[04:45] <xubuntu48w> how do i turn of the screesaver on xubuntu 14, peeps pls?
[08:16] <dodeluser> hello. how can I remove certain items from xfce menu. if you look here http://snag.gy/sA8t2.jpg     I want to remove the items "file manager, webbrowser, terminal emulator"
[08:16] <dodeluser> via config files.. I have these 4 files that I can edit, which are saved under /home/username/.config/menus/
[08:17] <dodeluser> gnome-applications.menu
[08:17] <dodeluser> gnome-flashback-applications.menu
[08:17] <dodeluser> xfce-applications.menu
[08:17] <dodeluser> xfce-settings-manager.menu
[08:17] <dodeluser> But I cannot find where to delete those entries
[09:58] <El_Presidente> hello, i updated two weeks ago to xubuntu 15.04 and since then the login into my user takes ages till i can use the desktop. i have a pretty decent system with an ssd and xubuntu 14.10 was on that particular spot extremely fast
[10:03] <brainwash> El_Presidente: can you describe the time frame until the desktop is usable in more detail? is the wallpaper only visible? did other elements like the panel load immediately?
[10:04] <El_Presidente> the top bar is almost immedately visible
[10:04] <El_Presidente> the background is grey
[10:04] <El_Presidente> it takes then about 10 seconds till the background and the icons appear
[10:06] <El_Presidente> also the xubuntu start button acts very delayed till the wallpaper / icons appear
[10:07] <brainwash> El_Presidente: you could run "killall xfdesktop" and see how much time it takes to reload the desktop
[10:07] <El_Presidente> okay will do
[10:07] <brainwash> and look at the session log file ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log
[10:07] <El_Presidente> its there instantly
[10:08] <brainwash> ok
[10:08] <El_Presidente> do you want a pastebin of the file?
[10:08] <brainwash> I guess
[10:10] <brainwash> oh, one important step in the debug progress is to check if the strange behavior is reproducible with the guest session (or a new user account)
[10:10] <El_Presidente> ok i will check that asap
[10:10] <brainwash> you've upgraded to a newer release, so you are reusing an older user account most likely
[10:11] <El_Presidente> indeed
[10:11] <El_Presidente> hmm it seems the logfile rotation grabbed my log file in this moment
[10:12] <El_Presidente> i will test with a new user first
[10:12] <El_Presidente> brb
[10:12] <brainwash> alright
[10:15] <El_Presidente> well the new user has its desktop icons almost immediately there
[10:15] <El_Presidente> and my other account takes the 10 seconds
[10:16] <brainwash> could be something in your ~/.config/autostart
[10:17] <El_Presidente> brainwash, http://pastebin.com/SJS0MpAD this is the old startxfce4
[10:17] <brainwash> or maybe the result of restoring the previous session on session start
[10:17] <brainwash> (settings manager > session and startup > session > clear cache)
[10:18] <El_Presidente> well there are no windows open or so
[10:18] <El_Presidente> but i can give it a try
[10:19] <El_Presidente> brb
[10:19] <El_Presidente> well that was notably faster
[10:20] <El_Presidente> still not as fast as the pristine account
[10:20] <El_Presidente> but ok
[10:20] <brainwash> take a look at settings manager > session and startup > startup apps
[10:21] <El_Presidente> i make a screen
[10:21] <brainwash> you can also rename ~/.config/xfce4 to reset your Xfce specific settings, and see if this helps
[10:22] <El_Presidente> its not much in there
[10:22] <El_Presidente> xfwm4  / thunar / xfce4-panel / xfsettingsd / xfdesktop / energieverwaltung / pulseaudio
[10:23] <brainwash> from the session tab?
[10:23] <El_Presidente> yes
[10:23] <brainwash> and the startup applications tab?
[10:24] <El_Presidente> now i will upload both ...
[10:25] <El_Presidente> http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=7d0b87-1431686057.png
[10:26] <El_Presidente> it looks pretty standard for me
[10:27] <brainwash> it does
[10:27] <El_Presidente> well the delay is now at 2 seconds
[10:27] <El_Presidente> that is tolerable for me
[10:28] <brainwash> yeah, the difference may be result of you having many desktop icons or panel plugins added to your panel or something like that
[10:28] <El_Presidente> could be
[10:28] <El_Presidente> thank you for your time brainwash
[10:28] <El_Presidente> :)
[10:28] <brainwash> you're welcome :)
[12:07] <knob> Good morning everyone!!
[15:02] <redraw> hey
[15:02] <redraw> it would be nice if network manager indicator icon tells you there's no internet
[15:04] <drc> redraw: Actually, it does.  I just disconnected my (wired) connection and the indicator icon changed from a bright white to dull grey, Plugged it back in and it returned to the origibal white.
[15:05] <drc> This presumes one is using the default icoon set, of course.
[15:05] <redraw> drc, mm yes
[15:05] <redraw> but
[15:05] <redraw> in wireless connection I may be connected to a router
[15:06] <redraw> and because router is working, and I am connected to a LAN, it shows as connected
[15:06] <drc> So what you want is to be told that "the router" is not connected?
[15:06] <redraw> yes = no internet on the machine
[15:08] <drc> So, if one is connected to an "intra"net and not a "inter"net, it will show the connection as down?
[15:08] <redraw> well, maybe another color, not as down
[15:10] <redraw> windows shows an alert inside the icon when this happens, which isn't fully right as you point if you are connected to an intranet
[15:10] <redraw> but, using another color could be an option.
[15:10] <drc> Put it in the widh list
[15:10] <drc> s/widh/wish/
[15:11] <drc> or...code it yourself and submit it.
[15:12] <redraw> i'll write it on the wish list
[15:12] <redraw> where does it live?
[15:12] <redraw> i'll code it write now if i knew.
[15:13] <drc> No idea...I <think> one can file a bug report and label it as "wish".  Think, mind you.
[15:14] <drc> Not a bad idea...there have been times I could have used something like this.
[15:18] <drc> redraw: FYI, what you are looking at is "network-manager-gnome 0.9.10.1-0ubuntu4", so I'm not sure whether you'd have to talk to 1) ubuntu or 2) gnome.
[15:20] <redraw> i haven't talked yet
[15:20] <redraw> so that's the package
[15:21] <redraw> do you mean that is the package to make the request, or you are saying that what I am saying is already implemented?
[15:21] <redraw> @drc
[15:22] <drc> 1) yes, 2) no.
[15:24] <redraw> ok
[15:24] <drc> redraw: You might as on #xubuntu-devel as to the correct way and place to file-the-bug/make-the-request...they'd probably know.
[15:24] <drc> s/as/ask/
[15:25] <redraw> ok, thanks!
[15:26] <drc> You misht nort get an immediate answer, but soon or later someone will know and answer (probably :)
[15:26] <drc>   sudo fingers-learn-how-to-type :(
[15:29] <redraw> that isn't fixed with regex :p
[15:30] <drc> For me, it's not fixed with anything.
[15:30] <redraw> xD
[16:54] <eatmyid> Hello.
[16:56] <eatmyid> Just about to d/l & try xubunu, is there any reason not to choose 15.04?
[16:56] <pleia2> eatmyid: I recommend reading the release announcement and deciding for yourself: http://xubuntu.org/news/15-04-release/
[16:59] <drc> eatmyid: Unless you have a problem with any of the Known Issues listed in the link pleia2 gave you, nope, no reason not to...has worked flawlessly for me since Beta 1.
[17:02] <eatmyid> Ya, can't see any problems. Does 14.03 have the same pkg versions/updates, inc xfce 4.12?
[17:03] <pleia2> only 15.04 has 4.12 supported by default, 14.04 and 14.10 do not (there is no 14.03)
[17:03] <drc> You mean 14.04?  Nope, 15.04 has xfce 4.12, not 4.10
[17:04] <eatmyid> ;) my mistake.
[17:04] <eatmyid> 14.04
[17:04] <drc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu should give you more information.
[17:05] <drc> and http://xfce.org/download/changelogs/4.12 for the updates in xfce 4.12
[17:06] <eatmyid> Ok 15.04/4.12 it is then.
[17:06] <eatmyid> TY all.
[17:06] <drc> np, enjoy
[18:20] <eatmyid> Is there no checksum for 15.04?
[18:23] <brainwash> eatmyid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[18:24] <eatmyid> thanks brainwash
[20:11] <parsnip> is there a way to see all workspaces?
[20:12] <parsnip> like zoom out to an overview?
[20:14] <Unit193> Well, xfdashboard can do that...
[20:17] <parsnip> hmm, thank you. i was hoping something a little more minimal like https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TpVFQJqQ9nQ/hqdefault.jpg
[20:17] <parsnip> xfdashboard looks more like gnome 3 dealy.
[20:39] <bynarie> has anyone here installed nvidia-349 on xubuntu 15.04 successfully???
[20:40] <bynarie> everytime i do, it crashes the whole system and cant get to a shell or anything
[20:44] <drc> bynarie: Have you tried -349 on any other distros, and did it work (if so, what version of the kernel were they using?)?
[20:44] <drc> bynarie: What version of the kernel are you using with 15.04, .15 or .16?
[20:45] <bynarie> well i was originally using the stock 3.19 kernel with xubuntu 15.04, tried nvidia349.. no go
[20:45] <bynarie> only ubuntu, no other distros
[20:45] <drc> bynarie: Does the 340 kernel that xubuntu lists in Additional Drivers work?
[20:45] <bynarie> hm.. mine does not have a 340
[20:46] <bynarie> i got 4 - 346.xx
[20:46] <bynarie> and right now im running kernel 4.0.1
[20:47] <drc> Must be the kernel4 :)
[20:47] <bynarie> yea, but i have also tried with the stock 3.19
[20:47] <bynarie> still didnt work =[
[20:48] <drc> with the stock .16 kernel I get 2 340's , tested and updates.
[20:48] <bynarie> hm
[20:48] <bynarie> oh well ill figure it out
[20:49] <drc> No idea then, sorry
[20:49] <bynarie> im only trying to change because of the bug where the cursor disappears at top of screen
[20:49] <bynarie> have you heard of this?
[20:49] <bynarie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-346/+bug/1440012
[20:49] <drc> nope, and I don't see that behavior on my box.
[20:50] <drc> but then I use -340-updated.
[20:50] <bynarie> are you using the standard repos for nvidia drivers?
[20:50] <drc> yes
[20:50] <bynarie> oh my bad.. i do have a 340
[20:50] <bynarie> ill switch and see if that makes a difference
[20:51] <bynarie> what would be the difference between the 340-updates and 340
[20:51] <drc> TBH, not sure, but I've always gone with updated and never had a problem..
[20:51] <bynarie> ok
[20:52] <bynarie> ill give it a shot.. thanks
[20:53] <drc> bynarie: so what you're going to try is kernel4+nvidia-340-something?
[20:53] <bynarie> yes
[20:54] <drc> let us know?
[20:54] <bynarie> i will
[20:54] <bynarie> one sec
[21:12] <bynarie> well i was actually able to install 349
[21:12] <bynarie> BUT if i run apt-get upgrade, some reason when i reboot my system crashes
[21:15] <nomic> upgrade upgrades version # of your system
[21:15] <nomic> ubuntu version #
[21:27] <bekks> nomic: No it doesnt ;)
[21:27] <nomic> ok
[21:27] <bekks> do-release-upgrade upgrades the version of your ubuntu, update fetches repository content files, upgrade installs upgrades of installed packages, and dist-upgrade does the same, but more safely.
[21:28] <nomic> i see
[21:28] <nomic> DIST. upgrade
[21:28] <nomic> ok tyvm
[22:03] <Ricky_> hey, I'm trying to define the a button-up action for the system shortcuts. is that actually possible?
[22:07] <Ricky_> and is there any chance, that the shortcut-bug for input methods are going to be fixed in near future? I was trying ubunto about > 6 years ago and it also didn't work back then :/
[22:10] <xubuntu42w> hi, why does xubuntu not support mtp by default?
[22:19] <xubuntu42w> I have permission problems with mtp support on xubuntu. I need help.
[23:12] <bazhang> !info gmtp
[23:12] <bazhang> try that, never mind the description