's "rebase from ubuntu-rtm/14.09 to vivid"
[17:18] <ogra_> slangasek, so for vivid dailies i would go with: ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu ? ... thats not what https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels says ...
[17:19] <slangasek> ogra_: no. why are you talking about vivid dailies?
[17:19] <ogra_> (the wiki says daily wily for that channel)
[17:19] <slangasek> there's "rc-proposed" and there's "devel-proposed"
[17:20] <ogra_> slangasek, i'm generating changelogs and run the imagebot in -ci-eng ... i want to keep it functioning for vivid dailies
[17:20] <ogra_> (and indeed add wily)
[17:20] <slangasek> ogra_: the whole reason these channels were renamed is because it's wrong to think of this in terms of "vivid"
[17:21] <slangasek> there is no channel that was vivid last week and is still vivid this week
[17:21] <ogra_> well, we do a daily image build from vivid+overlay ... where does that end up ?
[17:21] <slangasek> rc-proposed
[17:23] <ogra_> slangasek, ok, and if i want to get the changelog that correspondents to the mako smoke testing image i would use mako from ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en or would it be ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu ?
[17:24]  * ogra_ checks http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/vivid/touch/ and starts comparing numbers 
[17:24] <slangasek> ogra_: there should be no difference in rootfs between those two channels; per the list discussion, we've recommended ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu be used for mako smoke testing
[17:25] <ogra_> ok, then i'll bind the changelogs to that image, thanks
[17:26] <ogra_> i really think we need some better concept ... that gets really confusing (and wont become easier with more devices)
[17:29] <ogra_> (or at least apply the new channel naming concept everywhere ... http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/vivid/touch/ doesnt seem to map to anything at all anymore currently)
[17:33] <bqphone> hi there, any app i can use to resize images?
[17:34] <ogra_> the gallery app has a crop tool ...
[17:36] <bqphone> i dont want to crop, i want to decrease the size
[17:36] <dobey> crop != scale
[17:36] <ogra_> yeah, indeed
[17:40] <bqphone> that means there is no app to resize phone and my only option is to crop it?
[17:40] <bqphone> phone = image
[17:41] <ogra_> there is imagonario in the store, that i ssupposed to have such features i think ... but i doubt it is ready yet
[17:41] <Ninjamahs> ahoy
[17:41] <bqphone> i will test it now, and will tell if it work.
[17:41] <bqphone> thx
[17:42] <ogra_> bqphone, in any case file a whishlist bug against gallery so the feature request is on the radar of the developers
[17:42] <dobey> you want to scale to send as sms? images for mms get automatically scaled, fwiw
[17:42] <ogra_> bfiller, ^^ i guess there is already something like a whishlist bug for resize in gallery ?
[17:43] <ogra_> dobey, well, with the arale you end up with quad HD pictures or some such ... would make sense to be able to sscale them down for soacial network sharing etc
[17:43] <bqphone> link please so i do the whislist
[17:43] <Ninjamahs> im thinking of trying to port touch to a device iv got, but was wondering if someone with a bit of experience with the touch stuff might be able to clear up a few things
[17:44] <bqphone> well if you want to attach photoes to some forums, you are limited with a specific size
[17:45] <popey> yeah, we dont have that feature yet
[17:45] <popey> probably better filing against camera app
[17:45] <bqphone> where i can add to the whishlist ?
[17:45] <ogra_> bqphone, https://bugs.launchpad.net/gallery-app/+filebug
[17:45] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app
[17:45] <popey> AIUI camera will replace gallery
[17:45] <ogra_> oh ?
[17:45] <ogra_> ok
[17:47] <Ninjamahs> like i recently setup my linux with an android build environment, and did the hefty repo sync not too far back. can the stuff i syncd be used in conjunction or do i have to do another massive sync if i decide to try porting touch to my device
[17:47] <dobey> weird
[17:48] <dobey> Ninjamahs: if you have AOSP of android 4.4, you should be ok i guess
[17:48] <Ninjamahs> i literally repo synced for practically a whole day
[17:49] <Ninjamahs> with intent to build android5.0 so im pretty sure it got that in there too
[17:49] <bqphone> done
[17:51] <dobey> i think 5.x has some incompatible changes that make ubuntu not work on top of it. afaik, you need the 4.4 AOSP tree to use for ubuntu
[17:51] <ogra_> well,, you need the phablet tree
[17:52] <Ninjamahs> yes all i mean is, that i think my repo sync covered the source code from android like 1.x something all the way up to the latest
[17:54] <dobey> i guess follow the porting guide then, and i guess if you do need to pull extra stuff it will probably be faster since you've already done the full checkout of android
[17:58] <Ninjamahs> https://github.com/zombi-x/platform_manifest/blob/lp5.1/default.xml thats what i syncd with
[17:58] <Ninjamahs> pretty sure it includes aosp along with many others
[17:59] <Ninjamahs> i could be wrong
[18:09] <dobey> i don't know
[18:10] <Ninjamahs> hmm ok
[18:13] <aeg0n> hola
[18:22] <bogdan_> Hello, I want to activate tehthering now...
[18:23] <bogdan_> I activated developer mode on bq
[18:23] <bogdan_> the screen is on
[18:23] <bogdan_> and in terminal on ubuntu: adb shell android-gadget-service enable rndis
[18:23] <bogdan_> but i am conected on my router not on my bq
[18:23] <bogdan_> how to make this to work
[18:24] <bogdan_> is someone willing to enter on my computer through TEamWiever... to make this work
[18:24] <bogdan_> ?
[18:25] <bogdan_> ethernet on BQ is disconected
[18:25] <ogra_> on an ubuntu desktop you simply disable the cable connection ...
[18:25] <dobey> does your phone not appear as a network device under the network menu in the top panel?
[18:25] <ogra_> then it should automatically pick the phone connection
[18:26] <bogdan_> #dobey: in the top panel "ethernet (BQ)"  is disabled
[18:26] <dobey> select it as the connection
[18:26] <bogdan_> #ogra: i will disable cable
[18:26] <bogdan_> I will lose internet on this chat
[18:26] <bogdan_> ok, i wil try
[18:26] <bogdan_> I will close the router
[18:27]  * ogra_ only ever tested on laptops ... there it just switches from wlan to the phone automatically
[18:31] <bogdan_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn2YlpGfSAc&feature=youtu.be
[18:31] <bogdan_> you can see on this video
[18:31] <bogdan_> that the option to conect to ubuntu bq is disable
[18:33] <bogdan_> that is the first option on that list
[18:33] <bogdan_> and i have no option
[18:39] <ogra_> and it does not get activated when you disable the router connection ?
[18:39] <ogra_> weird ...
[18:39] <ogra_> works fine here on 14.04 and 14.10 desktops
[18:46] <dobey> bogdan_: does your phone not have a data connection?
[19:01] <dobey> hmm
[19:01] <dobey> what was the reason for the "/bin/bash: permission denied" error when trying to run scripts and such in the terminal app on the phone?
[19:03] <ogra_> confinement
[19:04] <dobey> but the terminal app is using the "unconfined" profile no?
[19:04] <ogra_> the terminal app doesnt give you the equivalent to a full shell ... iirc exec() is prevented
[19:05] <ogra_> you can do anything interactively you want and execute system commands too ... but you cant exec scripts
[19:06] <ogra_> (not sure thats a bug or a feature ... jdstrand would know)
[19:06] <ogra_> ssh to localhost is a valid workaround though ...
[19:07] <dobey> well, some system commands are scripts, which break in that scenario
[19:08] <dobey> or well, i guess chroot isn't, but chroot can't exec the child bash or something as a result
[19:08] <ogra_> right, chroot is definitely blocked
[19:09] <ogra_> check syslog ... i'm sure you have denials from apparmor
[19:11] <jdstrand> the unconfined template is not equivalent to truly unconfined, however, we use 'pix' for everything, so an exec() shouldn't be blocked
[19:11] <ogra_> jdstrand, but a chroot call will, right ?
[19:12] <jdstrand> I would not be surprised if chroot didn't work
[19:13] <jdstrand> feel free to file a bug with denials and we can see if we can get it fixed/provide a local workaround
[19:13] <dobey> is there some way we can make chroot work?
[19:13] <dobey> well enabling sshd and doing "ssh localhost" is a local workaround, but i'd prefer to not have that be the recommended way to create a chroot for using CLI tools
[19:16]  * ogra_ really waits for a generic terminal widget ... you could just ship a chroot inside a click along with it and have a chrooted terminal app 
[19:17] <ogra_> (that way confinement wouldnt matter at all)
[19:17] <dobey> except "chroot" doesn't work because of apparmor, and it requires root
[19:17] <ogra_> fakechroot then ;)
[19:20] <dobey> the denials should appear in syslog right?
[19:20] <ogra_> yep
[19:20] <ogra_> or in dmesg
[19:20] <dobey> weird
[19:20] <dobey> ah there it is
[19:21] <dobey> May 15 19:19:39 ubuntu-phablet kernel: [ 6512.464939] type=1400 audit(1431717579.681:66): apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" profile="com.ubuntu.terminal_terminal_0.7.70" name="/home/phablet/vivid-chroot/bin/bash" pid=21562 comm="chroot" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[19:21] <dobey> so it's just that chroot can't exec a child
[19:23] <bfiller> ogra_: we automatically scale before sending via MMS
[19:24] <dobey> bfiller: there's no way for a person to scale when picking from content-hub into a random web page to upload an image, though
[19:24] <bfiller> dobey: true, we should do that automatically
[19:24] <bfiller> kenvandine: ^^^
[19:25] <bfiller> we've discussed this before
[19:26] <dobey> bfiller: i don't think it should be automatic on the client side. if i want to upload a 21megapixel image to a site, i should be able to; it shouldn't be automatically scaled down for that i don't think
[19:27] <dobey> mms makes some sense for the automatic scaling, but even then i think i'd like an option to turn it off
[19:27] <t-ask> Hi, I have the bq mobile, but I can't unlock my SIM card, any idea?
[19:28] <t-ask> I press the "unlock" button but nothing happens... got the newest update
[19:28] <bogdan_> dobey: Yes, my phone have 3G, data conection
[19:28] <bfiller> dobey: I guess you should be prompted at some point before the transfer happens what size you want, i.e. original, med, small or soemthing like that
[19:29] <bogdan_> sorry, i was out for  some minutes
[19:29] <dobey> maybe
[19:29] <dobey> bogdan_: interesting. file a bug report i guess. i'm not sure why that would happen
[19:29] <bogdan_> ok, thanks
[19:30] <bogdan_> i am on 15.04
[19:30] <bogdan_> ubuntu 15.04
[19:30] <bogdan_> maybe this could be a cause
[19:30] <jcbjoe>  bogdan_ how did you get on 15.04 ?
[19:30] <bogdan_> i upgrade
[19:31] <bogdan_> from 14.10
[19:31] <jcbjoe> bogdan_: ubuntu phone ?
[19:31] <dobey> bogdan_: maybe a bug in networkmanager in 15.04 perhaps. it worked fine for me on 14.04 a couple weeks ago when i tried it
[19:32] <bogdan_> oh, no, ubuntu phone is on 14.09 rtm
[19:32] <bogdan_> v22
[19:32] <dobey> that was with a nexus5 too, not a bq
[19:32] <bogdan_> is there a setting I can check in terminal?
[19:32] <dobey> i don't have a bq
[19:33] <dobey> bogdan_: i'm not sure, but you can probably use nmcli to get a bit more technical info perhaps
[19:35] <bogdan_> i have to go to sleep now, thanks all, i will fill a bug one day about thethering
[19:59] <kenvandine> bfiller, yeah, when picking in gallery they should be able to scale, crop, etc
[20:14] <t-ask> Do you know a good source to get background pictures for the bq?
[20:28] <dadexix86> hi all! do you know if there is a limit (in minutes or bytes) in the videos recorded by the camera?
[21:14] <dobey> dadexix86: either ram or storage, i would guess, depending on how fast it can be flushed to disk
[21:36] <dadexix86> dobey, ok, probably it was the RAM then, since there is enough space for it to go on (that was the first thing that I checked when I noticed it stopped recording)
[21:39] <trickvi> Elleo: hey, a while back when discussing keyboards you mentioned that after I get my MR up I could make my phone writeable and get the keyboard onto it, could you point me to docs I can follow?
[21:42] <dobey> dadexix86: did it just stop recording, or did it appear to crash?
[21:44] <dadexix86> it just stopped recording, the file is ok :)
[21:45] <dadexix86> I was writing things on the whiteboard, preparing a talk for next week and it was on the desk behind me. when I finished and wanted to look at it I discovered that it recorded just 40 mins instead of ~80
[21:45] <dobey> oh
[21:46] <dobey> have a good weekend all!
[21:47] <dadexix86> the exact time of recording is 42:50 mins. before this morning I recorded one of 1h and 18mins and of more or less the same size, but some bytes smaller (2.147.371.753 byte against 2.147.378.881 byte)
[21:47] <dadexix86> so I was wondering whether there is a size limit on the files...
[21:50] <Elleo> trickvi: thinking about it, there's actually two steps you'd have to take, first switch to the devel-proposed channel and then make the phone writable; as the debs are only built against vivid (which has a different Qt version)
[21:50] <Elleo> trickvi: and you should only switch to devel-proposed if you're really happy running experimental (and sometimes broken) stuff
[21:51] <Elleo> trickvi: so it might be safest to just wait until OTA 4
[22:11] <trickvi> Elleo: I'm happy to run experimental, but is OTA 4 still on for end of May?
[22:12] <trickvi> Elleo: experimental means I might find things I can help out with ;)
[22:30] <jgdx> sturmflut2, cool post about logging. System Settings' log is at .cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log