[00:07] are you saying that advertising something as a reluctance motor might not sound that good? [00:13] XD makes it sound like it doesn't want to be cleaning for you [00:13] instead it wants to be free, where all the motors spin for nobody but themselves === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [05:10] hi all === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:24] morning boys and girls. [08:29] morning [08:32] mornind dutchie [14:34] howdo [14:35] sorry, daftykins, I went to bed just after my comment last night so you may have felt ignored :-/ [14:36] so a digital motor is actually a reluctance motor, but what's the v6 all about? [14:36] it's got 6 cylindars in a V formation? [14:37] like my ca? [14:37] car* [14:37] do I need to feed it petroleum? [14:42] * penguin42 assumes it's the one after v5 [14:42] https://twitter.com/ownClouders/status/598741430333480960 look ma I'm famous [14:44] \o/ [14:44] * diddledan will watch that in a bit [14:44] Azelphur: Excellent [14:45] :) [14:45] yay [14:45] currently watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B392kwHg_Rs a discussion starter presentation about drupal.org's workflow for contributions [15:00] * penguin42 wishes he understood why it cost ~£7M to build a 400m chunk of train track [15:04] 400metres, for 7M? that's an impressive overspend [15:06] diddledan: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-15519605 [15:07] (It just opened) [15:09] looking at the pictures it looks single track at that [15:32] diddledan: hehe np, yeah i just assumed the 6th version - though surely you'd not want that in marketing 'cause it sounds like it took that many tries to get it right [15:33] lol [15:33] their advert says "only the handheld dyson uses a vee six digital motor" [15:34] it's like women's beauty products containing random marketing invented names [15:35] it's probably exactly the same as competitor-x just named differently with a trademark so only this company can include it because it's a trademark [15:36] diddledan: You mean things with enhanced serum of youngify and anti-wrinkelate? [15:36] yup [15:36] XD [15:37] includes elastane etc [15:37] and for some reason possesses the ability to say hello to Vera all the time, too [15:37] for elastic skin [15:37] vera's popular [15:37] that she is [15:40] a̶b̶c̶d̶e̶f̶g̶h̶i̶j̶k̶l̶m̶n̶o̶p̶q̶r̶s̶t̶u̶v̶w̶x̶y̶z̶A̶B̶C̶D̶E̶F̶G̶H̶I̶J̶K̶L̶M̶O̶N̶P̶Q̶R̶S̶T̶U̶V̶W̶X̶Y̶Z̶ ̶ ̶0̶1̶2̶3̶4̶5̶6̶7̶8̶9̶ ̶)̶!̶"̶£̶$̶%̶^̶&̶*̶(̶ [15:40] sorry, I was using the text box to try something, didn't mean to press return [15:41] that's kinda funkylookin [15:42] playing with http://adamvarga.com/strike/ [15:43] o0 [15:46] I'm guessing my client isn't displaying it right [15:46] I see: a_b_c..... [15:47] ok here in irssi [15:47] it looks like strikethru on mine, but odd-looking because the strike is at a different height in each character [15:47] * penguin42 sees it as a cross-throughed text [15:48] The underline equivalent doesn't render very well for me, on 15.04/Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underline#Unicode There are gaps, and additionally differing height in Firefox a̲b̲c̲d̲e̲f̲g̲h̲i̲j̲k̲l̲m̲n̲o̲p̲q̲r̲s̲t̲u̲v̲w̲x̲y̲z̲0̲1̲2̲3̲4̲5̲6̲7̲8̲9̲ [15:48] I see that as underscored but only on the second letter through to a space at the end [15:48] i.e. the first a isn't underscored but the rest is along with a trailing underscore [15:48] oh that's odd. I get gaps, and most where they should be, but the gap between p & q isn't lined [15:49] moreati: It's nutty what you can do with unicode ɥ̶b̶n̶o̶ɹ̶ɥ̶ʇ̶ ̶ʞ̶ɔ̶n̶ɹ̶ʇ̶s̶ ̶u̶ʍ̶o̶p̶ ̶ǝ̶p̶ı̶s̶d̶n̶ [15:49] In Pidgin on 15.04 the strikethrough is correct, in Chrome and Firefox the strikethrough starts at the second character [15:49] moreati: Yeh, I see the same [15:49] moreati: And it's right in konsole but not terminator [15:49] again the strikethrough isn't shown on mine in favour of an _ between each character [15:50] the letters themselves are correctly upside-down and back-to-front [15:50] correction: Pidgin has a gap in the strikethrough on wide characters e.g. w, M [15:50] i like letters [15:50] ^_^ [15:50] right, what to do today [15:50] those upside down characters are actually glyphs from other alphabets/writing systems [15:51] * diddledan gets an envelope and stuffs a piece of paper into it to send to daftykins [15:51] diddledan: lets have a postal chess game! [15:51] eep [15:51] * popey puts his chess pieces in an envelope [15:51] it's ok i haven't played in years so i'm gonna be rubbish [15:52] and even then you can probably count on one hand how many games i've played in my life :> [15:52] * diddledan fires-up a computer player to play on his behalf [15:52] I get http://i.imgur.com/Ke2bRuI.png and http://i.imgur.com/JNJcHvB.png [15:52] hrmm that's a nice readable font [15:52] the varying height of the strikethrough is a very strange effect [15:53] shauno: you're just wonky [15:53] popey: have you been enjoying GTA V on a new card, then? [15:54] no, i have been enjoying it on my existing card [15:54] after I asked about new cards here, nvidia gave me a driver update which included the automagic thing that sets the game up correctly [15:54] put a new card on the card :-p [15:54] it's now running flawlessly [15:55] just make sure you're ready to be carded [15:55] hrmm, my old Q6600 runs with it pretty poorly with my GTX 560 Ti so it can't look all that great? [15:55] -with [15:55] looks great to me [15:56] that's the odd thing about graphical and audio quality though [17:00] paraphrase: A paradigm shift is indistuingishable from a bad idea [17:41] what about a paradigm shift in bad ideas? [17:41] like the Orion space craft [17:42] a paradigm shift in bad ideas... microsoft changing the ui to touch silliness version? :-) [17:45] onions in space is always a bad idea [17:46] yes, it would be cruel to put one in someones helmet [17:47] whereas in ants in their space suit is hilarious... :-) [18:09] moreati: firefox has terrible font rendering [18:10] ali1234: I saw similar rendering errors in Chrome and Firefox [18:10] *Chromium [18:11] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-45SP60v6kms/Uy7Cn_UeKAI/AAAAAAAACcw/DzaItkLgRSE/w426-h237/Screenshot%2B-%2B230314%2B-%2B11%253A16%253A35.png [18:11] dat h [18:11] h for high [18:12] i don't know what it is about text that is so hard [18:12] but it seems like nobody can do it right except apple and microsoft [18:13] and maybe gtk if you are lucky [18:19] adobe? :-D [18:20] never had to deal with pdf i take it... [18:21] i have... lots... never had much trouble once you've beaten them with a stick [18:21] challenge for you then. extract the text from this pdf and run it through google translate: http://scharmn.narod.ru/AVD/Gauss_15_2.pdf [18:22] been a while... ::ponders:: [18:23] I've heard pdf is a frankenstein format with bits from here and bits from there and barely hodgepodged together [18:24] a lot of it's wackiness seems deliberate to prevent ebooks from been ripped to text [18:24] i've used various wackiness to break them open. ghost script, text printer drivers, calibre [18:25] there is no drm here and the text is stored in the pdf as a series of codepoints [18:25] try "pdf2txt" for a start [18:25] yeah, it means you can get tiny random chunks out of the pdf. i've seen that before too [18:26] hm, fun. osx falls apart on that one too [18:27] calibre is random text... [18:29] mine doesn't look random. it looks like it's just missing all the cyrilic characters [18:30] there's some english on the last page, can't even copy that [18:31] oh, you're right. I'm just getting tables, figures and equations, not body text at all [18:32] pdf2txt outputs a lot of "(cid:27)(cid:25)(cid:17)(cid:26)" [18:32] and it's a complete dog to scroll, which is unusual on osx [18:34] (the display engine is pdf-based like MacOS was postscript-based, which is really weird to explain, but ends up with above-average pdf support for free) [18:34] presumably you can print super high res screenshots as well :) [18:35] heh, it seems not, they're just kicked out as png [18:36] I have no idea to what extent it's still true either, but originally quartz was described as a pdf version of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_PostScript [18:37] oh heck, not used that for a LONG time [18:37] both of which strike me as an interesting mix of voodoo, witchcraft and lies [18:38] * penguin42 remembers using Sun's NeWS X based display-postscript stuff [18:39] * zmoylan-pi wonders if it's the mixed character sets that's making the normal tools misbehave [18:42] I'm not sure they're stored as characters at all [18:42] i do have a few d&d pdfs that store everything as images. they're... fun... :-) [18:44] the characters don't hint properly if I scale off 100% [18:45] like http://i.imgur.com/FXd2DMh.png [18:46] α1 etc I can copy fine, and they render properly. the body text blurs, and shouldn't [18:47] looks like each glyph is stored as one bitmap and then indexed [18:48] hm. so if you really wanted to, you could probably rip it out with a lookup table [18:48] but if you're just trying to prove that pdf are perfectly capable of being a royal pain in the familyfriendly, it's surplus to requirement [18:50] bizarre, i got caibre to convert to epub instead of text and while first page looks good it goes rapidly downhill [18:54] if i had to get them as useable text with a 14page document it might be faster/less effort just to retype them. not easy if you don't speak the language but not impossible. if they're needed by a group you can split the work in such a way there's overlap to ensure accuracy [18:54] could just OCR it [18:54] that too [18:55] but i've used ocr and prefer a human making mistakes over ocr making mistakes. [19:00] very different type of mistakes [19:01] and i found it easier to spot the human mistakes as i made the same ones myself.. [19:06] I dunno. in cyrillic, "the same ones myself" would be everything [19:10] hrmm debating something like this for my friends art gallery [19:10] http://www.amazon.co.uk/ANNKE-Weatherproof-Megapixels-Hi-Resolution-Vandalproof/dp/B00NZWIZYS/ [19:10] maplins selection seem to be a lot more expensive :D [19:10] and it looks like if they even ship here, they won't remove VAT :P [19:11] maplins more expensive? [19:13] :D [19:14] you have to give me some lee-way there, we don't have them locally and i've only used them once to buy some fuses during Uni :P [19:29] OCR leads to weirdness [19:29] e.g an i transferred as an l [19:29] which makes it particularly difficult to work out swedish place names when they're transcribed via OCR [19:30] (I'm referring to the amazon kindle version of the girl with the dragon tats) [19:30] that's an A not an I [19:30] although dragon tats with an I would be interesting [19:34] spotting numbers amongst the text was always my favourite way to spot ocred text :-) [19:35] tsk tsk naughty diddledan [19:35] brings a whole new meaning to "Here be Dragons" [19:36] lol [19:36] don't look them in the eye [19:36] it's the way it follows you around the room... :-P [19:44] don't you love how folk from around the indian region refer to GB as Gee-Bees rather than Gig or Gigs or Gigabytes [19:44] "I've got 500 Gee-Bees" [19:44] oh gee, bees! [19:44] don't you hate bees [19:45] they're fine when they're pollinating elsewhere but come near me and I run a mile [19:45] they shouldn't pollinate in public anyway [19:46] now, see, you all bring my randomness out if you stop talking because I just natter away [19:47] if you don't want me to be crazy, don't stop talking! [19:47] so rare anyone gets any notation correct :( [19:48] now as we refer to GB as "Gigs" does that mean TB is Tigs? [19:48] nah, in honour of the times we live in they are now terror bites [19:48] or Ters? [19:49] not to be confused with T'sers as in "It's Hers" [20:30] any russian speakers in here tonight? [20:30] niet [20:31] trying to deipher a label [20:31] does it have fake letters on it? [20:31] #ubuntu-ru ? :) [20:32] but does ubuntu-ru speak english? [20:32] the russians pretend to have a written language but I think they just make stuff up as they go along [20:32] http://i.imgur.com/6Btt40O.jpg [20:33] aah that's easy. 56 in russian is 56 in english too [20:33] =] [20:33] mapps seems to be in there [20:34] o0 [20:34] mapps is a weird one - he gallivants all over the place :-p [20:34] must be vodka related [20:34] I recall he disappeared to russia a few months ago [20:34] can't remember whether that was before or after he moved to the rock [20:35] (alcatraz? :-p) [20:35] gib [20:36] he went to the Ukraine i thought [20:36] oh, close [20:37] former USSR at least [20:37] i got this hat in 1990 in gum dept store [20:38] they had hats back then? [20:40] when were hats invented anywho? [20:41] new-fangled things for foobarry ? [20:41] :-p [20:42] a russian style hat === m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [22:28] secrets and lies is a cool show [23:14] itunes yey [23:14] ex machina just appeared in my library [23:14] ooh do tell me how it is [23:14] oh wait you did already didn't you 0o [23:14] or am imagining things again [23:14] no methinks that was smth else [23:15] I do recall you querying something a while back but I can't remember which film it was [23:16] huzzah! a shared conversation neither of us recalls [23:16] :D