| penguin42 | are you saying that advertising something as a reluctance motor might not sound that good? | 00:07 |
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| daftykins | XD makes it sound like it doesn't want to be cleaning for you | 00:13 |
| daftykins | instead it wants to be free, where all the motors spin for nobody but themselves | 00:13 |
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| mapps | hi all | 05:10 |
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| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:24 |
| dutchie | morning | 08:29 |
| brobostigon | mornind dutchie | 08:32 |
| diddledan | howdo | 14:34 |
| diddledan | sorry, daftykins, I went to bed just after my comment last night so you may have felt ignored :-/ | 14:35 |
| diddledan | so a digital motor is actually a reluctance motor, but what's the v6 all about? | 14:36 |
| diddledan | it's got 6 cylindars in a V formation? | 14:36 |
| diddledan | like my ca? | 14:37 |
| diddledan | car* | 14:37 |
| diddledan | do I need to feed it petroleum? | 14:37 |
| * penguin42 assumes it's the one after v5 | 14:42 | |
| Azelphur | https://twitter.com/ownClouders/status/598741430333480960 look ma I'm famous | 14:42 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 14:44 |
| * diddledan will watch that in a bit | 14:44 | |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: Excellent | 14:44 |
| Azelphur | :) | 14:45 |
| popey | yay | 14:45 |
| diddledan | currently watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B392kwHg_Rs a discussion starter presentation about drupal.org's workflow for contributions | 14:45 |
| * penguin42 wishes he understood why it cost ~£7M to build a 400m chunk of train track | 15:00 | |
| diddledan | 400metres, for 7M? that's an impressive overspend | 15:04 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-15519605 | 15:06 |
| penguin42 | (It just opened) | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | looking at the pictures it looks single track at that | 15:09 |
| daftykins | diddledan: hehe np, yeah i just assumed the 6th version - though surely you'd not want that in marketing 'cause it sounds like it took that many tries to get it right | 15:32 |
| diddledan | lol | 15:33 |
| diddledan | their advert says "only the handheld dyson uses a vee six digital motor" | 15:33 |
| diddledan | it's like women's beauty products containing random marketing invented names | 15:34 |
| diddledan | it's probably exactly the same as competitor-x just named differently with a trademark so only this company can include it because it's a trademark | 15:35 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: You mean things with enhanced serum of youngify and anti-wrinkelate? | 15:36 |
| diddledan | yup | 15:36 |
| daftykins | XD | 15:36 |
| diddledan | includes elastane etc | 15:37 |
| daftykins | and for some reason possesses the ability to say hello to Vera all the time, too | 15:37 |
| diddledan | for elastic skin | 15:37 |
| diddledan | vera's popular | 15:37 |
| daftykins | that she is | 15:37 |
| moreati | a̶b̶c̶d̶e̶f̶g̶h̶i̶j̶k̶l̶m̶n̶o̶p̶q̶r̶s̶t̶u̶v̶w̶x̶y̶z̶A̶B̶C̶D̶E̶F̶G̶H̶I̶J̶K̶L̶M̶O̶N̶P̶Q̶R̶S̶T̶U̶V̶W̶X̶Y̶Z̶ ̶ ̶0̶1̶2̶3̶4̶5̶6̶7̶8̶9̶ ̶)̶!̶"̶£̶$̶%̶^̶&̶*̶(̶ | 15:40 |
| moreati | sorry, I was using the text box to try something, didn't mean to press return | 15:40 |
| shauno | that's kinda funkylookin | 15:41 |
| moreati | playing with http://adamvarga.com/strike/ | 15:42 |
| daftykins | o0 | 15:43 |
| diddledan | I'm guessing my client isn't displaying it right | 15:46 |
| diddledan | I see: a_b_c..... | 15:46 |
| daftykins | ok here in irssi | 15:47 |
| shauno | it looks like strikethru on mine, but odd-looking because the strike is at a different height in each character | 15:47 |
| * penguin42 sees it as a cross-throughed text | 15:47 | |
| moreati | The underline equivalent doesn't render very well for me, on 15.04/Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underline#Unicode There are gaps, and additionally differing height in Firefox a̲b̲c̲d̲e̲f̲g̲h̲i̲j̲k̲l̲m̲n̲o̲p̲q̲r̲s̲t̲u̲v̲w̲x̲y̲z̲0̲1̲2̲3̲4̲5̲6̲7̲8̲9̲ | 15:48 |
| diddledan | I see that as underscored but only on the second letter through to a space at the end | 15:48 |
| diddledan | i.e. the first a isn't underscored but the rest is along with a trailing underscore | 15:48 |
| shauno | oh that's odd. I get gaps, and most where they should be, but the gap between p & q isn't lined | 15:48 |
| penguin42 | moreati: It's nutty what you can do with unicode ɥ̶b̶n̶o̶ɹ̶ɥ̶ʇ̶ ̶ʞ̶ɔ̶n̶ɹ̶ʇ̶s̶ ̶u̶ʍ̶o̶p̶ ̶ǝ̶p̶ı̶s̶d̶n̶ | 15:49 |
| moreati | In Pidgin on 15.04 the strikethrough is correct, in Chrome and Firefox the strikethrough starts at the second character | 15:49 |
| penguin42 | moreati: Yeh, I see the same | 15:49 |
| penguin42 | moreati: And it's right in konsole but not terminator | 15:49 |
| diddledan | again the strikethrough isn't shown on mine in favour of an _ between each character | 15:49 |
| diddledan | the letters themselves are correctly upside-down and back-to-front | 15:50 |
| moreati | correction: Pidgin has a gap in the strikethrough on wide characters e.g. w, M | 15:50 |
| daftykins | i like letters | 15:50 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 15:50 |
| daftykins | right, what to do today | 15:50 |
| moreati | those upside down characters are actually glyphs from other alphabets/writing systems | 15:50 |
| * diddledan gets an envelope and stuffs a piece of paper into it to send to daftykins | 15:51 | |
| daftykins | diddledan: lets have a postal chess game! | 15:51 |
| diddledan | eep | 15:51 |
| * popey puts his chess pieces in an envelope | 15:51 | |
| daftykins | it's ok i haven't played in years so i'm gonna be rubbish | 15:51 |
| daftykins | and even then you can probably count on one hand how many games i've played in my life :> | 15:52 |
| * diddledan fires-up a computer player to play on his behalf | 15:52 | |
| shauno | I get http://i.imgur.com/Ke2bRuI.png and http://i.imgur.com/JNJcHvB.png | 15:52 |
| daftykins | hrmm that's a nice readable font | 15:52 |
| shauno | the varying height of the strikethrough is a very strange effect | 15:52 |
| diddledan | shauno: you're just wonky | 15:53 |
| daftykins | popey: have you been enjoying GTA V on a new card, then? | 15:53 |
| popey | no, i have been enjoying it on my existing card | 15:54 |
| popey | after I asked about new cards here, nvidia gave me a driver update which included the automagic thing that sets the game up correctly | 15:54 |
| diddledan | put a new card on the card :-p | 15:54 |
| popey | it's now running flawlessly | 15:54 |
| diddledan | just make sure you're ready to be carded | 15:55 |
| daftykins | hrmm, my old Q6600 runs with it pretty poorly with my GTX 560 Ti so it can't look all that great? | 15:55 |
| daftykins | -with | 15:55 |
| popey | looks great to me | 15:55 |
| daftykins | that's the odd thing about graphical and audio quality though | 15:56 |
| diddledan | paraphrase: A paradigm shift is indistuingishable from a bad idea | 17:00 |
| penguin42 | what about a paradigm shift in bad ideas? | 17:41 |
| penguin42 | like the Orion space craft | 17:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | a paradigm shift in bad ideas... microsoft changing the ui to touch silliness version? :-) | 17:42 |
| diddledan | onions in space is always a bad idea | 17:45 |
| penguin42 | yes, it would be cruel to put one in someones helmet | 17:46 |
| zmoylan-pi | whereas in ants in their space suit is hilarious... :-) | 17:47 |
| ali1234 | moreati: firefox has terrible font rendering | 18:09 |
| moreati | ali1234: I saw similar rendering errors in Chrome and Firefox | 18:10 |
| moreati | *Chromium | 18:10 |
| ali1234 | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-45SP60v6kms/Uy7Cn_UeKAI/AAAAAAAACcw/DzaItkLgRSE/w426-h237/Screenshot%2B-%2B230314%2B-%2B11%253A16%253A35.png | 18:11 |
| ali1234 | dat h | 18:11 |
| ali1234 | h for high | 18:11 |
| ali1234 | i don't know what it is about text that is so hard | 18:12 |
| ali1234 | but it seems like nobody can do it right except apple and microsoft | 18:12 |
| ali1234 | and maybe gtk if you are lucky | 18:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | adobe? :-D | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | never had to deal with pdf i take it... | 18:20 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have... lots... never had much trouble once you've beaten them with a stick | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | challenge for you then. extract the text from this pdf and run it through google translate: http://scharmn.narod.ru/AVD/Gauss_15_2.pdf | 18:21 |
| zmoylan-pi | been a while... ::ponders:: | 18:22 |
| diddledan | I've heard pdf is a frankenstein format with bits from here and bits from there and barely hodgepodged together | 18:23 |
| zmoylan-pi | a lot of it's wackiness seems deliberate to prevent ebooks from been ripped to text | 18:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | i've used various wackiness to break them open. ghost script, text printer drivers, calibre | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | there is no drm here and the text is stored in the pdf as a series of codepoints | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | try "pdf2txt" for a start | 18:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | yeah, it means you can get tiny random chunks out of the pdf. i've seen that before too | 18:25 |
| shauno | hm, fun. osx falls apart on that one too | 18:26 |
| zmoylan-pi | calibre is random text... | 18:27 |
| shauno | mine doesn't look random. it looks like it's just missing all the cyrilic characters | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | there's some english on the last page, can't even copy that | 18:30 |
| shauno | oh, you're right. I'm just getting tables, figures and equations, not body text at all | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | pdf2txt outputs a lot of "(cid:27)(cid:25)(cid:17)(cid:26)" | 18:32 |
| shauno | and it's a complete dog to scroll, which is unusual on osx | 18:32 |
| shauno | (the display engine is pdf-based like MacOS was postscript-based, which is really weird to explain, but ends up with above-average pdf support for free) | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | presumably you can print super high res screenshots as well :) | 18:34 |
| shauno | heh, it seems not, they're just kicked out as png | 18:35 |
| shauno | I have no idea to what extent it's still true either, but originally quartz was described as a pdf version of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript | 18:36 |
| penguin42 | oh heck, not used that for a LONG time | 18:37 |
| shauno | both of which strike me as an interesting mix of voodoo, witchcraft and lies | 18:37 |
| * penguin42 remembers using Sun's NeWS X based display-postscript stuff | 18:38 | |
| * zmoylan-pi wonders if it's the mixed character sets that's making the normal tools misbehave | 18:39 | |
| shauno | I'm not sure they're stored as characters at all | 18:42 |
| zmoylan-pi | i do have a few d&d pdfs that store everything as images. they're... fun... :-) | 18:42 |
| shauno | the characters don't hint properly if I scale off 100% | 18:44 |
| shauno | like http://i.imgur.com/FXd2DMh.png | 18:45 |
| shauno | α1 etc I can copy fine, and they render properly. the body text blurs, and shouldn't | 18:46 |
| ali1234 | looks like each glyph is stored as one bitmap and then indexed | 18:47 |
| shauno | hm. so if you really wanted to, you could probably rip it out with a lookup table | 18:48 |
| shauno | but if you're just trying to prove that pdf are perfectly capable of being a royal pain in the familyfriendly, it's surplus to requirement | 18:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | bizarre, i got caibre to convert to epub instead of text and while first page looks good it goes rapidly downhill | 18:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | if i had to get them as useable text with a 14page document it might be faster/less effort just to retype them. not easy if you don't speak the language but not impossible. if they're needed by a group you can split the work in such a way there's overlap to ensure accuracy | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | could just OCR it | 18:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | that too | 18:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | but i've used ocr and prefer a human making mistakes over ocr making mistakes. | 18:55 |
| penguin42 | very different type of mistakes | 19:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | and i found it easier to spot the human mistakes as i made the same ones myself.. | 19:01 |
| shauno | I dunno. in cyrillic, "the same ones myself" would be everything | 19:06 |
| daftykins | hrmm debating something like this for my friends art gallery | 19:10 |
| daftykins | http://www.amazon.co.uk/ANNKE-Weatherproof-Megapixels-Hi-Resolution-Vandalproof/dp/B00NZWIZYS/ | 19:10 |
| daftykins | maplins selection seem to be a lot more expensive :D | 19:10 |
| daftykins | and it looks like if they even ship here, they won't remove VAT :P | 19:10 |
| penguin42 | maplins more expensive? <shock> | 19:11 |
| daftykins | :D | 19:13 |
| daftykins | you have to give me some lee-way there, we don't have them locally and i've only used them once to buy some fuses during Uni :P | 19:14 |
| diddledan | OCR leads to weirdness | 19:29 |
| diddledan | e.g an i transferred as an l | 19:29 |
| diddledan | which makes it particularly difficult to work out swedish place names when they're transcribed via OCR | 19:29 |
| diddledan | (I'm referring to the amazon kindle version of the girl with the dragon tats) | 19:30 |
| diddledan | that's an A not an I | 19:30 |
| diddledan | although dragon tats with an I would be interesting | 19:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | spotting numbers amongst the text was always my favourite way to spot ocred text :-) | 19:34 |
| daftykins | tsk tsk naughty diddledan | 19:35 |
| daftykins | brings a whole new meaning to "Here be Dragons" | 19:35 |
| diddledan | lol | 19:36 |
| diddledan | don't look them in the eye | 19:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's the way it follows you around the room... :-P | 19:36 |
| diddledan | don't you love how folk from around the indian region refer to GB as Gee-Bees rather than Gig or Gigs or Gigabytes | 19:44 |
| diddledan | "I've got 500 Gee-Bees" | 19:44 |
| diddledan | oh gee, bees! | 19:44 |
| diddledan | don't you hate bees | 19:44 |
| diddledan | they're fine when they're pollinating elsewhere but come near me and I run a mile | 19:45 |
| diddledan | they shouldn't pollinate in public anyway | 19:45 |
| diddledan | now, see, you all bring my randomness out if you stop talking because I just natter away | 19:46 |
| diddledan | if you don't want me to be crazy, don't stop talking! | 19:47 |
| daftykins | so rare anyone gets any notation correct :( | 19:47 |
| diddledan | now as we refer to GB as "Gigs" does that mean TB is Tigs? | 19:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | nah, in honour of the times we live in they are now terror bites | 19:48 |
| diddledan | or Ters? | 19:48 |
| diddledan | not to be confused with T'sers as in "It's Hers" | 19:49 |
| foobarry | any russian speakers in here tonight? | 20:30 |
| diddledan | niet | 20:30 |
| foobarry | trying to deipher a label | 20:31 |
| diddledan | does it have fake letters on it? | 20:31 |
| daftykins | #ubuntu-ru ? :) | 20:31 |
| foobarry | but does ubuntu-ru speak english? | 20:32 |
| diddledan | the russians pretend to have a written language but I think they just make stuff up as they go along | 20:32 |
| foobarry | http://i.imgur.com/6Btt40O.jpg | 20:32 |
| diddledan | aah that's easy. 56 in russian is 56 in english too | 20:33 |
| daftykins | =] | 20:33 |
| foobarry | mapps seems to be in there | 20:33 |
| daftykins | o0 | 20:34 |
| diddledan | mapps is a weird one - he gallivants all over the place :-p | 20:34 |
| foobarry | must be vodka related | 20:34 |
| diddledan | I recall he disappeared to russia a few months ago | 20:34 |
| diddledan | can't remember whether that was before or after he moved to the rock | 20:34 |
| diddledan | (alcatraz? :-p) | 20:35 |
| foobarry | gib | 20:35 |
| daftykins | he went to the Ukraine i thought | 20:36 |
| diddledan | oh, close | 20:36 |
| diddledan | former USSR at least | 20:37 |
| foobarry | i got this hat in 1990 in gum dept store | 20:37 |
| daftykins | they had hats back then? | 20:38 |
| diddledan | when were hats invented anywho? | 20:40 |
| diddledan | new-fangled things for foobarry ? | 20:41 |
| diddledan | :-p | 20:41 |
| foobarry | a russian style hat | 20:42 |
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| mapps | secrets and lies is a cool show | 22:28 |
| diddledan | itunes yey | 23:14 |
| diddledan | ex machina just appeared in my library | 23:14 |
| daftykins | ooh do tell me how it is | 23:14 |
| daftykins | oh wait you did already didn't you 0o | 23:14 |
| daftykins | or am imagining things again | 23:14 |
| diddledan | no methinks that was smth else | 23:14 |
| diddledan | I do recall you querying something a while back but I can't remember which film it was | 23:15 |
| daftykins | huzzah! a shared conversation neither of us recalls | 23:16 |
| daftykins | :D | 23:16 |
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