[03:49] <diddledan> from a kerbal person: "Jebadiah says the new KAS harpoons are safe: http://i.imgur.com/GtDtt2W.jpg"
[03:54] <zmoylan-pi> merely a flesh wound
[04:26] <diddledan> I think most wounds tend to be in the flesh, no?
[04:28] <mapps> hi kids
[04:28] <diddledan> morning
[05:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:50] <knightwise> morning everyone
[06:52] <diddledan> m00
[06:52] <diddledan> no, wait, that's for MooDoo
[06:53] <diddledan> erm. <insert witty retort about knightwise's nick>
[07:02] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:02] <MooDoo> :)
[07:02] <MooDoo> good timing there diddledan :D
[07:03] <diddledan> baaa
[07:03] <diddledan> o_O
[07:03] <diddledan> that's not right!
[07:05] <knightwise> anyone get the Dell Xps 13 developer ed yet ?
[07:35] <diplo> Morning all
[07:35] <MooDoo> knightwise: is this just a dell with ubuntu on it?
[07:35] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[07:37] <knightwise> MooDoo: sort of.
[07:37] <knightwise> they have 2 models , one with a QHD display and one with a FullHD display
[07:37] <knightwise> i'm kinda wondering which one I should get
[08:06] <davmor2> morning all
[08:06] <davmor2> Laney: hows the windows work going
[08:06] <knightwise> morning davmor2 Laney
[08:07] <Laney> some of them seem to be in place
[08:07] <Laney> can't really tell how it is going to look when they're done
[08:07] <Laney> will be fine if they do good quality work *cough*
[08:08] <Laney> haven't started on the kitchen windows though so i'm dubious they will finish today as planned
[08:22] <Laney> (been sitting in their van outside for 30 minutes now)
[08:27] <awilkins> We had that. Wardrivers in the car park.
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Nylon Stockings Day! 😝
[08:37] <diddledan> oh myy
[08:40] <popey> Nylons! Well sir!
[08:42] <davmor2> JamesTait: thanks now I need some mind bleach you in Nylons is not an image I need this early in the morning
[08:43] <JamesTait> But davmor2, it's Friday!
[08:49] <knightwise> Nylons + hairy manleggs !
[08:50] <knightwise> has anyone seen the Dell XPS13 in action ? the 2015 edition
[08:50]  * diddledan puts rocky horror on to watch
[08:51] <diddledan> now that's how you wear stockings!
[08:53] <MooDoo> I loved going to watch that at the theatre
[09:03] <davmor2> It's just a jump to the left
[09:05] <davmor2> and then a step to the riiiiiight
[09:07] <MooDoo> hehe
[09:09] <popey> well, today I learned http://danielpocock.com/android-betrays-tethering-data
[09:09] <davmor2> put your hands on your hips
[09:15] <awilkins> This is one of the reasons I like GiffGaff - at least their tethering policy is clear
[09:15] <awilkins> They let you tether on anything that has a limited data plan
[09:15] <awilkins> But not the unlimited plan
[09:16] <awilkins> I think it's silly - if you actually use enough data for it to be worth the unlimited plan on a phone, you're probably a real YouTube addict
[09:16] <diplo> They didn't use to, it was explicit no tethering at one point
[09:16] <diplo> Still used to do it occasionally, but never had an issue
[09:16] <awilkins> They do seem to be reasonably open to influence from their customers
[09:17] <awilkins> I think unlimited data plans are silly though
[09:17] <diplo> Seem to be having worse signal though in recent months even though my friends on O2 have great signal in the same area
[09:17] <diplo> Not sure why
[09:17] <awilkins> Offering unlimited usage of a limited shared common resource is inherently destructive to that resource
[09:17] <awilkins> diplo, Same phone?
[09:18] <awilkins> diplo, you should test it by swapping SIM cards some time, see if it's an antenna issue
[09:18] <diplo> Brand new phone ( for me ) but friend has similar issues on GiffGaff
[09:19] <diplo> He's debating leaving because of it, different model.. S5 I think, I've got G2
[09:19] <diplo> Odd that O2 and Giffgaff have different signal strengths, I'm guessing some limiting by O2
[09:20] <diplo> As 4G is being picked up by O2 users here now, not getting it myself but I do in other towns/cities
[09:21] <jpds> diplo: Do you have a 4G goodybag?
[09:21] <diplo> Yup
[09:21] <diplo> Signal I'm sure got worse since switching over to it too
[09:21] <jpds> I get 4G around most of London.
[09:22] <diplo> I've debated changing back to the non 4G to see if things improve
[09:28] <directhex> awilkins: unlimited data isn't about using unlimited data, it's about not needing to think about it. on orange, i couldn't click youtube links when not at home
[09:28] <directhex> or i went over quota by downloading an album i wanted to listen to in the car
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> storage is so cheap, it's as easy to carry a large part of your music collection with you
[09:45] <awilkins> zmoylan-pi, Yeah, I used to carry my whole music collection with me (N900 with a 32GB SDCard in it)
[09:45] <awilkins> Whole music collection is around 18GB
[09:45] <popey> \o/ found local cafe with free wifi
[09:45] <awilkins> So I can't do that on my Nexus4
[09:45] <Laney> I don't really have a digital music collection any more
[09:46] <Laney> never bother to rip things
[09:46] <awilkins> Spotify?
[09:46] <awilkins> Laney, Heh, I only rip things
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> i don't like depending on the cloud as it's not reliable
[09:46] <Laney> plus I usually buy vinyl HOF HOF HOF
[09:46] <awilkins> CDs have the following lifecycle in my house i) ripped to OGG ii) put back in the case iii) Filed in the attic
[09:47] <zmoylan-pi> i don't do step ii.  i throw out the case and put the dvds and cds in storage boxes as the cases take too much space
[09:47] <Laney> I have premium so can save songs locally if I want to
[09:47] <awilkins> Yeah, I do also
[09:47] <Laney> got a few albums stored that way
[09:48] <awilkins> It annoys me that Spotify streams are Vorbis but their player won't play OGG files
[09:48] <popey> filed a bug?
[09:48] <awilkins> It means I can't use Spotify as the one single ubermusic client
[09:48] <awilkins> A Spotify Plugin for Rhythmbox would be the other solution :-)
[09:48] <awilkins> popey, Have raised it on the forums
[09:49] <awilkins> popey, Also, hang in an IRC channel with a Spotify dev (she worked on the new PS4 client)
[09:50] <awilkins> It has to be a conscious choice, I can't imagine any developer not taking the chance to make their client play local OGG files when all the libraries are there anyway
[09:53] <popey> wonder if it's possible to make a library that you could pre-load before loading another app (like RB or Spotify) which faked the metadata and dynamically transcoded audio files
[09:54] <popey> so when the app searched for mp3s the library said "yeah, these Oggs are mp3s" and when the app opened them it just used lame (or whatever) to transcode
[09:54] <popey> only really useful for proprietary apps though, and we don't care about them :)
[09:55] <directhex> popey: several upnp apps do that
[09:55] <directhex> was always a problem for me trying to find guides on serving mkv files to my tv
[09:55] <directhex> my tv will play mkv files as long as the MIME type says "this is mpeg-2" not "this is mkv"
[09:56] <directhex> but the web i swamped with guides for transcoding to mkv
[09:56] <directhex> er, to mpeg2
[09:56] <popey> right
[10:11] <davmor2> pull your knees in tiiiight
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> Pretty sure that "faking the media type" is someting Universal Media Server does....not played with it much
[11:18] <foobarry> yay
[11:18] <foobarry> pandoc(markdown+latex)= easy to write beautiful docs
[11:18] <foobarry> use markdown whenever you just want to write texty things , use latex for latexy bits
[12:56] <Azelphur> Managed to squeeze a little more out of my clock, seems stable so far... https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=1ZXVoQOTeM12RDk \o/
[12:58] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: Is that oc v8?
[12:58] <Azelphur> oc v8?
[12:59] <diddledan> I just don't "get" overclocking. at all.
[12:59] <TwistedLucidity> Well, if you double your speed you have the mean time to failure. :-P
[13:00] <diddledan> presactamondo
[13:01] <TwistedLucidity> But one can also run games better, faster simulations etc
[13:01] <diddledan> but warranty
[13:02] <TwistedLucidity> And some folks just like the challenge. Once you get up to high speeds, you have to worry about head dissapation etc
[13:02] <diddledan> I'd rather know that my simulations and games aren't killing my pc
[13:02] <TwistedLucidity> Meh, it's just like anything. Some people mod motorcycles, cars etc; other's dont'
[13:03] <diddledan> <-- doesn't
[13:03] <diddledan> :-p
[13:03] <TwistedLucidity> The car isn't really modified (unless you count the roof rack).
[13:04] <TwistedLucidity> The motorcycle...well...I have the pieces of paper/certification stamps that state each individual component is road legal....
[13:07] <TwistedLucidity> And who leaves their GNU/Linux OS at the default settings? It's half the fun breaking it? Err, making it fit your needs?
[13:08] <Azelphur> diddledan / TwistedLucidity I'd disagree on halving your mean time to failure
[13:08] <Azelphur> If you're going for a small OC it won't affect the life at all I'd imagine
[13:08] <Azelphur> with larger OCs like mine, it might, but I've mitigated most of that with sufficient cooling
[13:09] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: The MTF was a joke.
[13:09] <Azelphur> ah, it's also a common misconception
[13:10] <Azelphur> diddledan: but yea the answer is essentially better performance for the price of a decent cooler
[13:10] <Azelphur> and my decent cooler is a water cooling setup which I can keep between builds/sockets
[13:10] <TwistedLucidity> Old fish tank, mineral oil....
[13:10] <diddledan> lol
[13:10] <Azelphur> doesn't actually work so well - great for a media center / silent PC though
[13:11] <diddledan> don't forget the fishies
[13:11] <TwistedLucidity> Anyhoo Azelphur, are you using ownCloud 8?
[13:11] <Azelphur> oh, yes
[13:12] <Azelphur> so that's what oc v8 was :)
[13:12] <TwistedLucidity> Any good? Stable etc? I'm still on v7 y'see.
[13:12] <diddledan> I saw one of those years ago on early youtube - he didn't take the fans off so they were sat submerged in oil, yet still spinning away
[13:12] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: I'm a developer, so I'd say yea it's good/stable :P
[13:12]  * TwistedLucidity makes note of where to send stroppy emails
[13:12] <TwistedLucidity> ;-)
[13:12] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:12] <Azelphur> I worked on the new file browser integration in v8
[13:13] <mapps> hm
[13:13] <mapps> almost bed time:D
[13:13] <mapps> done my days work:D
[13:13] <TwistedLucidity> I mostly use it for syncing game saves between computers. A trivial task may be, but it works really well.
[13:13] <TwistedLucidity> Apart from when I mess it up....
[13:14] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: so most of the time then :P
[13:14] <mapps> work at 365 and then translating Bhagdis speach from arabic to english
[13:14] <mapps> :D
[13:14] <Azelphur> TwistedLucidity: I mostly use it for sharing photos, which is a shame because its kinda bad at it
[13:14] <TwistedLucidity> davmor2: Only during upgrade usually. For some reason some Kerbal stuff isn't propagating properly.
[13:14] <Azelphur> ownCloud has no easy way to direct link to a file, always have to go through the silly middleman page which is actually bad for photos imo :p
[13:14] <TwistedLucidity> Azelphur: I found the photo-app OK
[13:15] <diddledan> Azelphur: you're the dev
[13:15] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, don't think I've done it like that. Horses of courses, MediaGoblin or something might be better for that use case.
[13:16] <Azelphur> diddledan: I'm a dev :)
[13:16] <diddledan> exactly :-D
[13:16] <TwistedLucidity> And...you clock like just works. I see the pic straight away.
[13:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:16]  * TwistedLucidity is confused, it's easy to do
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> Hello from Margate :D
[13:17] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: what brings you to these shores?
[13:17] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: oh hey, we should coffee or something xD
[13:18] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: welcome to backwards-internet
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: excess days off :P
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> feels like dialup indeed
[13:18]  * diddledan mutters something presumably offensive about MartijnVdS' 500/500 connection
[13:18] <Azelphur> backwards? bitch please, MartijnVdS if you come to the right area of beach I just set up my WiFi to cover a significant area
[13:18] <TwistedLucidity> Margate? Haven't we built that wall yet? Summon the UKIP Shock Troops!
[13:18] <Azelphur> 80mbit direct with enta.net, real fast ;)
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: nice.. not near Oval Gardens I guess :)
[13:19] <diddledan> Azelphur: exactly, compared to MartijnVdS ' that's dialup
[13:19] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nah you're on the other side of Margate
[13:20] <TwistedLucidity> I'm happy enough with 50mb down, but the 2mb up is kikking me
[13:20] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: yeah and we're letting random dutch into the country too it seems
[13:20] <TwistedLucidity> *killing
[13:20] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Margate,+Kent+CT9+5NU,+UK/The+Oval+Gardens,+Queen's+Promenade,+Margate,+Kent+CT9+2GB,+United+Kingdom/@51.3884858,1.3635858,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x47d95256955d587d:0x400f789f59d7516d!2m2!1d1.3662595!2d51.3849268!1m5!1m1!1s0x47d953bd567d3ac3:0x2df0e97b8053e5b9!2m2!1d1.397878!2d51.391513!3e2 :)
[13:20] <diddledan> that's badly encoded
[13:20] <Azelphur> indeed lol
[13:20] <diddledan> ' breaks my parser
[13:21] <Azelphur> but yea, if you go to the beach where my dot is, you'll see an Azelphur-5ghz and Azelphur AP :P
[13:21] <diddledan> the black dot?
[13:21] <diddledan> like the scarlet pimpernail?
[13:21] <Azelphur> diddledan: the postcode, not Oval Gardens.
[13:21] <diddledan> Azelphur: nah, I'm being historically humorous
[13:22] <Azelphur> oh :P
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> first.. a shower... I've been driving/on a boat since 5am
[13:23] <Azelphur> sure :)
[13:24] <Azelphur> Lemme know if you want me to show you around Margate or whatever, there's not a whole lot here but we do have a pretty kickass sweet shop in town, a small art gallery if you're into that, there's some arcades too
[13:25] <Azelphur> I can sneak out of work, perks of working at home lol
[13:27] <TwistedLucidity> MartijnVdS: Welcome to Blighty, please form a queue. :-)
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> :P
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: thanks, but I think today will be "rest", mostly
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> foring a queue... by yourself... that sounds like fun
[13:28] <Azelphur> hehe yea makes sense, let me know anyway if you feel like it later / another day :)
[13:28] <Azelphur> I'm mostly lurking around at home working anyway
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> ok
[13:30] <Myrtti> gah, spotify is broken
[13:32] <popey> wfm
[13:32] <Myrtti> and you're on 1404?
[13:34] <Myrtti> I get an error with libgcrypt11 being missing on 15.04, so had to resort to dirty tricksies
[13:35] <popey> I'm on 15.10 :)
[13:37] <davmor2> Myrtti: there is a fix let me find it for you
[13:37] <Myrtti> already found it
[13:37] <Myrtti> don't bother
[13:38] <Myrtti> "had to resort to dirty tricksies"
[13:38] <davmor2> https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/Spotify-app-and-Ubuntu-15-04/td-p/1121810
[13:38] <davmor2> Myrtti: ah no worries
[13:38] <ali1234> do they no longer have a web player?
[13:38] <davmor2> works fine on upgrades just not fresh installs
[13:38] <TwistedLucidity> Heh, that's like having to install some extar HAL stuff to get Flash working
[13:38] <Myrtti> ali1234: doesn't have offline downloads
[13:39] <Myrtti> or if it does, good for them?
[13:39] <Myrtti> right, music is on, might put some coffee on and start cleaning the house
[13:42] <popey> web player doesn't respond to media keys
[13:43] <ali1234> i thought thats what web apps are for?
[13:46]  * popey shrugs
[16:19] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[16:20] <bigcalm> Who likes and understands static routes?
[16:21] <bigcalm> My workstation has an iptables rule to send traffic for a given subnet to a VPN
[16:21] <bigcalm> I want to allow traffic from another machine to be able to send to that VPN via my machine
[16:22] <bigcalm> Do I need to tell my workstation to allow this?
[16:22] <bigcalm> Or should it just happen?
[16:22] <dutchie> you'll need to do a few thigns
[16:23] <dutchie> enable packet forwarding on the hypervisor box and add a route to any other machines that need to send to the subnet
[16:23] <bigcalm> What's the hypervisor box?
[16:23] <dutchie> the one hosting the vm
[16:23] <dutchie> (s)
[16:23] <bigcalm> What VM?
[16:24] <dutchie> er, brain full of vms from work
[16:24] <dutchie> imagine i said "vpn gateway" instead of hypervisor
[16:26] <ali1234> ugh why does everything you buy on ebay either smell like an ashtray or an explosion in an air freshner factory?
[16:28] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you probably need to configure your workstation to NAT the other traffic down the VPN
[16:29] <bigcalm> Oh good point
[16:29] <intrbiz> otherwise you might hit issues with routes which need to be on the VPN server, which you probably can't control
[16:30] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you'll also need to turn on ipv4 forwarding
[16:30] <bigcalm> Just found out about ipv4 forwarding and have enabled it
[16:30] <intrbiz> bigcalm: shorewall is pretty easy for configuring that kinda stuff
[16:31] <bigcalm> This is while waiting for the hosting company to give one of our client's machines a public ip address. Trying to route all traffic via my vpn connection. It's annoying me that this isn't as simple as I thought it would be
[16:32] <bigcalm> I guess when the network connection is shared in windows, it's doing nat
[16:32] <intrbiz> probably yes
[16:33] <bigcalm> I should learn to do this properly as it'll be needed when the office server has a site to site vpn connection. I will want allow all office workers to send via the local server to that vpn
[16:33] <intrbiz> if the other machine is not your workstation, then it'll need to know who to route to you etc
[16:36] <intrbiz> bigcalm: you also need to be careful of triangular routing and other such gotchas
[16:53] <bigcalm> Trying to work out if the office router will make a site to site connection with ipsec
[16:53] <bigcalm> Have a feeling that it won't be able to
[20:53] <awilkins_> Are the ubuntu repos being hammered or something?
[20:56] <awilkins_> Hmm.
[20:56] <awilkins_> Upgraded 14.10 to 15.04, for some reason my kernel has stayed at 3.16
[20:57] <daftykins> how odd
[20:57] <daftykins> did it even throw a 3.19 on?