[03:49] from a kerbal person: "Jebadiah says the new KAS harpoons are safe: http://i.imgur.com/GtDtt2W.jpg" [03:54] merely a flesh wound [04:26] I think most wounds tend to be in the flesh, no? [04:28] hi kids [04:28] morning [05:56] morning boys and girls. [06:50] morning everyone [06:52] m00 [06:52] no, wait, that's for MooDoo [06:53] erm. [07:02] hello all [07:02] :) [07:02] good timing there diddledan :D [07:03] baaa [07:03] o_O [07:03] that's not right! [07:05] anyone get the Dell Xps 13 developer ed yet ? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:35] Morning all [07:35] knightwise: is this just a dell with ubuntu on it? [07:35] morning diplo [07:37] MooDoo: sort of. [07:37] they have 2 models , one with a QHD display and one with a FullHD display [07:37] i'm kinda wondering which one I should get [08:06] morning all [08:06] Laney: hows the windows work going [08:06] morning davmor2 Laney [08:07] some of them seem to be in place [08:07] can't really tell how it is going to look when they're done [08:07] will be fine if they do good quality work *cough* [08:08] haven't started on the kitchen windows though so i'm dubious they will finish today as planned [08:22] (been sitting in their van outside for 30 minutes now) [08:27] We had that. Wardrivers in the car park. [08:35] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Nylon Stockings Day! 😝 [08:37] oh myy [08:40] Nylons! Well sir! [08:42] JamesTait: thanks now I need some mind bleach you in Nylons is not an image I need this early in the morning [08:43] But davmor2, it's Friday! [08:49] Nylons + hairy manleggs ! [08:50] has anyone seen the Dell XPS13 in action ? the 2015 edition [08:50] * diddledan puts rocky horror on to watch [08:51] now that's how you wear stockings! [08:53] I loved going to watch that at the theatre [09:03] It's just a jump to the left [09:05] and then a step to the riiiiiight [09:07] hehe [09:09] well, today I learned http://danielpocock.com/android-betrays-tethering-data [09:09] put your hands on your hips [09:15] This is one of the reasons I like GiffGaff - at least their tethering policy is clear [09:15] They let you tether on anything that has a limited data plan [09:15] But not the unlimited plan [09:16] I think it's silly - if you actually use enough data for it to be worth the unlimited plan on a phone, you're probably a real YouTube addict [09:16] They didn't use to, it was explicit no tethering at one point [09:16] Still used to do it occasionally, but never had an issue [09:16] They do seem to be reasonably open to influence from their customers [09:17] I think unlimited data plans are silly though [09:17] Seem to be having worse signal though in recent months even though my friends on O2 have great signal in the same area [09:17] Not sure why [09:17] Offering unlimited usage of a limited shared common resource is inherently destructive to that resource [09:17] diplo, Same phone? [09:18] diplo, you should test it by swapping SIM cards some time, see if it's an antenna issue [09:18] Brand new phone ( for me ) but friend has similar issues on GiffGaff [09:19] He's debating leaving because of it, different model.. S5 I think, I've got G2 [09:19] Odd that O2 and Giffgaff have different signal strengths, I'm guessing some limiting by O2 [09:20] As 4G is being picked up by O2 users here now, not getting it myself but I do in other towns/cities [09:21] diplo: Do you have a 4G goodybag? [09:21] Yup [09:21] Signal I'm sure got worse since switching over to it too [09:21] I get 4G around most of London. [09:22] I've debated changing back to the non 4G to see if things improve [09:28] awilkins: unlimited data isn't about using unlimited data, it's about not needing to think about it. on orange, i couldn't click youtube links when not at home [09:28] or i went over quota by downloading an album i wanted to listen to in the car [09:43] storage is so cheap, it's as easy to carry a large part of your music collection with you [09:45] zmoylan-pi, Yeah, I used to carry my whole music collection with me (N900 with a 32GB SDCard in it) [09:45] Whole music collection is around 18GB [09:45] \o/ found local cafe with free wifi [09:45] So I can't do that on my Nexus4 [09:45] I don't really have a digital music collection any more [09:46] never bother to rip things [09:46] Spotify? [09:46] Laney, Heh, I only rip things [09:46] i don't like depending on the cloud as it's not reliable [09:46] plus I usually buy vinyl HOF HOF HOF [09:46] CDs have the following lifecycle in my house i) ripped to OGG ii) put back in the case iii) Filed in the attic [09:47] i don't do step ii. i throw out the case and put the dvds and cds in storage boxes as the cases take too much space [09:47] I have premium so can save songs locally if I want to [09:47] Yeah, I do also [09:47] got a few albums stored that way [09:48] It annoys me that Spotify streams are Vorbis but their player won't play OGG files [09:48] filed a bug? [09:48] It means I can't use Spotify as the one single ubermusic client [09:48] A Spotify Plugin for Rhythmbox would be the other solution :-) [09:48] popey, Have raised it on the forums [09:49] popey, Also, hang in an IRC channel with a Spotify dev (she worked on the new PS4 client) [09:50] It has to be a conscious choice, I can't imagine any developer not taking the chance to make their client play local OGG files when all the libraries are there anyway [09:53] wonder if it's possible to make a library that you could pre-load before loading another app (like RB or Spotify) which faked the metadata and dynamically transcoded audio files [09:54] so when the app searched for mp3s the library said "yeah, these Oggs are mp3s" and when the app opened them it just used lame (or whatever) to transcode [09:54] only really useful for proprietary apps though, and we don't care about them :) [09:55] popey: several upnp apps do that [09:55] was always a problem for me trying to find guides on serving mkv files to my tv [09:55] my tv will play mkv files as long as the MIME type says "this is mpeg-2" not "this is mkv" [09:56] but the web i swamped with guides for transcoding to mkv [09:56] er, to mpeg2 [09:56] right [10:11] pull your knees in tiiiight [10:20] Pretty sure that "faking the media type" is someting Universal Media Server does....not played with it much [11:18] yay [11:18] pandoc(markdown+latex)= easy to write beautiful docs [11:18] use markdown whenever you just want to write texty things , use latex for latexy bits === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:56] Managed to squeeze a little more out of my clock, seems stable so far... https://owncloud.azelphur.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=1ZXVoQOTeM12RDk \o/ === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:58] Azelphur: Is that oc v8? [12:58] oc v8? [12:59] I just don't "get" overclocking. at all. [12:59] Well, if you double your speed you have the mean time to failure. :-P [13:00] presactamondo [13:01] But one can also run games better, faster simulations etc [13:01] but warranty [13:02] And some folks just like the challenge. Once you get up to high speeds, you have to worry about head dissapation etc [13:02] I'd rather know that my simulations and games aren't killing my pc [13:02] Meh, it's just like anything. Some people mod motorcycles, cars etc; other's dont' [13:03] <-- doesn't [13:03] :-p [13:03] The car isn't really modified (unless you count the roof rack). [13:04] The motorcycle...well...I have the pieces of paper/certification stamps that state each individual component is road legal.... [13:07] And who leaves their GNU/Linux OS at the default settings? It's half the fun breaking it? Err, making it fit your needs? [13:08] diddledan / TwistedLucidity I'd disagree on halving your mean time to failure [13:08] If you're going for a small OC it won't affect the life at all I'd imagine [13:08] with larger OCs like mine, it might, but I've mitigated most of that with sufficient cooling [13:09] Azelphur: The MTF was a joke. [13:09] ah, it's also a common misconception [13:10] diddledan: but yea the answer is essentially better performance for the price of a decent cooler [13:10] and my decent cooler is a water cooling setup which I can keep between builds/sockets [13:10] Old fish tank, mineral oil.... [13:10] lol [13:10] doesn't actually work so well - great for a media center / silent PC though [13:11] don't forget the fishies [13:11] Anyhoo Azelphur, are you using ownCloud 8? [13:11] oh, yes [13:12] so that's what oc v8 was :) [13:12] Any good? Stable etc? I'm still on v7 y'see. [13:12] I saw one of those years ago on early youtube - he didn't take the fans off so they were sat submerged in oil, yet still spinning away [13:12] TwistedLucidity: I'm a developer, so I'd say yea it's good/stable :P [13:12] * TwistedLucidity makes note of where to send stroppy emails [13:12] ;-) [13:12] hehe [13:12] I worked on the new file browser integration in v8 [13:13] hm [13:13] almost bed time:D [13:13] done my days work:D [13:13] I mostly use it for syncing game saves between computers. A trivial task may be, but it works really well. [13:13] Apart from when I mess it up.... [13:14] TwistedLucidity: so most of the time then :P [13:14] work at 365 and then translating Bhagdis speach from arabic to english [13:14] :D [13:14] TwistedLucidity: I mostly use it for sharing photos, which is a shame because its kinda bad at it [13:14] davmor2: Only during upgrade usually. For some reason some Kerbal stuff isn't propagating properly. [13:14] ownCloud has no easy way to direct link to a file, always have to go through the silly middleman page which is actually bad for photos imo :p [13:14] Azelphur: I found the photo-app OK [13:15] Azelphur: you're the dev [13:15] Oh, don't think I've done it like that. Horses of courses, MediaGoblin or something might be better for that use case. [13:16] diddledan: I'm a dev :) [13:16] exactly :-D [13:16] And...you clock like just works. I see the pic straight away. [13:16] hehe [13:16] * TwistedLucidity is confused, it's easy to do [13:17] Hello from Margate :D [13:17] MartijnVdS: what brings you to these shores? [13:17] MartijnVdS: oh hey, we should coffee or something xD [13:18] MartijnVdS: welcome to backwards-internet [13:18] diddledan: excess days off :P [13:18] feels like dialup indeed [13:18] * diddledan mutters something presumably offensive about MartijnVdS' 500/500 connection [13:18] backwards? bitch please, MartijnVdS if you come to the right area of beach I just set up my WiFi to cover a significant area [13:18] Margate? Haven't we built that wall yet? Summon the UKIP Shock Troops! [13:18] 80mbit direct with enta.net, real fast ;) [13:19] Azelphur: nice.. not near Oval Gardens I guess :) [13:19] Azelphur: exactly, compared to MartijnVdS ' that's dialup [13:19] MartijnVdS: nah you're on the other side of Margate [13:20] I'm happy enough with 50mb down, but the 2mb up is kikking me [13:20] TwistedLucidity: yeah and we're letting random dutch into the country too it seems [13:20] *killing [13:20] MartijnVdS: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Margate,+Kent+CT9+5NU,+UK/The+Oval+Gardens,+Queen's+Promenade,+Margate,+Kent+CT9+2GB,+United+Kingdom/@51.3884858,1.3635858,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x47d95256955d587d:0x400f789f59d7516d!2m2!1d1.3662595!2d51.3849268!1m5!1m1!1s0x47d953bd567d3ac3:0x2df0e97b8053e5b9!2m2!1d1.397878!2d51.391513!3e2 :) [13:20] that's badly encoded [13:20] indeed lol [13:20] ' breaks my parser [13:21] but yea, if you go to the beach where my dot is, you'll see an Azelphur-5ghz and Azelphur AP :P [13:21] the black dot? [13:21] like the scarlet pimpernail? [13:21] diddledan: the postcode, not Oval Gardens. [13:21] Azelphur: nah, I'm being historically humorous [13:22] oh :P [13:23] first.. a shower... I've been driving/on a boat since 5am [13:23] sure :) [13:24] Lemme know if you want me to show you around Margate or whatever, there's not a whole lot here but we do have a pretty kickass sweet shop in town, a small art gallery if you're into that, there's some arcades too [13:25] I can sneak out of work, perks of working at home lol [13:27] MartijnVdS: Welcome to Blighty, please form a queue. :-) [13:27] :P [13:28] Azelphur: thanks, but I think today will be "rest", mostly [13:28] foring a queue... by yourself... that sounds like fun [13:28] hehe yea makes sense, let me know anyway if you feel like it later / another day :) [13:28] I'm mostly lurking around at home working anyway [13:29] ok [13:30] gah, spotify is broken [13:32] wfm [13:32] and you're on 1404? [13:34] I get an error with libgcrypt11 being missing on 15.04, so had to resort to dirty tricksies [13:35] I'm on 15.10 :) [13:37] Myrtti: there is a fix let me find it for you [13:37] already found it [13:37] don't bother [13:38] "had to resort to dirty tricksies" [13:38] https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Desktop-Linux-Mac-and/Spotify-app-and-Ubuntu-15-04/td-p/1121810 [13:38] Myrtti: ah no worries [13:38] do they no longer have a web player? [13:38] works fine on upgrades just not fresh installs [13:38] Heh, that's like having to install some extar HAL stuff to get Flash working [13:38] ali1234: doesn't have offline downloads [13:39] or if it does, good for them? [13:39] right, music is on, might put some coffee on and start cleaning the house [13:42] web player doesn't respond to media keys [13:43] i thought thats what web apps are for? [13:46] * popey shrugs === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:19] Good morning peeps :) [16:20] Who likes and understands static routes? [16:21] My workstation has an iptables rule to send traffic for a given subnet to a VPN [16:21] I want to allow traffic from another machine to be able to send to that VPN via my machine [16:22] Do I need to tell my workstation to allow this? [16:22] Or should it just happen? [16:22] you'll need to do a few thigns [16:23] enable packet forwarding on the hypervisor box and add a route to any other machines that need to send to the subnet [16:23] What's the hypervisor box? [16:23] the one hosting the vm [16:23] (s) [16:23] What VM? [16:24] er, brain full of vms from work [16:24] imagine i said "vpn gateway" instead of hypervisor [16:26] ugh why does everything you buy on ebay either smell like an ashtray or an explosion in an air freshner factory? [16:28] bigcalm: you probably need to configure your workstation to NAT the other traffic down the VPN [16:29] Oh good point [16:29] otherwise you might hit issues with routes which need to be on the VPN server, which you probably can't control [16:30] bigcalm: you'll also need to turn on ipv4 forwarding [16:30] Just found out about ipv4 forwarding and have enabled it [16:30] bigcalm: shorewall is pretty easy for configuring that kinda stuff [16:31] This is while waiting for the hosting company to give one of our client's machines a public ip address. Trying to route all traffic via my vpn connection. It's annoying me that this isn't as simple as I thought it would be [16:32] I guess when the network connection is shared in windows, it's doing nat [16:32] probably yes [16:33] I should learn to do this properly as it'll be needed when the office server has a site to site vpn connection. I will want allow all office workers to send via the local server to that vpn [16:33] if the other machine is not your workstation, then it'll need to know who to route to you etc [16:36] bigcalm: you also need to be careful of triangular routing and other such gotchas [16:53] Trying to work out if the office router will make a site to site connection with ipsec [16:53] Have a feeling that it won't be able to === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [20:53] Are the ubuntu repos being hammered or something? [20:56] Hmm. [20:56] Upgraded 14.10 to 15.04, for some reason my kernel has stayed at 3.16 [20:57] how odd [20:57] did it even throw a 3.19 on? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away