| diddledan | from a kerbal person: "Jebadiah says the new KAS harpoons are safe: http://i.imgur.com/GtDtt2W.jpg" | 03:49 |
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| zmoylan-pi | merely a flesh wound | 03:54 |
| diddledan | I think most wounds tend to be in the flesh, no? | 04:26 |
| mapps | hi kids | 04:28 |
| diddledan | morning | 04:28 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 05:56 |
| knightwise | morning everyone | 06:50 |
| diddledan | m00 | 06:52 |
| diddledan | no, wait, that's for MooDoo | 06:52 |
| diddledan | erm. <insert witty retort about knightwise's nick> | 06:53 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 07:02 |
| MooDoo | :) | 07:02 |
| MooDoo | good timing there diddledan :D | 07:02 |
| diddledan | baaa | 07:03 |
| diddledan | o_O | 07:03 |
| diddledan | that's not right! | 07:03 |
| knightwise | anyone get the Dell Xps 13 developer ed yet ? | 07:05 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diplo | Morning all | 07:35 |
| MooDoo | knightwise: is this just a dell with ubuntu on it? | 07:35 |
| MooDoo | morning diplo | 07:35 |
| knightwise | MooDoo: sort of. | 07:37 |
| knightwise | they have 2 models , one with a QHD display and one with a FullHD display | 07:37 |
| knightwise | i'm kinda wondering which one I should get | 07:37 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 08:06 |
| davmor2 | Laney: hows the windows work going | 08:06 |
| knightwise | morning davmor2 Laney | 08:06 |
| Laney | some of them seem to be in place | 08:07 |
| Laney | can't really tell how it is going to look when they're done | 08:07 |
| Laney | will be fine if they do good quality work *cough* | 08:07 |
| Laney | haven't started on the kitchen windows though so i'm dubious they will finish today as planned | 08:08 |
| Laney | (been sitting in their van outside for 30 minutes now) | 08:22 |
| awilkins | We had that. Wardrivers in the car park. | 08:27 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Nylon Stockings Day! 😝 | 08:35 |
| diddledan | oh myy | 08:37 |
| popey | Nylons! Well sir! | 08:40 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: thanks now I need some mind bleach you in Nylons is not an image I need this early in the morning | 08:42 |
| JamesTait | But davmor2, it's Friday! | 08:43 |
| knightwise | Nylons + hairy manleggs ! | 08:49 |
| knightwise | has anyone seen the Dell XPS13 in action ? the 2015 edition | 08:50 |
| * diddledan puts rocky horror on to watch | 08:50 | |
| diddledan | now that's how you wear stockings! | 08:51 |
| MooDoo | I loved going to watch that at the theatre | 08:53 |
| davmor2 | It's just a jump to the left | 09:03 |
| davmor2 | and then a step to the riiiiiight | 09:05 |
| MooDoo | hehe | 09:07 |
| popey | well, today I learned http://danielpocock.com/android-betrays-tethering-data | 09:09 |
| davmor2 | put your hands on your hips | 09:09 |
| awilkins | This is one of the reasons I like GiffGaff - at least their tethering policy is clear | 09:15 |
| awilkins | They let you tether on anything that has a limited data plan | 09:15 |
| awilkins | But not the unlimited plan | 09:15 |
| awilkins | I think it's silly - if you actually use enough data for it to be worth the unlimited plan on a phone, you're probably a real YouTube addict | 09:16 |
| diplo | They didn't use to, it was explicit no tethering at one point | 09:16 |
| diplo | Still used to do it occasionally, but never had an issue | 09:16 |
| awilkins | They do seem to be reasonably open to influence from their customers | 09:16 |
| awilkins | I think unlimited data plans are silly though | 09:17 |
| diplo | Seem to be having worse signal though in recent months even though my friends on O2 have great signal in the same area | 09:17 |
| diplo | Not sure why | 09:17 |
| awilkins | Offering unlimited usage of a limited shared common resource is inherently destructive to that resource | 09:17 |
| awilkins | diplo, Same phone? | 09:17 |
| awilkins | diplo, you should test it by swapping SIM cards some time, see if it's an antenna issue | 09:18 |
| diplo | Brand new phone ( for me ) but friend has similar issues on GiffGaff | 09:18 |
| diplo | He's debating leaving because of it, different model.. S5 I think, I've got G2 | 09:19 |
| diplo | Odd that O2 and Giffgaff have different signal strengths, I'm guessing some limiting by O2 | 09:19 |
| diplo | As 4G is being picked up by O2 users here now, not getting it myself but I do in other towns/cities | 09:20 |
| jpds | diplo: Do you have a 4G goodybag? | 09:21 |
| diplo | Yup | 09:21 |
| diplo | Signal I'm sure got worse since switching over to it too | 09:21 |
| jpds | I get 4G around most of London. | 09:21 |
| diplo | I've debated changing back to the non 4G to see if things improve | 09:22 |
| directhex | awilkins: unlimited data isn't about using unlimited data, it's about not needing to think about it. on orange, i couldn't click youtube links when not at home | 09:28 |
| directhex | or i went over quota by downloading an album i wanted to listen to in the car | 09:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | storage is so cheap, it's as easy to carry a large part of your music collection with you | 09:43 |
| awilkins | zmoylan-pi, Yeah, I used to carry my whole music collection with me (N900 with a 32GB SDCard in it) | 09:45 |
| awilkins | Whole music collection is around 18GB | 09:45 |
| popey | \o/ found local cafe with free wifi | 09:45 |
| awilkins | So I can't do that on my Nexus4 | 09:45 |
| Laney | I don't really have a digital music collection any more | 09:45 |
| Laney | never bother to rip things | 09:46 |
| awilkins | Spotify? | 09:46 |
| awilkins | Laney, Heh, I only rip things | 09:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | i don't like depending on the cloud as it's not reliable | 09:46 |
| Laney | plus I usually buy vinyl HOF HOF HOF | 09:46 |
| awilkins | CDs have the following lifecycle in my house i) ripped to OGG ii) put back in the case iii) Filed in the attic | 09:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | i don't do step ii. i throw out the case and put the dvds and cds in storage boxes as the cases take too much space | 09:47 |
| Laney | I have premium so can save songs locally if I want to | 09:47 |
| awilkins | Yeah, I do also | 09:47 |
| Laney | got a few albums stored that way | 09:47 |
| awilkins | It annoys me that Spotify streams are Vorbis but their player won't play OGG files | 09:48 |
| popey | filed a bug? | 09:48 |
| awilkins | It means I can't use Spotify as the one single ubermusic client | 09:48 |
| awilkins | A Spotify Plugin for Rhythmbox would be the other solution :-) | 09:48 |
| awilkins | popey, Have raised it on the forums | 09:48 |
| awilkins | popey, Also, hang in an IRC channel with a Spotify dev (she worked on the new PS4 client) | 09:49 |
| awilkins | It has to be a conscious choice, I can't imagine any developer not taking the chance to make their client play local OGG files when all the libraries are there anyway | 09:50 |
| popey | wonder if it's possible to make a library that you could pre-load before loading another app (like RB or Spotify) which faked the metadata and dynamically transcoded audio files | 09:53 |
| popey | so when the app searched for mp3s the library said "yeah, these Oggs are mp3s" and when the app opened them it just used lame (or whatever) to transcode | 09:54 |
| popey | only really useful for proprietary apps though, and we don't care about them :) | 09:54 |
| directhex | popey: several upnp apps do that | 09:55 |
| directhex | was always a problem for me trying to find guides on serving mkv files to my tv | 09:55 |
| directhex | my tv will play mkv files as long as the MIME type says "this is mpeg-2" not "this is mkv" | 09:55 |
| directhex | but the web i swamped with guides for transcoding to mkv | 09:56 |
| directhex | er, to mpeg2 | 09:56 |
| popey | right | 09:56 |
| davmor2 | pull your knees in tiiiight | 10:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | Pretty sure that "faking the media type" is someting Universal Media Server does....not played with it much | 10:20 |
| foobarry | yay | 11:18 |
| foobarry | pandoc(markdown+latex)= easy to write beautiful docs | 11:18 |
| foobarry | use markdown whenever you just want to write texty things , use latex for latexy bits | 11:18 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| Azelphur | Managed to squeeze a little more out of my clock, seems stable so far... https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=1ZXVoQOTeM12RDk \o/ | 12:56 |
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| TwistedLucidity | Azelphur: Is that oc v8? | 12:58 |
| Azelphur | oc v8? | 12:58 |
| diddledan | I just don't "get" overclocking. at all. | 12:59 |
| TwistedLucidity | Well, if you double your speed you have the mean time to failure. :-P | 12:59 |
| diddledan | presactamondo | 13:00 |
| TwistedLucidity | But one can also run games better, faster simulations etc | 13:01 |
| diddledan | but warranty | 13:01 |
| TwistedLucidity | And some folks just like the challenge. Once you get up to high speeds, you have to worry about head dissapation etc | 13:02 |
| diddledan | I'd rather know that my simulations and games aren't killing my pc | 13:02 |
| TwistedLucidity | Meh, it's just like anything. Some people mod motorcycles, cars etc; other's dont' | 13:02 |
| diddledan | <-- doesn't | 13:03 |
| diddledan | :-p | 13:03 |
| TwistedLucidity | The car isn't really modified (unless you count the roof rack). | 13:03 |
| TwistedLucidity | The motorcycle...well...I have the pieces of paper/certification stamps that state each individual component is road legal.... | 13:04 |
| TwistedLucidity | And who leaves their GNU/Linux OS at the default settings? It's half the fun breaking it? Err, making it fit your needs? | 13:07 |
| Azelphur | diddledan / TwistedLucidity I'd disagree on halving your mean time to failure | 13:08 |
| Azelphur | If you're going for a small OC it won't affect the life at all I'd imagine | 13:08 |
| Azelphur | with larger OCs like mine, it might, but I've mitigated most of that with sufficient cooling | 13:08 |
| TwistedLucidity | Azelphur: The MTF was a joke. | 13:09 |
| Azelphur | ah, it's also a common misconception | 13:09 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: but yea the answer is essentially better performance for the price of a decent cooler | 13:10 |
| Azelphur | and my decent cooler is a water cooling setup which I can keep between builds/sockets | 13:10 |
| TwistedLucidity | Old fish tank, mineral oil.... | 13:10 |
| diddledan | lol | 13:10 |
| Azelphur | doesn't actually work so well - great for a media center / silent PC though | 13:10 |
| diddledan | don't forget the fishies | 13:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | Anyhoo Azelphur, are you using ownCloud 8? | 13:11 |
| Azelphur | oh, yes | 13:11 |
| Azelphur | so that's what oc v8 was :) | 13:12 |
| TwistedLucidity | Any good? Stable etc? I'm still on v7 y'see. | 13:12 |
| diddledan | I saw one of those years ago on early youtube - he didn't take the fans off so they were sat submerged in oil, yet still spinning away | 13:12 |
| Azelphur | TwistedLucidity: I'm a developer, so I'd say yea it's good/stable :P | 13:12 |
| * TwistedLucidity makes note of where to send stroppy emails | 13:12 | |
| TwistedLucidity | ;-) | 13:12 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 13:12 |
| Azelphur | I worked on the new file browser integration in v8 | 13:12 |
| mapps | hm | 13:13 |
| mapps | almost bed time:D | 13:13 |
| mapps | done my days work:D | 13:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | I mostly use it for syncing game saves between computers. A trivial task may be, but it works really well. | 13:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | Apart from when I mess it up.... | 13:13 |
| davmor2 | TwistedLucidity: so most of the time then :P | 13:14 |
| mapps | work at 365 and then translating Bhagdis speach from arabic to english | 13:14 |
| mapps | :D | 13:14 |
| Azelphur | TwistedLucidity: I mostly use it for sharing photos, which is a shame because its kinda bad at it | 13:14 |
| TwistedLucidity | davmor2: Only during upgrade usually. For some reason some Kerbal stuff isn't propagating properly. | 13:14 |
| Azelphur | ownCloud has no easy way to direct link to a file, always have to go through the silly middleman page which is actually bad for photos imo :p | 13:14 |
| TwistedLucidity | Azelphur: I found the photo-app OK | 13:14 |
| diddledan | Azelphur: you're the dev | 13:15 |
| TwistedLucidity | Oh, don't think I've done it like that. Horses of courses, MediaGoblin or something might be better for that use case. | 13:15 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: I'm a dev :) | 13:16 |
| diddledan | exactly :-D | 13:16 |
| TwistedLucidity | And...you clock like just works. I see the pic straight away. | 13:16 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 13:16 |
| * TwistedLucidity is confused, it's easy to do | 13:16 | |
| MartijnVdS | Hello from Margate :D | 13:17 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: what brings you to these shores? | 13:17 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: oh hey, we should coffee or something xD | 13:17 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: welcome to backwards-internet | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: excess days off :P | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | feels like dialup indeed | 13:18 |
| * diddledan mutters something presumably offensive about MartijnVdS' 500/500 connection | 13:18 | |
| Azelphur | backwards? bitch please, MartijnVdS if you come to the right area of beach I just set up my WiFi to cover a significant area | 13:18 |
| TwistedLucidity | Margate? Haven't we built that wall yet? Summon the UKIP Shock Troops! | 13:18 |
| Azelphur | 80mbit direct with enta.net, real fast ;) | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: nice.. not near Oval Gardens I guess :) | 13:19 |
| diddledan | Azelphur: exactly, compared to MartijnVdS ' that's dialup | 13:19 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: nah you're on the other side of Margate | 13:19 |
| TwistedLucidity | I'm happy enough with 50mb down, but the 2mb up is kikking me | 13:20 |
| diddledan | TwistedLucidity: yeah and we're letting random dutch into the country too it seems | 13:20 |
| TwistedLucidity | *killing | 13:20 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Margate,+Kent+CT9+5NU,+UK/The+Oval+Gardens,+Queen's+Promenade,+Margate,+Kent+CT9+2GB,+United+Kingdom/@51.3884858,1.3635858,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x47d95256955d587d:0x400f789f59d7516d!2m2!1d1.3662595!2d51.3849268!1m5!1m1!1s0x47d953bd567d3ac3:0x2df0e97b8053e5b9!2m2!1d1.397878!2d51.391513!3e2 :) | 13:20 |
| diddledan | that's badly encoded | 13:20 |
| Azelphur | indeed lol | 13:20 |
| diddledan | ' breaks my parser | 13:20 |
| Azelphur | but yea, if you go to the beach where my dot is, you'll see an Azelphur-5ghz and Azelphur AP :P | 13:21 |
| diddledan | the black dot? | 13:21 |
| diddledan | like the scarlet pimpernail? | 13:21 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: the postcode, not Oval Gardens. | 13:21 |
| diddledan | Azelphur: nah, I'm being historically humorous | 13:21 |
| Azelphur | oh :P | 13:22 |
| MartijnVdS | first.. a shower... I've been driving/on a boat since 5am | 13:23 |
| Azelphur | sure :) | 13:23 |
| Azelphur | Lemme know if you want me to show you around Margate or whatever, there's not a whole lot here but we do have a pretty kickass sweet shop in town, a small art gallery if you're into that, there's some arcades too | 13:24 |
| Azelphur | I can sneak out of work, perks of working at home lol | 13:25 |
| TwistedLucidity | MartijnVdS: Welcome to Blighty, please form a queue. :-) | 13:27 |
| MartijnVdS | :P | 13:27 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: thanks, but I think today will be "rest", mostly | 13:28 |
| zmoylan-pi | foring a queue... by yourself... that sounds like fun | 13:28 |
| Azelphur | hehe yea makes sense, let me know anyway if you feel like it later / another day :) | 13:28 |
| Azelphur | I'm mostly lurking around at home working anyway | 13:28 |
| MartijnVdS | ok | 13:29 |
| Myrtti | gah, spotify is broken | 13:30 |
| popey | wfm | 13:32 |
| Myrtti | and you're on 1404? | 13:32 |
| Myrtti | I get an error with libgcrypt11 being missing on 15.04, so had to resort to dirty tricksies | 13:34 |
| popey | I'm on 15.10 :) | 13:35 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: there is a fix let me find it for you | 13:37 |
| Myrtti | already found it | 13:37 |
| Myrtti | don't bother | 13:37 |
| Myrtti | "had to resort to dirty tricksies" | 13:38 |
| davmor2 | https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/Spotify-app-and-Ubuntu-15-04/td-p/1121810 | 13:38 |
| davmor2 | Myrtti: ah no worries | 13:38 |
| ali1234 | do they no longer have a web player? | 13:38 |
| davmor2 | works fine on upgrades just not fresh installs | 13:38 |
| TwistedLucidity | Heh, that's like having to install some extar HAL stuff to get Flash working | 13:38 |
| Myrtti | ali1234: doesn't have offline downloads | 13:38 |
| Myrtti | or if it does, good for them? | 13:39 |
| Myrtti | right, music is on, might put some coffee on and start cleaning the house | 13:39 |
| popey | web player doesn't respond to media keys | 13:42 |
| ali1234 | i thought thats what web apps are for? | 13:43 |
| * popey shrugs | 13:46 | |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 16:19 |
| bigcalm | Who likes and understands static routes? | 16:20 |
| bigcalm | My workstation has an iptables rule to send traffic for a given subnet to a VPN | 16:21 |
| bigcalm | I want to allow traffic from another machine to be able to send to that VPN via my machine | 16:21 |
| bigcalm | Do I need to tell my workstation to allow this? | 16:22 |
| bigcalm | Or should it just happen? | 16:22 |
| dutchie | you'll need to do a few thigns | 16:22 |
| dutchie | enable packet forwarding on the hypervisor box and add a route to any other machines that need to send to the subnet | 16:23 |
| bigcalm | What's the hypervisor box? | 16:23 |
| dutchie | the one hosting the vm | 16:23 |
| dutchie | (s) | 16:23 |
| bigcalm | What VM? | 16:23 |
| dutchie | er, brain full of vms from work | 16:24 |
| dutchie | imagine i said "vpn gateway" instead of hypervisor | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | ugh why does everything you buy on ebay either smell like an ashtray or an explosion in an air freshner factory? | 16:26 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: you probably need to configure your workstation to NAT the other traffic down the VPN | 16:28 |
| bigcalm | Oh good point | 16:29 |
| intrbiz | otherwise you might hit issues with routes which need to be on the VPN server, which you probably can't control | 16:29 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: you'll also need to turn on ipv4 forwarding | 16:30 |
| bigcalm | Just found out about ipv4 forwarding and have enabled it | 16:30 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: shorewall is pretty easy for configuring that kinda stuff | 16:30 |
| bigcalm | This is while waiting for the hosting company to give one of our client's machines a public ip address. Trying to route all traffic via my vpn connection. It's annoying me that this isn't as simple as I thought it would be | 16:31 |
| bigcalm | I guess when the network connection is shared in windows, it's doing nat | 16:32 |
| intrbiz | probably yes | 16:32 |
| bigcalm | I should learn to do this properly as it'll be needed when the office server has a site to site vpn connection. I will want allow all office workers to send via the local server to that vpn | 16:33 |
| intrbiz | if the other machine is not your workstation, then it'll need to know who to route to you etc | 16:33 |
| intrbiz | bigcalm: you also need to be careful of triangular routing and other such gotchas | 16:36 |
| bigcalm | Trying to work out if the office router will make a site to site connection with ipsec | 16:53 |
| bigcalm | Have a feeling that it won't be able to | 16:53 |
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| awilkins_ | Are the ubuntu repos being hammered or something? | 20:53 |
| awilkins_ | Hmm. | 20:56 |
| awilkins_ | Upgraded 14.10 to 15.04, for some reason my kernel has stayed at 3.16 | 20:56 |
| daftykins | how odd | 20:57 |
| daftykins | did it even throw a 3.19 on? | 20:57 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
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